I always thought i was a leaning towards a more negative person, but the internet has taught me different because just wow. I was entertained tonight. Thats really i ask for in a show. Just because my prediction might not come true or they did sonething unexpected, doesnt mean you have to hate it. The first reaction to people getting something unexpected is always negative. Its sad.
Seriously though, the battle was intense. Arya roaming Winterfell definitely felt like a zombie movie. I didn't think it would be her to kill the Night King though.
I knew Theon was going to die, but he did it knowing that he died protecting Bran and his home. Jorah dying was tough, but knew it was going to happen.
Now that the battle is over, what will all the characters do? And will they all band together to take down Cersei?
I always thought i was a leaning towards a more negative person, but the internet has taught me different because just wow. I was entertained tonight. Thats really i ask for in a show. Just because my prediction might not come true or they did sonething unexpected, doesnt mean you have to hate it. The first reaction to people getting something unexpected is always negative. Its sad.
I never said I hate it, cool your jets. It's an entertaining show. I'd not invest so much time into something I'd dismiss as shit offhandedly at the last minute.
As I said, I really enjoyed the last two episodes. Hell, I enjoyed this episode.
Just cuz I'm disappointed in something doesn't mean I hate it.
Did your parents get disappointed in you as a kid and you just assumed they hated you, thus?
And again, I already said this but I'll repeat - they could totally turn it around and surprise me. It's STILL one of the best shows I've ever watched.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
I'm surprised no one important died, I thought EVERYONE was going to die. The whole episode everyone felt fucked. I was entertained though. The Iron Throne drama is my favorite part of the show. The Night King is cool Darth Maul dude, but meh, we basically got this neat zombie medieval battle movie out of him. I'm happy with that. It definitely feels a way too "tidy" ending though.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
+1
Disapointed.
Woah who could have predicted that.
The first few seasons were just so good. What happened?
Well you can’t quit now.
At this point we have to ride it out and hope that they reclaim a little lost glory before it ends.
Please tell me why Cersei just got the gold company to fight the white walkers??? You guys are all drunk on death this all makes perfect sense. It's episode 3 there has to be something left for Cersei also she is so fucked Arya is gonna get her so good!!!
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
I was certain Jaime was gonna be dead when they showed a crowd of walkers pile over him but the gold shines thru!
Also the books are millions time better then the show because how he writes from a characters perspective you get all the great tidbits my favorite character is the same in the books and show Arya stark.
I'm really curious to what bran was doing when his eyes where white and if he actually killed the knight king with Arya.
Also I'm pretty sure Adam is right about the children of the forest making the white walkers somehow
Watching the episode, I was in awe the entire time. They did an amazing job building up the tension. The part where the Dothraki charge in and their sword flames go out one by one was incredibly eerie, and the tsunami of the undead washing over the armies were authentically terrifying.
But after sitting on the episode for a bit, I do get why everyone is complaining. There is absolutely no way that all of those people should still be alive. We saw numerous scenes of Sam just lying there basically flailing around. There is no way that guy should still be alive. In a battle that big with that many casualties, more of the bigger names should have died. For a good chunk of the episode, I thought they were actually going to completely obliterate the North with maybe just Jon and Dany surviving. When the undead originally charged and we saw all these characters basically drowning in corpses I thought that was pretty much it for them. It just felt weird when everyone else around them is dead but they're still fine.
Arya's scenes were great. The scene where she was sneaking around was perfect. Like others have been saying I wish that we found out more about the Night King. That scene with him and Bran was so intense, I thought it would give us some kind of answers or some kind of twist. But I'm glad Arya was the one to kill him and save her brother. I don't think Bran was controlling her at all. If Bran was controlling her I don't think she would have been able to pull off that smooth dagger move. His purpose was to lure the Night King, and that's what he did.
