Here's a questions. Say I answered no to all the above poll questions. So more or less a bare bones complete set with no "variants". Just one of each licensed title. Where does that leave me? How many games?
The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
Here's a questions. Say I answered no to all the above poll questions. So more or less a bare bones complete set with no "variants". Just one of each licensed title. Where does that leave me? How many games?
The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
THe number is around 707 or 705 if you don't count miracle piano or OJ
Take a look and subtract what you dont want to get a number but it is pretty barebones, but like I said does hav MP and OJ, I really think you would be safe at 705 or 707
Here's a questions. Say I answered no to all the above poll questions. So more or less a bare bones complete set with no "variants". Just one of each licensed title. Where does that leave me? How many games?
The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
THe number is around 707 or 705 if you don't count miracle piano or OJ
Take a look and subtract what you dont want to get a number but it is pretty barebones, but like I said does hav MP and OJ, I really think you would be safe at 705 or 707
Thanks for that list Johnny. I'm pretty new to Genesis collecting. Atleast as far as sets go. It did seem somewhat less cut and dry when compared to something like a SNES set. There does seem to be lots of interesting variants and subsets to a Genesis collection though.
Okay so for those of you that are using the Genesis collection tool here on Sega Age, when you begin you'll have 727 games I think. To get down to an appropriate list you'll need to delete several:
The Sega Classics games (this also includes Mike Ditka Power Football)
Mega Hit games (I think there are only 2 in the database)
Beggar Prince
Nightmare Circus
Sonic the Hedgehog (NFR)
Waterworld
X-Band Modem
Miracle Piano (I personally deleted it, since Outback Joey wasn't in the database to begin with) - if it comes to it I'll know which ones I need
Here is an example of the 705 that constitute a complete set (+2 if you count OJ and MP)
I've got 706 non-variant listings on my personal list including Miracle Piano and Outback Joey, but not the SFT games. But there's 711 listings in the SA db. I know the X-Band modem is there when it shouldn't be, which means 4 more to find there for me (or I fucked up manually inputting the numbers which is also likely). and shit johnny says 707 or 705. yup this is annoying ^_^
711 - X-Band = 710 - 3 SFT games = 707 - Sonic 1 NFR that I missed relabeling = 706 + OJ that's not showing up = 707 and fml
You must have set that up a while ago if you had to delete classics and what not. They're not there anymore as of like 2 weeks ago when I went through the whole thing. Anyone doing this now would just have to remove the X-Band Modem (which I'll bug Dain about fixing since I can't), Miracle Piano if they wish and the SFT games(Beggar Prince, Legend of Wukong, Star Odyssey) if they wish to get down to the magical 705.
This is golden information right here - I finally decided last night that I'm going to sell off my Classics, Mega Hits, and NFRs. I really don't have the extra room, and as long as I have one version of each game to play, I'm happy with the state of the collection. I think I'm also going to move home brews (Pier Solar, SFT games) and repros to a separate list to keep things clean.
This is golden information right here - I finally decided last night that I'm going to sell off my Classics, Mega Hits, and NFRs. I really don't have the extra room, and as long as I have one version of each game to play, I'm happy with the state of the collection. I think I'm also going to move home brews (Pier Solar, SFT games) and repros to a separate list to keep things clean.
Yeah for me, I've removed Classics, Mega Hits, and NFRs from the "list" but I still plan to collect them all. Same goes for Pier Solar, SFT games, etc - but with those I easily know in my head whether I have it or not, so there's no reason to muddle up the list. Now I look at my list and its very clear how many more games I need, what I 'm missing etc.
I don't think variants matter, and voted accordingly (except when I goofed on one or two of the votes).
But I figured separate releases should count. For those of you saying that Piano thing and Outback Joey shouldn't count, why do you think that? I figured since they're manufactured releases made during the lifespan of the system they would count, but I'm not familiar with either one. Is there some reason why they shouldn't?
I don't think variants matter, and voted accordingly (except when I goofed on one or two of the votes).
But I figured separate releases should count. For those of you saying that Piano thing and Outback Joey shouldn't count, why do you think that? I figured since they're manufactured releases made during the lifespan of the system they would count, but I'm not familiar with either one. Is there some reason why they shouldn't?
One reason to exclude them would be that (to my knowledge) neither has a traditional box. The cartridge for each was included inside a larger box, but not in a normal case inside that bigger box. From my stand point if I have all the games lined up on the shelf that had an original box I'll be satisfied.
Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego and Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego both have those original boxes inside of the big box with encyclopedia/dictionary, and although I have those big box versions, I don't consider the big box versions themselves essential to a set. I guess you could then question Lethal Enforcers and Wacky Worlds Creative Studio since they also don't have traditional boxes, but they're easily obtainable so why not?
Either way, since I am focusing on the US Genesis collection, I think I would try to get Outback Joey and Miracle Piano, but I don't need them on a list. I see the list as a great way to keep track of which games I still need to buy. I might not remember if I have Chavez II, but wihout even thinking I know I don't have either Miracle Piano Outback Joey. I would consider my set complete without them, but that doesn't mean I don't want them.
Pretty sure I hit that nail on the head on page 1. You could question Lethal Enforcers and Wacky Worlds, but nobody ever does because they are, as you said, easily attainable. It's the genesis version of the Stadium Events debate even though I don't think it should be a debate at all when considering an objective list of titles released for a console. Not gonna hold a gun to your head and force you to buy one to prove your worth though. I'm actually hoping to find a mumified Segata Sanshiro in the wild so I can get that 5 of a kind tier collection some day.
I would like to see all known games in the database, I can't make separate subsets without them in there. With the database being customizable any collector can customize their list to their liking, but not having them in there makes it impossible track my subsets here on the SA database. I have to keep a separate document on my cell phone to track all the variants. If I could keep track of everything here in one place that would be awesome. I really want to know how many Genesis games exists including all major variants (Mega Hit, Classic, Canadian, NFR, KA ESRB and Cardboard) is this number close to a thousand?
They weren't until very recently. Actually the only other variants on your list that will show up under that major variant heading would be the ESRB rereleases. I've only got Sonic Spinball on there for now because it's the only one I own. The average db search will yield results for Licensed and Unlicensed games from the US region. If you want to find Canadian variants and NFRs you'll have to do an advanced search.
Wow I didn't know they started putting CB variants in the database. Im glad all that work is going somewhere. I can see the debate for OJ I don't agree but of course I am biased. The debate on miracle piano though is pretty flimsy. Some people look at it an say hey it's not a game its an educational tool...well DK math is an education tool, so is Comptons En, and what about Mario Paint? IF you want to alter all your lists to not include anything that is not purely a game then so be it.
Another note about the collection tool...best just to wait until it get's a bit more refined. Stick to google docs and excel spreadsheets. Better yet buy a collection tool.
If by they you mean me. Happy I saw that thread on NA where Dain said we need more people working on the db. I'm not even sure why they weren't put there in the first place, but I wasn't around for that dance. Seems like less work than coding a website and I really REALLY enjoy having to look at only one source of information.
@DB I guess I do mean you then. The reason they weren't addded to begin with is that their wasn't a list of all the CB games. With the help of several others I spent a few months scouring the internet and ebay finding all possible cardboard titles and their variations. It was a long process and I am sure their are a few variants I have missed. Several times I had people tell me Game X didn't exist in cardboard, only for me to find it a month or two later.
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
T.A.P. has spoken! Let it be so.
then what umbrella would it fit under? it's a video game licensed by sega, with the game in genesis cart, that is played on a sega genesis (that uses a different shell).
if you don't see it as part of the genesis set, i'm assuming you see it as a completely different stand alone system then?
edit: i can see that argument. it's similar to how you can play sega cd games or 32x games on the genesis. you need a special system.
edit edit: i take it back. the game can be booted up on a normal genesis. sega cd games and 32x can't do that. therefore, i can't see the argument.
for me, though, the game itself is identical to other genesis carts, so if i were going for a full set i would no doubt include this.
It will boot up, but can you actually play it on a standard Genesis? (I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
It will boot up, but can you actually play it on a standard Genesis? (I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
Yes, OBJ can be booted up on any genesis. There is a video of this on YouTube. If I remember correctly, the guts of the OBJ system are identical to a model 1 genesis. I think you need the special OBJ case to be able to use the peripherals. This is all from memory as I don't own either the OBJ cart or system, so my facts may be slightly wrong.
The CD analogy is good, but CDs are a universal media used across a plethora of electronically devices. There is ony one system that allows the insertion and boot up of a sega genesis cart.
And based on your logic, I'm guessing you wouldn't count the menacer as part of the genesis library because you need the menacer to play the cart.
I was gonna link that yesterday, but they don't actually show the game playing at all. Just that it boots which is kinda what he's saying. I don't have the damn thing either, but if I do somehow obtain one, I promise to youtube the fuck out of it.
