you know.. I'm having a hard time disagreeing with anything you said. I don't play guitar so the only draw to me is the extra challenge from a different layout. And yeah i got sucked it with GH2 and 3 for months, while I haven't even go e through all the on disc songs yet on live since Xmas there's also some odd choices for tracks. I still like it but not as much as the older ones
The only important thing is that you enjoy the game It just doesn't appeal to me, but that doesn't make it a bad game.
Originally posted by: Jandrem
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
Getting some rocking out done before I start beta testing games currently finishing up the unplayed songs and then probably gonna play random songs/go for 5 stars
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
Man I wish I still had my 360 just because the Xplorer Guitar. ended up getting GH2 on PS2 to get my fix but the SG just aint the same. also miss the extra tracks from the 360 version
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
Man I wish I still had my 360 just because the Xplorer Guitar. ended up getting GH2 on PS2 to get my fix but the SG just aint the same. also miss the extra tracks from the 360 version
Agreed man. I love the Xplorer over the other junk plastars.
Also, while I'm hammered-ish - if you suggest a song, I'll play it. If I don't have it, I'll buy it. First person to get me to not at least 4 star a song will get an option of one of the next 4 release I do, which are all slated for this year on both the NES and Genesis.
The best thing about owning a Roland Vdrums e-kit is if you have the adapter, you can use it as your RB3 or 4 drum kit. Screw buying the cheap kits made for the game that serve no purpose outside of the game. Just saying.
The best thing about owning a Roland Vdrums e-kit is if you have the adapter, you can use it as your RB3 or 4 drum kit. Screw buying the cheap kits made for the game that serve no purpose outside of the game. Just saying.
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
It's actually Third Eye Blind and Edwin McCain, bro, but the rest is accurate. Bitches love Jumper.
Multiplayer is supposed to come at the end of the month! We'll jam out with our clams out then
That's a fantastic write-up and honestly what I was suspecting. I think you're the first person I've known who is good enough at both Rock Band and music to ask.
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
It's actually Third Eye Blind and Edwin McCain, bro, but the rest is accurate. Bitches love Jumper.
Multiplayer is supposed to come at the end of the month! We'll jam out with our clams out then
I only ask because I'm looking for some NA musicians to make instrumental collabs with on the "Acapella" app
That's a fantastic write-up and honestly what I was suspecting. I think you're the first person I've known who is good enough at both Rock Band and music to ask.
Thanks
One thing that Guitar Hero: Metallica started was open bass notes, meaning that you just strummed without pushing a fret button. I wish Harmonix would add that into Rock Band, and have it apply to both guitar and bass, as not only would add another level of difficulty, but also give *slightly* more realism (there's a bunch of songs that have a lot of open notes that they charted).
One other thing I forgot to mention about Brutal Mode (at least for me) is that when the hidden notes start to become visible, it really screws me all up as I have to adjust the mental timing for the notes, so it makes those really difficult and tricky solos much more difficult. One of my buddies wanted me to play Rainbow in the Dark, and I was afraid I was going to fail on the solo as it's an incredibly challenging one, but I managed to scrape by. Afterlife is going to take some more practice, as I can only 5 star it half the time on Expert.
Also, when I play, I always start my fretting hand on the red button (index finger on the red, middle on the yellow, ring on the blue, pinky on the orange) as 99% of songs start off in the middle (either red blue, red yellow, blue orange, or similar combos), and if they start on the green, it's much easier for me to shift my index finger over 1 button rather than my pinky (as that's the least used finger, even on a real guitar)
Alt strumming (strumming down then up) is very important on higher difficulties and more challenging songs, which you'll commonly use on a real guitar for rock and metal (and some alt/light rock, like U2 songs where The Edge uses a lot of trem picking and/or alt strumming).
Another odd quirk for me is I generally have minimal issues with descending scales in rock band (going from orange to green), but have a lot of difficulty with ascending scales, even if it seems like I do a lot of them with ease. In Guitar Hero 3, the solo to Metallica's One was beyond difficult because they charged the scales backwards, so while I can play it with no issues on a real guitar, it screwed me up badly having to play it backwards.
