Some people need to realize alot of us collected nes and snes for awhile now and picked up the "Rarer" n64 games when not as many cared and were waaaaay ahead of the curve.
Jkennedy. you basically had 2 cib sets before it really even took off, and the only expensive piece really was sculptors cut box and manual. so I mean our perception of the n64 market is going to be skewed. Market availability is different now and things are more expensive. Stuff isnt near as common as it used to be.
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
Some people need to realize alot of us collected nes and snes for awhile now and picked up the "Rarer" n64 games when not as many cared and were waaaaay ahead of the curve.
Jkennedy. you basically had 2 cib sets before it really even took off, and the only expensive piece really was sculptors cut box and manual. so I mean our perception of the n64 market is going to be skewed. Market availability is different now and things are more expensive. Stuff isnt near as common as it used to be.
That is what I'm starting to do with Xbox and Wii. Get the rare ones while they are still cheap and plentiful.
I found NFL Blitz Special Edition AND Beast Wars "in the wild" dirt cheap a few years ago, and promptly sold them at their then going rates as to me the n64 is Nintendo's worst console (not hating, just not my system of choice). This was at a flea market full of resellers circa 2012-2013. Anecdotal evidence, yes, but nevertheless it did happen.
Maybe at the time their value hadn't peaked yet so they were overlooked by the masses and resellers, but I'd have to assume that if they were truly "super rare" games they wouldn't have been as easy for me to find as they were. In other words I have a hard time looking at them as equivalent to something like Hurricanes, Metal Warriors or Wild Guns on the SNES; games you simply never see out and about away from a commercial/gamestore setting.
The SNES and NES probably have a more robust collector market and I can't imagine that the N64 games are as rare as their NES/SNES counterparts, but I did find it interesting and thought I'd share.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores when they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores then they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
I've never said they are rare and fact said they don't stand up to the top rares of the NES/SNES. That suggests that I don't believe, like some, that they are more rare than initially thought, which was what the OP was alluding to. That said they aren't common either. Mainly, I just found it interesting to compare the number of CiB copies to the NES/SNES from the same chart.
I would also say that not all of the Blockbuster exclusive N64 titles are equal either. Some games were overprinted and there are still a decent amount of new copies floating around (Example: Razor), some were re-released at other retailers (Example: Transformers), and others were truly exclusive to Blockbuster (Example: Sculptors Cut).
I think its all speculation. I've run into so many copies of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, its not even funny. Also, I've seen quite a few Sculptors Cut and Beast Wars for sale locally before, overpriced of course. I think its just people hoarding all the copies creating a fake demand. Just look at what happened with Sculptors Cut a few years ago. Someone bought every copy on Ebay and Amazon, and then relissted them all one by one at double the price thus causing a price spike. I wouldn't be surprised if some is doing the same with the other BB rental only games.
agreed.
also nothing was ever just a blockbuster rental. my first copy of sculptors cut came from a small time local rental shop that was owned by the father of a buddy of mine. and even if blockbuster exclusives were a thing there were 9000 of those stores and they would definitly keep more than one copy per store so the lowest possible estimate for sculptors cut would be 18000 presuming 2 copies per store. youd be insane to think blockbuster would only have one copy of a game that was supposedly made just for blockbuster.
Who ever said there was just one copy per store?
nobody, its a way of exargurating the point that 18000 is a low estimate for sculptors cut. its like when a tv comercial comes on and they say "youd be crazy to pass on these deals." its a figure of speach.
Unfortunately I cannot remember to cite the source of this information, but I distinctly recall reading that 20,000 copies of Sculptor's Cut were produced. That number seems about right to me and it sounds like a lot for something considered "rare", but for a game that at the time was frankly a pretty shitty fighting game that not many people gave much thought to, and considering where all those copies have been and what they've been through in the nearly 20 years since it's release, and it stands to reason that finding copies in "collector" condition is probably becoming increasingly difficult. I came across a mint copy last year and replaced my older, not-as-mint copy with it, because I knew the likelihood of finding another in the condition-nazi shape I'm looking for was not likely to happen again anytime soon (and it hasn't).
I think its all speculation. I've run into so many copies of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, its not even funny. Also, I've seen quite a few Sculptors Cut and Beast Wars for sale locally before, overpriced of course. I think its just people hoarding all the copies creating a fake demand. Just look at what happened with Sculptors Cut a few years ago. Someone bought every copy on Ebay and Amazon, and then relissted them all one by one at double the price thus causing a price spike. I wouldn't be surprised if some is doing the same with the other BB rental only games.
