Positive aspects of the CDI and 3DO?
It's quite known that these consoles were received poorly and for the most part have a number of bad games. But do you see anything positive about them?
As the owner of both consoles, I've enjoyed hotel mario, burn cycle, and voyeur on the CDI, and some of the Zeldas aren't too bad. I'm curious if someone out there doesn't mind a number a games including the Zeldas?
I always saw 3DO as underratted, alone in the dark, MYST, Gex, Crash'n'Burn, Need for Speed, RoadRash, Killing time and so on were pretty innovative for their time on this console.
What do you think?
As the owner of both consoles, I've enjoyed hotel mario, burn cycle, and voyeur on the CDI, and some of the Zeldas aren't too bad. I'm curious if someone out there doesn't mind a number a games including the Zeldas?
I always saw 3DO as underratted, alone in the dark, MYST, Gex, Crash'n'Burn, Need for Speed, RoadRash, Killing time and so on were pretty innovative for their time on this console.
What do you think?
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There used to be a guy who made adapters which would let people use regular Genesis controllers on the system, but, unfortunately, he stopped making and sold out of all of his cables about a month before I picked up my system. Kudos to anybody who managed to get on the CD-I bandwagon and have more fun with it than I did.
CD-I was a piece of shit. The 3DO was okay, but almost every single title released for it probably has a similar or better version on another system. Both of the priced themselves right out of the market.
I can't speak to the CD-I as I never saw one back in the 90's but the 3DO I remember seeing with a list price of $800! Absolutely bonkers price point.
I have memories going into Circuit City and drooling over the 3DO display. It really had a wow factor back when it came out.
The CD-i suffered more based on game quality. There are a few good ones, but not enough to justify the price. The 3D0 actually had a decent game library and was often seen as a possible heavy competitor, atleast from what I recall, but because the price point was ridiculously high, it failed. I may be wrong, but I also recall 3D0 having no (or little) first party support, which doesn't help with third parties dishing out games on multiple systems.
If you only like action gaming, it's best avoided. I need a decent controller for it, as all I have is the infrared remote, though I was able to beat Link: The Faces of Evil with just that. My console does have excellent AV out, and I'm impressed by the high quality of the graphic design in the menus, title screens, etc. -- noticeably better than many other 5th-gen games.
The 3DO is a totally different kettle of fish. Unlike almost every other "failed" console, there's basically nothing fundamentally wrong with it: it's a strong piece of hardware for its time, with no obvious flaws. I think of it as a souped-up Sega CD + 32X combo, and in many ways that's how it comes off.
If you like early 3D gaming the 3DO is a treat, and the library is surprisingly large, with a few very strong games (and, to be fair, a bunch of mediocre ones) and some intriguing Japanese exclusives. If you view early 3D as a dinosaur era only worthy of being mocked, well...you shouldn't own anything that came out between the SNES and the Dreamcast anyway.
I play my 3DO about as much as my PlayStation, and rather more than my Saturn or N64. It doesn't hurt that the system has no copy protection to speak of, though rumor has it a very late version of the GoldStar added some form of anti-piracy.
So next time you think of shitting on the CD-i, you should re-think your love for the PS3/360/PS4/Xbone.
I always saw 3DO as underratted, alone in the dark, MYST, Gex, Crash'n'Burn, Need for Speed, RoadRash, Killing time and so on were pretty innovative for their time on this console.
What do you think?
Sounds like a list of early PS1 games that I absolutely never cared about back when I played and collected for that system
If that's the cream of the crop then I surely will never have incentive to get a 3DO
3DO - Road Rash, enough said.
I have both. The CD-i is basically like having an early- to mid-1990s Mac Performa, with a similar game library. If you like puzzlers, strategy titles, and FMV games it actually excels at those, especially FMV games (it's got the best FMV of any console before the PlayStation).
If you only like action gaming, it's best avoided. I need a decent controller for it, as all I have is the infrared remote, though I was able to beat Link: The Faces of Evil with just that. My console does have excellent AV out, and I'm impressed by the high quality of the graphic design in the menus, title screens, etc. -- noticeably better than many other 5th-gen games.
The 3DO is a totally different kettle of fish. Unlike almost every other "failed" console, there's basically nothing fundamentally wrong with it: it's a strong piece of hardware for its time, with no obvious flaws. I think of it as a souped-up Sega CD + 32X combo, and in many ways that's how it comes off.
If you like early 3D gaming the 3DO is a treat, and the library is surprisingly large, with a few very strong games (and, to be fair, a bunch of mediocre ones) and some intriguing Japanese exclusives. If you view early 3D as a dinosaur era only worthy of being mocked, well...you shouldn't own anything that came out between the SNES and the Dreamcast anyway.
I play my 3DO about as much as my PlayStation, and rather more than my Saturn or N64. It doesn't hurt that the system has no copy protection to speak of, though rumor has it a very late version of the GoldStar added some form of anti-piracy.