Personally I think the funniest thing was everyone was like "oh yeah the crypts are screwed everyone is going to die"... and then it turns out the crypts were actually pretty safe for the most part lol
All in all, great episode. I'd give it a 9. I just wish more prominent characters died because it seems strange so many of them survived that battle for anything other than the very obvious plot armor. I'm imagining more of them will die in the coming battle at King's Landing, but this just seemed like the right time to kill off so many of them because it was just such a terrifying battle that seemed unwinnable. The battle against Cersei, while I'm sure will still be amazing, doesn't have nearly the same weight to it as literally fighting for the entire human race.
Wow, just wow, truly an amazing piece of entertainment. I've caught up on all the comments here and just have the following to say to spice things up:
- Bran knew to give Arya the dagger, as he could see this entire war in advance. Crazy - it makes you question why he didnt say anything - and that's because if he did, it would change the way it all went down and mess it up. This tells me he lied to the group when he said he didn't know if Dragonfire could kill the Night King lol.
- I still want to know what Bran was doing when he was Worging - he said "I have to go now" - but why? Just to fly some Ravens around "watching" the Night King?
- Seems Melisandre could see the full war in advance too, so maybe she can see a certain length into the future as she's made some poor decisions in the past. Her painfully slow walk up to the trenches to light them on fire leads me to believe she knew exactly how much time she had.
- Tormund is alive
- There are 3 episodes left, I think somebody mentioned 4. I envision the Golden Army somehow turning on Cersei.
- Bran was not controlling Arya, his eyes were normal when he witnessed the NK's defeat.
- Cersei got the Golden Army to fight for the throne, not the While Walkers, I believe
- Both Dragons and Ghost are alive - confirmed in the E4 trailer
SOOOO Much more i could mention if I had time lol. I also agree it was a bit of let down that virtually no A-listers died, however I guarantee many of their deaths by series end.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
Yesterday's was better than the first two episodes, but still a little weak. The main thing that bothered me was that the several main characters had their back against the wall, and seemed to be in situation where they were about to die, and then they stretched that out for 40 min and no one died. I feel like they should have had more war tactics to slow the pace of the episode or something before the army of the dead got the upper hand.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
Idk, I think it's dangerous to grade the show based on the book - they are two different entities. I have not read the books, but understand they are not entirely followed and there is a ton of stuff in the books that nevers comes to fruition in the show. If you legitimately expected explanations and tie-offs of every single breadcrumb, then your expectations might be at fault. My thoughts are catering to book readers and the lore is one thing, while the show has boundaries and are catering to paying HBO subscribers. In my opinion the cinematic version is doing a swell job of handling the large ticket political pieces. This is the most entertaining show I have ever watched, but had I read the books and had invested expectations I might feel differently.
Also, they are planning spinoffs and/or prequels to keep milking the cash cow - maybe some of these loose ends will be handled there.
Yesterday's was better than the first two episodes, but still a little weak. The main thing that bothered me was that the several main characters had their back against the wall, and seemed to be in situation where they were about to die, and then they stretched that out for 40 min and no one died. I feel like they should have had more war tactics to slow the pace of the episode or something before the army of the dead got the upper hand.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
I agree there should have been more death given the magnitude of the war (and how dominant the walkers were). My only thoughts are that they are trying to keep us guessing at who will sit on the throne at the end, instead of eliminating some of those candidates in the middle of the season.
With the A/B listers remaining, it's fun to think that they all have some purpose remaining. But am quite surprised C-listers like Gendry and Podrick didn't fall. I fully expected Brienne after she was knighted, and Grey Worm for obvious reasons.
I will watch this episode again but after one view here are a few thoughts I had.
Arya did have the best battle scenes. I didn't like the ending where she just walks past an army of white walkers undetected. Jon Snow was robbed of a poetic ending. The Night King wasn't even on Arya's list. Lol.
The view of flames rising up from the swords and trenches like a wave was spectacular. The flames all going out one by one was creepy but the whole calvary battle scene was unjustified unless they didn't know what they were up against.
