You guys sure are optimistic. Knowing what I know about people and the internet there is no way this will last another 9 days without some douche bags troll bidding.
You guys sure are optimistic. Knowing what I know about people and the internet there is no way this will last another 9 days without some douche bags troll bidding.
Yep.
The upside for anybody serious is that they'll likely put it up with a 30K BIN after the shenanigans die out.
true. the same thing happened with that nwc gold. first attempt or two were trolled and then this last one went thru OK
I imagine this will probably happen. I've added the auction to my watch list anyways, just to see how everything play's out. Should be interesting no matter what.
Who the fuck passed up a $30k BIN??????? Sell your car, your wife, your mom if you have to. We should be reading about this in the OHSHIT I GOTTA STEAL thread a week from now.
To be fair, if I was an NES collector spending $30k, I'd rather have bought the $26k Gold NWC last week. NWCs are much more liquid than VGA.
I guess we'll see where the bidding goes though! Hopefully stays legit with no troll bids. I assume a nice CIB would be about $15-$20k, so I'd expect this to be $35-40k range. Just a guess though!
What is the breakdown of a CIB?
The last loose cart was what 7500?
Not sure what an instructions booklet and box would fetch. Instructions booklet has to be less and box would have to be more. 3000 and 10000?
I've often wondered about the price tag on an manual+box stadium events. I guess it appeals to CIB collectors going for the full set but it seems like the cart would be worth a lot more in this rare instance since so many people only want a cart only.
4-5 SE carts get sold on ebay each year, it's almost a liquid market for the very small amount of people close to full ntsc sets trying to get that last piece.
If there are 3 known sealed stadium events now you might see three more in your lifetime. Years between re-sales.
The guy right now is out of work and used to work for Nintendo. He was personally responsible for destroying the pallets of Stadium Events (along with other old stock) that were recalled in a grinder. He confirmed with me without a doubt that these games were sent to oblivion. However, he's not 100% sure if he got his copy from the employee defect store (e.g. not up to par packaging but still functional), or during the grinding process and asking his boss if he could have one, he did do this for other stuff but not sure if he did it for Stadium Events.
He found out how valuable the game was, graded it, and is now selling it. I have a hunch that he might have more than one- but that's just a hunch. I think he would have graded other copies if he did.
Really good guy, and he seemingly can use the money right now. Funny how the past two years a mint CIB and this sealed copy came into the hands of non-collectors.
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
The guy right now is out of work and used to work for Nintendo. He was personally responsible for destroying the pallets of Stadium Events (along with other old stock) that were recalled in a grinder. He confirmed with me without a doubt that these games were sent to oblivion. However, he's not 100% sure if he got his copy from the employee defect store (e.g. not up to par packaging but still functional), or during the grinding process and asking his boss if he could have one, he did do this for other stuff but not sure if he did it for Stadium Events.
He found out how valuable the game was, graded it, and is now selling it. I have a hunch that he might have more than one- but that's just a hunch. I think he would have graded other copies if he did.
So he's personally responsible for destroying all of the copies, yet would only ask for one? I find that hard to believe myself.
Also, you can never believe every word from a salesman, that should be a given. If I had multiple SEs, I'd grade them one at a time and leak them to the market every few months, or once a year around tax time. Surely no one would be foolish enough to blow up the entire VGA population on an grail and submit all of them at once.
I took it with a grain of salt, that's why I suspect there's more than one given the fact that he claims to be the guy responsible for the destruction of these things. Still, this was graded back in 2011 and he's selling it only now that he's out of a job. Why sit on it for 3 years if you have more than one? (Unless the lack of a job is an excuse?)
If I had a box of Stadium Events I wouldn't grade them at all, I'd just buy acrylic box protectors and not let the public know they even exist.
Edit: Besides, it's all speculation anyway. This may very well be the final copy to surface for a very long time. But again, if there's anyone who has a stack of these things it's this guy The more I think of it logically though, why only ask $30k BIN? It's risky, but not really since it's still Stadium Events.
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
Good one.
Given the fact that I think Bronty's copy was found in Washington and the dude mentioned that there was an employee store. I'm willing to bet that's where the other copy came from as well.
I'll see if I can get in touch with him again and ask him this weekend. If anyone has anything else they want to specifically ask I'll write down a list.
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
There is zero hard evidence of number of copies produced and number of copies sold to the public. It's always been that way. The 200/2,000 numbers have no basis, and are simply made up.
I'm pretty sure when Howard Phillips was around, he said 10K was a print run minimum, but I can't for the life of me find it. It may have been in a video interview.
10K was a minimum print run back then, however it is highly probable most of those never made it out because Nintendo changed it to their own game, hence why this game is so scarce.
My copy is nicer but not sealed. So if anyone wants it, $50K.
I'm pretty sure when Howard Phillips was around, he said 10K was a print run minimum, but I can't for the life of me find it. It may have been in a video interview.
That doesn't necessarily mean the entire 10k were manufactured before any were distributed.