It will boot up, but can you actually play it on a standard Genesis? (I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
Yes, OBJ can be booted up on any genesis. There is a video of this on YouTube. If I remember correctly, the guts of the OBJ system are identical to a model 1 genesis. I think you need the special OBJ case to be able to use the peripherals. This is all from memory as I don't own either the OBJ cart or system, so my facts may be slightly wrong.
The CD analogy is good, but CDs are a universal media used across a plethora of electronically devices. There is ony one system that allows the insertion and boot up of a sega genesis cart.
And based on your logic, I'm guessing you wouldn't count the menacer as part of the genesis library because you need the menacer to play the cart.
No, the Menacer counts. The Menacer, just like the Justifier or the Mega Mouse, is a peripheral designed for and compatible with a standard Genesis. You can play your Menacer 6-Pack cartridge on a standard Genesis and access all of its functions as long as you have the proper peripheral.
I don't understand why you are having such a hard time understanding my opinion on this subject. My whole position on the matter is pretty basic and can be boiled down to one question; "Can I play it on my Genesis?"
If the all of the OBJ peripherals will work with a standard Genesis, then it should count too, but if you are required to use the Heartbeat Trainer for the game to function properly (as in to fully play it, not just boot it up or access the start menu) then I don't think it should count.
Can I sit down, put OBJ in my Genesis access all of its functionality and play it start to finish as intended (assuming I have the peripherals plugged into my system)? If the answer is 'Yes,' then it's a Genesis game. If the answer is 'No, you need to play it on the Hearbeat Trainer,' then it's a Heartbeat Trainer game.
I think it depends on goal. If it is to own a copy of every title released it would be 1 copy of each title no matter what variant.
I think if you want a complete US licensed set, that would probably include variants. My goal is one copy of of every game, but I actively pursue the cardboard variants on the side. Of course, I limit my game budget more now so it's going to take a lot longer.
Outback Joey boots and plays on an unmodified Genesis just fine. There have been rumors for years that you need the "modified" Genny it came with, but that originated from collectors that never had OJ in their collection to begin with. Other than the outside shell, nothing had been modified within the OJ Genesis. The "Heartbeat Trainer" is just a hairy Genesis...
You do need to use the peripherals that come with it, but that shouldn't make a difference. The game was also sold at retail and was not a contest cart or anything like that. There's no reason not to count it unless you're fishing for excuses to not pony up the money required to add it to your collection.
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
An example of how misinformation can be spread...
What an absolutely ludicrous rumor that you'd need a modified system to play this. I had never even heard of that rumor until I just read this.
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The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
Originally posted by: NintendoTwizer
Here's a questions. Say I answered no to all the above poll questions. So more or less a bare bones complete set with no "variants". Just one of each licensed title. Where does that leave me? How many games?
The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
THe number is around 707 or 705 if you don't count miracle piano or OJ
This is my basic list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akd9XlG2YAYDdGlycHg2dHJvckNCcEtmRDBNZUdVOVE#gid=4
Take a look and subtract what you dont want to get a number but it is pretty barebones, but like I said does hav MP and OJ, I really think you would be safe at 705 or 707
Originally posted by: Johnny
Originally posted by: NintendoTwizer
Here's a questions. Say I answered no to all the above poll questions. So more or less a bare bones complete set with no "variants". Just one of each licensed title. Where does that leave me? How many games?
The data base list 725 games, but I did notice that a few were "Mega Hit" or "Classic Series" entries. So what is the generally accepted number for licensed Genesis games not counting anything that could be considered a variant?
THe number is around 707 or 705 if you don't count miracle piano or OJ
This is my basic list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akd9XlG2YA...
Take a look and subtract what you dont want to get a number but it is pretty barebones, but like I said does hav MP and OJ, I really think you would be safe at 705 or 707
Thanks for that list Johnny. I'm pretty new to Genesis collecting. Atleast as far as sets go. It did seem somewhat less cut and dry when compared to something like a SNES set. There does seem to be lots of interesting variants and subsets to a Genesis collection though.
The Sega Classics games (this also includes Mike Ditka Power Football)
Mega Hit games (I think there are only 2 in the database)
Beggar Prince
Nightmare Circus
Sonic the Hedgehog (NFR)
Waterworld
X-Band Modem
Miracle Piano (I personally deleted it, since Outback Joey wasn't in the database to begin with) - if it comes to it I'll know which ones I need
Here is an example of the 705 that constitute a complete set (+2 if you count OJ and MP)
http://www.segaage.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Collection.View&clId=63450
711 - X-Band = 710 - 3 SFT games = 707 - Sonic 1 NFR that I missed relabeling = 706 + OJ that's not showing up = 707 and fml
You must have set that up a while ago if you had to delete classics and what not. They're not there anymore as of like 2 weeks ago when I went through the whole thing. Anyone doing this now would just have to remove the X-Band Modem (which I'll bug Dain about fixing since I can't), Miracle Piano if they wish and the SFT games(Beggar Prince, Legend of Wukong, Star Odyssey) if they wish to get down to the magical 705.
