That happened to me with Hurricanes. So many times I refused to go over 20, then 30, then... yeah
I think most complete set collectors, especially those of us nearing the end, are going through the exact same scenario! Probably with many of the same titles. I've noticed hurricanes has jumped up quite a bit in the last few months, that's another that's eluded me.
As for people doubting their contributions because they're afraid they just raised prices; I have a couple thoughts there..
1 - It's 2016. Everything is inevitable, and pretty much every rare was being uncovered one-by-one anyways. Sink or Swim did it on its own, Shien's Revenge would of followed suite sooner rather than later
2 - You were in on the ground level, so if anything this would give us all a head start on getting those titles. I know I personally chose to knock out Natsume Wrestling, War 2410, Super Goal 2 and such
3 - Its very possible we also raised the going rate on titles you do own. So, it was probably a net gain for you at the end of the day if you think about it in that sense
4 - The existing numbers were useless. If we're afraid of having accurate numbers then we may as well of instead petitioned NA to just scrap their database period. Or hell, drop the collector's corner board while we're at it.
I feel like that's somewhat directed at me, which us fair. I should say that I'm not being all that serious in my posts and I'm really happy to contribute to this getting done. It was more of me venting about a few titles I had hoped wouldn't get bought out/spike in price while we were doing this in a sarcastic way, but unfortunately I probably sound like I'm whining more than anything lol.
To the discussion, if we're including carts like powerfest '94 and campus challenge, then the whole thing is scaled wrong. Personally I'm going to say those should either be not included or put in another tier number, like 20 or so lol
?!??!?!?starfox super weekend the same rarity as all those games on the 8 line?
dude cmon.
You arent finding any of this stuff anywhere. If powerfest stuff and MACS stuff is on the list then yeah a 9 is fine. But an 8? give me a break. You are putting starfox super weekend on the same line that you put kawasaki superbike challenge. Thats rich man. LOL i went to my local store and picked up a superbike challenge for 5 bucks when it was discussed a couple months ago on here.
You cant be serious thats a same rarity level as a cart that had very limited numbers that was just sold first come first serve out of nintendo power. Starfox weekend the same as war 2410 shiens revenge, super noahs ark 3d, super copa, sink or swim, metal marines, hurricanes, final fight guy, firestriker, casper, cannondale cup on your list?
I say powerfest etc are almost just one of a kind things and shouldnt be included since they werent sold releases. As far as the database goes I wouldnt really have MACS on this list because that just makes the whole thing really scaled wrong. Comp carts should just be 10s. You arent finding that shit anywhere, and they dont even come up online everyday. I feel its the same copies exchanging hands after people regret impulse buys.
Not all crazy price spikes are permanent either. Sink or Swim had a few sales $150+ recently, but there were two auctions that ended Sunday well below that. (cart only $67, cart + manual $113) It remains to be seen which price level wins out, but at least when prices go up we generally get to see more of it become available on the market.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
?!??!?!?starfox super weekend the same rarity as all those games on the 8 line?
dude cmon.
You arent finding any of this stuff anywhere. If powerfest stuff and MACS stuff is on the list then yeah a 9 is fine. But an 8? give me a break. You are putting starfox super weekend on the same line that you put kawasaki superbike challenge. Thats rich man. LOL i went to my local store and picked up a superbike challenge for 5 bucks when it was discussed a couple months ago on here. You cant be serious thats a same rarity level as a cart that had very limited numbers that was just sold first come first serve out of nintendo power.
I say powerfest etc are almost just one of a kind things and shouldnt be included since they werent sold releases. As far as the database goes I wouldnt really have MACS on this list because that just makes the whole thing really scaled wrong. Comp carts should be a 10. You arent finding that shit anywhere, and they dont even come up online everyday. I feel its the same copies exchanging hands after people regret impulse buys.
So which of those 3 do you actually own and how did you get them? I have all 3 and I can tell you for a fact that MBR/SR and DK Comp are much harder to aquire than Star Fox Super Weekend.
Star Fox is avaialble like 24/7 online, there are always copies of it around and it sells fairly frequently. DK Comp is listed less, and MBR/SR even less than that. You won't find the comp carts in lots because they were only avaialbe by mail order, collectors already hold nearly all of the copies even back in the 90s.
I would put Star Fox and Superbike at an 8, just because you happen to find one locally for $5 doesn't mean it isn't just as rare. Nobody gives a shit about Superbike yet, and unless it gets a lot more interest it will be hard to guage it's rarity relative to a game that sells for $1000 that everyone knows about. My best estimation is that the are of similar rarity based on the extremly low volume of historical sales and online availability.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
You also criticized people for their anecdotal experience shouldnt matter. Cmon quit with the hypocrisy in the same thread.