And of course, Brutal Mode negates "No Fail Mode", so you always have to bring your A game as the crowd meter diminishes wicked quick, or you'll get boo'd off stage
That's a fantastic write-up and honestly what I was suspecting. I think you're the first person I've known who is good enough at both Rock Band and music to ask.
Thanks
One thing that Guitar Hero: Metallica started was open bass notes, meaning that you just strummed without pushing a fret button. I wish Harmonix would add that into Rock Band, and have it apply to both guitar and bass, as not only would add another level of difficulty, but also give *slightly* more realism (there's a bunch of songs that have a lot of open notes that they charted).
One other thing I forgot to mention about Brutal Mode (at least for me) is that when the hidden notes start to become visible, it really screws me all up as I have to adjust the mental timing for the notes, so it makes those really difficult and tricky solos much more difficult. One of my buddies wanted me to play Rainbow in the Dark, and I was afraid I was going to fail on the solo as it's an incredibly challenging one, but I managed to scrape by. Afterlife is going to take some more practice, as I can only 5 star it half the time on Expert.
Also, when I play, I always start my fretting hand on the red button (index finger on the red, middle on the yellow, ring on the blue, pinky on the orange) as 99% of songs start off in the middle (either red blue, red yellow, blue orange, or similar combos), and if they start on the green, it's much easier for me to shift my index finger over 1 button rather than my pinky (as that's the least used finger, even on a real guitar)
Alt strumming (strumming down then up) is very important on higher difficulties and more challenging songs, which you'll commonly use on a real guitar for rock and metal (and some alt/light rock, like U2 songs where The Edge uses a lot of trem picking and/or alt strumming).
Another odd quirk for me is I generally have minimal issues with descending scales in rock band (going from orange to green), but have a lot of difficulty with ascending scales, even if it seems like I do a lot of them with ease. In Guitar Hero 3, the solo to Metallica's One was beyond difficult because they charged the scales backwards, so while I can play it with no issues on a real guitar, it screwed me up badly having to play it backwards.
And of course, Brutal Mode negates "No Fail Mode", so you always have to bring your A game as the crowd meter diminishes wicked quick, or you'll get boo'd off stage
Ha! I was going to request One Armed Scissor by At the Drive In yesterday, but I don't think it'd be much of a problem for you.
I couldn't even process the notes before they disappeared on brutal mode. I'm surprised to hear that you can read those instead of just relying on pure memorization. That metal song you played in brutal mode right before you stopped streaming was ridiculous.
I'm a Jack-of-all-trades sort of guy when it comes to gaming skill, and I'd say my Guitar Hero skills are on the "decent" level. I can beat most songs on expert on the GH games I own, but I'm nowhere near mastering any of them. That being said, descending scales are what get me much more than ascending scales, just like I struggle more with pull-offs on guitar than hammer-ons. I make no bones about it, though, I'm terrible at guitar.
I feel like a good number of the songs in GH (and maybe Rock Band) have strange note placing, especially with notes that require more than one button to be pressed, but that might be the side of me that sucks at guitar talking.
Ha! I was going to request One Armed Scissor by At the Drive In yesterday, but I don't think it'd be much of a problem for you.
I couldn't even process the notes before they disappeared on brutal mode. I'm surprised to hear that you can read those instead of just relying on pure memorization. That metal song you played in brutal mode right before you stopped streaming was ridiculous.
I'm a Jack-of-all-trades sort of guy when it comes to gaming skill, and I'd say my Guitar Hero skills are on the "decent" level. I can beat most songs on expert on the GH games I own, but I'm nowhere near mastering any of them. That being said, descending scales are what get me much more than ascending scales, just like I struggle more with pull-offs on guitar than hammer-ons. I make no bones about it, though, I'm terrible at guitar.
I feel like a good number of the songs in GH (and maybe Rock Band) have strange note placing, especially with notes that require more than one button to be pressed, but that might be the side of me that sucks at guitar talking.
I'll play that this evening for ya
I'll also play a song I've never played before (and most likely never heard before either). Harmonix gave everyone 12 free songs with the last update (I hadn't played in over a month), so after a quick preview of them in the track list, none sounded familiar. I played the new metal song, and seriously, fuck that. Everyone on the HMX forums are asking for more metal and everyone has openly stated how much they hated Visions and that other death/black metal song, and they give us this crap. It's bad enough we don't many metal/rock/hard rock songs and get mainly pop music, but that's not what we meant when we said we wanted more metal lol.