OJ has always been there under Unclassified so it doesn't show up in a standard search. http://www.segaage.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Element.View&egID=78521&lgID=78524&sID=78610
Here is my missing game! Irony of course is that I own it... http://www.segaage.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Element.View&pId=140&egID=64617&lgID=64617&sID=64617
Originally posted by: maelwys
This is golden information right here - I finally decided last night that I'm going to sell off my Classics, Mega Hits, and NFRs. I really don't have the extra room, and as long as I have one version of each game to play, I'm happy with the state of the collection. I think I'm also going to move home brews (Pier Solar, SFT games) and repros to a separate list to keep things clean.
Yeah for me, I've removed Classics, Mega Hits, and NFRs from the "list" but I still plan to collect them all. Same goes for Pier Solar, SFT games, etc - but with those I easily know in my head whether I have it or not, so there's no reason to muddle up the list. Now I look at my list and its very clear how many more games I need, what I 'm missing etc.
But I figured separate releases should count. For those of you saying that Piano thing and Outback Joey shouldn't count, why do you think that? I figured since they're manufactured releases made during the lifespan of the system they would count, but I'm not familiar with either one. Is there some reason why they shouldn't?
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
I don't think variants matter, and voted accordingly (except when I goofed on one or two of the votes).
But I figured separate releases should count. For those of you saying that Piano thing and Outback Joey shouldn't count, why do you think that? I figured since they're manufactured releases made during the lifespan of the system they would count, but I'm not familiar with either one. Is there some reason why they shouldn't?
One reason to exclude them would be that (to my knowledge) neither has a traditional box. The cartridge for each was included inside a larger box, but not in a normal case inside that bigger box. From my stand point if I have all the games lined up on the shelf that had an original box I'll be satisfied.
Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego and Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego both have those original boxes inside of the big box with encyclopedia/dictionary, and although I have those big box versions, I don't consider the big box versions themselves essential to a set. I guess you could then question Lethal Enforcers and Wacky Worlds Creative Studio since they also don't have traditional boxes, but they're easily obtainable so why not?
Either way, since I am focusing on the US Genesis collection, I think I would try to get Outback Joey and Miracle Piano, but I don't need them on a list. I see the list as a great way to keep track of which games I still need to buy. I might not remember if I have Chavez II, but wihout even thinking I know I don't have either Miracle Piano Outback Joey. I would consider my set complete without them, but that doesn't mean I don't want them.
For whatever reason it's a huge pain in the ass to try and add them to the collection tool. Like they won't get added at all kinda pain in the ass.
Originally posted by: dballin
I'm working on it. The Mega Hits, Sega Classics, VGC, and cardboard subsets are all in there. http://www.segaage.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Search.Resu... 104 so far. I don't imagine we're going to get close to 1000 total.
For whatever reason it's a huge pain in the ass to try and add them to the collection tool. Like they won't get added at all kinda pain in the ass.
Wow that's awesome! I had no idea those variants we're already in there. I'm going to work on creating my subsets this weekend, thanks!!
Another note about the collection tool...best just to wait until it get's a bit more refined. Stick to google docs and excel spreadsheets. Better yet buy a collection tool.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
T.A.P. has spoken! Let it be so.
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
T.A.P. has spoken! Let it be so.
then what umbrella would it fit under? it's a video game licensed by sega, with the game in genesis cart, that is played on a sega genesis (that uses a different shell).
if you don't see it as part of the genesis set, i'm assuming you see it as a completely different stand alone system then?
edit: i can see that argument. it's similar to how you can play sega cd games or 32x games on the genesis. you need a special system.
edit edit: i take it back. the game can be booted up on a normal genesis. sega cd games and 32x can't do that. therefore, i can't see the argument.
for me, though, the game itself is identical to other genesis carts, so if i were going for a full set i would no doubt include this.
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
It will boot up, but can you actually play it on a standard Genesis? (I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
Yes, OBJ can be booted up on any genesis. There is a video of this on YouTube. If I remember correctly, the guts of the OBJ system are identical to a model 1 genesis. I think you need the special OBJ case to be able to use the peripherals. This is all from memory as I don't own either the OBJ cart or system, so my facts may be slightly wrong.
