PSA: EMiO "The Edge" joystick for NES Classic being recalled
Heads up to anyone who bought the 3rd party knockoff Advantage controller or anyone looking for a possibly future-rare item. It was discovered by members of the /r/nes reddit that the "The Edge" joystick being sold online and at various stores as an NES Classic accessory doesn't actually work with the NES Classic. It only works as a Wii/WiiU controller. According to posters on the reddit thread Gamestop/EB has already issued a recall notice to its stores, so this accessory may be permenently off the shelves everywhere within the next day or two.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nes/comments/5cffby/the_edge_joystick_problems/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nes/comments/5cffby/the_edge_joystick_problems/
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Lamarr Wilson tries a Nyko Miniboss controller that was sent to him for promotion. It simulates analog thumbsticks at 0,0 position instead of centered (128,128?), so it doesn't work. Seems the engineers didn't test that one either.
Ultra-mega-stretched on that monitor. I hope he has the NES CE set to pixel perfect mode. NES games will still be too wide as long as the monitor stretches like that.
Lamarr Wilson tries a Nyko Miniboss controller that was sent to him for promotion. It simulates analog thumbsticks at 0,0 position instead of centered (128,128?), so it doesn't work. Seems the engineers didn't test that one either.
Store runs on NES consoles, Nintendo Power Line, shitty 3rd party accessories that don't actually work, ah the nostalgia...
Originally posted by: teh lurv
shitty 3rd party accessories that don't actually work, ah the nostalgia...
So everyone should buy them because they will be SUPER RARE HOLY GRAIL status for collectors in 20 years!
Came here to say this
So everyone should buy them because they will be SUPER RARE HOLY GRAIL status for collectors in 20 years!
Came here to say this
lol
http://www.poweredbyemio.com/home/product/details/EMI019.html
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/11/16/missing-adapter-renders-edge-joystick-incompatible-nes-classic-edition/
I don't believe their adapter device was ever planned but merely a stop gap measure for restoring compatibility that didn't exist in the first place.
I plan on modding mine to be compatible with a real NES. I feel so bad for Emio right now. The internals use real joystick parts (Sanwa JLF clone) and it is a well contructed device for what it retails for, according to my 3-star Amazon review.
Heads up to anyone who bought the 3rd party knockoff Advantage controller or anyone looking for a possibly future-rare item.
Yes, you heard that right folks. I'm going to be hacking up a potentially extremely rare 3rd party accessory for my own enjoyment. And there will be adapters from Hyperkin and other companies coming out that lets you use real NES controllers on the Mini, so I'll still be able to use it.
http://www.poweredbyemio.com/home/product/details/EMI019.html
I may write in anyway and order the connector dongle. If it works like I think it does, the device will automatically zero any incoming input from the analog sticks. Not sure why someone would want to do this but I digress.
Someone sent me this little blurb. More of the same:
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/11...
I don't believe their adapter device was ever planned but merely a stop gap measure for restoring compatibility that didn't exist in the first place.
I plan on modding mine to be compatible with a real NES. I feel so bad for Emio right now. The internals use real joystick parts (Sanwa JLF clone) and it is a well contructed device for what it retails for, according to my 3-star Amazon review.
Heads up to anyone who bought the 3rd party knockoff Advantage controller or anyone looking for a possibly future-rare item.
Yes, you heard that right folks. I'm going to be hacking up a potentially extremely rare 3rd party accessory for my own enjoyment. And there will be adapters from Hyperkin and other companies coming out that lets you use real NES controllers on the Mini, so I'll still be able to use it.
http://www.poweredbyemio.com/home...
I may write in anyway and order the connector dongle. If it works like I think it does, the device will automatically zero any incoming input from the analog sticks. Not sure why someone would want to do this but I digress.
0,0 is probably what it returns currently. Might need to set it to 128/128 or something.
Yeah. The implication that it was supposed to include an adapter sounds like total BS.
Were NES Classic dev kits sent out to these 3rd party manufacturers? If they weren't, that probably explains why these accessories don't work.
They should have been able to manufacture it according to the specs of a Wii Classic Controller. I suspect they didn't realize that this system does not ignore the analog thumb sticks. If they let it return x,y position as 0,0 the system thinks the stick is held to the extreme corner.
At least, that is my suspicion. The video above seems to confirm it because the Nyko Miniboss gets stuck scrolling the menu. Reminds me of Ultra Everdrive scrolling the menu forever if you boot the N64 with no controller connected.
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
I just bought one brand new in the box on ebay for 30 bucks, which is about what the version 2 sells for new in the store. Had to track it down all the way to Quebec, Canada. The version 1 is super hard to find. I haven't really seen any for sale. Even with it being a third party controller I think it will still be desirable for collectors for 3 reasons:
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
Sought after by a small group of collectors? Perhaps. But I can't realistically see them being worth much more than retail. The NES Classic isn't really a "platform" people are collecting for -- people want the system, and that's about it. Maybe one of the officially licensed spare controllers. All my local Target stores still have the carrying cases and other unlicensed third party controllers.
