Matti - I have cancelled the Paypal claim and you have received 100% payout from paypal of $2100 USD.
This is funny how the story keeps changing. I just heard from a third party you talk to that you cannot seem to cancel it because there is my appeal on the way...
Well, why did you said the paypal people already said to you the money is guaranteed on my account when now all of a sudden there is some explanation that it is not and you did not make the cancellation because you could not?
Claim was cancelled after I spoke with PP... And representative stated the money was released on friday 12/16.
On saturday 12/17 - I noticed the claim reappeared. When i called - PP stated that "the seller will win the appeal" but because the seller initiated the "appeal" - they need to conduct investigation with seller (and I cant cancel the appeal because I didnt file an appeal).
I got your email. First of all in your email there was nothing new, except that you are not willing to show your paypal payment history for some reason (maybe there will show certain aliexpress payment for Dinopeak cart... Or something else I dont know why you cannot show the latest actions in your account). Another new thing to me was that you state you called Paypal first on friday 16th, and then again on saturday 17th. To me it is weird since saturday is not a paypal service call line business day, I tried to call them yesterday and the voicemail said that they are open on monday to friday 8 am to 4.30 pm GMT. I might just have a different number then.
Also, if you got frustrated about you thought my dino peak box is a fake, why did you only sent it back and not the original cart and manual. Makes no sense and I am already more laughing than crying on this matter since it keeps getting more and more absurd... I just hope Paypal works things out the right way, and we get this thing sorted.
Also, if paypal closes the case and refunds me based on the police report and appeal, and they dont tell me to ship the fake game and real box back, I will charity auction it here and give all the profits to Nintendoage. This is an awesome community and I respect you all so much.
You will and already should win this case. I have invited to speak with you over the phone/video messaging if you ever want to.
I will respect your wishes to do what you would like with the Dino Peak Box.
As I said, I have heard Paypal sometimes will not get the money back from you since you won the dispute, and they will refund me from appeal from insurance or something like that, if that is the case then I will do with the box as I please, otherwise it will be returned to you naturally. It is what ever Paypal tells me to do next.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
That is ok with me. Community needs to get rid of this kind of stuff. Thanks for the support!
I know this has already been said (multiple times) in the thread, but:
Hayn: you are only sorry because you got caught (basically thanks to the NA community). You have little integrity if you run a racket like a game wheel, and probably zero integrity after trying to scam someone (Pheidian) out of a high value item. You then apologize over a forum (as PR to try to save your image) and then offer Pheidian to go out of his way to call/video message/email you to clarify things; how about you go out of your fucking way to send over a (fake) sincere apology to him, not just tell him to contact you to clarify. Even though it sounds like you didn't really give any comfort or valuable information while explaining to Pheidian over email, just digging a deeper hole (which is the nature of scammers).
If you actually want to try to redeem your shit, don't keep giving pussy responses over a forum/emails to Pheidian and paypal. How about you admit that you scammed him OFFICIALLY over paypal. If you are truly sorry, you would do that and face the repercussions that follow (as you are already going to contacted by the police if Pheidian did file a report). Digging a deeper grave now only makes it harder to climb out. If you aren't willing to openly say over the forum/paypal "hey I'm truly sorry I tried to scam you and did sent you back a fake item for my own personal gain" then shut your mouth with your half-ass BS.
I just hope you know that the proof is OPENLY out there even with you deleting/privating/whatevering all of the shit that you think could lead the trail to you; people already screenshotted stuff before you closed shit down. There is proof out there and you best believe it is mostly thanks to Nintendoage. There is no use saying "sorry to the community" over here; you are not part of this community therefore we don't need your apology. Only Pheidian needs you to do right, and that's all. We all want to see you go down for this (which you will and should). You are not going to polish back your name and rep by apologizing over NA as this site is the reason you are in swimming in your own shit right now. All we want is for Pheidian to be made whole again, and I bet most of us want you to get into some kind of legal trouble (I know I do). Hell I never once talked to Pheidian on this site; just remembering seeing posts here and there, but after following this thread from the initial post I am completely on his side (which I'm sure this community as a whole is as well). Just know, again, when you are sitting there trying to figure out ways to snake around this/figure out ways to make people "trust you again"/repair your namesake/worrying about being in legal trouble: NintendoAge is the reason you are fucked right now.
