Would a sealed case sell for more than the ~150k you would get selling them separately, or less because there isn't a buyer willing to pay that much?
I'm thinking less. I doubt there is a buyer out there willing to cough up $30K each for something that they would know has another 5 copies out there. Unless you really wanted to monopolize the market why would you pay more than say $100K for the case? At that price assume 5 buyers at $20K to get your innvestment back and then keep a copy or sell it for your profit. I just don't see 6 buyers @ $30K. Tons of speculation and risk in that scenario as well.
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
This is one of the reason I've begged him to sell this title. I suggested one copy every 12-18 months. Didn't budge
Would a sealed case sell for more than the ~150k you would get selling them separately, or less because there isn't a buyer willing to pay that much?
I believe his old username might have been tatwood if I recall. He and I got off on the wrong foot several times and that's too bad, but I believe his claims. It all started 10-12 years ago with me mistakenly thinking he had been involved in selling someone some resealed stuff and it just went downhill from there. He did show a case of DK, a case of mario, a case of uninvited and four cases of TMNT tourney fighters at one point so there's definitely some cases.
But to answer your question I imagine selling separately would get you the better result. You'd be selling six grails instead of one and able to make six people stretch financially instead of one.
To be clear you are saying that you have seen 6 sealed copies of Stadium Events with your own eyes in his collection.
They are in a sealed case...
I just sent him a mssg asking him to post the pics here. Keep your fingers crossed...
I understand that this is your friend and you want to vouch for him but you still didn't answer the question. Prior to today, have seen this sealed case of NTSC Stadium Events with your own eyes in person or not?
Umm I never claimed to see it in person. Nor am I on trial. Thanks.
You aren't on trial but when you keep poping up in these threads posting that there are 6 more then I and perhaps others here as well just want to get this story straight. In truth it does appear (to me at least) that you DID say you saw them just a few posts up with. "I have"
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
Originally posted by: buyatari2
You have seen pictures of his sealed case of SE then?
How about the other 200+ higher end titles that he claims to also have sealed cases of? Having a few sealed cases doesn't mean he has everything he says he has. Until there is proof.
I have.
It's actually closer to 700 cases. Those that have been around for the last decade know that. Trust me, I understand the skepticism. I do. The fact is, I am, and have been, friends with him for years. There's nobody closer in the collecting community to him, than me. When has he ever lied? I know he's a polarizing figure but he's never lied to anyone to my knowledge. I'm not trying to start a sh*tstorm here. You can believe it, you can not believe it. That's your personal choice. He has nothing to prove to anyone. I have tried to get him to publish the pics, he just won't. He doesn't care. I've tried to get him to sell some of the crazy high-end stuff, he won't. It is his retirement and his collection. He is a collector and continues to collect games.
That sure sounds like you have seen them first hand to me so I asked you to verify it.
His claims are pretty bold. 700 cases of games isn't that bold and very believable. 200+ cases of THE most expensive 200+ games in the NES library is very bold and it is hard to believe that until someone else besides him has actually seen them.
It might be true it might not. The statement is SO bold that it really shouldn't be stated as fact every time the subject comes up unless it has been verified by someone.
Just take it with a grain of sal. Not as hard (or soft) fact.
I like to believe there's only 26 NWC gold's made, but who knows if the interns made a couple extra ya' know? There's always that "It could happen" thing. If there's no hard evidence but the rumour comes from a reputable source then it's added to the "List of possibilities".
If someone actively collects cases of "grail" level items, then by all means they're the ones who will have cases of grail level items. To put it in other words. I actively hunted the rarest and most exclusive of Star Fox stuff at one point and I had things that shouldn't even have SURVIVED! (Parachute, one of only maybe 10 ever made) and yet there it was in one of only two major Star Fox collector's collections (Elusivrat was the other guy)
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Just to be clear that's not the lot where the cases came from. That was a different sale. Great find tho.
It might be true it might not. The statement is SO bold that it really shouldn't be stated as fact every time the subject comes up unless it has been verified by someone.
