^ dude, you really don't get it. He's not trying to actively sell it. If someone wants to buy it, he's expecting to be paid what he thinks it will be worth in the future. He's already let most of his go for well under what it's worth now. I'm assuming these are his last two (could be wrong) and is letting people know what it would take to pry it from his hands. It's not like these games come up very often. So if you're actively looking and don't want to wait a few years for one to pop up, he lets you know that he does have them and would be willing to sell (for the right price obviously)
Yep, Dr. Robbie and BuyAtari have it 100% correct.
And no, I have no motive to "push" it, I've just had a lot of interesting messages bumping that thread. It's like getting attention to an eBay store and what not without having it on eBay. If I wanted the attention you would see it on eBay and all over Kotaku like some members have here when they "want" to sell stuff, so you have to take that into consideration.
No one is biased here, how can I be biased on something I have told people was going to go up. I've told people all sorts of things were going to go up that I do and do not own. Same with pinball machines. I went into those years ago before the craze. I don't have to have a bias with anything, I am not a 10000000 person seller selling all sorts of stuff all the time. I merely said "I told you guys this was going to go up", going by a sales thread and not knowing this has been going on for years = not understanding economics.
I've said for years:
Everything with a box and manual = goes up
Pinball = goes up
High collectibles like NWC = goes up
crazy rare items in each area that people don't know about = goes up
I don't have to "own" stuff to say they will go up.
I guess maybe we have different definitions of "trying" to sell something. To me, if I'm not trying to sell something then I'm not bumping a FS thread, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
Well, when I joined the site in 2008, I swore the going rate on NWC Gold was about $15k-$20k. Six to Seven years later, maybe $25k-$30k, despite NWC Gray doubling overnight last Winter (~8.5k to $17.5k), and many individual carts / CIBs / Sealed going up 300-500% (or more) in that time frame. It may be going up, but there are tons of items that have been a lot hotter from a percentage perspective.
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Nonetheless, it's nice discussion. But if this cart ever hits $100k, a lot of us with big collections will be millionaires at that point NWC cannot have that kind of growth unless the hobby as a whole does the same, and you'd see stuff like $50k Stadium Events carts and god only knows what else.
These days I like to consider NWC gold the "false holy grail" still need a better title. It's just too cheesy to be the hobbies ultimate collectible!
No doubt though 25, 50, and 100 years from now museums and elite collectors will be fighting over the dozenish known copies at extreme prices if, and only if the hobby crosses into ubiquity.
Jason is in the right to ask $100k on an item with potential 7 figure value one day far in the future.
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Even without a family or kids, you're talking about enough money for a minor "world tour" or a full year, or more, of living costs for most people.
Well, when I joined the site in 2008, I swore the going rate on NWC Gold was about $15k-$20k. Six to Seven years later, maybe $25k-$30k, despite NWC Gray doubling overnight last Winter (~8.5k to $17.5k), and many individual carts / CIBs / Sealed going up 300-500% (or more) in that time frame. It may be going up, but there are tons of items that have been a lot hotter from a percentage perspective.
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Nonetheless, it's nice discussion. But if this cart ever hits $100k, a lot of us with big collections will be millionaires at that point NWC cannot have that kind of growth unless the hobby as a whole does the same, and you'd see stuff like $50k Stadium Events carts and god only knows what else.
Well not necessarily. When you reach the realm of collectibles like this in other venues (like specific comics and baseball cards) only the very wealthy can afford them later on. There are rarer comics than Action Comics #1 and Honus Wagner but they are very well known and known to be "holy grails" amongst hobbyists. For the gold NWC of the 26 how many are actually out there? 12-15 known??? Prototypes are rarer than that, but not everyone cares about those, the 1990 Gold NWC has the pedigree like the other stuff, which is why it has been deemed the most collectible/wanted video game item amongst the masses. Not everyone will care about Mega Drive Tetris, but the NWC is a different story all its own, which is why you always see higher end "non" hobbyists in other venues paying XXXX amount for something.
The "highest" end stuff will always hold the most value for sure. Everything else depends on how it is handed down to the next generation.