Im basing it on production numbers which are known. DKC 2500 is listed on teh back of the box. Starfox comp was in 1500-2000 stores and its a concensus around teh web that it was produced at around the 2000 mark. So we pretty much know the production numbers and your just going to ignore them but in the case of like mario kart. You were about to rip up the whole database because it was the 4th highest selling game in the US on the system and it just had to be a 1. Seems pretty hypocritical.
You know why more starfox comps are on ebay. ITs because DKC is more desired. People hesitate to spend the 700 dollars on starfox. DKC is harder to obtain because it costs more and is more desired. Myriad is probably rarer than stadium events but its easier to obtain too because it sits online when posted with not as much demand.
and you are telling me all your 8s you listed are just as rare as a game that only had 2000 made?!?!?!
Your 8s
kawasaki superbike challenge
war 2410
shiens revenge,
super noahs ark 3d,
super copa
sink or swim
International Superstar soccer
metal marines
hurricanes
final fight guy
firestriker
casper
cannondale
Those above are just as rare as Starfox Super Weekened???
LMAO. wow. Dude cmon. If those games shot up to 500+ dollars youd see them online more too.
and yes just because I found a kawasaki superbike locally for 5 doesnt mean its not as rare. But its a pretty good idea that its not. The odds of finding a game that had a 2000 print run locally for dirt cheap after its already being hyped up, are pretty slim if it were truly that rare.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
Im basing it on production numbers which are known. DKC 2500 is listed on teh back of the box. Starfox comp was in 1500-2000 stores and its a concensus around teh web that it was produced at around the 2000 mark. So we pretty much know the production numbers and your just going to ignore them but in the case of like mario kart. You were about to rip up the whole database because it was the 4th highest selling game in the US on the system and it just had to be a 1. Seems pretty hypocritical.
You know why more starfox comps are on ebay. ITs because DKC is more desired. People hesitate to spend the 700 dollars on starfox.
and you are telling me all your 8s you listed are just as rare as a game that only had 2000 made?!?!?!
Your 8s
war 2410
shiens revenge,
super noahs ark 3d,
super copa
sink or swim
International Superstar soccer
metal marines
hurricanes
final fight guy
firestriker
casper
cannondale
Those above are just as rare as Starfox Super Weekened???
LMAO. wow. Dude cmon. If those games shot up to 500+ dollars youd see them online more too.
Number produced for the contest does not equate to number sold (and we have no idea how many were really produced for Star Fox, that's all just estimates). How do you know a bunch of the comp carts weren't destroyed after the contest?
You can believe whatever you want but I own all 3 carts and Star Fox was by far the easiest to acquire. DK Comp and MBR/SR were much harder to find and are sold far less often.
If you want to rate them all at a 9 thats fine, I don't have a big problem with that, but they certainly aren't a 10. MBR/SR is harder to get than either comp cart. And MACS and Moving Target Sim are on a whole different level than the comp carts.
Not all crazy price spikes are permanent either. Sink or Swim had a few sales $150+ recently, but there were two auctions that ended Sunday well below that. (cart only $67, cart + manual $113) It remains to be seen which price level wins out, but at least when prices go up we generally get to see more of it become available on the market.
I almost sniped on the $113 one. Then cooler heads prevailed.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
I think there are more casual set collectors than you think. It usually doesnt start that way but it turns into that. Then you have 2 different people. 1) person gets tired of collecting and needs money and sells out 2) person stays in for the long haul
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
I still believe in the hidden gem. But maybe what I consider to be hidden you'd consider to be mainstream. A good example is Plok on SNES. Maybe most of you have heard of that game but it was unknown to me my whole life. Same goes for Skyblazer. Both very good games that I only learned about in the last couple years.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
I still believe in the hidden gem. But maybe what I consider to be hidden you'd consider to be mainstream. A good example is Plok on SNES. Maybe most of you have heard of that game but it was unknown to me my whole life. Same goes for Skyblazer. Both very good games that I only learned about in the last couple years.
I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying we are getting to the point where people are starting to grasp at straws. Isolated Warrior anyone?
Imperium as well, but there are hidden gems still left but you have to take into account that most of this is subjective since taste in games varies. For example i consider cybernator a better single player experience compared to the metal warriors single player campaign, but i mostly hear that metal warriors has the superior single player campaign.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
Given that there's at least 4-5 active collectors in this thread who are more than likely going after many of the same titles, it's not hard to see at all why game's are increasing in price as less are available.