If I know it as fact I will state it as fact. You can then make your decision to believe it or not. Doesn't really matter to me.
Well of course the SE cases didn't come from that picture, if we were just discussing how no one has ever seen these cases. Picture is just to show that he probably does have a lot of inventory.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Nah that was the Hawaii lot. A lot of the best games were resealed but that lot doesn't have much to do with anything
Well of course the SE cases didn't come from that picture, if we were just discussing how no one has ever seen these cases. Picture is just to show that he probably does have a lot of inventory.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
I know. From my understanding of the scenario. There was a warehouse find that he found and several other people knew about but for whatever reason (I can check) atwood got it all. I think Bronty knows the story as well. But it was 700+ cases, and that's where the SE case came from. He hasn't sold but a handful from that lot.
Well of course the SE cases didn't come from that picture, if we were just discussing how no one has ever seen these cases. Picture is just to show that he probably does have a lot of inventory.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
a) Tim didn't buy that lot Brian did b) the lot has since been resold by Brian on eBay over the course of years. All that stuff is on the market. The lot was typified by dual white price stickers that had codes rather than prices
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
That looks a lot like the lot from Hawaii that Bronty won on ebay and then the seller refused to sell it to Bronty. If so, there were no SEs in that lot.
I was just talking about this to Dain, the price of SE has been rising a steady 2.2% - 2.25% a month since 2005 all the way up to today.
Pricing a loose cart at $300 in Jan-05 with a monthly raise of 2.5% gets you to $5800 today, which is pretty much on spot with current bounties.
Needs a graph
Wouldn't be linear though, there would be spikes and valleys all along the way. Remember the "Then Record" SE price of $2755 in Jan 2012 by Wrldstrman... and we've more than doubled from there.
Wouldn't be linear though, there would be spikes and valleys all along the way. Remember the "Then Record" SE price of $2755 in Jan 2012 by Wrldstrman... and we've more than doubled from there.
The two big negatives were Skyjing and easycoreawk's copies. Both were super fishy which is why I remember they sold "low" at the time.
Still, I don't think I'm too far off. Not counting the two big fishy negatives, I'm only on average 11% off which isn't bad considering it's a collectible with varying degrees of demand and condition, as well as seasonal factors. (Not counting the first two I'm 14% off on average)
skyjing and easycoreawk's were bought by crabmaster and myself. so in spite of how shady they were as sellers, they ended up in reputable hands! for great prices too!
Since we're on the topic, there was a guy on eBay couple years ago that was selling case fresh games, with pictures of open cases in the listings. He started selling of case fresh copies of Bigfoot, 7-up Spot, Rad Racer 2, Super Mario Bros 2 and more recently Mario Bros. arcade. He claimed to have sealed cases for nearly the entire NES library, including Stadium Events. We don't have proof but my feeling is that there's at least one sealed case of Stadium Events somewhere.
Since we're on the topic, there was a guy on eBay couple years ago that was selling case fresh games, with pictures of open cases in the listings. He started selling of case fresh copies of Bigfoot, 7-up Spot, Rad Racer 2, Super Mario Bros 2 and more recently Mario Bros. arcade. He claimed to have sealed cases for nearly the entire NES library, including Stadium Events. We don't have proof but my feeling is that there's at least one sealed case of Stadium Events somewhere.
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
Yeah, I mean, I WAS going to bid on this but now that I know there is a sealed case out there, I'll just wait for that to be cracked and sold off!
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
Ha true, in the grand scheme of things we are such a small part of the collecting world. I doubt any of the legit bidders have seen this site or thread. Plus AFAIK they won't be sold anytime soon, if ever.
All the largest collections I know of are all private non-internet collections other than DreamTR. But there's a HUGE gap between DreamTR and the "known" runners up.
Comments
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
Would a sealed case sell for more than the ~150k you would get selling them separately, or less because there isn't a buyer willing to pay that much?