I have mostly every game i need on the 3do with the expection of a few, all in the long boxes .Funny you mentioned goldstar i had a ton of those mint in box, along with a few new gameguns a few years ago.
The mac performa, which i've got up and running, has some pretty cool exclusive games like the marathon series. Abuse is fun as well.
I still think there have to be people who can see past the bad aspects of the zelda games and actually enjoy them
CDI - Wand of Gamelon, my second favourite Zelda of all time.
3DO - Road Rash, enough said.
I really like the grungey soundtrack of road rash.
CD-I was a piece of shit. The 3DO was okay, but almost every single title released for it probably has a similar or better version on another system. Both of the priced themselves right out of the market.
My thought to the tee.
I cant speak for 3do as ive never owned one, but i do have a cdi and rather large collection. Anyone who disses these systems fails to know all of the aspects. There are quite a few very good games for cdi that also happen to be exclusives. There will always be people who love fmv and those who hate it. I am very nostalgic for that era so therefore, cdi and sega cd compliment each other very nicely. Many of the best games have european releases only so Americans who moan about cdi often fail to know of a good portion of the library and seem hellbent on the zelda titles as if nothing else exists for the philips console.
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
I cant speak for 3do as ive never owned one, but i do have a cdi and rather large collection. Anyone who disses these systems fails to know all of the aspects. There are quite a few very good games for cdi that also happen to be exclusives. There will always be people who love fmv and those who hate it. I am very nostalgic for that era so therefore, cdi and sega cd compliment each other very nicely. Many of the best games have european releases only so Americans who moan about cdi often fail to know of a good portion of the library and seem hellbent on the zelda titles as if nothing else exists for the philips console.
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
You also needed the right graphics and sound card for many fmv games and that didn't always work, or work well, even on new computers at the time. So it could be a pain the ass to run. Half my boxed dos fmv games wont even run on my old working dos machine because of this issue. You have to reinstall graphics cards, change settings many times just to run a single game.
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
If you're going to bring the PC into it, you're going to either get pissed off or piss off a whole lot of people, as a lot of beloved console games are/were nearly always garbage compared to PC equivalents/counterparts.
Having lived in a household which had an IBM PC compatible system since the early/mid-80s, I figured out DOS and played computer games long before I got my hands on an NES, let alone the follow up systems. As such, I can say that compared to PC FPS games of the time, Goldeneye was and is comparatively absolute trash. Neat characters, neat story, abysmal gameplay, controls, etc. The same goes for StarFox -- LucasArts' X-Wing & TIE Fighter series and Elite/Elite Plus (as well as countless other flight sims) made me wonder why everybody was going nuts for the new, fancy "3D" SNES game. Heck, those same games left me shaking my head at everybody who clamored over the Rebel Assult games--why would you want to play a space flight sim on rails when you could be free to fly wherever, however you wanted so long as you completed your mission?
Comparing the capability of consoles (systems with usually limited, permanently defined specifications) to PCs (which could very nearly always be upgraded to perform better and usually had more horsepower than any console released around the same time) is hardly an apples to apples comparison and sort of misses the point of this discussion entirely.
I cant speak for 3do as ive never owned one, but i do have a cdi and rather large collection. Anyone who disses these systems fails to know all of the aspects. There are quite a few very good games for cdi that also happen to be exclusives. There will always be people who love fmv and those who hate it. I am very nostalgic for that era so therefore, cdi and sega cd compliment each other very nicely. Many of the best games have european releases only so Americans who moan about cdi often fail to know of a good portion of the library and seem hellbent on the zelda titles as if nothing else exists for the philips console.
In my experience, the vast majority of the CD-I complainers have never actually interacted with one. These days, nearly every one that I run into basically regurgitates the AVGN's complaints about it without ever actually having played anything, let alone seen or handled a system. I honestly think I'd have a higher opinion of the system were I actually able to plug some sort of moderately functional controller into it but still don't hate it.
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
If you're going to bring the PC into it, you're going to either get pissed off or piss off a whole lot of people, as a lot of beloved console games are/were nearly always garbage compared to PC equivalents/counterparts.
Having lived in a household which had an IBM PC compatible system since the early/mid-80s, I figured out DOS and played computer games long before I got my hands on an NES, let alone the follow up systems. As such, I can say that compared to PC FPS games of the time, Goldeneye was and is comparatively absolute trash. Neat characters, neat story, abysmal gameplay, controls, etc. The same goes for StarFox -- LucasArts' X-Wing & TIE Fighter series and Elite/Elite Plus (as well as countless other flight sims) made me wonder why everybody was going nuts for the new, fancy "3D" SNES game. Heck, those same games left me shaking my head at everybody who clamored over the Rebel Assult games--why would you want to play a space flight sim on rails when you could be free to fly wherever, however you wanted so long as you completed your mission?