Thanks, Time and time again I have mentioned hoarders here and most people just poopoo me saying that people do not do this. There are people in my area that hoard uncommon games, and throw rarity off, I'm sure people are doing it elsewhere aswell.
We also have to realize that many of these games may not have been Blockbuster Exclusives, Rumor has it that some were, but many NA members in the past have posted that they picked their copies of some claimed exclusives up at other stores.
I've actually found that games considered shitty at the time tend to be in better shape because they sat in the back of the entertainment center after their first goround. Seeing that most were property of Blockbuster though is problematic, the blockbusters close to me were never content with 1 property of sticker, they used 3+ stickers per game.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores then they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
Nice! I remember you posting that XeXYZ pic here back in the day. I agree, BBV had copies of many exclusive games out the wazoo. My store came into town at the start of the PS2 era, so no 0N64/DC games for me. But I know that when they got the PS2/Xbox store exclusives in they usually had over 30 copies. They also sold store exclusives as NEW. I'm not sure if every store did that, but I know mine did.
I've actually found that games considered shitty at the time tend to be in better shape because they sat in the back of the entertainment center after their first goround. Seeing that most were property of Blockbuster though is problematic, the blockbusters close to me were never content with 1 property of sticker, they used 3+ stickers per game.
I've actually found that games considered shitty at the time tend to be in better shape because they sat in the back of the entertainment center after their first goround. Seeing that most were property of Blockbuster though is problematic, the blockbusters close to me were never content with 1 property of sticker, they used 3+ stickers per game.
Lol, those stickers are the worst.
No, they are not. THESE stickers are the worst as they made me realize I have never rewound my games when I finished. My NES life has been a lie.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
I would say they are rare, but not on the same level as the rare NES or SNES games. I do think the boxes are getting difficult to find in good condition as the boxes just don't hold up as well as the NES or SNES boxes IMO.
I also think the Nintendo Age rarity rankings for N64 need a little work.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
Well, there's our problem. You think my point hinges on the fact that it was available in some capacity, but it was actually about showing the extent to which it was available to show that they aren't nearly as rare as people think.
The person I was replying to said he had never seen them in the wild and I wanted to point out how anecdotally insignificant that is when he probably did unknowingly encounter it at a BBV store... assuming he was around back then (which is why I qualified it with "if").
No, I'm not saying that they are common. That much is understood by the fact that they were limited to one retailer, but the sheer scope of that retailer's brick and mortar presence at the time shows that it's not nearly as rare as people seem to think. That is my point.
The BBV exclusives are borderline rare/uncommon games. I don't dispute that. I dispute the notion that they are extremely rare and something you're not likely to ever find in the wild. I base that on logic and a reasonable estimate of how many copies exist.
DKC CE was in every store in Summer 1995 for the BBV World VG Championships II and anyone who visited that summer technically encountered it "in the wild," but that doesn't mean I came to the same conclusion about it: Having only one per store and fewer stores the. (before the DVD expansion) makes that one solidly rare.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
Well, there's the problem. You think my point hinges on the fact that it was available in some capacity, but it was actually about showing the extent to which it was available to show that they aren't nearly as rare as people think.
The person I was replying to said he had never seen them in the wild and I wanted to point out how anecdotally insignificant that is when he probably did unknowingly encounter it at a BBV store... assuming he was around back then (which is why I qualified it with "if").
No, they aren't "common" by the very nature of being limited to one retailer, but the sheer scope of that retailer's brick and mortar presence at the time shows that it's not nearly as rare as people seem to think. That is my point. The BBV exclusives are borderline rare/uncommon games. I don't dispute that. I dilute the notion that they are extremely rare and something you're not likely to ever find and I base that on logic and a reasonable estimate of how many copies exist.
I guess it just seemed you were saying because they were once available means they can't be rare now, which I can't agree with. Obviously, no one cared about those games back then, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they weren't hard to find back then.
I agree that they aren't "extremely rare" so we may be of the same/similar opinion and arguing semantics
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
I'm happy to have had the wisdom to pick up a complete Sculptor's Cut back in the day. I can't believe how rare the instructions are. When I bought it from Blockbuster, I assumed it would have some value. Never thought it would go up as much as it has. I only bought it because I really liked the first Clayfighter on my SNES and was disappointed with the original 64 version.
Compared to the rest of the N64 library, some of the titles perceived as rental exclusives whether correctly or not (especially Sculptor's Cut, Beast Wars, and ISS2000) are indeed more difficult to find. That being said, I've found every one of these numerous times in the wild and I do not consider any of them to be rare. Any one of them can be had at any time on EBay or Amazon.