The CD analogy is good, but CDs are a universal media used across a plethora of electronically devices. There is ony one system that allows the insertion and boot up of a sega genesis cart.
And based on your logic, I'm guessing you wouldn't count the menacer as part of the genesis library because you need the menacer to play the cart.
Here is the video:
by our very own Nolan bros.
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Originally posted by: final fight cd
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
It will boot up, but can you actually play it on a standard Genesis? (I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
From the pictures of the thing, it looks like you need to have all those other electrodes/heart monitors/whatever plugged into the system for it to work properly. If you can't plug them into a standard Genesis, does that mean you can't play the game? (Again, not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know.)
Assuming the game cannot be played on a standard Genesis, I would say it shouldn't count.
The closest analogy I can think of is when you put a video game CD into a system it isn't intended for (like a PC game into a Sega Saturn). You may be able to access some of the data from it (like the sound files), but you can't actually play it as intended. You can put your Outback Joey cart into a standard Genesis, and access some of it's data (it boots up, right?) but you can't actually play it as intended because your standard Genesis is not compatible with the peripherals needed to run the program properly.
Or here's another analogy:
Certain Arcade motherboards (like Sega's Titan ST-V, among others) are cartridge-based arcade systems. They're basically video game console with no protective casings and JAMMA connectors instead of TV-outputs. They use a specific cartridge format to run games (just like consoles), but sometimes companies like Sega will re-purpose the hardware to run things other than arcade games, like prize-redemption games or other entertainment machines like kiddie rides. Inside that machine is an ST-V motherboard with a standard ST-V cartridge plugged into it. You could plug one of those cartridges into your ST-V motherboard, but you wouldn't be able to actually do anything with it since you don't have the necessary peripherals/hardware/whatever.
Outback Joey seems like the same kind of thing to me. It will boot up in a regular Genesis, but you can't actually do anything with it, right?
Yes, OBJ can be booted up on any genesis. There is a video of this on YouTube. If I remember correctly, the guts of the OBJ system are identical to a model 1 genesis. I think you need the special OBJ case to be able to use the peripherals. This is all from memory as I don't own either the OBJ cart or system, so my facts may be slightly wrong.
The CD analogy is good, but CDs are a universal media used across a plethora of electronically devices. There is ony one system that allows the insertion and boot up of a sega genesis cart.
And based on your logic, I'm guessing you wouldn't count the menacer as part of the genesis library because you need the menacer to play the cart.
Here is the video:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4
by our very own Nolan bros.
No, the Menacer counts. The Menacer, just like the Justifier or the Mega Mouse, is a peripheral designed for and compatible with a standard Genesis. You can play your Menacer 6-Pack cartridge on a standard Genesis and access all of its functions as long as you have the proper peripheral.
I don't understand why you are having such a hard time understanding my opinion on this subject. My whole position on the matter is pretty basic and can be boiled down to one question; "Can I play it on my Genesis?"
If the all of the OBJ peripherals will work with a standard Genesis, then it should count too, but if you are required to use the Heartbeat Trainer for the game to function properly (as in to fully play it, not just boot it up or access the start menu) then I don't think it should count.
Can I sit down, put OBJ in my Genesis access all of its functionality and play it start to finish as intended (assuming I have the peripherals plugged into my system)? If the answer is 'Yes,' then it's a Genesis game. If the answer is 'No, you need to play it on the Hearbeat Trainer,' then it's a Heartbeat Trainer game.
Fair enough.
I think if you want a complete US licensed set, that would probably include variants. My goal is one copy of of every game, but I actively pursue the cardboard variants on the side. Of course, I limit my game budget more now so it's going to take a lot longer.
You do need to use the peripherals that come with it, but that shouldn't make a difference. The game was also sold at retail and was not a contest cart or anything like that. There's no reason not to count it unless you're fishing for excuses to not pony up the money required to add it to your collection.
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
I do think Miracle Piano should count though, since it can be played on a regular Genesis (as long as you have the giant peripheral that goes with it).
T.A.P. has spoken! Let it be so.
An example of how misinformation can be spread...
Originally posted by: BeaglePuss
Originally posted by: T.A.P.
After looking into that Outback Joey thing, I don't think it should count. I mean, the only way to even play that thing (at least properly) is to use a specially modified Genesis that came with it.
An example of how misinformation can be spread...
What an absolutely ludicrous rumor that you'd need a modified system to play this. I had never even heard of that rumor until I just read this.