I'm pretty sure when Howard Phillips was around, he said 10K was a print run minimum, but I can't for the life of me find it. It may have been in a video interview.
That doesn't necessarily mean the entire 10k were manufactured before any were distributed.
It really was a unique situation. Nintendo bought out the rights for not just the games but the hardware. Somewhere someone should remember what happened in this case.
Black Diamond Washington...what an odd place for this game to be.
Considering NOA is located in Washington state I don't see this being so far fetched. I know Benihana found his copy there and i've heard of numerous others from the state over the years... in fact if memory serves an older collector named Layne, who used to be part of the NWCGE with Rick Weis told me he had a sealed copy. This was back in 2005/2006. I took it with a grain of salt... but the dude disappeared and even Rick doesn't know what happened to him. Maybe this is the copy? Layne had some cool shit he would resell back in the day.
So he's personally responsible for destroying all of the copies, yet would only ask for one? I find that hard to believe myself.
Doesn't seem hard to believe to me, not like it was a good game or valuable at the time. More of a "may as well grab one" instead of "stockpile these to resell".
This guy's name isn't Layne and claims to own it since the 90s so I doubt it's that copy if it exists.
Another interesting thing, if he claims he purchased in the 90s then that means these were sitting at Nintendo for years before being destroyed or sold through the employee store.
Ya, I wanna say that last raw sealed copy went for 41k four years ago---but that was at the peak of Nes stuff---
2010 peak of NES stuff? I dont want to say your wrong, but that was when I was reselling more than collecting, and games were alot lower than they are now. If I could go back to 2010 and buy games at the prices I was buying them at then, my collection would be growing alot quicker, and with better games than it is now.
I think he's referring to when there was a pair (or more?) of anonymous sealed grail and black box buyers. The prices of grail titles in sealed mint condition have since levelled off and even began to cool down.
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should be interesting to see at what it will fetch ...
We'll see how things play out.
Originally posted by: django333
You guys sure are optimistic. Knowing what I know about people and the internet there is no way this will last another 9 days without some douche bags troll bidding.
Yep.
The upside for anybody serious is that they'll likely put it up with a 30K BIN after the shenanigans die out.
Originally posted by: Bronty
true. the same thing happened with that nwc gold. first attempt or two were trolled and then this last one went thru OK
I imagine this will probably happen. I've added the auction to my watch list anyways, just to see how everything play's out. Should be interesting no matter what.
Originally posted by: jonebone
Originally posted by: MoeDown
Who the fuck passed up a $30k BIN??????? Sell your car, your wife, your mom if you have to. We should be reading about this in the OHSHIT I GOTTA STEAL thread a week from now.
To be fair, if I was an NES collector spending $30k, I'd rather have bought the $26k Gold NWC last week. NWCs are much more liquid than VGA.
I guess we'll see where the bidding goes though! Hopefully stays legit with no troll bids. I assume a nice CIB would be about $15-$20k, so I'd expect this to be $35-40k range. Just a guess though!
What is the breakdown of a CIB?
The last loose cart was what 7500?
Not sure what an instructions booklet and box would fetch. Instructions booklet has to be less and box would have to be more. 3000 and 10000?
If there are 3 known sealed stadium events now you might see three more in your lifetime. Years between re-sales.
A CIB in good condition should be no less than $17,500 these days. This is my breakdown on the subject.
Low
Mid
High
Cart
$5,000.00
$6,250.00
$7,500.00
Manual
$3,000.00
$4,000.00
$5,000.00
Box
$7,000.00
$8,500.00
$10,000.00
$15,000.00
$18,750.00
$22,500.00
Also, add $25 for that Bandai insert!
Oh, and I think there are 4 known sealed SE's now.
Bronty's, !damage's old copy, Namco-Bandai HQ's, and now this one.
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
A CIB in good condition should be no less than $17,500 these days. This is my breakdown on the subject.
Low
Mid
High
Cart
$5,000.00
$6,250.00
$7,500.00
Manual
$3,000.00
$4,000.00
$5,000.00
Box
$7,000.00
$8,500.00
$10,000.00
$15,000.00
$18,750.00
$22,500.00
Also, add $25 for that Bandai insert!
Oh, and I think there are 4 known sealed SE's now.
Bronty's, !damage's old copy, Namco-Bandai HQ's, and now this one.
I heard the rumors of the bandai copy long ago. It is possible the seller picked this up? Claims he worked at Nintendo and picked it up in the 90s.
The guy right now is out of work and used to work for Nintendo. He was personally responsible for destroying the pallets of Stadium Events (along with other old stock) that were recalled in a grinder. He confirmed with me without a doubt that these games were sent to oblivion. However, he's not 100% sure if he got his copy from the employee defect store (e.g. not up to par packaging but still functional), or during the grinding process and asking his boss if he could have one, he did do this for other stuff but not sure if he did it for Stadium Events.