Comparing the capability of consoles (systems with usually limited, permanently defined specifications) to PCs (which could very nearly always be upgraded to perform better and usually had more horsepower than any console released around the same time) is hardly an apples to apples comparison and sort of misses the point of this discussion entirely.
I agree, and I've been one of the few people around here that would says Goldeneye was a steaming peice of shit compared to the PC FPS games that came out even years before. Goldeneye was only good to people who didn't know any better. Yeah and I know that will piss off a whole bunch of people too.
I also think it's perfectly acceptable to compare consoles to PC gaming, especailly when the console costs $700+ like the CD-I and 3DO did.
Originally posted by: pegboy
Originally posted by: darkchylde28
Originally posted by: pegboy
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
If you're going to bring the PC into it, you're going to either get pissed off or piss off a whole lot of people, as a lot of beloved console games are/were nearly always garbage compared to PC equivalents/counterparts.
Having lived in a household which had an IBM PC compatible system since the early/mid-80s, I figured out DOS and played computer games long before I got my hands on an NES, let alone the follow up systems. As such, I can say that compared to PC FPS games of the time, Goldeneye was and is comparatively absolute trash. Neat characters, neat story, abysmal gameplay, controls, etc. The same goes for StarFox -- LucasArts' X-Wing & TIE Fighter series and Elite/Elite Plus (as well as countless other flight sims) made me wonder why everybody was going nuts for the new, fancy "3D" SNES game. Heck, those same games left me shaking my head at everybody who clamored over the Rebel Assult games--why would you want to play a space flight sim on rails when you could be free to fly wherever, however you wanted so long as you completed your mission?
Comparing the capability of consoles (systems with usually limited, permanently defined specifications) to PCs (which could very nearly always be upgraded to perform better and usually had more horsepower than any console released around the same time) is hardly an apples to apples comparison and sort of misses the point of this discussion entirely.
I agree, and I've been one of the few people around here that would says Goldeneye was a steaming peice of shit compared to the PC FPS games that came out even years before. Goldeneye was only good to people who didn't know any better. Yeah and I know that will piss off a whole bunch of people too.
I also think it's perfectly acceptable to compare consoles to PC gaming, especailly when the console costs $700+ like the CD-I and 3DO did.
How many copies did Goldeneye sell? A lot of people didn't know any better, myself included. PC gaming did not exist for many people during that time.
The N64 was much cheaper than a PC (and internet) back then so it was a perfect game for that console/era. You can't beat the local multiplayer.
I also think that the misson structure and objectives were very detailed and fresh at the time. I can still boot it up and have a blast, even with the control scheme (which I never really thought was an issue). Plus the music is phenomenal.
Early FMV era games were done much better on the PC. A much larger portion of "gamers" seems to pretend that PC gaming didn't or doesn't exist.
If you're going to bring the PC into it, you're going to either get pissed off or piss off a whole lot of people, as a lot of beloved console games are/were nearly always garbage compared to PC equivalents/counterparts.
Having lived in a household which had an IBM PC compatible system since the early/mid-80s, I figured out DOS and played computer games long before I got my hands on an NES, let alone the follow up systems. As such, I can say that compared to PC FPS games of the time, Goldeneye was and is comparatively absolute trash. Neat characters, neat story, abysmal gameplay, controls, etc. The same goes for StarFox -- LucasArts' X-Wing & TIE Fighter series and Elite/Elite Plus (as well as countless other flight sims) made me wonder why everybody was going nuts for the new, fancy "3D" SNES game. Heck, those same games left me shaking my head at everybody who clamored over the Rebel Assult games--why would you want to play a space flight sim on rails when you could be free to fly wherever, however you wanted so long as you completed your mission?
Comparing the capability of consoles (systems with usually limited, permanently defined specifications) to PCs (which could very nearly always be upgraded to perform better and usually had more horsepower than any console released around the same time) is hardly an apples to apples comparison and sort of misses the point of this discussion entirely.
As someone who has pretty big retro collections of both retro computers and consoles, in my personal opinion, I would say retro consoles, with the flaws considered, had better games overall due to stronger titles and gameplay elements, the ability to load games with ease, and they were just dedicated for games, whereas computers, which had many specific superior games to consoles, still weren't solely made for gaming, had a lot more issues with comptability and quality control overall.
The 3DO price dropped pretty quickly, IIRC, even before the PlayStation debuted in the US. It didn't stay at $699 for more than 6 months, and I've read that when the PlayStation came out, they were the same price. Of course, the PlayStation has a huge hardware advantage over the 3DO in most aspects, though surprisingly not all.
Just not any worthwhile games. I think the only reason we haven't sold the 3DO yet is because my husband has some fondness for Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. I say sell it.
It's also quite easy to find here and pretty cheap.
I would bet if any of you came over to my house and had a couple beers while playing the CD-i with me, you would have an amazing time. It is a great attention grabber and a real challenge to collect for.
Slayer on the 3DO is something I still want, mostly due to the case boxart
I heard that's one of the best games on the 3DO