US members: Did you watch the Presidential Debate?
*Sorry if anyone is offended by these points. I am Canadian and interested in your perspective.
A few points I would like to bring up:
I watched the presidential debate last night and I have to say, I cannot believe Mcain is even receiving ANY support. He is old, like his values and platform and though he tries to distance himself form Bush, he follows many of the same ideals.
***Did anyone see the part where they visited the group of 25 voters in OHIO that were using the 'voter sensitivty dials' to determine when the candidates were speaking about what concerned them? The voters reacted most of the time when Obama spoke about issues, agreed with Obama's message and points, yet when they were posed the final question "Right now, who would you vote for?" 14 of the 25 chose Mcain. America may be doomed.
Why would anyone want to elect the Republicans after they single handedly DESTROYED the most powerful and prosperous country in the world?
Even though EVERY poll suggests Obama will win (as of now), I won't believe it until I see it, not after the people voted BUSH in again.
If Obama wins, how long before something awful happens?
If you are voting Republican, PLEASE explain to me why. I don't get as much info here in Canada as I would like and I am very interested to see how someone could want Mcain as president.
Comments
I know they didn't start the fire, it started as far back as the early 90's. It has been building for a while.
I just don't understand the support for the Republicans.
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
Obama wants us to believe in his change, but he fails to outline everything.. Too much mystery..
In regards to why I'm voting for McCain, he is someone who has in the past, gone against his own party to better America..
Why wouldn't I vote for someone who puts country first?????
I will be voting for McCain ...
good luck with that one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=rec-fresh
id vote obama cuz McCain = bush 3.0 and he's too old and conservative
his dangerously close associations with extremist/radicals
not having a personal go at you.. but do you really buy that story Palin was giving about Obama beeing in contact with that terrorist as a CHILD?
that way pretty much everyone has been in contact with either criminals terrorists pedophiles etc
Curtis,
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
I have an issue with this. If you look at our society, heathcare is a right, for the imprisoned, for the less fortunate, etc. Why shouldn't it be a right for a single mom who works in a beauty shop with no healthcare, but makes just enough money to not get any kind of government aid?
Why should people that have squandered their right to freedom have more rights when it comes to education and heathcare than an American that is trying to do everything the right way?
Curtis,
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
I have an issue with this. If you look at our society, heathcare is a right, for the imprisoned, for the less fortunate, etc. Why shouldn't it be a right for a single mom who works in a beauty shop with no healthcare, but makes just enough money to not get any kind of government aid?
Why should people that have squandered their right to freedom have more rights when it comes to education and heathcare than an American that is trying to do everything the right way?
Amen... honestly, I say take the right to healthcare away from those in our prison systems and give it to those people who really need it.
Also, I live in a state that has Tenncare for the less fortunate and it is a bunch of BS, too many drunks, and druggies clogging up the system, the universal healthcare Obama proposes will have the same result, clogged system.. everyone will lose... you want healthcare, got a job... America was built on highly productive people, this has to be what we continue to strive for.
Maybe I'm an asshole, but it is not the first or last time I've heard that..
Curtis,
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
Obama wants us to believe in his change, but he fails to outline everything.. Too much mystery..
In regards to why I'm voting for McCain, he is someone who has in the past, gone against his own party to better America..
Why wouldn't I vote for someone who puts country first?????
Pserge, what about the economy?
After all, the next 3 generations of americans are fucked.
Neither Obama nor McCain has a good economic plan, but I'd rather deal with McCain's known flaws, then Obama's unknown flaws..
his dangerously close associations with extremist/radicals
not having a personal go at you.. but do you really buy that story Palin was giving about Obama beeing in contact with that terrorist as a CHILD?
that way pretty much everyone has been in contact with either criminals terrorists pedophiles etc
No one claims they ran around together when he was 9. The guy is still unrepentant to this day and is certainly an extremist and Obama's FRIEND. Far from an acquaintance and if it were just one radical, hey, maybe it's a coincidence but he said he'd listened to Rev. Wright speek twice a month for twenty some years and didn't know all/any of his extreme views we all learned in a week or two of research. Who is he kidding? You are who you hang out with and he's seems to be surrounded by these people
Pserge, what about the economy?
After all, the next 3 generations of americans are fucked.