To clarify, I dont know (paypal professional please correct me) if David can cancel a claim that has been closed already. Now it is my appeal on the way, and as Paypal shows, the money has been transfered to David when the case was closed. Shows completed, and my appeal did not change anything, I dont know if they took or not Davids funds back from my appeal or how it works, but to me and what I heard it seems that David has the money now and it is final, Paypal will cope with the loss if I happen to win the appeal (that is why they need the police report).
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
To clarify, I dont know (paypal professional please correct me) if David can cancel a claim that has been closed already. Now it is my appeal on the way, and as Paypal shows, the money has been transfered to David when the case was closed. Shows completed, and my appeal did not change anything, I dont know if they took or not Davids funds back from my appeal or how it works, but to me and what I heard it seems that David has the money now and it is final, Paypal will cope with the loss if I happen to win the appeal (that is why they need the police report).
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
There is a way to officially translate the documents into English since you seemed to mention that you could only get them in Finnish or Swedish. Talk to your lawyer about this. I had to get a Czech version of French documents when trying to get my Czech nationality (I'm ethnically Czech) so I had to translate them officially. I dunno how it's precisely handled since my godmother (who's a lawyer) did everything for me. But I think you would need the same thing, just translating the documents from Finnish to English
...after reading this thread my nerves are wound up!
I feel terrible for Pheidian and furious about the guy who scammed him. The "using raffles to fence stolen goods" thing makes sense but I still don't get one thing: Why show the real box in the game wheel pics if he wasn't sending it to the winner/2nd buyer? Is there some element of truth in this "my winning raffle buyer said it's fake and I believed him" story? If so, that guy caused a TON of grief. I still want to know where that fake cart came from. Was it David or his buyer/raffle winner? David not disclosing his PayPal stuff tells me that he at least attempted some cover-up if he didn't out-right orchestrate all of it.
To clarify, I dont know (paypal professional please correct me) if David can cancel a claim that has been closed already. Now it is my appeal on the way, and as Paypal shows, the money has been transfered to David when the case was closed. Shows completed, and my appeal did not change anything, I dont know if they took or not Davids funds back from my appeal or how it works, but to me and what I heard it seems that David has the money now and it is final, Paypal will cope with the loss if I happen to win the appeal (that is why they need the police report).
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
My heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry to hear about these troubles. This shouldn't ever happen to anyone.
You are dealing with it so much better than I would.
There are no excuses for this behavior but hopefully this person will see the harm he has done and contact you to help heal the wounds he has caused.
I'm looking to jump on a 3-way call tomorrow with HaynHammah and PayPal to see if I can get a 3rd party view at HaynHammah's claims to try and help Pheidian know whether or not HaynHammah has done as he says.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
I'm looking to jump on a 3-way call tomorrow with HaynHammah and PayPal to see if I can get a 3rd party view at HaynHammah's claims to try and help Pheidian know whether or not HaynHammah has done as he says.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
Thanks. That definitely clarifies a few things for me. It still sounds like the raffle winner was genuinely convinced that it was fake when he set all this in motion but it doesn't appear that the winner was trying to scam anyone. If HaynHammah had been more honest from the start and not tried to pull this switcheroo then I'd sympathize a bit with him over what the winner was putting him through over a misunderstanding (not too much because this gambling stuff is still deplorable). As it is he made things much worse and is the only person who has done anything intentionally wrong. What a clusterf**k.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
Daria, do you mind perhaps uploading the photos and posting a public link here? It would be very useful for all parties involved as well as potential future victims HaynHammah has yet to scam, if evidence of his misdeeds are available online.
I am nearly positive Pheidian is not the first person to be ripped off in this scam.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
I know, but I don't buy the idea that the anonymous buyer rejecting the CIB had anything to do with the scam itself.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
Correct. It was HaynHammahs box at that point. Was just pointing out the origin of the box.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
Not an an excuse to scam Pheidian. There's never an excuse for anyone to scam anyone.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
Daria, do you mind perhaps uploading the photos and posting a public link here? It would be very useful for all parties involved as well as potential future victims HaynHammah has yet to scam, if evidence of his misdeeds are available online.
I am nearly positive Pheidian is not the first person to be ripped off in this scam.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
I know, but I don't buy the idea that the anonymous buyer rejecting the CIB had anything to do with the scam itself.