You don't leave a fortified position to lead a battle against superior forces with a suicide charge of unsupported troops. Keep the calvary in support. You know that point in the battle when you are falling back and you blow the horn or wave the flag and "send in the calvary" reinforcements.
A few times we would see heroes suffocating in undead only to pan away or pan out to again see them with room to move. You can do it but we need to see how it happened.
The crypts are overrun. No one of any importance dies there. Here we have a chance to throw in a few dramatic scenes in the light where we can actually see some of action but instead we focus on Sansa and Tyrion holding hands telling each other love poems. There should have been a final stand by someone or an outright slaughter and either way we should have seen it.
Where are they going with the Sansa Tyrion thing anyway? Perhaps they do have plans for her I was thinking she was expendable and would die soon before tonight.
Lady Mormont's battle with the giant was ok. It falls short if you were compare it with say Frodo's cave troll battle in the mines of Moria. Now that was a great battle scene.
Jon Snow was caught by the dead with nowhere to move. Then we pan in and he has plenty of room to fight. Then the dragon swoops in killing everyone on all sides except him. If that is the storyline fine but poor execution. It comes off as unbelievable. We see the same thing elsewhere with others.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
Idk, I think it's dangerous to grade the show based on the book - they are two different entities. I have not read the books, but understand they are not entirely followed and there is a ton of stuff in the books that nevers comes to fruition in the show. If you legitimately expected explanations and tie-offs of every single breadcrumb, then your expectations might be at fault. My thoughts are catering to book readers and the lore is one thing, while the show has boundaries and are catering to paying HBO subscribers. In my opinion the cinematic version is doing a swell job of handling the large ticket political pieces. This is the most entertaining show I have ever watched, but had I read the books and had invested expectations I might feel differently.
Also, they are planning spinoffs and/or prequels to keep milking the cash cow - maybe some of these loose ends will be handled there.
I did not read the books either.
All I know is that the show has a major change in feel and direction and that is all I have as to why.
Yeah the spinoffs do play apart when they want a particular actor and can’t use them later if they die in this story.
Yesterday's was better than the first two episodes, but still a little weak. The main thing that bothered me was that the several main characters had their back against the wall, and seemed to be in situation where they were about to die, and then they stretched that out for 40 min and no one died. I feel like they should have had more war tactics to slow the pace of the episode or something before the army of the dead got the upper hand.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
I agree there should have been more death given the magnitude of the war (and how dominant the walkers were). My only thoughts are that they are trying to keep us guessing at who will sit on the throne at the end, instead of eliminating some of those candidates in the middle of the season.
With the A/B listers remaining, it's fun to think that they all have some purpose remaining. But am quite surprised C-listers like Gendry and Podrick didn't fall. I fully expected Brienne after she was knighted, and Grey Worm for obvious reasons.
Is grey worm dead? He was outside when the doors were sealed before the dead broke the line.
He should be dead but we didn’t see him die and we didn’t see him escape either.
Agree Buyatari, especially with Jon Snow and Sansa. They could have killed Sansa after her and Tyrion had a heart felt moment. That would have been sad because she fixed her relationship with Arya and all the remaing Stark kids are reunited. They could have killed either Sam or Tilly and left the other one alive. They could have had Jon Snow and Arya fight back to back against a bunch of white walkers.
I will say that the show is in an interesting position since most of the "good" sides army is dead and Cersi has her new army and the Mountain.
I had to watch the show when it aired since it would be spoiled on Facebook( I know stay off Facebook then). On that note like five people posted huge parts right after it.
The night scene was very cool but the lighting just didn't work with that craze of people.
I will watch this episode again but after one view here are a few thoughts I had.
Arya did have the best battle scenes. I didn't like the ending where she just walks past an army of white walkers undetected. Jon Snow was robbed of a poetic ending. The Night King wasn't even on Arya's list. Lol.
The view of flames rising up from the swords and trenches like a wave was spectacular. The flames all going out one by one was creepy but the whole calvary battle scene was unjustified unless they didn't know what they were up against.