If you can beat most songs on expert, I'd say you're above average. Most people don't play higher than medium and hard.
Pull-offs are easier if your finger tips are calloused. I "pull" the string like you would a bow and arrow, then I just lift my finger quickly and do it that way. I can't do sweep arpeggios to save my life, but I can do triplet runs like no other haha. My buddy (who I used to be in a band with as well) can play like Yngwie, and it makes me just want to break my own guitar lol
It's interesting that you have the opposite issue with scales.
Some note placements were really terrible in the GH series. Rock Band doesn't suffer too much from that, though some songs do have interesting note combinations. Best of You by Foo Fighters has a Green, Yellow, Orange chord, and those awful trem strips which can easily break a streak and ruin a FC or even a 100% run.
I'll also play a song I've never played before (and most likely never heard before either). Harmonix gave everyone 12 free songs with the last update (I hadn't played in over a month), so after a quick preview of them in the track list, none sounded familiar. I played the new metal song, and seriously, fuck that. Everyone on the HMX forums are asking for more metal and everyone has openly stated how much they hated Visions and that other death/black metal song, and they give us this crap. It's bad enough we don't many metal/rock/hard rock songs and get mainly pop music, but that's not what we meant when we said we wanted more metal lol.
If you can beat most songs on expert, I'd say you're above average. Most people don't play higher than medium and hard.
Pull-offs are easier if your finger tips are calloused. I "pull" the string like you would a bow and arrow, then I just lift my finger quickly and do it that way. I can't do sweep arpeggios to save my life, but I can do triplet runs like no other haha. My buddy (who I used to be in a band with as well) can play like Yngwie, and it makes me just want to break my own guitar lol
It's interesting that you have the opposite issue with scales.
Some note placements were really terrible in the GH series. Rock Band doesn't suffer too much from that, though some songs do have interesting note combinations. Best of You by Foo Fighters has a Green, Yellow, Orange chord, and those awful trem strips which can easily break a streak and ruin a FC or even a 100% run.
Yeah, from what I saw, a majority of the rock they had was classic rock or really mainstream stuff.
I'm also surprised to hear that most people play on medium or hard. I always found it extremely odd how few notes of the song you actually play on the lower difficulties. It's the same thing RockSmith does to you on low difficulties. "Wooo! I just played (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction," except you just played two of the notes in each measure in time with the song.
Haha! I think my my problems with pull-offs are twofold: I get really lazy with hand position on the back of the neck and it leads to really hitting other strings and a mental block where I just can't do the motion quickly or smoothly. Like, even drumming my fingers on a desk, I'm half as fast going in a descending pattern than an ascending one. My pinkie is also useless. I think building up callouses will probably help with how smoothly I can do it and hopefully the speed will eventually come. I'm so far away from sweep picking that it's like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for me.
Good to hear that my inclination about GH note placement wasn't just me complaining.
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you know.. I'm having a hard time disagreeing with anything you said. I don't play guitar so the only draw to me is the extra challenge from a different layout. And yeah i got sucked it with GH2 and 3 for months, while I haven't even go e through all the on disc songs yet on live since Xmas there's also some odd choices for tracks. I still like it but not as much as the older ones
The only important thing is that you enjoy the game It just doesn't appeal to me, but that doesn't make it a bad game.
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
Man I wish I still had my 360 just because the Xplorer Guitar. ended up getting GH2 on PS2 to get my fix but the SG just aint the same. also miss the extra tracks from the 360 version
So you can only use the old RB guitars on RB4? That sucks. I thought it was just so long as they wired/USB. I have the old GH2 wired Explorer and GH3's wireless Les Paul. I prefer the RB games over GH, but like the GH guitars more.
Nope, not on the Xbone anyway. Microsoft locked out all 360 wired controllers (unsure about wireless, I believe the Les Paul might work with an adapter). Trust me, I'm with you on that. I love the Xplorer from GH:2 the best (I have 3 of them lol).