Also, I couldn't disagree more with you on the "hidden gems" label being a myth. Are you telling me that you knew and played every good game on every system that's been released over the past 30+ years? You never needed anyone to suggest any games to you that you overlooked? Sure many of the hidden gems aren't so hidden anymore, but that's because of youtube and message boards like this one discussing them over the years.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
Given that there's at least 4-5 active collectors in this thread who are more than likely going after many of the same titles, it's not hard to see at all why game's are increasing in price as less are available.
Also, I couldn't disagree more with you on the "hidden gems" label being a myth. Are you telling me that you knew and played every good game on every system that's been released over the past 30+ years? You never needed anyone to suggest any games to you that you overlooked? Sure many of the hidden gems aren't so hidden anymore, but that's because of youtube and message boards like this one discussing them over the years.
I said "by and large a myth". I don't beleive that in 2016 there are many hidden gems left, certainly not for the Nintendo consoles other than maybe the Wii/Wii U (if you even consider those the possiblity of a gem on those systems).
Little Samson and Hagane are not hidden gems. Maybe in 2006 they were, but not now.
This is actually a good on-going discussion and I'm glad it hasn't degenerated into childish name calling. We're all going to have our own opinions on what is "rarer" and what is "more valuable", and until we have some sort of program scanning the internet at large for us 24/7 for exact %'s of a given game out there... it's always going to be a combination of anecdotal evidence + online availability (at any given time).
Skyblazer to me is the epitome of a "hidden gem" as it wasn't a terribly popular game when it came out, not a ton of hype has spread about it, and it's a very good game that holds up and is a great example on the system. I'd lump another Sony-Imagesoft game into that category with Equinox as there's literally no other 16 bit game quite like it and it's always been a favorite of mine no one talks about. Plus Tim Folin did Equinox's soundtrack, (same guy that did the amazing Plok soundtrack)... so it's automatically awesome.
I'd agree with the sentiment that there are more then a handful of games that are due for price increases based on their rarity/uncommon nature... (and I'd add Time Trax into the discussion with 3 Ninjas + Hurricanes although not to as serious an extent as those 2 examples naturally). I'm not going to mention any specific games here, but I'd always encourage anyone to do their homework with this hobby (or any hobby for that matter), if they want to pursue a complete collection in this day and age. 5-10$ uncommon games will start going for premiums before long, it's the nature of the beast.
What's amusing to kind of reflect on is that we are only talking carts here... if you get into paperwork (manuals/boxes/posters especially)... then there's a WHOLE bunch of SNES stuff that is simply impossible to find unless you get a sealed copy or buy one from another collector at a premium. 3 Ninjas, Aero Fighters and Buckaroo$ posters are such rarities that I've long ago given up on acquiring them. What's funny is I'm starting to see that there are a handful of other posters that are right there with those (fairly well known) ones that you simply never see pop up anywhere for sale. If you're cart only be glad you never went down the rabbit hole that is SNES paper.
What's amusing to kind of reflect on is that we are only talking carts here... if you get into paperwork (manuals/boxes/posters especially)... then there's a WHOLE bunch of SNES stuff that is simply impossible to find unless you get a sealed copy or buy one from another collector at a premium. 3 Ninjas, Aero Fighters and Buckaroo$ posters are such rarities that I've long ago given up on acquiring them. What's funny is I'm starting to see that there are a handful of other posters that are right there with those (fairly well known) ones that you simply never see pop up anywhere for sale. If you're cart only be glad you never went down the rabbit hole that is SNES paper.
So very true. On the plus side for the most part, newer "paper" collectors like myself never have to worry about what to do once we finish..as it will probably never happen lol.
Im thinking the Star Fox Competition Cart should be a 9. It deserves a 10 because of its rarity, but because its not considered a Holy Grail, it gets a 9.
I just gambled on an 8, and bought War 2410 Sealed. Wish me luck.
Ya, once you start getting into boxes and manuals, it's a whole other level. Take Mario World, game sold more than anything else on the system, but the non greatest hits box is among the rarest on the system. I've come to conclusion that it'll take me a lifetime to acquire a full set of boxes and manuals. I honestly couldn't imagine coming up with a realistic rarity chart for boxes/paperwork.
Im thinking the Star Fox Competition Cart should be a 9. It deserves a 10 because of its rarity, but because its not considered a Holy Grail, it gets a 9.