I'm thinking less. I doubt there is a buyer out there willing to cough up $30K each for something that they would know has another 5 copies out there. Unless you really wanted to monopolize the market why would you pay more than say $100K for the case? At that price assume 5 buyers at $20K to get your innvestment back and then keep a copy or sell it for your profit. I just don't see 6 buyers @ $30K. Tons of speculation and risk in that scenario as well.
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
This is one of the reason I've begged him to sell this title. I suggested one copy every 12-18 months. Didn't budge
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
That assumes the buyer would break it up too. There isn't a millionaire collecting sealed cases somewhere?
Not anymore ;-)
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
Would a sealed case sell for more than the ~150k you would get selling them separately, or less because there isn't a buyer willing to pay that much?
I believe his old username might have been tatwood if I recall. He and I got off on the wrong foot several times and that's too bad, but I believe his claims. It all started 10-12 years ago with me mistakenly thinking he had been involved in selling someone some resealed stuff and it just went downhill from there. He did show a case of DK, a case of mario, a case of uninvited and four cases of TMNT tourney fighters at one point so there's definitely some cases.
But to answer your question I imagine selling separately would get you the better result. You'd be selling six grails instead of one and able to make six people stretch financially instead of one.
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
Originally posted by: buyatari2
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
Originally posted by: buyatari2
To be clear you are saying that you have seen 6 sealed copies of Stadium Events with your own eyes in his collection.
They are in a sealed case...
I just sent him a mssg asking him to post the pics here. Keep your fingers crossed...
I understand that this is your friend and you want to vouch for him but you still didn't answer the question. Prior to today, have seen this sealed case of NTSC Stadium Events with your own eyes in person or not?
Umm I never claimed to see it in person. Nor am I on trial. Thanks.
You aren't on trial but when you keep poping up in these threads posting that there are 6 more then I and perhaps others here as well just want to get this story straight. In truth it does appear (to me at least) that you DID say you saw them just a few posts up with. "I have"
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
Originally posted by: buyatari2
You have seen pictures of his sealed case of SE then?
How about the other 200+ higher end titles that he claims to also have sealed cases of? Having a few sealed cases doesn't mean he has everything he says he has. Until there is proof.
I have.
It's actually closer to 700 cases. Those that have been around for the last decade know that. Trust me, I understand the skepticism. I do. The fact is, I am, and have been, friends with him for years. There's nobody closer in the collecting community to him, than me. When has he ever lied? I know he's a polarizing figure but he's never lied to anyone to my knowledge. I'm not trying to start a sh*tstorm here. You can believe it, you can not believe it. That's your personal choice. He has nothing to prove to anyone. I have tried to get him to publish the pics, he just won't. He doesn't care. I've tried to get him to sell some of the crazy high-end stuff, he won't. It is his retirement and his collection. He is a collector and continues to collect games.
That sure sounds like you have seen them first hand to me so I asked you to verify it.
His claims are pretty bold. 700 cases of games isn't that bold and very believable. 200+ cases of THE most expensive 200+ games in the NES library is very bold and it is hard to believe that until someone else besides him has actually seen them.
It might be true it might not. The statement is SO bold that it really shouldn't be stated as fact every time the subject comes up unless it has been verified by someone.
I like to believe there's only 26 NWC gold's made, but who knows if the interns made a couple extra ya' know? There's always that "It could happen" thing. If there's no hard evidence but the rumour comes from a reputable source then it's added to the "List of possibilities".
If someone actively collects cases of "grail" level items, then by all means they're the ones who will have cases of grail level items. To put it in other words. I actively hunted the rarest and most exclusive of Star Fox stuff at one point and I had things that shouldn't even have SURVIVED! (Parachute, one of only maybe 10 ever made) and yet there it was in one of only two major Star Fox collector's collections (Elusivrat was the other guy)
http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?64775-Factory-sealed-NES-madness!/page8
Over this lot
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Originally posted by: jonebone
His name was atwoodtm, and this looks like the DP thread where shit hit the fan:
http://forum.digitpress.com/forum...
Over this lot
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Just to be clear that's not the lot where the cases came from. That was a different sale. Great find tho.
Pricing a loose cart at $300 in Jan-05 with a monthly raise of 2.5% gets you to $5800 today, which is pretty much on spot with current bounties.