It does seem to explain more of his otherwise inexplicable actions. Occam's Razer, and all that.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
The buyer claimed the box was fake for reasons this guy didn't know or notice before (smell, marking, etc). According to this theory the game's authenticity was never in dispute. The fake game was not part of the dispute between the would-be scammer and the raffle winner. It hadn't come into play and likely hadn't been in any of the three people's hands at that point.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
The buyer claimed the box was fake for reasons this guy didn't know or notice before (smell, marking, etc). According to this theory the game's authenticity was never in dispute. The fake game was not part of the dispute between the would-be scammer and the raffle winner.
Game, box, doesn't matter. You get a $2100 gaming item in your possession, you make sure it's real on the spot, or you're failing at life. If some jerkwad then claims it's fake, you tell them to pound sand.
I also would like to add as stated here that i can accept you come clean with fraud with paypal officially to support all my evidence. Cancelling the claim just shows me that you are now scared of the police of what you have done and cancelling it makes it go away.
It is not some mistake to cancel here. You also stated in the claim that the box has been verified by multiple store owners to it being a fake box. I wonder who these people are that gave that statement on obviously legit box.
I'm looking to jump on a 3-way call tomorrow with HaynHammah and PayPal to see if I can get a 3rd party view at HaynHammah's claims to try and help Pheidian know whether or not HaynHammah has done as he says.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
There might be some truth or half truth to some of this.
One problem I have is this.
The buyer just happened to have a fake F2 cartridge sitting there on hand to send back ?
He owns a fake F2 cart but then buys a real one CIB to raffle off.
Well Whatever man. The goal here isn't to tar and feather someone who isn't even a member here the goal is for Phedian to get justice. As much as some of you would like to do so it might be hard to accomplish both.
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Aloha,
Matti - I have cancelled the Paypal claim and you have received 100% payout from paypal of $2100 USD.
This is funny how the story keeps changing. I just heard from a third party you talk to that you cannot seem to cancel it because there is my appeal on the way...
Well, why did you said the paypal people already said to you the money is guaranteed on my account when now all of a sudden there is some explanation that it is not and you did not make the cancellation because you could not?
On saturday 12/17 - I noticed the claim reappeared. When i called - PP stated that "the seller will win the appeal" but because the seller initiated the "appeal" - they need to conduct investigation with seller (and I cant cancel the appeal because I didnt file an appeal).
Also, if you got frustrated about you thought my dino peak box is a fake, why did you only sent it back and not the original cart and manual. Makes no sense and I am already more laughing than crying on this matter since it keeps getting more and more absurd... I just hope Paypal works things out the right way, and we get this thing sorted.
Also, if paypal closes the case and refunds me based on the police report and appeal, and they dont tell me to ship the fake game and real box back, I will charity auction it here and give all the profits to Nintendoage. This is an awesome community and I respect you all so much.
I have nothing to screenshot on my paypal...
You will and already should win this case. I have invited to speak with you over the phone/video messaging if you ever want to.
I will respect your wishes to do what you would like with the Dino Peak Box.
Matti,
I have nothing to screenshot on my paypal...
You will and already should win this case. I have invited to speak with you over the phone/video messaging if you ever want to.
I will respect your wishes to do what you would like with the Dino Peak Box.
As I said, I have heard Paypal sometimes will not get the money back from you since you won the dispute, and they will refund me from appeal from insurance or something like that, if that is the case then I will do with the box as I please, otherwise it will be returned to you naturally. It is what ever Paypal tells me to do next.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
That is ok with me. Community needs to get rid of this kind of stuff. Thanks for the support!
Hayn: you are only sorry because you got caught (basically thanks to the NA community). You have little integrity if you run a racket like a game wheel, and probably zero integrity after trying to scam someone (Pheidian) out of a high value item. You then apologize over a forum (as PR to try to save your image) and then offer Pheidian to go out of his way to call/video message/email you to clarify things; how about you go out of your fucking way to send over a (fake) sincere apology to him, not just tell him to contact you to clarify. Even though it sounds like you didn't really give any comfort or valuable information while explaining to Pheidian over email, just digging a deeper hole (which is the nature of scammers).
If you actually want to try to redeem your shit, don't keep giving pussy responses over a forum/emails to Pheidian and paypal. How about you admit that you scammed him OFFICIALLY over paypal. If you are truly sorry, you would do that and face the repercussions that follow (as you are already going to contacted by the police if Pheidian did file a report). Digging a deeper grave now only makes it harder to climb out. If you aren't willing to openly say over the forum/paypal "hey I'm truly sorry I tried to scam you and did sent you back a fake item for my own personal gain" then shut your mouth with your half-ass BS.