Just curious, if both NWC carts were consistently selling for the exact same price, which one would you rather have? This obviously isn't the case, but I ask becuase I personally "value" (as a collectable, not money) NWC grey more than the gold. I'm likely in the minority, but I really like that they were used in an exciting competition that I really wanted to participate in as a kid, were never actually meant to have been given to the participants, they are individually numbered and there are multiple data sources that in some cases can help you trace them to the owners and whether it was a finalist, non-finalist, or Game Play Counselor, and in my opinion they even look cooler than the golds. Rarity will always make the golds sell for more but I think I can honestly say that once I finally get a grey, my NES cart collecting goals will be 100% fulfilled.
I'm just gonna say this. People may say Dream's prices are high, but also know this. He sold NWC Gold's for 6k back in the day. It sounded high then, but I don't think anyone wouldn't want to buy 3 at that price now. I've personally paid him high prices for several items over my collecting career. Complete Gameboy stuff, etc. I paid at the time what I thought were high prices, but over time turned out to be deals. The things he sells for high prices are rare and hard to find. He wants some future price appreciation to let go of some of those things.
When I sold my NWC Gold for 15k, the highest to that point was sold for 10k. I asked that and didn't sell till I got that because I wanted some future appreciation too. Today we're looking at 20-30k prices. I'm happy with what I got at the time, rather than saying I took 10k when I could have got more.
For what it's worth....I'd rather own a CIB Stadium Events than a gold NWC.
I love my #260 but I have no interest in owning a gold.....I'd rather use said funds on a bunch of coked up hookers on a Vegas vacation. (Don't tell my wife.)
Like Bronty said, we'll see if it's ever paid for.
While true, I was in at $19,000 and didn't even come close to winning it. There were a number of people ahead of me that were willing to spend a good deal more.
A Gold NWC is definitely north of $20,000 at this point.
I will say it was exciting to see those two auctions end on New Years eve. Was not sure how the participation would be. Had to take a break from my tequila shots and watch them!
I guess maybe we have different definitions of "trying" to sell something. To me, if I'm not trying to sell something then I'm not bumping a FS thread, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
Of course someone who feels strongly about something will own it if he has the means. If you want something and can afford it then you usually buy it.
He started long ago and had his choice of everything that existed in this hobby. So he doesn't feel the way he does about the NWC only BECAUSE he owns it. He only owns it because he felt that way long before he bought it ! Not only did he have an early opinion on the NWC but he backed it up and put his money where his mouth is. You want to discount his opinion on the topic just because he being right about it for 15 years!
Now you could say that he has a vested interest because he owns one and sure he does. He doesn't want the value of the NWC to crash. He might even have plans to sell it once it hits $100,000. However, you would be a fool to cast aside his opinion on the NWC as meaningless to the discussion just because he owns one. He has been right so far. Long before anyone else took interest in it.
Well, when I joined the site in 2008, I swore the going rate on NWC Gold was about $15k-$20k. Six to Seven years later, maybe $25k-$30k, despite NWC Gray doubling overnight last Winter (~8.5k to $17.5k), and many individual carts / CIBs / Sealed going up 300-500% (or more) in that time frame. It may be going up, but there are tons of items that have been a lot hotter from a percentage perspective.
lol. I thought the same thing when the auction ended. Maybe they have a stigma?
Yep, Dr. Robbie and BuyAtari have it 100% correct.
And no, I have no motive to "push" it, I've just had a lot of interesting messages bumping that thread. It's like getting attention to an eBay store and what not without having it on eBay. If I wanted the attention you would see it on eBay and all over Kotaku like some members have here when they "want" to sell stuff, so you have to take that into consideration.
No one is biased here, how can I be biased on something I have told people was going to go up. I've told people all sorts of things were going to go up that I do and do not own. Same with pinball machines. I went into those years ago before the craze. I don't have to have a bias with anything, I am not a 10000000 person seller selling all sorts of stuff all the time. I merely said "I told you guys this was going to go up", going by a sales thread and not knowing this has been going on for years = not understanding economics.
I've said for years:
Everything with a box and manual = goes up
Pinball = goes up
High collectibles like NWC = goes up
crazy rare items in each area that people don't know about = goes up
I don't have to "own" stuff to say they will go up.
This is my first post on this site, but I've been collecting for 15 years now. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community. I am the winner of the Gold NWC cart from jp-rex1 (real name Josh). I just received it today via overnight UPS and its definitely legit. Works perfectly. Please see the attached photos.