Man I wish I still had my 360 just because the Xplorer Guitar. ended up getting GH2 on PS2 to get my fix but the SG just aint the same. also miss the extra tracks from the 360 version
Agreed man. I love the Xplorer over the other junk plastars.
tongue tied
where wolf in london
oye mi amor
friday I'm in love
Some of these songs are a royal pain lol
The best thing about owning a Roland Vdrums e-kit is if you have the adapter, you can use it as your RB3 or 4 drum kit. Screw buying the cheap kits made for the game that serve no purpose outside of the game. Just saying.
Really?! RockBand TD-20's, here we come!
Originally posted by: Philosoraptor
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
It's actually Third Eye Blind and Edwin McCain, bro, but the rest is accurate. Bitches love Jumper.
Multiplayer is supposed to come at the end of the month! We'll jam out with our clams out then
Still very, very impressive man. Would you say that at Brutal difficulty, it's harder than playing the songs on actual guitar?
It's really impossible to compare them because they're so incredibly different from each other, though there is some cross over skills in both directions.
It's easy to pick up a guitar and learn a few songs, and it's also easy to learn how to play rock band/guitar hero. With guitar, it's really all about practice and discipline, where rock band/guitar hero requires being able to read the chart, apply the colors to the position of your fingers, and strumming with the other hand.
The strumming hand on Expert is incredibly close to matching a real guitar, especially with songs that have very tight and distinct patterns (brutal is just expert with hidden notes). Brutal mode adds another skill - speed reading, or pattern memorization, or both. Some songs, because I've played them so much, I remember most of the complex patterns, so I only need to speed read about 60% of the time. With guitar, you're already "playing brutal mode"
Now, with learning these songs on a real guitar, there's 3 methods (assuming you already know the basics of guitar and keep practicing/put the same effort and time that one might into rock band): being shown/taught by someone, reading guitar tab/sheet music, and learning songs by ear.
Once you can play by ear, almost every song becomes instantly easy (at least to know what notes to play), especially if you know your scales. The notes also don't change their position (unless you're retuning, of course), where in rock band, the notes aren't exactly in the same position in every song (except for drums, which on expert is really close to playing on a 5 piece kit to the point where you'd be able to pick it up quickly if you're good on expert).
So, really, the question isn't answerable because the different skills required for each one to be "good", and people will pick up those skills at different rates, or even not at all.
Has the synchronous multiplayer update hit yet? If so, we can get down on some RB4! 2nd question, do you play real guitar? If so, in what style?
Adam only knows a few songs from John Mayer and maroon 5 so he can score easy slam pieces and take them to pound town at the sigma epsilon frat house
It's actually Third Eye Blind and Edwin McCain, bro, but the rest is accurate. Bitches love Jumper.
Multiplayer is supposed to come at the end of the month! We'll jam out with our clams out then
I only ask because I'm looking for some NA musicians to make instrumental collabs with on the "Acapella" app
I only ask because I'm looking for some NA musicians to make instrumental collabs with on the "Acapella" app
I can sing a mean "To Be With You" by Mr. Big
That's a fantastic write-up and honestly what I was suspecting. I think you're the first person I've known who is good enough at both Rock Band and music to ask.
Thanks
One thing that Guitar Hero: Metallica started was open bass notes, meaning that you just strummed without pushing a fret button. I wish Harmonix would add that into Rock Band, and have it apply to both guitar and bass, as not only would add another level of difficulty, but also give *slightly* more realism (there's a bunch of songs that have a lot of open notes that they charted).
One other thing I forgot to mention about Brutal Mode (at least for me) is that when the hidden notes start to become visible, it really screws me all up as I have to adjust the mental timing for the notes, so it makes those really difficult and tricky solos much more difficult. One of my buddies wanted me to play Rainbow in the Dark, and I was afraid I was going to fail on the solo as it's an incredibly challenging one, but I managed to scrape by. Afterlife is going to take some more practice, as I can only 5 star it half the time on Expert.