Originally posted by: buyatari2
It might be true it might not. The statement is SO bold that it really shouldn't be stated as fact every time the subject comes up unless it has been verified by someone.
If I know it as fact I will state it as fact. You can then make your decision to believe it or not. Doesn't really matter to me.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
His name was atwoodtm, and this looks like the DP thread where shit hit the fan:
http://forum.digitpress.com/forum...
Over this lot
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
Nah that was the Hawaii lot. A lot of the best games were resealed but that lot doesn't have much to do with anything
Originally posted by: jonebone
Well of course the SE cases didn't come from that picture, if we were just discussing how no one has ever seen these cases. Picture is just to show that he probably does have a lot of inventory.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
I know. From my understanding of the scenario. There was a warehouse find that he found and several other people knew about but for whatever reason (I can check) atwood got it all. I think Bronty knows the story as well. But it was 700+ cases, and that's where the SE case came from. He hasn't sold but a handful from that lot.
Well of course the SE cases didn't come from that picture, if we were just discussing how no one has ever seen these cases. Picture is just to show that he probably does have a lot of inventory.
Would have liked to see Dov's stuff too, but he never posted a picture of all of his items at once.
a) Tim didn't buy that lot Brian did
b) the lot has since been resold by Brian on eBay over the course of years. All that stuff is on the market. The lot was typified by dual white price stickers that had codes rather than prices
Originally posted by: jonebone
His name was atwoodtm, and this looks like the DP thread where shit hit the fan:
http://forum.digitpress.com/forum...
Over this lot
Too much to read, but it sounds like atwood was either the buyer or seller of that lot, some of which were vintage reseals and that is what started the whole argument.
As for a case of SE, I'd believe that when I see it. Though the appreciating cart and CIB would act as a floor to sealed pricing. Even if you did dump 6 on the market at once, they could only go so cheap.
And to illustrate the age of that thread... someone posted about a $350 SE cart that sat on ebay for 36 hours before someone bought it on the low pictures. And the comment was that it is "slightly better" than the going rate of $400. How times have changed.
That looks a lot like the lot from Hawaii that Bronty won on ebay and then the seller refused to sell it to Bronty. If so, there were no SEs in that lot.
I was just talking about this to Dain, the price of SE has been rising a steady 2.2% - 2.25% a month since 2005 all the way up to today.
Pricing a loose cart at $300 in Jan-05 with a monthly raise of 2.5% gets you to $5800 today, which is pretty much on spot with current bounties.
Needs a graph
Originally posted by: Bronty
Originally posted by: JosephLeo
I was just talking about this to Dain, the price of SE has been rising a steady 2.2% - 2.25% a month since 2005 all the way up to today.
Pricing a loose cart at $300 in Jan-05 with a monthly raise of 2.5% gets you to $5800 today, which is pretty much on spot with current bounties.
Needs a graph
Wouldn't be linear though, there would be spikes and valleys all along the way. Remember the "Then Record" SE price of $2755 in Jan 2012 by Wrldstrman... and we've more than doubled from there.
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=51&catid=34&threadid=61477
Originally posted by: jonebone
Wouldn't be linear though, there would be spikes and valleys all along the way. Remember the "Then Record" SE price of $2755 in Jan 2012 by Wrldstrman... and we've more than doubled from there.
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/...
January 2012 is almost on par though.