Josh told me that he initially purchased the cart about 10 years ago from a person in Canada named Dan Moreska (spelling?). If he exists on this website it would be nice to meet him. I don't know anything else except that he liked to collect game artwork.
I also own the Grey NWC cart #305. This was initially owned by Steven Gingerich (known as icemn187 on NA) who was a local winner in the competition in 1990 and he made it to the semi-finals. He then sold it to Rob Fischer in person who is an NA moderator (known as themotherbrain) in 2008 to help pay for his wedding. Then in 2011 it was purchased by Joseph (last name I know but prefer not to list it here). And I purchased it in September 2014 from Joseph at this link from Ebay:
This is my first post on this site, but I've been collecting for 15 years now. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community. I am the winner of the Gold NWC cart from jp-rex1 (real name Josh). I just received it today via overnight UPS and its definitely legit. Works perfectly. Please see the attached photos.
Josh told me that he initially purchased the cart about 10 years ago from a person in Canada named Dan Moreska (spelling?). If he exists on this website it would be nice to meet him. I don't know anything else except that he liked to collect game artwork.
I also own the Grey NWC cart #305. This was initially owned by Steven Gingerich (known as icemn187 on NA) who was a local winner in the competition in 1990 and he made it to the semi-finals. He then sold it to Rob Fischer in person who is an NA moderator (known as themotherbrain) in 2008 to help pay for his wedding. Then in 2011 it was purchased by Joseph (last name I know but prefer not to list it here). And I purchased it in September 2014 from Joseph at this link from Ebay:
I'm working on it. I can trace it back to 2003. The cart was sold that year to Bronty by Dave Loveland when he was getting rid of his entire collection. But I cannot trace it back earlier than that because Dave is not really reachable. Maybe somebody else on this forum has some ideas?
Just to clarify, Dave bought it around 03 from a seller that I can't recall. I got it from him in 07 and sold to Ray/Josh shortly thereafter. Now with you.
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And no, I have no motive to "push" it, I've just had a lot of interesting messages bumping that thread. It's like getting attention to an eBay store and what not without having it on eBay. If I wanted the attention you would see it on eBay and all over Kotaku like some members have here when they "want" to sell stuff, so you have to take that into consideration.
No one is biased here, how can I be biased on something I have told people was going to go up. I've told people all sorts of things were going to go up that I do and do not own. Same with pinball machines. I went into those years ago before the craze. I don't have to have a bias with anything, I am not a 10000000 person seller selling all sorts of stuff all the time. I merely said "I told you guys this was going to go up", going by a sales thread and not knowing this has been going on for years = not understanding economics.
I've said for years:
Everything with a box and manual = goes up
Pinball = goes up
High collectibles like NWC = goes up
crazy rare items in each area that people don't know about = goes up
I don't have to "own" stuff to say they will go up.
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Nonetheless, it's nice discussion. But if this cart ever hits $100k, a lot of us with big collections will be millionaires at that point NWC cannot have that kind of growth unless the hobby as a whole does the same, and you'd see stuff like $50k Stadium Events carts and god only knows what else.
No doubt though 25, 50, and 100 years from now museums and elite collectors will be fighting over the dozenish known copies at extreme prices if, and only if the hobby crosses into ubiquity.
Jason is in the right to ask $100k on an item with potential 7 figure value one day far in the future.
Originally posted by: jonebone
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Even without a family or kids, you're talking about enough money for a minor "world tour" or a full year, or more, of living costs for most people.
Originally posted by: jonebone
Well, when I joined the site in 2008, I swore the going rate on NWC Gold was about $15k-$20k. Six to Seven years later, maybe $25k-$30k, despite NWC Gray doubling overnight last Winter (~8.5k to $17.5k), and many individual carts / CIBs / Sealed going up 300-500% (or more) in that time frame. It may be going up, but there are tons of items that have been a lot hotter from a percentage perspective.
It's a nice to own thing, but I also imagine that anyone with kids would rather put their kids through college than own a Gold NWC unless the household income is probably $200k+. So I see the primary buyers being single guys with nice incomes, guys with families will eventually be sellers whether they admit it or not.
Nonetheless, it's nice discussion. But if this cart ever hits $100k, a lot of us with big collections will be millionaires at that point NWC cannot have that kind of growth unless the hobby as a whole does the same, and you'd see stuff like $50k Stadium Events carts and god only knows what else.