I just gambled on an 8, and bought War 2410 Sealed. Wish me luck.
haha, I literally had added that sealed copy to my watch list hours ago! Nice grab!
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That happened to me with Hurricanes. So many times I refused to go over 20, then 30, then... yeah
I think most complete set collectors, especially those of us nearing the end, are going through the exact same scenario! Probably with many of the same titles. I've noticed hurricanes has jumped up quite a bit in the last few months, that's another that's eluded me.
1 - It's 2016. Everything is inevitable, and pretty much every rare was being uncovered one-by-one anyways. Sink or Swim did it on its own, Shien's Revenge would of followed suite sooner rather than later
2 - You were in on the ground level, so if anything this would give us all a head start on getting those titles. I know I personally chose to knock out Natsume Wrestling, War 2410, Super Goal 2 and such
3 - Its very possible we also raised the going rate on titles you do own. So, it was probably a net gain for you at the end of the day if you think about it in that sense
4 - The existing numbers were useless. If we're afraid of having accurate numbers then we may as well of instead petitioned NA to just scrap their database period. Or hell, drop the collector's corner board while we're at it.
To the discussion, if we're including carts like powerfest '94 and campus challenge, then the whole thing is scaled wrong. Personally I'm going to say those should either be not included or put in another tier number, like 20 or so lol
Starfox Super weekend is like an 8, DK Comp 9.
?!??!?!?starfox super weekend the same rarity as all those games on the 8 line?
dude cmon.
You arent finding any of this stuff anywhere. If powerfest stuff and MACS stuff is on the list then yeah a 9 is fine. But an 8? give me a break. You are putting starfox super weekend on the same line that you put kawasaki superbike challenge. Thats rich man. LOL i went to my local store and picked up a superbike challenge for 5 bucks when it was discussed a couple months ago on here.
You cant be serious thats a same rarity level as a cart that had very limited numbers that was just sold first come first serve out of nintendo power. Starfox weekend the same as war 2410 shiens revenge, super noahs ark 3d, super copa, sink or swim, metal marines, hurricanes, final fight guy, firestriker, casper, cannondale cup on your list?
I say powerfest etc are almost just one of a kind things and shouldnt be included since they werent sold releases. As far as the database goes I wouldnt really have MACS on this list because that just makes the whole thing really scaled wrong. Comp carts should just be 10s. You arent finding that shit anywhere, and they dont even come up online everyday. I feel its the same copies exchanging hands after people regret impulse buys.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
Starfox Super weekend is like an 8, DK Comp 9.
?!??!?!?starfox super weekend the same rarity as all those games on the 8 line?
dude cmon.
You arent finding any of this stuff anywhere. If powerfest stuff and MACS stuff is on the list then yeah a 9 is fine. But an 8? give me a break. You are putting starfox super weekend on the same line that you put kawasaki superbike challenge. Thats rich man. LOL i went to my local store and picked up a superbike challenge for 5 bucks when it was discussed a couple months ago on here. You cant be serious thats a same rarity level as a cart that had very limited numbers that was just sold first come first serve out of nintendo power.
I say powerfest etc are almost just one of a kind things and shouldnt be included since they werent sold releases. As far as the database goes I wouldnt really have MACS on this list because that just makes the whole thing really scaled wrong. Comp carts should be a 10. You arent finding that shit anywhere, and they dont even come up online everyday. I feel its the same copies exchanging hands after people regret impulse buys.
So which of those 3 do you actually own and how did you get them? I have all 3 and I can tell you for a fact that MBR/SR and DK Comp are much harder to aquire than Star Fox Super Weekend.
Star Fox is avaialble like 24/7 online, there are always copies of it around and it sells fairly frequently. DK Comp is listed less, and MBR/SR even less than that. You won't find the comp carts in lots because they were only avaialbe by mail order, collectors already hold nearly all of the copies even back in the 90s.
I would put Star Fox and Superbike at an 8, just because you happen to find one locally for $5 doesn't mean it isn't just as rare. Nobody gives a shit about Superbike yet, and unless it gets a lot more interest it will be hard to guage it's rarity relative to a game that sells for $1000 that everyone knows about. My best estimation is that the are of similar rarity based on the extremly low volume of historical sales and online availability.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
You also criticized people for their anecdotal experience shouldnt matter. Cmon quit with the hypocrisy in the same thread.