Also, when I play, I always start my fretting hand on the red button (index finger on the red, middle on the yellow, ring on the blue, pinky on the orange) as 99% of songs start off in the middle (either red blue, red yellow, blue orange, or similar combos), and if they start on the green, it's much easier for me to shift my index finger over 1 button rather than my pinky (as that's the least used finger, even on a real guitar)
Alt strumming (strumming down then up) is very important on higher difficulties and more challenging songs, which you'll commonly use on a real guitar for rock and metal (and some alt/light rock, like U2 songs where The Edge uses a lot of trem picking and/or alt strumming).
Another odd quirk for me is I generally have minimal issues with descending scales in rock band (going from orange to green), but have a lot of difficulty with ascending scales, even if it seems like I do a lot of them with ease. In Guitar Hero 3, the solo to Metallica's One was beyond difficult because they charged the scales backwards, so while I can play it with no issues on a real guitar, it screwed me up badly having to play it backwards.
And of course, Brutal Mode negates "No Fail Mode", so you always have to bring your A game as the crowd meter diminishes wicked quick, or you'll get boo'd off stage
That's a fantastic write-up and honestly what I was suspecting. I think you're the first person I've known who is good enough at both Rock Band and music to ask.
Thanks
One thing that Guitar Hero: Metallica started was open bass notes, meaning that you just strummed without pushing a fret button. I wish Harmonix would add that into Rock Band, and have it apply to both guitar and bass, as not only would add another level of difficulty, but also give *slightly* more realism (there's a bunch of songs that have a lot of open notes that they charted).
One other thing I forgot to mention about Brutal Mode (at least for me) is that when the hidden notes start to become visible, it really screws me all up as I have to adjust the mental timing for the notes, so it makes those really difficult and tricky solos much more difficult. One of my buddies wanted me to play Rainbow in the Dark, and I was afraid I was going to fail on the solo as it's an incredibly challenging one, but I managed to scrape by. Afterlife is going to take some more practice, as I can only 5 star it half the time on Expert.
Also, when I play, I always start my fretting hand on the red button (index finger on the red, middle on the yellow, ring on the blue, pinky on the orange) as 99% of songs start off in the middle (either red blue, red yellow, blue orange, or similar combos), and if they start on the green, it's much easier for me to shift my index finger over 1 button rather than my pinky (as that's the least used finger, even on a real guitar)
Alt strumming (strumming down then up) is very important on higher difficulties and more challenging songs, which you'll commonly use on a real guitar for rock and metal (and some alt/light rock, like U2 songs where The Edge uses a lot of trem picking and/or alt strumming).
Another odd quirk for me is I generally have minimal issues with descending scales in rock band (going from orange to green), but have a lot of difficulty with ascending scales, even if it seems like I do a lot of them with ease. In Guitar Hero 3, the solo to Metallica's One was beyond difficult because they charged the scales backwards, so while I can play it with no issues on a real guitar, it screwed me up badly having to play it backwards.
And of course, Brutal Mode negates "No Fail Mode", so you always have to bring your A game as the crowd meter diminishes wicked quick, or you'll get boo'd off stage
Ha! I was going to request One Armed Scissor by At the Drive In yesterday, but I don't think it'd be much of a problem for you.
I couldn't even process the notes before they disappeared on brutal mode. I'm surprised to hear that you can read those instead of just relying on pure memorization. That metal song you played in brutal mode right before you stopped streaming was ridiculous.
I'm a Jack-of-all-trades sort of guy when it comes to gaming skill, and I'd say my Guitar Hero skills are on the "decent" level. I can beat most songs on expert on the GH games I own, but I'm nowhere near mastering any of them. That being said, descending scales are what get me much more than ascending scales, just like I struggle more with pull-offs on guitar than hammer-ons. I make no bones about it, though, I'm terrible at guitar.
I feel like a good number of the songs in GH (and maybe Rock Band) have strange note placing, especially with notes that require more than one button to be pressed, but that might be the side of me that sucks at guitar talking.
I only ask because I'm looking for some NA musicians to make instrumental collabs with on the "Acapella" app
I can sing a mean "To Be With You" by Mr. Big
I'll do Nuno's harmony!
Ha! I was going to request One Armed Scissor by At the Drive In yesterday, but I don't think it'd be much of a problem for you.