Well not necessarily. When you reach the realm of collectibles like this in other venues (like specific comics and baseball cards) only the very wealthy can afford them later on. There are rarer comics than Action Comics #1 and Honus Wagner but they are very well known and known to be "holy grails" amongst hobbyists. For the gold NWC of the 26 how many are actually out there? 12-15 known??? Prototypes are rarer than that, but not everyone cares about those, the 1990 Gold NWC has the pedigree like the other stuff, which is why it has been deemed the most collectible/wanted video game item amongst the masses. Not everyone will care about Mega Drive Tetris, but the NWC is a different story all its own, which is why you always see higher end "non" hobbyists in other venues paying XXXX amount for something.
The "highest" end stuff will always hold the most value for sure. Everything else depends on how it is handed down to the next generation.
When I sold my NWC Gold for 15k, the highest to that point was sold for 10k. I asked that and didn't sell till I got that because I wanted some future appreciation too. Today we're looking at 20-30k prices. I'm happy with what I got at the time, rather than saying I took 10k when I could have got more.
The Gold NWC will just continue to rise.
I love my #260 but I have no interest in owning a gold.....I'd rather use said funds on a bunch of coked up hookers on a Vegas vacation. (Don't tell my wife.)
Originally posted by: Retroscribe
Like Bronty said, we'll see if it's ever paid for.
While true, I was in at $19,000 and didn't even come close to winning it. There were a number of people ahead of me that were willing to spend a good deal more.
A Gold NWC is definitely north of $20,000 at this point.
-Muresan
Originally posted by: CompleteSNES
I guess maybe we have different definitions of "trying" to sell something. To me, if I'm not trying to sell something then I'm not bumping a FS thread, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
Of course someone who feels strongly about something will own it if he has the means. If you want something and can afford it then you usually buy it.
He started long ago and had his choice of everything that existed in this hobby. So he doesn't feel the way he does about the NWC only BECAUSE he owns it. He only owns it because he felt that way long before he bought it ! Not only did he have an early opinion on the NWC but he backed it up and put his money where his mouth is. You want to discount his opinion on the topic just because he being right about it for 15 years!
Now you could say that he has a vested interest because he owns one and sure he does. He doesn't want the value of the NWC to crash. He might even have plans to sell it once it hits $100,000. However, you would be a fool to cast aside his opinion on the NWC as meaningless to the discussion just because he owns one. He has been right so far. Long before anyone else took interest in it.
Originally posted by: jonebone
Well, when I joined the site in 2008, I swore the going rate on NWC Gold was about $15k-$20k. Six to Seven years later, maybe $25k-$30k, despite NWC Gray doubling overnight last Winter (~8.5k to $17.5k), and many individual carts / CIBs / Sealed going up 300-500% (or more) in that time frame. It may be going up, but there are tons of items that have been a lot hotter from a percentage perspective.
lol. I thought the same thing when the auction ended. Maybe they have a stigma?
Originally posted by: DreamTR
Yep, Dr. Robbie and BuyAtari have it 100% correct.
And no, I have no motive to "push" it, I've just had a lot of interesting messages bumping that thread. It's like getting attention to an eBay store and what not without having it on eBay. If I wanted the attention you would see it on eBay and all over Kotaku like some members have here when they "want" to sell stuff, so you have to take that into consideration.
No one is biased here, how can I be biased on something I have told people was going to go up. I've told people all sorts of things were going to go up that I do and do not own. Same with pinball machines. I went into those years ago before the craze. I don't have to have a bias with anything, I am not a 10000000 person seller selling all sorts of stuff all the time. I merely said "I told you guys this was going to go up", going by a sales thread and not knowing this has been going on for years = not understanding economics.
I've said for years:
Everything with a box and manual = goes up
Pinball = goes up
High collectibles like NWC = goes up
crazy rare items in each area that people don't know about = goes up
I don't have to "own" stuff to say they will go up.
I have pinball with both the box and the manual.
This is my first post on this site, but I've been collecting for 15 years now. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community. I am the winner of the Gold NWC cart from jp-rex1 (real name Josh). I just received it today via overnight UPS and its definitely legit. Works perfectly. Please see the attached photos.