I just hope you know that the proof is OPENLY out there even with you deleting/privating/whatevering all of the shit that you think could lead the trail to you; people already screenshotted stuff before you closed shit down. There is proof out there and you best believe it is mostly thanks to Nintendoage. There is no use saying "sorry to the community" over here; you are not part of this community therefore we don't need your apology. Only Pheidian needs you to do right, and that's all. We all want to see you go down for this (which you will and should). You are not going to polish back your name and rep by apologizing over NA as this site is the reason you are in swimming in your own shit right now. All we want is for Pheidian to be made whole again, and I bet most of us want you to get into some kind of legal trouble (I know I do). Hell I never once talked to Pheidian on this site; just remembering seeing posts here and there, but after following this thread from the initial post I am completely on his side (which I'm sure this community as a whole is as well). Just know, again, when you are sitting there trying to figure out ways to snake around this/figure out ways to make people "trust you again"/repair your namesake/worrying about being in legal trouble: NintendoAge is the reason you are fucked right now.
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
To clarify, I dont know (paypal professional please correct me) if David can cancel a claim that has been closed already. Now it is my appeal on the way, and as Paypal shows, the money has been transfered to David when the case was closed. Shows completed, and my appeal did not change anything, I dont know if they took or not Davids funds back from my appeal or how it works, but to me and what I heard it seems that David has the money now and it is final, Paypal will cope with the loss if I happen to win the appeal (that is why they need the police report).
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
There is a way to officially translate the documents into English since you seemed to mention that you could only get them in Finnish or Swedish. Talk to your lawyer about this. I had to get a Czech version of French documents when trying to get my Czech nationality (I'm ethnically Czech) so I had to translate them officially. I dunno how it's precisely handled since my godmother (who's a lawyer) did everything for me. But I think you would need the same thing, just translating the documents from Finnish to English
...after reading this thread my nerves are wound up!
I feel terrible for Pheidian and furious about the guy who scammed him. The "using raffles to fence stolen goods" thing makes sense but I still don't get one thing: Why show the real box in the game wheel pics if he wasn't sending it to the winner/2nd buyer? Is there some element of truth in this "my winning raffle buyer said it's fake and I believed him" story? If so, that guy caused a TON of grief. I still want to know where that fake cart came from. Was it David or his buyer/raffle winner? David not disclosing his PayPal stuff tells me that he at least attempted some cover-up if he didn't out-right orchestrate all of it.
To clarify, I dont know (paypal professional please correct me) if David can cancel a claim that has been closed already. Now it is my appeal on the way, and as Paypal shows, the money has been transfered to David when the case was closed. Shows completed, and my appeal did not change anything, I dont know if they took or not Davids funds back from my appeal or how it works, but to me and what I heard it seems that David has the money now and it is final, Paypal will cope with the loss if I happen to win the appeal (that is why they need the police report).
So I do not know if it is possible to cancel a claim that has been closed and decided already. All in all, this is the activity I have currently, and Paypal has contacted me, but not regarding the cancellation, but regarding the english police report.
My heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry to hear about these troubles. This shouldn't ever happen to anyone.
You are dealing with it so much better than I would.
There are no excuses for this behavior but hopefully this person will see the harm he has done and contact you to help heal the wounds he has caused.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
I'm looking to jump on a 3-way call tomorrow with HaynHammah and PayPal to see if I can get a 3rd party view at HaynHammah's claims to try and help Pheidian know whether or not HaynHammah has done as he says.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
Thanks. That definitely clarifies a few things for me. It still sounds like the raffle winner was genuinely convinced that it was fake when he set all this in motion but it doesn't appear that the winner was trying to scam anyone. If HaynHammah had been more honest from the start and not tried to pull this switcheroo then I'd sympathize a bit with him over what the winner was putting him through over a misunderstanding (not too much because this gambling stuff is still deplorable). As it is he made things much worse and is the only person who has done anything intentionally wrong. What a clusterf**k.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
Daria, do you mind perhaps uploading the photos and posting a public link here? It would be very useful for all parties involved as well as potential future victims HaynHammah has yet to scam, if evidence of his misdeeds are available online.