I have found both candidates rather uninspiring on their solutions on the economy, seems to be a lot of head scratching. It'll be interesting to see what the stock market does when somebody new is elected though
*Sorry if anyone is offended by these points. I am Canadian and interested in your perspective.
A few points I would like to bring up:
I watched the presidential debate last night and I have to say, I cannot believe Mcain is even receiving ANY support. He is old, like his values and platform and though he tries to distance himself form Bush, he follows many of the same ideals.
***Did anyone see the part where they visited the group of 25 voters in OHIO that were using the 'voter sensitivty dials' to determine when the candidates were speaking about what concerned them? The voters reacted most of the time when Obama spoke about issues, agreed with Obama's message and points, yet when they were posed the final question "Right now, who would you vote for?" 14 of the 25 chose Mcain. America may be doomed.
Why would anyone want to elect the Republicans after they single handedly DESTROYED the most powerful and prosperous country in the world?
Even though EVERY poll suggests Obama will win (as of now), I won't believe it until I see it, not after the people voted BUSH in again.
If Obama wins, how long before something awful happens?
If you are voting Republican, PLEASE explain to me why. I don't get as much info here in Canada as I would like and I am very interested to see how someone could want Mcain as president.
I voted for Bush both times, and would a third if I could. wouldn't say Bush sestroyed anything. The President doesn't really have too much power. He didn't declare war on Iraq, Congress did. Congress has the power here in the US, and I believe it's been Democrat controlled for most of Bush's tenure.
I always vote Republican, not because I am a Republican, but because I despise Democrats. To me, Democrats are the scum of the earth. Liberalism has singlehandedly DESTROYED our society.
By the way, Obama will NEVER win. There is no way America will elect a black President. Although I don't consider him black, most people do.
Which brings up something that bothers me. Why do people keep refering to him as the first black candidate. He is 50/50 black/white. He is just as much black as white. He could just as easily call himself white as he does black. What a douche. He's trying to play the race card, cause he thinks it will help him, but in the end, it will be the reason he loses.
I don't see how Obama is going to fix that.. Spending more government money and taxing the rich is only going to slow it down.
you have to spend money to be able to make it, and something needs to be done to fix the last 8 years of fuck ups by one of the worst presidents of our lifetime
Neither Obama nor McCain has a good economic plan, but I'd rather deal with McCain's known flaws, then Obama's unknown flaws..
can't really call them flaws if you don't know anything about him, and mccains flaws could fill a warehouse (or one of his many houses) 10 times over again
his first part of the debate he was going on about
"we're doing to have to do something about home values" "that home values of retirees are continues to decline, and people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payment" "as president of the united states alan, I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in america and re-negotiate at the new value of those homes, at the diminished values of those homes and let people make those payments and stay in their homes" " Is it expensive?, Yes." "but we all know my friends, until we stabalize home values in america, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy" "we gotta give some trust and confidence back to america"
how in the hell is this even remotely a wise idea to be able to help get the country rolling in the right direction?
it's not, remember when clinton was in office?, yea he got some dome from a fat chick in the oval office, who fucking cares, the country was steadily rising up from the last bafoon that was in office, jobs were being created, unemployment was declining, they knocked out a huge portion of the national debt, and now its all down the fucking drain, the bush administration is the biggest bunch of greedy self righteous assholes i've ever seen, who care nothing more than to line their own pockets and all of their wealthy friends pockets while fucking over the rest of the country
mccain is an old wind bag that contradicts himself on an almost daily basis, and picked one of the dumbest broads in america to be his running mate...just who I want running the country
Secondly, I do agree with you about the Obama race thing. But I don't think it's him pulling the race card... I think it's the media. Since he announced his candidacy and the media began talking about him being the first black president I have always wondered why if he is considered a black man he is not as easily categorized as a white man. I really think he/they were attempting to ride the wave of something new and groundbreaking like Hillary was in the fact that she would have been the first female president.
and about spending money to make money.. name one thing the government has spent money on to make money... nothing nada... zip..
Businesses need to spend money to make money, they have to make careful decisions to make money.. the government just throws money away because they know they can tax us some more and get more money later..
you say things were better in the clinton administration.. curious george could have ran the country during that economic boom and not f...ed it up.. the tech boom was soaring and clinton rode the wave..