Josh told me that he initially purchased the cart about 10 years ago from a person in Canada named Dan Moreska (spelling?). If he exists on this website it would be nice to meet him. I don't know anything else except that he liked to collect game artwork.
I also own the Grey NWC cart #305. This was initially owned by Steven Gingerich (known as icemn187 on NA) who was a local winner in the competition in 1990 and he made it to the semi-finals. He then sold it to Rob Fischer in person who is an NA moderator (known as themotherbrain) in 2008 to help pay for his wedding. Then in 2011 it was purchased by Joseph (last name I know but prefer not to list it here). And I purchased it in September 2014 from Joseph at this link from Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Ultimate-Nintendo-World-Championships-1990-Collection-NWC-Cartridge-Trophy-/171463420325
I have additinally purchased these other NWC collector items from Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Nintendo-World-Championships-T-Shirt-and-Badge-from-Qualifier-/291261306527
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Nintendo-World-Championships-1990-ORIGINAL-SEMIFINALIST-HAT-from-the-event-/231379805085
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221641859975
So I just wanted to get my name out there for the record and to prove the NWC Gold auction was legit. Feel free to message me with any questions.
http://www.nintendoage.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Users.Home&User=bronty
I sold the gold cart to Ray in 2007. I believe Josh is Ray's son.
I'll pm you.
Originally posted by: dukepharo
Hey everybody,
This is my first post on this site, but I've been collecting for 15 years now. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community. I am the winner of the Gold NWC cart from jp-rex1 (real name Josh). I just received it today via overnight UPS and its definitely legit. Works perfectly. Please see the attached photos.
Josh told me that he initially purchased the cart about 10 years ago from a person in Canada named Dan Moreska (spelling?). If he exists on this website it would be nice to meet him. I don't know anything else except that he liked to collect game artwork.
I also own the Grey NWC cart #305. This was initially owned by Steven Gingerich (known as icemn187 on NA) who was a local winner in the competition in 1990 and he made it to the semi-finals. He then sold it to Rob Fischer in person who is an NA moderator (known as themotherbrain) in 2008 to help pay for his wedding. Then in 2011 it was purchased by Joseph (last name I know but prefer not to list it here). And I purchased it in September 2014 from Joseph at this link from Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Ultim...
I have additinally purchased these other NWC collector items from Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-N...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Nint...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221641859...
So I just wanted to get my name out there for the record and to prove the NWC Gold auction was legit. Feel free to message me with any questions.
So you don't know the full origin of the gold cart, who the winner via NP was?
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Aaron Collins
Oklahoma City, OK
BunnyBoy
2
Adam DeAngeli
Rockville, MD
3
Antonio DeMasi
Meriden, CT
Lost in a house fire, but may also be in a box in an attic
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Charles Nowak
Florissant, MO
5
Corey Hept
Vandalia, OH
6
Daniel Conley
Buffalo, NY
Sold at a garage sale in Fort Wayne, IN. A woman bought it and sold on eBay for $5,100 in 2009
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David Bailey
Hidalgo, IL
8
Diano Dornfield
Renton, WA
9
Isaac Staley
Altadena, CA
10
Jason Mussay
Mount Prospect, IL
11
Joe Alles
Beaverton, OR
12
John Ossenfort
Spring, TX
Trey Harrison
Sold to Trey Harrison for $50 in 1994 or 1995
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Kim Gee
San Jose, CA
14
Kirk Evans
Corington, LA
15
Lawrence Venzor
San Diego, CA
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Lionel Worman
Woodbury Heights, NH
Given away to Goodwill
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Maryann Purple
Claremont, NH
18
Mere Napper
Pittsburgh, PA
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Micael Pollinger
West Seneca, NY
20
Michael Headly
Ashburn, VA
Pat the NES Punk
Purchased directly from owner by Pat Contri (Pat the NES Punk)
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Nicole Babcowsky
Addison, IL
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Patrick King
Cheyenne, WY
Glenn Worley
Glenn (mtnlife on eBay) Missing the sticker - Was bid up to $100,088 on eBay
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Peter Wilkes
Red Bank, NJ
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Raini Hudson
Sunrise, FL
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Seth Leonard
Northport, AL
26
Spencer Han
Marysville, MI
Created from grey NWC board and passed off as original.