I am nearly positive Pheidian is not the first person to be ripped off in this scam.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
I know, but I don't buy the idea that the anonymous buyer rejecting the CIB had anything to do with the scam itself.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
Correct. It was HaynHammahs box at that point. Was just pointing out the origin of the box.
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
Not an an excuse to scam Pheidian. There's never an excuse for anyone to scam anyone.
I've been following this thread since you updated with the theft. Ridiculous. Saved some of David's instagram photos before he mass deleted-hid everything. Figured once you got everything resolved on your end I'd make a warning video about the facebook gambling groups - since I think this is the second time a scandal has arisen out of a high priced game. Yes they're illegal gambling but it appears they're also being used to fence stolen games. Fucking awful.
Daria, do you mind perhaps uploading the photos and posting a public link here? It would be very useful for all parties involved as well as potential future victims HaynHammah has yet to scam, if evidence of his misdeeds are available online.
I am nearly positive Pheidian is not the first person to be ripped off in this scam.
http://imgur.com/a/on6qZ
I only grabbed the two - one of his face, the other of the tattoo.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
Well, it wasn't Pheidian's box anymore, it was HaynHammah's.
Why couldn't HaynHammah took documented photos of the CIB? Why involve Pheidian at all? Why bother to send him back a fake cart? I'm sorry, that's the shakiest excuse I've heard in awhile. HaynHammah is simply a scumbag.
He's probably not trying to assign ownership by calling it "Pheidian's box," just describing the origin of he box he's talking about since there is presumably a second box involved in all this.
I know, but I don't buy the idea that the anonymous buyer rejecting the CIB had anything to do with the scam itself.
It does seem to explain more of his otherwise inexplicable actions. Occam's Razer, and all that.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
The buyer claimed the box was fake for reasons this guy didn't know or notice before (smell, marking, etc). According to this theory the game's authenticity was never in dispute. The fake game was not part of the dispute between the would-be scammer and the raffle winner. It hadn't come into play and likely hadn't been in any of the three people's hands at that point.
When the buyer said the box was fake, HaynHammah believed that it was fake at that point as well. Hence the claim, since he thought he had bought a fake box at that point.
I still don't buy that. You drop $2100 on a game, it comes into your possession, you don't look it over to prove it authentic, and suddenly you take the word of some stranger that won it for like $10 or whatever that it's fake?
The buyer claimed the box was fake for reasons this guy didn't know or notice before (smell, marking, etc). According to this theory the game's authenticity was never in dispute. The fake game was not part of the dispute between the would-be scammer and the raffle winner.
Game, box, doesn't matter. You get a $2100 gaming item in your possession, you make sure it's real on the spot, or you're failing at life. If some jerkwad then claims it's fake, you tell them to pound sand.
It is not some mistake to cancel here. You also stated in the claim that the box has been verified by multiple store owners to it being a fake box. I wonder who these people are that gave that statement on obviously legit box.
I'm looking to jump on a 3-way call tomorrow with HaynHammah and PayPal to see if I can get a 3rd party view at HaynHammah's claims to try and help Pheidian know whether or not HaynHammah has done as he says.
And CZRoe ... as this whole case was investigated it was concluded that the following occurred ... Phedian seld a legit CIB to HaynHammah ... HaynHammah sent the legit CIB to his buyer/winner ... buyer/winner decided the box is fake, sent the box back, but held the game and manual as ransom ... HaynHammah then initiates claim with PayPal and lies and says the game is fake as well (When in reality he just didn't have it because his buyer/winner was holding it hostage until he got a "real" box ... So HaynHammah screws over Pheidian thinking Pheidian screwed him over in the first place since that is what the buyer/winner is claiming ... So, had the buyer/winner accepted the CIB and not tried to say Pheidian's box was fake, none of this happens. This does not excuse HaynHammah's actions to screw over Pheidian, as his actions were 100% wrong. But explains where this all stemmed from.
So, end objective here is to get Pheidian made whole by HaynHammah by getting him his money back.
There might be some truth or half truth to some of this.
One problem I have is this.
The buyer just happened to have a fake F2 cartridge sitting there on hand to send back ?
He owns a fake F2 cart but then buys a real one CIB to raffle off.
Well Whatever man. The goal here isn't to tar and feather someone who isn't even a member here the goal is for Phedian to get justice. As much as some of you would like to do so it might be hard to accomplish both.