You don't leave a fortified position to lead a battle against superior forces with a suicide charge of unsupported troops. Keep the calvary in support. You know that point in the battle when you are falling back and you blow the horn or wave the flag and "send in the calvary" reinforcements.
A few times we would see heroes suffocating in undead only to pan away or pan out to again see them with room to move. You can do it but we need to see how it happened.
The crypts are overrun. No one of any importance dies there. Here we have a chance to throw in a few dramatic scenes in the light where we can actually see some of action but instead we focus on Sansa and Tyrion holding hands telling each other love poems. There should have been a final stand by someone or an outright slaughter and either way we should have seen it.
Where are they going with the Sansa Tyrion thing anyway? Perhaps they do have plans for her I was thinking she was expendable and would die soon before tonight.
Lady Mormont's battle with the giant was ok. It falls short if you were compare it with say Frodo's cave troll battle in the mines of Moria. Now that was a great battle scene.
Jon Snow was caught by the dead with nowhere to move. Then we pan in and he has plenty of room to fight. Then the dragon swoops in killing everyone on all sides except him. If that is the storyline fine but poor execution. It comes off as unbelievable. We see the same thing elsewhere with others.
I’d have to put Arya at the very top of the list of killers and the dash towards the knight king kinda told me that only he had the awareness to stop a death kill from Arya mid attack to be outbested.
Also you are spot on with the hero’s getting overrun then the next shot they are regrouping showing how awesome they are while there’s a never ending hoard of dead
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Seriously though, the battle was intense. Arya roaming Winterfell definitely felt like a zombie movie. I didn't think it would be her to kill the Night King though.
I knew Theon was going to die, but he did it knowing that he died protecting Bran and his home. Jorah dying was tough, but knew it was going to happen.
Now that the battle is over, what will all the characters do? And will they all band together to take down Cersei?
I always thought i was a leaning towards a more negative person, but the internet has taught me different because just wow. I was entertained tonight. Thats really i ask for in a show. Just because my prediction might not come true or they did sonething unexpected, doesnt mean you have to hate it. The first reaction to people getting something unexpected is always negative. Its sad.
I never said I hate it, cool your jets. It's an entertaining show. I'd not invest so much time into something I'd dismiss as shit offhandedly at the last minute.
As I said, I really enjoyed the last two episodes. Hell, I enjoyed this episode.
Just cuz I'm disappointed in something doesn't mean I hate it.
Did your parents get disappointed in you as a kid and you just assumed they hated you, thus?
And again, I already said this but I'll repeat - they could totally turn it around and surprise me. It's STILL one of the best shows I've ever watched.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
+1
Disapointed.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
+1
Disapointed.
Woah who could have predicted that.
I'll be honest, I am a bit disappointed. I was really hoping that the hints G.R.R.M. gave really early on about his inspiration was a nod to some Hamlet-level shit.
I was really hoping for the utter annihilation of Westeros.
It hearkens back to my disappointment in Attack on Titan - the original plan for that was for everyone to die, but then the Mangaka decided against it because it got popular. I really like where it's gone regardless, but it's also sorta back to just another story.
It's a fine episode I guess, but overall I am disappointed. There's still a chance in the next 4 episodes to turn it around and bring it back to a depressing ending but I''m just not seeing it. We're essentially dealing with good vs evil here.
Big fuckin' battle against the army of the dead and not a single A-Lister dead.
+1
Disapointed.
Woah who could have predicted that.
The first few seasons were just so good. What happened?
Well you can’t quit now.
At this point we have to ride it out and hope that they reclaim a little lost glory before it ends.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
Also the books are millions time better then the show because how he writes from a characters perspective you get all the great tidbits my favorite character is the same in the books and show Arya stark.
I'm really curious to what bran was doing when his eyes where white and if he actually killed the knight king with Arya.