Im basing it on production numbers which are known. DKC 2500 is listed on teh back of the box. Starfox comp was in 1500-2000 stores and its a concensus around teh web that it was produced at around the 2000 mark. So we pretty much know the production numbers and your just going to ignore them but in the case of like mario kart. You were about to rip up the whole database because it was the 4th highest selling game in the US on the system and it just had to be a 1. Seems pretty hypocritical.
You know why more starfox comps are on ebay. ITs because DKC is more desired. People hesitate to spend the 700 dollars on starfox. DKC is harder to obtain because it costs more and is more desired. Myriad is probably rarer than stadium events but its easier to obtain too because it sits online when posted with not as much demand.
and you are telling me all your 8s you listed are just as rare as a game that only had 2000 made?!?!?!
Your 8s
kawasaki superbike challenge
war 2410
shiens revenge,
super noahs ark 3d,
super copa
sink or swim
International Superstar soccer
metal marines
hurricanes
final fight guy
firestriker
casper
cannondale
Those above are just as rare as Starfox Super Weekened???
LMAO. wow. Dude cmon. If those games shot up to 500+ dollars youd see them online more too.
and yes just because I found a kawasaki superbike locally for 5 doesnt mean its not as rare. But its a pretty good idea that its not. The odds of finding a game that had a 2000 print run locally for dirt cheap after its already being hyped up, are pretty slim if it were truly that rare.
And to add pegboy you are going against your own beliefs youve talked about in this thread. The numbers of competition carts to be released were 2000 for starfox and 2500 for dkc.
So how can dkc be a 9 and starfox an 8. That makes no sense based on what youve said already in this thread on how sheer sold numbers are the only thing we should go by if we have them.
And what are those numbers based on? I'm basing it on what is available online and from my personal experience of trying to acquire them. DK Comp is much harder, go talk to anyone that actually owns it.
Im basing it on production numbers which are known. DKC 2500 is listed on teh back of the box. Starfox comp was in 1500-2000 stores and its a concensus around teh web that it was produced at around the 2000 mark. So we pretty much know the production numbers and your just going to ignore them but in the case of like mario kart. You were about to rip up the whole database because it was the 4th highest selling game in the US on the system and it just had to be a 1. Seems pretty hypocritical.
You know why more starfox comps are on ebay. ITs because DKC is more desired. People hesitate to spend the 700 dollars on starfox.
and you are telling me all your 8s you listed are just as rare as a game that only had 2000 made?!?!?!
Your 8s
war 2410
shiens revenge,
super noahs ark 3d,
super copa
sink or swim
International Superstar soccer
metal marines
hurricanes
final fight guy
firestriker
casper
cannondale
Those above are just as rare as Starfox Super Weekened???
LMAO. wow. Dude cmon. If those games shot up to 500+ dollars youd see them online more too.
Number produced for the contest does not equate to number sold (and we have no idea how many were really produced for Star Fox, that's all just estimates). How do you know a bunch of the comp carts weren't destroyed after the contest?
You can believe whatever you want but I own all 3 carts and Star Fox was by far the easiest to acquire. DK Comp and MBR/SR were much harder to find and are sold far less often.
If you want to rate them all at a 9 thats fine, I don't have a big problem with that, but they certainly aren't a 10. MBR/SR is harder to get than either comp cart. And MACS and Moving Target Sim are on a whole different level than the comp carts.
Not all crazy price spikes are permanent either. Sink or Swim had a few sales $150+ recently, but there were two auctions that ended Sunday well below that. (cart only $67, cart + manual $113) It remains to be seen which price level wins out, but at least when prices go up we generally get to see more of it become available on the market.
I almost sniped on the $113 one. Then cooler heads prevailed.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
I think there are more casual set collectors than you think. It usually doesnt start that way but it turns into that. Then you have 2 different people. 1) person gets tired of collecting and needs money and sells out 2) person stays in for the long haul
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
I still believe in the hidden gem. But maybe what I consider to be hidden you'd consider to be mainstream. A good example is Plok on SNES. Maybe most of you have heard of that game but it was unknown to me my whole life. Same goes for Skyblazer. Both very good games that I only learned about in the last couple years.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
I still believe in the hidden gem. But maybe what I consider to be hidden you'd consider to be mainstream. A good example is Plok on SNES. Maybe most of you have heard of that game but it was unknown to me my whole life. Same goes for Skyblazer. Both very good games that I only learned about in the last couple years.
I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying we are getting to the point where people are starting to grasp at straws. Isolated Warrior anyone?
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
Given that there's at least 4-5 active collectors in this thread who are more than likely going after many of the same titles, it's not hard to see at all why game's are increasing in price as less are available.