In other threads you read "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is" everything Obama says sounds good, of course it would be nice for everyone to have healthcare, jobs, schooling, ect and every other impossible suggestion he makes. Unfortunately you can't raise taxes (especially in a recession), create jobs, have mandated healthcare policies, continue to FIGHT in a costly war, tax the shit out of business, blah blah blah all at the same time. Here's the funny thing about democrats they want to say they fight for the middle class, for the average working man. Guess what, taxing business, even the 'dreaded corporations' means LESS JOBS for the ave working man, it also means that when you go into Wall Mart to get your groceries cheap, your going to be paying MORE because Wall Mart isn't going to absorb the higher taxe cost, WE ARE. You can't promise to tax business, provide schooling for everyone, mandate healthare, and create MORE jobs although it sounds wonderfull it just doesn't make economical sense.
Curtis,
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
I have an issue with this. If you look at our society, heathcare is a right, for the imprisoned, for the less fortunate, etc. Why shouldn't it be a right for a single mom who works in a beauty shop with no healthcare, but makes just enough money to not get any kind of government aid?
Why should people that have squandered their right to freedom have more rights when it comes to education and heathcare than an American that is trying to do everything the right way?
Totally agree
!damage!, lol, dumbest 'broads' in America? I guess it must be easy to elected mayor of a city? or Governor of a state? It must be if an ol dumb broad can be elected and then have a 80% approval rateing? Shit I'm going to start my campaign right now, cause if a dumb 'broad' can do it I sure as hell can. Get ready for it, Tom Chivers the next governor of Oregon!
*Sorry if anyone is offended by these points. I am Canadian and interested in your perspective.
A few points I would like to bring up:
I watched the presidential debate last night and I have to say, I cannot believe Mcain is even receiving ANY support. He is old, like his values and platform and though he tries to distance himself form Bush, he follows many of the same ideals.
***Did anyone see the part where they visited the group of 25 voters in OHIO that were using the 'voter sensitivty dials' to determine when the candidates were speaking about what concerned them? The voters reacted most of the time when Obama spoke about issues, agreed with Obama's message and points, yet when they were posed the final question "Right now, who would you vote for?" 14 of the 25 chose Mcain. America may be doomed.
Why would anyone want to elect the Republicans after they single handedly DESTROYED the most powerful and prosperous country in the world?
Even though EVERY poll suggests Obama will win (as of now), I won't believe it until I see it, not after the people voted BUSH in again.
If Obama wins, how long before something awful happens?
If you are voting Republican, PLEASE explain to me why. I don't get as much info here in Canada as I would like and I am very interested to see how someone could want Mcain as president.
I voted for Bush both times, and would a third if I could. wouldn't say Bush sestroyed anything. The President doesn't really have too much power. He didn't declare war on Iraq, Congress did. Congress has the power here in the US, and I believe it's been Democrat controlled for most of Bush's tenure.
I always vote Republican, not because I am a Republican, but because I despise Democrats. To me, Democrats are the scum of the earth. Liberalism has singlehandedly DESTROYED our society.
LOL, you should not be allowed to have children.
why? because McCain stands for another period of Bush and agressive politics (thats how we get it in the media)
Obama is a young, "black" charismatic politician that has no bonds with Bush.. thats the most important thing for most people here
Curtis,
I will be voting for McCain and here's why... I've researched both McCain and Obama.. Obama is a talker, that's it..
He says healthcare is a right?? breathing is a right, but healthcare isn't.. I'm tired of hearing people say that everything is a right.. The government owes us nothing but to ensure our safety..
I sure as hell don't want the government running healthcare..
I have an issue with this. If you look at our society, heathcare is a right, for the imprisoned, for the less fortunate, etc. Why shouldn't it be a right for a single mom who works in a beauty shop with no healthcare, but makes just enough money to not get any kind of government aid?
Why should people that have squandered their right to freedom have more rights when it comes to education and heathcare than an American that is trying to do everything the right way?
Totally agree
This is why socialism does NOT work. It's tax dollars that pay for the imprisoned or less fortunate and it would be tax dollars that pay for the single mom. Basically all incentive for working hard is taken away because the more money you make, the more money the government takes to give to those who can't afford healthcare. Of course that major flaw with this is, If I can make the same amount of money sweeping floors as I could being a surgeon I sure as hell wouldn't go to school for eight years to have one of the most stressfull jobs out there.