Also I'm pretty sure Adam is right about the children of the forest making the white walkers somehow
But after sitting on the episode for a bit, I do get why everyone is complaining. There is absolutely no way that all of those people should still be alive. We saw numerous scenes of Sam just lying there basically flailing around. There is no way that guy should still be alive. In a battle that big with that many casualties, more of the bigger names should have died. For a good chunk of the episode, I thought they were actually going to completely obliterate the North with maybe just Jon and Dany surviving. When the undead originally charged and we saw all these characters basically drowning in corpses I thought that was pretty much it for them. It just felt weird when everyone else around them is dead but they're still fine.
Arya's scenes were great. The scene where she was sneaking around was perfect. Like others have been saying I wish that we found out more about the Night King. That scene with him and Bran was so intense, I thought it would give us some kind of answers or some kind of twist. But I'm glad Arya was the one to kill him and save her brother. I don't think Bran was controlling her at all. If Bran was controlling her I don't think she would have been able to pull off that smooth dagger move. His purpose was to lure the Night King, and that's what he did.
Personally I think the funniest thing was everyone was like "oh yeah the crypts are screwed everyone is going to die"... and then it turns out the crypts were actually pretty safe for the most part lol
All in all, great episode. I'd give it a 9. I just wish more prominent characters died because it seems strange so many of them survived that battle for anything other than the very obvious plot armor. I'm imagining more of them will die in the coming battle at King's Landing, but this just seemed like the right time to kill off so many of them because it was just such a terrifying battle that seemed unwinnable. The battle against Cersei, while I'm sure will still be amazing, doesn't have nearly the same weight to it as literally fighting for the entire human race.
- Bran knew to give Arya the dagger, as he could see this entire war in advance. Crazy - it makes you question why he didnt say anything - and that's because if he did, it would change the way it all went down and mess it up. This tells me he lied to the group when he said he didn't know if Dragonfire could kill the Night King lol.
- I still want to know what Bran was doing when he was Worging - he said "I have to go now" - but why? Just to fly some Ravens around "watching" the Night King?
- Seems Melisandre could see the full war in advance too, so maybe she can see a certain length into the future as she's made some poor decisions in the past. Her painfully slow walk up to the trenches to light them on fire leads me to believe she knew exactly how much time she had.
- Tormund is alive
- There are 3 episodes left, I think somebody mentioned 4. I envision the Golden Army somehow turning on Cersei.
- Bran was not controlling Arya, his eyes were normal when he witnessed the NK's defeat.
- Cersei got the Golden Army to fight for the throne, not the While Walkers, I believe
- Both Dragons and Ghost are alive - confirmed in the E4 trailer
SOOOO Much more i could mention if I had time lol. I also agree it was a bit of let down that virtually no A-listers died, however I guarantee many of their deaths by series end.
P.S. - Cleganebowl is going down boomshakalaka!
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Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
Idk, I think it's dangerous to grade the show based on the book - they are two different entities. I have not read the books, but understand they are not entirely followed and there is a ton of stuff in the books that nevers comes to fruition in the show. If you legitimately expected explanations and tie-offs of every single breadcrumb, then your expectations might be at fault. My thoughts are catering to book readers and the lore is one thing, while the show has boundaries and are catering to paying HBO subscribers. In my opinion the cinematic version is doing a swell job of handling the large ticket political pieces. This is the most entertaining show I have ever watched, but had I read the books and had invested expectations I might feel differently.
Also, they are planning spinoffs and/or prequels to keep milking the cash cow - maybe some of these loose ends will be handled there.
Yesterday's was better than the first two episodes, but still a little weak. The main thing that bothered me was that the several main characters had their back against the wall, and seemed to be in situation where they were about to die, and then they stretched that out for 40 min and no one died. I feel like they should have had more war tactics to slow the pace of the episode or something before the army of the dead got the upper hand.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
I agree there should have been more death given the magnitude of the war (and how dominant the walkers were). My only thoughts are that they are trying to keep us guessing at who will sit on the throne at the end, instead of eliminating some of those candidates in the middle of the season.