Also, I couldn't disagree more with you on the "hidden gems" label being a myth. Are you telling me that you knew and played every good game on every system that's been released over the past 30+ years? You never needed anyone to suggest any games to you that you overlooked? Sure many of the hidden gems aren't so hidden anymore, but that's because of youtube and message boards like this one discussing them over the years.
I just think it's funny how a $10 game can become $100 overnight for seemingly no reasons.
3 Ninjas?
Hurricanes?
I will never understand why games like this and Final Fight Guy cost what they do. Sure they are rare, but so a ton of other games that sell for $10 right now. Is there really a large contingent of morons that pay these prices just so they can "finally play the game"? Is there really some guy out there that dropped $100 to play some forgettable platformer that nobody cared about for 20 years? There is a good reason nobody cared about these games, they are mediocre at best, and forgettable bores at worst. "Hidden gems" are by and large a myth.
Or are there more SNES set collectors than I think there is?
Given that there's at least 4-5 active collectors in this thread who are more than likely going after many of the same titles, it's not hard to see at all why game's are increasing in price as less are available.
Also, I couldn't disagree more with you on the "hidden gems" label being a myth. Are you telling me that you knew and played every good game on every system that's been released over the past 30+ years? You never needed anyone to suggest any games to you that you overlooked? Sure many of the hidden gems aren't so hidden anymore, but that's because of youtube and message boards like this one discussing them over the years.
I said "by and large a myth". I don't beleive that in 2016 there are many hidden gems left, certainly not for the Nintendo consoles other than maybe the Wii/Wii U (if you even consider those the possiblity of a gem on those systems).
Little Samson and Hagane are not hidden gems. Maybe in 2006 they were, but not now.
Skyblazer to me is the epitome of a "hidden gem" as it wasn't a terribly popular game when it came out, not a ton of hype has spread about it, and it's a very good game that holds up and is a great example on the system. I'd lump another Sony-Imagesoft game into that category with Equinox as there's literally no other 16 bit game quite like it and it's always been a favorite of mine no one talks about. Plus Tim Folin did Equinox's soundtrack, (same guy that did the amazing Plok soundtrack)... so it's automatically awesome.
I'd agree with the sentiment that there are more then a handful of games that are due for price increases based on their rarity/uncommon nature... (and I'd add Time Trax into the discussion with 3 Ninjas + Hurricanes although not to as serious an extent as those 2 examples naturally). I'm not going to mention any specific games here, but I'd always encourage anyone to do their homework with this hobby (or any hobby for that matter), if they want to pursue a complete collection in this day and age. 5-10$ uncommon games will start going for premiums before long, it's the nature of the beast.
What's amusing to kind of reflect on is that we are only talking carts here... if you get into paperwork (manuals/boxes/posters especially)... then there's a WHOLE bunch of SNES stuff that is simply impossible to find unless you get a sealed copy or buy one from another collector at a premium. 3 Ninjas, Aero Fighters and Buckaroo$ posters are such rarities that I've long ago given up on acquiring them. What's funny is I'm starting to see that there are a handful of other posters that are right there with those (fairly well known) ones that you simply never see pop up anywhere for sale. If you're cart only be glad you never went down the rabbit hole that is SNES paper.
What's amusing to kind of reflect on is that we are only talking carts here... if you get into paperwork (manuals/boxes/posters especially)... then there's a WHOLE bunch of SNES stuff that is simply impossible to find unless you get a sealed copy or buy one from another collector at a premium. 3 Ninjas, Aero Fighters and Buckaroo$ posters are such rarities that I've long ago given up on acquiring them. What's funny is I'm starting to see that there are a handful of other posters that are right there with those (fairly well known) ones that you simply never see pop up anywhere for sale. If you're cart only be glad you never went down the rabbit hole that is SNES paper.
So very true. On the plus side for the most part, newer "paper" collectors like myself never have to worry about what to do once we finish..as it will probably never happen lol.
I just gambled on an 8, and bought War 2410 Sealed. Wish me luck.
Im thinking the Star Fox Competition Cart should be a 9. It deserves a 10 because of its rarity, but because its not considered a Holy Grail, it gets a 9.
I just gambled on an 8, and bought War 2410 Sealed. Wish me luck.
haha, I literally had added that sealed copy to my watch list hours ago! Nice grab!
Looking to finish up my Titus collection this fall, I only need Brainies, Prehistorik Man, Lamborghini American Challenge and Blues Brothers now.