Well, I would like to know where, because the rarest one (of all the N64 collection) I have found so far in the wild was Super Bowling, and that is in the boons of Indiana. I haven't seen any of the other rarer N64 games in the wild other than that one.
Fort Wayne? 50+ sealed copies were found in the basement of McVans when it went out of business. I got 3, but not before Mega Replay opened them "to make sure they werent reseals."
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Since 01/01/15, 5 random 8's for SNES and NES and 5 Blockbuster exclusives chosen by me
I don't have the time to right now, but I wonder how CiB matches up?
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
I don't think so. There was a 160 SR cart sale recently and that's what caused the run I'm sure.
I can confirm. I sold both stunt racers I had. They went to different people and were days apart.
Jkennedy. you basically had 2 cib sets before it really even took off, and the only expensive piece really was sculptors cut box and manual. so I mean our perception of the n64 market is going to be skewed. Market availability is different now and things are more expensive. Stuff isnt near as common as it used to be.
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
Some people need to realize alot of us collected nes and snes for awhile now and picked up the "Rarer" n64 games when not as many cared and were waaaaay ahead of the curve.
Jkennedy. you basically had 2 cib sets before it really even took off, and the only expensive piece really was sculptors cut box and manual. so I mean our perception of the n64 market is going to be skewed. Market availability is different now and things are more expensive. Stuff isnt near as common as it used to be.
That is what I'm starting to do with Xbox and Wii. Get the rare ones while they are still cheap and plentiful.
I bought stunt racer a couple of months ago...at 30 USD... I just checked ebay and is at 160 USD (sold games)....wtf!!!
Maybe at the time their value hadn't peaked yet so they were overlooked by the masses and resellers, but I'd have to assume that if they were truly "super rare" games they wouldn't have been as easy for me to find as they were. In other words I have a hard time looking at them as equivalent to something like Hurricanes, Metal Warriors or Wild Guns on the SNES; games you simply never see out and about away from a commercial/gamestore setting.
Since 01/01/15, 5 random 8's for SNES and NES and 5 Blockbuster exclusives chosen by me
For comparison I had time so wanted to do the same thing, but for CiB listings. This is from Jan 1st 2016 to present:
The SNES and NES probably have a more robust collector market and I can't imagine that the N64 games are as rare as their NES/SNES counterparts, but I did find it interesting and thought I'd share.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores when they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores then they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
I've never said they are rare and fact said they don't stand up to the top rares of the NES/SNES. That suggests that I don't believe, like some, that they are more rare than initially thought, which was what the OP was alluding to. That said they aren't common either. Mainly, I just found it interesting to compare the number of CiB copies to the NES/SNES from the same chart.
I would also say that not all of the Blockbuster exclusive N64 titles are equal either. Some games were overprinted and there are still a decent amount of new copies floating around (Example: Razor), some were re-released at other retailers (Example: Transformers), and others were truly exclusive to Blockbuster (Example: Sculptors Cut).
I think its all speculation. I've run into so many copies of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, its not even funny. Also, I've seen quite a few Sculptors Cut and Beast Wars for sale locally before, overpriced of course. I think its just people hoarding all the copies creating a fake demand. Just look at what happened with Sculptors Cut a few years ago. Someone bought every copy on Ebay and Amazon, and then relissted them all one by one at double the price thus causing a price spike. I wouldn't be surprised if some is doing the same with the other BB rental only games.
agreed.
also nothing was ever just a blockbuster rental. my first copy of sculptors cut came from a small time local rental shop that was owned by the father of a buddy of mine. and even if blockbuster exclusives were a thing there were 9000 of those stores and they would definitly keep more than one copy per store so the lowest possible estimate for sculptors cut would be 18000 presuming 2 copies per store. youd be insane to think blockbuster would only have one copy of a game that was supposedly made just for blockbuster.
Who ever said there was just one copy per store?
nobody, its a way of exargurating the point that 18000 is a low estimate for sculptors cut. its like when a tv comercial comes on and they say "youd be crazy to pass on these deals." its a figure of speach.
Unfortunately I cannot remember to cite the source of this information, but I distinctly recall reading that 20,000 copies of Sculptor's Cut were produced. That number seems about right to me and it sounds like a lot for something considered "rare", but for a game that at the time was frankly a pretty shitty fighting game that not many people gave much thought to, and considering where all those copies have been and what they've been through in the nearly 20 years since it's release, and it stands to reason that finding copies in "collector" condition is probably becoming increasingly difficult. I came across a mint copy last year and replaced my older, not-as-mint copy with it, because I knew the likelihood of finding another in the condition-nazi shape I'm looking for was not likely to happen again anytime soon (and it hasn't).