With the A/B listers remaining, it's fun to think that they all have some purpose remaining. But am quite surprised C-listers like Gendry and Podrick didn't fall. I fully expected Brienne after she was knighted, and Grey Worm for obvious reasons.
Arya did have the best battle scenes. I didn't like the ending where she just walks past an army of white walkers undetected. Jon Snow was robbed of a poetic ending. The Night King wasn't even on Arya's list. Lol.
The view of flames rising up from the swords and trenches like a wave was spectacular. The flames all going out one by one was creepy but the whole calvary battle scene was unjustified unless they didn't know what they were up against.
You don't leave a fortified position to lead a battle against superior forces with a suicide charge of unsupported troops. Keep the calvary in support. You know that point in the battle when you are falling back and you blow the horn or wave the flag and "send in the calvary" reinforcements.
A few times we would see heroes suffocating in undead only to pan away or pan out to again see them with room to move. You can do it but we need to see how it happened.
The crypts are overrun. No one of any importance dies there. Here we have a chance to throw in a few dramatic scenes in the light where we can actually see some of action but instead we focus on Sansa and Tyrion holding hands telling each other love poems. There should have been a final stand by someone or an outright slaughter and either way we should have seen it.
Where are they going with the Sansa Tyrion thing anyway? Perhaps they do have plans for her I was thinking she was expendable and would die soon before tonight.
Lady Mormont's battle with the giant was ok. It falls short if you were compare it with say Frodo's cave troll battle in the mines of Moria. Now that was a great battle scene.
Jon Snow was caught by the dead with nowhere to move. Then we pan in and he has plenty of room to fight. Then the dragon swoops in killing everyone on all sides except him. If that is the storyline fine but poor execution. It comes off as unbelievable. We see the same thing elsewhere with others.
Also the non story on knight king makes sense read the book of you want back story on him
With that argument I could just read the books and not watch any of the show.
Well to be honest, yea you actually could. Books go deeper into alot of the material. Alot of extra books for more lore as well. I dont see what the problem is with them wanting to eliminate man. They were building an army. Waiting for a way to get past the wall. He probably foresaw the dragon arriving. Got him and then marched down.
Please advise me on what more purpose they could have had? They shreik as a language. Who was supposed to gove us the exposition?
I thought that the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy man because man was destructive to them and to nature.
The night king is like 10,000 years old. He isn't a single minded unthinking beast like the wraiths. He interacts and reacts to the characters he comes accross. All of his actions are measured and calculated. What we he doing for 9,992 years?? Why now? They speak a different language so I guess we can't know, really? He somehow was able to communicate his agreement with that one guy to give him all of his sons.
My concern was they were going to do just this, give us nothing on the night king because there are so few episodes left, then do a prequeal series that happens around the first men, chiclden of the forest and the orgin of the night king.
And what they hell happened to ghost? He just dies off screen like an unnammed dothraki? That would be some pretty awesome storytelling too.
The show was awesome until it caught up with the books. Once that happened the show felt forced or rushed. Events didn’t feel to happen as naturally as they did before. It felt like some events only happened to let us (the audience) know that these events happened so the story could progress. Other took much longer than they should have as if these producers were stalling until they had an answer to how it would play out next season.
Did Martin get writers block or refuse to share all his ideas for how the book series would all end? Did the producers of the show feel they had enough to go and could do it better without him or his books as the blueprint? Did outside forces (actors waning to move on or wanting more moneyetc) require a faster ending than was possible at the current rate?
I dont know the answer but the show is different. Loose ends exist. Detailed conversations that don’t mean much take up valuable screen time while important questions go unanswered. I fear you will either have to go to the books to get your answer or worse that we will get one that doesn’t make much sense crammed down our throats in the last few episodes.