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
1
$300.00
1
$403.47
1
$542.62
1
$729.76
1
$981.45
2
$307.50
2
$413.55
2
$556.18
2
$748.00
2
$1,005.98
3
$315.19
3
$423.89
3
$570.09
3
$766.70
3
$1,031.13
4
$323.07
4
$434.49
4
$584.34
4
$785.87
4
$1,056.91
5
$331.14
5
$445.35
5
$598.95
5
$805.52
5
$1,083.33
6
$339.42
6
$456.49
6
$613.92
6
$825.66
6
$1,110.42
7
$347.91
7
$467.90
7
$629.27
7
$846.30
7
$1,138.18
8
$356.61
8
$479.60
8
$645.00
8
$867.46
8
$1,166.63
9
$365.52
9
$491.58
9
$661.13
9
$889.14
9
$1,195.80
10
$374.66
10
$503.87
10
$677.66
10
$911.37
10
$1,225.69
11
$384.03
11
$516.47
11
$694.60
11
$934.16
11
$1,256.33
12
$393.63
12
$529.38
12
$711.96
12
$957.51
12
$1,287.74
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
1
$1,319.94
1
$1,775.17
1
$2,387.40
1
$3,210.79
1
$4,318.16
2
$1,352.94
2
$1,819.55
2
$2,447.09
2
$3,291.06
2
$4,426.11
3
$1,386.76
3
$1,865.04
3
$2,508.27
3
$3,373.34
3
$4,536.77
4
$1,421.43
4
$1,911.66
4
$2,570.97
4
$3,457.67
4
$4,650.19
5
$1,456.96
5
$1,959.45
5
$2,635.25
5
$3,544.11
5
$4,766.44
6
$1,493.39
6
$2,008.44
6
$2,701.13
6
$3,632.72
6
$4,885.60
7
$1,530.72
7
$2,058.65
7
$2,768.66
7
$3,723.54
7
$5,007.74
8
$1,568.99
8
$2,110.12
8
$2,837.87
8
$3,816.62
8
$5,132.94
9
$1,608.21
9
$2,162.87
9
$2,908.82
9
$3,912.04
9
$5,261.26
10
$1,648.42
10
$2,216.94
10
$2,981.54
10
$4,009.84
10
$5,392.79
11
$1,689.63
11
$2,272.37
11
$3,056.08
11
$4,110.09
11
$5,527.61
12
$1,731.87
12
$2,329.17
12
$3,132.48
12
$4,212.84
12
$5,665.80
But if you really do like working the numbers, why don't you back test some of Penguin's data points and see how they shake out.
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=48839
...whoops, huge difference.
My initial post was wrong then
Let's see...
Mine
Actual
Difference
$2,058.65
$2,025.00
-1.66%
$2,162.87
$2,125.00
-1.78%
$2,387.40
$2,755.00
13.34%
$2,508.27
$2,050.00
-22.35%
$2,508.27
$2,850.00
11.99%
$2,635.25
$3,250.00
18.92%
$2,981.54
$3,606.00
17.32%
$3,132.48
$2,600.00
-20.48%
$3,544.11
$4,050.00
12.49%
$4,426.11
$4,700.00
5.83%
$4,536.77
$5,600.00
18.99%
$5,261.26
$6,150.00
14.45%
The two big negatives were Skyjing and easycoreawk's copies. Both were super fishy which is why I remember they sold "low" at the time.
Still, I don't think I'm too far off. Not counting the two big fishy negatives, I'm only on average 11% off which isn't bad considering it's a collectible with varying degrees of demand and condition, as well as seasonal factors. (Not counting the first two I'm 14% off on average)
I wonder if the limitations will prevent snipes.
Originally posted by: mdesynz
Since we're on the topic, there was a guy on eBay couple years ago that was selling case fresh games, with pictures of open cases in the listings. He started selling of case fresh copies of Bigfoot, 7-up Spot, Rad Racer 2, Super Mario Bros 2 and more recently Mario Bros. arcade. He claimed to have sealed cases for nearly the entire NES library, including Stadium Events. We don't have proof but my feeling is that there's at least one sealed case of Stadium Events somewhere.
They are one in the same.
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
Yeah, I mean, I WAS going to bid on this but now that I know there is a sealed case out there, I'll just wait for that to be cracked and sold off!
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
You are essentially more than doubling the known population of this title sealed. In this case I think you'd see the price decrease. How much I have no idea...
Didnt you already double it by confirming the case exists, so the one selling right now should adjust for that?
Ha true, in the grand scheme of things we are such a small part of the collecting world. I doubt any of the legit bidders have seen this site or thread. Plus AFAIK they won't be sold anytime soon, if ever.