I think its all speculation. I've run into so many copies of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, its not even funny. Also, I've seen quite a few Sculptors Cut and Beast Wars for sale locally before, overpriced of course. I think its just people hoarding all the copies creating a fake demand. Just look at what happened with Sculptors Cut a few years ago. Someone bought every copy on Ebay and Amazon, and then relissted them all one by one at double the price thus causing a price spike. I wouldn't be surprised if some is doing the same with the other BB rental only games.
Thanks, Time and time again I have mentioned hoarders here and most people just poopoo me saying that people do not do this. There are people in my area that hoard uncommon games, and throw rarity off, I'm sure people are doing it elsewhere aswell.
We also have to realize that many of these games may not have been Blockbuster Exclusives, Rumor has it that some were, but many NA members in the past have posted that they picked their copies of some claimed exclusives up at other stores.
I don't think people realize just how many BBV stores there were in their heyday. They usually had multiple locations even in a mid-sized town. Usually several copies of each exclusive were available at each location. Often, "Blockbuster Exclusive" didn't even mean rental exclusive: they were available brand new for sale at BBV. I'm sure they could even reorder some titles.
Of course a "Blockbuster Exclusive" is going to be less common than something that was sold in every other store, but it doesn't automatically mean that they were "ZOMG supah RAREZ!" It means that multiple copies exist pretty much anywhere there was a BBV at the time.
I don't think they reach the levels of the top rares on the NES or SNES, but they obviously are far from common. I also wonder how many of the boxes, manuals, inserts, etc... survived on some of these titles.
Well, I got my re-sealed by BBV Transformers Transmetals Beast Wars for $2.50 at BBV/Game Rush back when I was just buying their non-sports titles as they cleared out their retro stuff (we were solidly in the GameCube/PS2 era). I wasn't surprised because there are at least several copies per store. I've seen it in the wild regularly ever since, so I sold it last year and I haven't been in a rush to replace it. A local game shop has it loose with an almost completely gone label for something like $70. I also got a prototype Xexyz from BBV/GR for $0.50.
My point is really that there are at least several times as many copies of each as there were BBV stores then they were released so you can use that to estimate how many were likely to be in your region. I think you'll find that it was a lot more than most of you realize.
Nice! I remember you posting that XeXYZ pic here back in the day. I agree, BBV had copies of many exclusive games out the wazoo. My store came into town at the start of the PS2 era, so no 0N64/DC games for me. But I know that when they got the PS2/Xbox store exclusives in they usually had over 30 copies. They also sold store exclusives as NEW. I'm not sure if every store did that, but I know mine did.
I've actually found that games considered shitty at the time tend to be in better shape because they sat in the back of the entertainment center after their first goround. Seeing that most were property of Blockbuster though is problematic, the blockbusters close to me were never content with 1 property of sticker, they used 3+ stickers per game.
Lol, those stickers are the worst.
I've actually found that games considered shitty at the time tend to be in better shape because they sat in the back of the entertainment center after their first goround. Seeing that most were property of Blockbuster though is problematic, the blockbusters close to me were never content with 1 property of sticker, they used 3+ stickers per game.
Lol, those stickers are the worst.
No, they are not. THESE stickers are the worst as they made me realize I have never rewound my games when I finished. My NES life has been a lie.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
I would say they are rare, but not on the same level as the rare NES or SNES games. I do think the boxes are getting difficult to find in good condition as the boxes just don't hold up as well as the NES or SNES boxes IMO.
I also think the Nintendo Age rarity rankings for N64 need a little work.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
Well, there's our problem. You think my point hinges on the fact that it was available in some capacity, but it was actually about showing the extent to which it was available to show that they aren't nearly as rare as people think.
The person I was replying to said he had never seen them in the wild and I wanted to point out how anecdotally insignificant that is when he probably did unknowingly encounter it at a BBV store... assuming he was around back then (which is why I qualified it with "if").
No, I'm not saying that they are common. That much is understood by the fact that they were limited to one retailer, but the sheer scope of that retailer's brick and mortar presence at the time shows that it's not nearly as rare as people seem to think. That is my point.
The BBV exclusives are borderline rare/uncommon games. I don't dispute that. I dispute the notion that they are extremely rare and something you're not likely to ever find in the wild. I base that on logic and a reasonable estimate of how many copies exist.
DKC CE was in every store in Summer 1995 for the BBV World VG Championships II and anyone who visited that summer technically encountered it "in the wild," but that doesn't mean I came to the same conclusion about it: Having only one per store and fewer stores the. (before the DVD expansion) makes that one solidly rare.