Idk, I think it's dangerous to grade the show based on the book - they are two different entities. I have not read the books, but understand they are not entirely followed and there is a ton of stuff in the books that nevers comes to fruition in the show. If you legitimately expected explanations and tie-offs of every single breadcrumb, then your expectations might be at fault. My thoughts are catering to book readers and the lore is one thing, while the show has boundaries and are catering to paying HBO subscribers. In my opinion the cinematic version is doing a swell job of handling the large ticket political pieces. This is the most entertaining show I have ever watched, but had I read the books and had invested expectations I might feel differently.
Also, they are planning spinoffs and/or prequels to keep milking the cash cow - maybe some of these loose ends will be handled there.
I did not read the books either.
All I know is that the show has a major change in feel and direction and that is all I have as to why.
Yeah the spinoffs do play apart when they want a particular actor and can’t use them later if they die in this story.
Yesterday's was better than the first two episodes, but still a little weak. The main thing that bothered me was that the several main characters had their back against the wall, and seemed to be in situation where they were about to die, and then they stretched that out for 40 min and no one died. I feel like they should have had more war tactics to slow the pace of the episode or something before the army of the dead got the upper hand.
I still have my hopes up, and I am sure it's harder to end a series then write all the bits in the middle.
I agree there should have been more death given the magnitude of the war (and how dominant the walkers were). My only thoughts are that they are trying to keep us guessing at who will sit on the throne at the end, instead of eliminating some of those candidates in the middle of the season.
With the A/B listers remaining, it's fun to think that they all have some purpose remaining. But am quite surprised C-listers like Gendry and Podrick didn't fall. I fully expected Brienne after she was knighted, and Grey Worm for obvious reasons.
Is grey worm dead? He was outside when the doors were sealed before the dead broke the line.
He should be dead but we didn’t see him die and we didn’t see him escape either.
I will say that the show is in an interesting position since most of the "good" sides army is dead and Cersi has her new army and the Mountain.
Jaime, Brienne, Pod, the hound, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, Jon, Daeny.
Dont know about Tormund. Apparently Ghost is in the trailer for the next week's episode, so that's cool.
The night scene was very cool but the lighting just didn't work with that craze of people.
I will watch this episode again but after one view here are a few thoughts I had.
Arya did have the best battle scenes. I didn't like the ending where she just walks past an army of white walkers undetected. Jon Snow was robbed of a poetic ending. The Night King wasn't even on Arya's list. Lol.
The view of flames rising up from the swords and trenches like a wave was spectacular. The flames all going out one by one was creepy but the whole calvary battle scene was unjustified unless they didn't know what they were up against.
You don't leave a fortified position to lead a battle against superior forces with a suicide charge of unsupported troops. Keep the calvary in support. You know that point in the battle when you are falling back and you blow the horn or wave the flag and "send in the calvary" reinforcements.
A few times we would see heroes suffocating in undead only to pan away or pan out to again see them with room to move. You can do it but we need to see how it happened.
The crypts are overrun. No one of any importance dies there. Here we have a chance to throw in a few dramatic scenes in the light where we can actually see some of action but instead we focus on Sansa and Tyrion holding hands telling each other love poems. There should have been a final stand by someone or an outright slaughter and either way we should have seen it.
Where are they going with the Sansa Tyrion thing anyway? Perhaps they do have plans for her I was thinking she was expendable and would die soon before tonight.
Lady Mormont's battle with the giant was ok. It falls short if you were compare it with say Frodo's cave troll battle in the mines of Moria. Now that was a great battle scene.
Jon Snow was caught by the dead with nowhere to move. Then we pan in and he has plenty of room to fight. Then the dragon swoops in killing everyone on all sides except him. If that is the storyline fine but poor execution. It comes off as unbelievable. We see the same thing elsewhere with others.
I’d have to put Arya at the very top of the list of killers and the dash towards the knight king kinda told me that only he had the awareness to stop a death kill from Arya mid attack to be outbested.
Also you are spot on with the hero’s getting overrun then the next shot they are regrouping showing how awesome they are while there’s a never ending hoard of dead