He found out how valuable the game was, graded it, and is now selling it. I have a hunch that he might have more than one- but that's just a hunch. I think he would have graded other copies if he did.
Really good guy, and he seemingly can use the money right now. Funny how the past two years a mint CIB and this sealed copy came into the hands of non-collectors.
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
The guy right now is out of work and used to work for Nintendo. He was personally responsible for destroying the pallets of Stadium Events (along with other old stock) that were recalled in a grinder. He confirmed with me without a doubt that these games were sent to oblivion. However, he's not 100% sure if he got his copy from the employee defect store (e.g. not up to par packaging but still functional), or during the grinding process and asking his boss if he could have one, he did do this for other stuff but not sure if he did it for Stadium Events.
He found out how valuable the game was, graded it, and is now selling it. I have a hunch that he might have more than one- but that's just a hunch. I think he would have graded other copies if he did.
So he's personally responsible for destroying all of the copies, yet would only ask for one? I find that hard to believe myself.
Also, you can never believe every word from a salesman, that should be a given. If I had multiple SEs, I'd grade them one at a time and leak them to the market every few months, or once a year around tax time. Surely no one would be foolish enough to blow up the entire VGA population on an grail and submit all of them at once.
If I had a box of Stadium Events I wouldn't grade them at all, I'd just buy acrylic box protectors and not let the public know they even exist.
Edit: Besides, it's all speculation anyway. This may very well be the final copy to surface for a very long time. But again, if there's anyone who has a stack of these things it's this guy The more I think of it logically though, why only ask $30k BIN? It's risky, but not really since it's still Stadium Events.
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
Originally posted by: xjwebb1982
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
Good one.
Given the fact that I think Bronty's copy was found in Washington and the dude mentioned that there was an employee store. I'm willing to bet that's where the other copy came from as well.
I'll see if I can get in touch with him again and ask him this weekend. If anyone has anything else they want to specifically ask I'll write down a list.
Originally posted by: buyatari2
How many graded copies are there?
I believe there are 2:
The 75 copy #75605609 (phishOr/ feeback's old copy)
This 85 copy #76523899
Then 2 raw copies:
Bronty's
Richman-Gordman's
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
Is the Richman Gordmon copy the one that Namco-Bandai is rumoured to own? If not then it's definitely 4 known copies with the possibility of 5.
No way. Why would a company owned copy that was in their lobby display area have a store price sticker on it?
Originally posted by: xjwebb1982
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
Edit: Also, can anyone think of any questions you might want to ask him? I want to ask him some stuff about his job there, but if anyone wants to know anything specific about the Stadium Events I can probably find out for you.
I'd love to know if he has any info that confirms or contradicts the popularly held belief that about 2000 were in the production run and around 200 made it to the public. If we know the production run and number of copies he ultimately destroyed then we might have a better idea of how many are out there.
Would also be neat if he had any info about whether it was actually exclusive to certain regions and retailers.
There is zero hard evidence of number of copies produced and number of copies sold to the public. It's always been that way. The 200/2,000 numbers have no basis, and are simply made up.
My copy is nicer but not sealed. So if anyone wants it, $50K.
Originally posted by: K.Thrower
I'm pretty sure when Howard Phillips was around, he said 10K was a print run minimum, but I can't for the life of me find it. It may have been in a video interview.
That doesn't necessarily mean the entire 10k were manufactured before any were distributed.
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: K.Thrower
I'm pretty sure when Howard Phillips was around, he said 10K was a print run minimum, but I can't for the life of me find it. It may have been in a video interview.
That doesn't necessarily mean the entire 10k were manufactured before any were distributed.
It really was a unique situation. Nintendo bought out the rights for not just the games but the hardware. Somewhere someone should remember what happened in this case.
Originally posted by: Otter
Black Diamond Washington...what an odd place for this game to be.
Considering NOA is located in Washington state I don't see this being so far fetched. I know Benihana found his copy there and i've heard of numerous others from the state over the years... in fact if memory serves an older collector named Layne, who used to be part of the NWCGE with Rick Weis told me he had a sealed copy. This was back in 2005/2006. I took it with a grain of salt... but the dude disappeared and even Rick doesn't know what happened to him. Maybe this is the copy? Layne had some cool shit he would resell back in the day.
So he's personally responsible for destroying all of the copies, yet would only ask for one? I find that hard to believe myself.
Doesn't seem hard to believe to me, not like it was a good game or valuable at the time. More of a "may as well grab one" instead of "stockpile these to resell".
Another interesting thing, if he claims he purchased in the 90s then that means these were sitting at Nintendo for years before being destroyed or sold through the employee store.
Originally posted by: 1upped
Ya, I wanna say that last raw sealed copy went for 41k four years ago---but that was at the peak of Nes stuff---
2010 peak of NES stuff? I dont want to say your wrong, but that was when I was reselling more than collecting, and games were alot lower than they are now. If I could go back to 2010 and buy games at the prices I was buying them at then, my collection would be growing alot quicker, and with better games than it is now.