I couldn't even process the notes before they disappeared on brutal mode. I'm surprised to hear that you can read those instead of just relying on pure memorization. That metal song you played in brutal mode right before you stopped streaming was ridiculous.
I'm a Jack-of-all-trades sort of guy when it comes to gaming skill, and I'd say my Guitar Hero skills are on the "decent" level. I can beat most songs on expert on the GH games I own, but I'm nowhere near mastering any of them. That being said, descending scales are what get me much more than ascending scales, just like I struggle more with pull-offs on guitar than hammer-ons. I make no bones about it, though, I'm terrible at guitar.
I feel like a good number of the songs in GH (and maybe Rock Band) have strange note placing, especially with notes that require more than one button to be pressed, but that might be the side of me that sucks at guitar talking.
I'll play that this evening for ya
I'll also play a song I've never played before (and most likely never heard before either). Harmonix gave everyone 12 free songs with the last update (I hadn't played in over a month), so after a quick preview of them in the track list, none sounded familiar. I played the new metal song, and seriously, fuck that. Everyone on the HMX forums are asking for more metal and everyone has openly stated how much they hated Visions and that other death/black metal song, and they give us this crap. It's bad enough we don't many metal/rock/hard rock songs and get mainly pop music, but that's not what we meant when we said we wanted more metal lol.
If you can beat most songs on expert, I'd say you're above average. Most people don't play higher than medium and hard.
Pull-offs are easier if your finger tips are calloused. I "pull" the string like you would a bow and arrow, then I just lift my finger quickly and do it that way. I can't do sweep arpeggios to save my life, but I can do triplet runs like no other haha. My buddy (who I used to be in a band with as well) can play like Yngwie, and it makes me just want to break my own guitar lol
It's interesting that you have the opposite issue with scales.
Some note placements were really terrible in the GH series. Rock Band doesn't suffer too much from that, though some songs do have interesting note combinations. Best of You by Foo Fighters has a Green, Yellow, Orange chord, and those awful trem strips which can easily break a streak and ruin a FC or even a 100% run.
I'll play that this evening for ya
I'll also play a song I've never played before (and most likely never heard before either). Harmonix gave everyone 12 free songs with the last update (I hadn't played in over a month), so after a quick preview of them in the track list, none sounded familiar. I played the new metal song, and seriously, fuck that. Everyone on the HMX forums are asking for more metal and everyone has openly stated how much they hated Visions and that other death/black metal song, and they give us this crap. It's bad enough we don't many metal/rock/hard rock songs and get mainly pop music, but that's not what we meant when we said we wanted more metal lol.
If you can beat most songs on expert, I'd say you're above average. Most people don't play higher than medium and hard.
Pull-offs are easier if your finger tips are calloused. I "pull" the string like you would a bow and arrow, then I just lift my finger quickly and do it that way. I can't do sweep arpeggios to save my life, but I can do triplet runs like no other haha. My buddy (who I used to be in a band with as well) can play like Yngwie, and it makes me just want to break my own guitar lol
It's interesting that you have the opposite issue with scales.
Some note placements were really terrible in the GH series. Rock Band doesn't suffer too much from that, though some songs do have interesting note combinations. Best of You by Foo Fighters has a Green, Yellow, Orange chord, and those awful trem strips which can easily break a streak and ruin a FC or even a 100% run.
Yeah, from what I saw, a majority of the rock they had was classic rock or really mainstream stuff.
I'm also surprised to hear that most people play on medium or hard. I always found it extremely odd how few notes of the song you actually play on the lower difficulties. It's the same thing RockSmith does to you on low difficulties. "Wooo! I just played (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction," except you just played two of the notes in each measure in time with the song.
Haha! I think my my problems with pull-offs are twofold: I get really lazy with hand position on the back of the neck and it leads to really hitting other strings and a mental block where I just can't do the motion quickly or smoothly. Like, even drumming my fingers on a desk, I'm half as fast going in a descending pattern than an ascending one. My pinkie is also useless. I think building up callouses will probably help with how smoothly I can do it and hopefully the speed will eventually come. I'm so far away from sweep picking that it's like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for me.
Good to hear that my inclination about GH note placement wasn't just me complaining.