From my point of view living in Indianapolis, I have never come across a SC in the wild so I would consider it rare from my own point of view. Another game that I didn't even know existed until about 6 month ago was PGA Euro tour. It's not crazy expensive but I will likely pick it up just because. Others I would consider rare because I have never seen them are Big Mountain, Rat Attack, Carmaggedon, and a handful of others.
So, I guess you weren't around when it was still in stores at every Blockbuster Video in existence?
Most of us who were have come across it in the wild, it just wasnt sought after back then. I knew it would be and still didn't get it because I was as poor as dirt then.
I'm not sure I get this argument. There were also times when you could get stadium events for pennies on the dollar. Times change and the community evolves.
Seriously? Price != rarity. If the game was available across several thousand stores with several copies each (at a minimum) then there were at least that many copies bouncing around in each market since. That simply doesn't apply to a recalled game like Stadium Events. My entire point originally was that the BBV exclusives are apples to oranges if you want to compare to rare event games (NWC, Star Fox Super Weekend) and specialty games (Exertainment bike, Racemater Challenge II, MACS). Even BBV's own DKC Competition Edition was only ONE copy per store before they had nearly as many stores.
That wasn't even the point of the post you're replying to though. He said he never encountered them "in the wild." The point there was that it was common enough that almost everyone around then "encountered" them in the wild... whether they realize it or not. If he was around back then there's a pretty good chance that he was in an Indianapolis Blockbuster Video store and they had these games available "in the wild" right under his nose. Every Nintendo Power supscriber was offered the chance to buy DKC Competition Edition for $35 in the Nintendo Power Supplies Catalog.
In 1999/2000 BBV had over 9,000 stores. I don't know how many of those were in the USA but it stands to reason that there were a minimum of several per store (rental and retail) multiplied by SEVERAL THOUSAND US locations. Whether they cared or not back then, very few Americans around in 1999/2000, be they rural or urban, can say that they were never in a BBV store around then, so very few have truly never encountered these exclusives in the wild.
Price doesn't equal rarity and I meant to say that Stadium Events was once easily obtained for pennies on the dollar, that doesn't mean it's not rare now.
I just don't agree, or get the argument that such and such was available 15 years ago so it can't be rare now. Of course when games first launched, or around the time of a consoles lifecycle games are more easily found. That doesn't mean they are never going to be rare.
I think the N64 definitely has some rare games, though again, they aren't on the same level as the NES or SNES games that are rare. That said, your comments make it sound like they are commonly found, and every collector should have easily seen everyone of them, just because they were available near you, many years ago. That's what I don't get and can't agree with.
Well, there's the problem. You think my point hinges on the fact that it was available in some capacity, but it was actually about showing the extent to which it was available to show that they aren't nearly as rare as people think.
The person I was replying to said he had never seen them in the wild and I wanted to point out how anecdotally insignificant that is when he probably did unknowingly encounter it at a BBV store... assuming he was around back then (which is why I qualified it with "if").
No, they aren't "common" by the very nature of being limited to one retailer, but the sheer scope of that retailer's brick and mortar presence at the time shows that it's not nearly as rare as people seem to think. That is my point. The BBV exclusives are borderline rare/uncommon games. I don't dispute that. I dilute the notion that they are extremely rare and something you're not likely to ever find and I base that on logic and a reasonable estimate of how many copies exist.
I guess it just seemed you were saying because they were once available means they can't be rare now, which I can't agree with. Obviously, no one cared about those games back then, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they weren't hard to find back then.
I agree that they aren't "extremely rare" so we may be of the same/similar opinion and arguing semantics
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
good luck with your auction that ends today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201672591052
Somebody just made a run on stunt racer carts. Wasn't me I promise, but I'd think it's funny if this thread specifically is the reason.
Definitely was not my intention lol. But like I said in another thread, it was just a matter of time before that one spiked. I think a lot of us knew that it was going to eventually.
good luck with your auction that ends today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201672591...
Lol, that is not up to me to decide.
Compared to the rest of the N64 library, some of the titles perceived as rental exclusives whether correctly or not (especially Sculptor's Cut, Beast Wars, and ISS2000) are indeed more difficult to find. That being said, I've found every one of these numerous times in the wild and I do not consider any of them to be rare. Any one of them can be had at any time on EBay or Amazon.
Well, I would like to know where, because the rarest one (of all the N64 collection) I have found so far in the wild was Super Bowling, and that is in the boons of Indiana. I haven't seen any of the other rarer N64 games in the wild other than that one.
Fort Wayne? 50+ sealed copies were found in the basement of McVans when it went out of business. I got 3, but not before Mega Replay opened them "to make sure they werent reseals."