I just bought one brand new in the box on ebay for 30 bucks, which is about what the version 2 sells for new in the store. Had to track it down all the way to Quebec, Canada. The version 1 is super hard to find. I haven't really seen any for sale. Even with it being a third party controller I think it will still be desirable for collectors for 3 reasons:
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
Sought after by a small group of collectors? Perhaps. But I can't realistically see them being worth much more than retail. The NES Classic isn't really a "platform" people are collecting for -- people want the system, and that's about it. Maybe one of the officially licensed spare controllers. All my local Target stores still have the carrying cases and other unlicensed third party controllers.
You have to think of it in different terms. You can't really judge the system for whether people are collecting it now. It was just released. People aren't collecting for the Switch either. However, Nintendo is highly collectible and usually when people collect something they want a complete set of something, I know it's a third party controller but the rarity is there and it is tied to the system so that is where I see the collectibility. The classic is tied to the grandfather of everything Nintendo. It's almost like an anniversary edition without the anniversary. It was a limited production, there's nostalgia tied to the item, and then you have a controller that was designed to look like the original joystick for the original Nintendo, so that plays on that nostalgia factor. The joystick isn't like the regular controller where multiple third party companies made them. There's only one company that did the joystick which makes it unique. Then on top of that you have a version of that controller that was only available for sale for about a week which would make it desirable. Sure they are still selling the version 2 controller, but the one that was released and immediately recalled is going to be the one that would be most sought after just for the fact that 20 years from now it basically won't exist. Especially if people think in terms of oh it's a third party controller or oh it's not an actual system so it doesn't have any value and they end up throwing them away. I'm not saying it will have value like a copy of stadium events, but I do think it will have decent value maybe in the neighborhood of several hundred for a complete one or maybe even a grand for one that's never been opened versus 10 bucks for the version 2 that was mass produced. This is just a hunch though. It's cheap enough to take a gamble. Now if I saw one for $500 bucks on ebay right now, yeah I would probably pass but I think for retail price it is worth waiting to see.
I just bought one brand new in the box on ebay for 30 bucks, which is about what the version 2 sells for new in the store. Had to track it down all the way to Quebec, Canada. The version 1 is super hard to find. I haven't really seen any for sale. Even with it being a third party controller I think it will still be desirable for collectors for 3 reasons:
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
I butchered mine to make it NES compatible. I've got the PCB with the NES circuits on it and the Emio motherboard with cut traces and wires sticking out, just need to connect the wires to the homemade PCB.
Somebody thought, "ooh, super collectible" and I thought, "wow, an NES Advantage replacement with real arcade parts..."
They've still got a couple units at my local Gamestop, so if you're thinking valuable collectible, it's not. Maybe if they went bankrupt and never released any more. The v1 isn't desirable because a bug in the hardware makes it not work properly.
You have to think of it in different terms. You can't really judge the system for whether people are collecting it now. It was just released. People aren't collecting for the Switch either. However, Nintendo is highly collectible and usually when people collect something they want a complete set of something, I know it's a third party controller but the rarity is there and it is tied to the system so that is where I see the collectibility. The classic is tied to the grandfather of everything Nintendo. It's almost like an anniversary edition without the anniversary. It was a limited production, there's nostalgia tied to the item, and then you have a controller that was designed to look like the original joystick for the original Nintendo, so that plays on that nostalgia factor. The joystick isn't like the regular controller where multiple third party companies made them. There's only one company that did the joystick which makes it unique. Then on top of that you have a version of that controller that was only available for sale for about a week which would make it desirable. Sure they are still selling the version 2 controller, but the one that was released and immediately recalled is going to be the one that would be most sought after just for the fact that 20 years from now it basically won't exist. Especially if people think in terms of oh it's a third party controller or oh it's not an actual system so it doesn't have any value and they end up throwing them away. I'm not saying it will have value like a copy of stadium events, but I do think it will have decent value maybe in the neighborhood of several hundred for a complete one or maybe even a grand for one that's never been opened versus 10 bucks for the version 2 that was mass produced. This is just a hunch though. It's cheap enough to take a gamble. Now if I saw one for $500 bucks on ebay right now, yeah I would probably pass but I think for retail price it is worth waiting to see.
I'm still not buying that this will be uber collectible when the version 2 that actually works is far more accessible. Even version 2 may be quite uncommon in the long haul, but I don't see version 1 fetching a huge premium.
But then again, some people pay 100x more for an NES game with 5 screws, or a CIB SMS Sonic with an extra UPC sticker.
Also you typed your reply inside the quote box. I see a lot of NAers doing this for some reason.
I just bought one brand new in the box on ebay for 30 bucks, which is about what the version 2 sells for new in the store. Had to track it down all the way to Quebec, Canada. The version 1 is super hard to find. I haven't really seen any for sale. Even with it being a third party controller I think it will still be desirable for collectors for 3 reasons:
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
I butchered mine to make it NES compatible. I've got the PCB with the NES circuits on it and the Emio motherboard with cut traces and wires sticking out, just need to connect the wires to the homemade PCB.
Somebody thought, "ooh, super collectible" and I thought, "wow, an NES Advantage replacement with real arcade parts..."
They've still got a couple units at my local Gamestop, so if you're thinking valuable collectible, it's not. Maybe if they went bankrupt and never released any more. The v1 isn't desirable because a bug in the hardware makes it not work properly.
You have to think of it in different terms. You can't really judge the system for whether people are collecting it now. It was just released. People aren't collecting for the Switch either. However, Nintendo is highly collectible and usually when people collect something they want a complete set of something, I know it's a third party controller but the rarity is there and it is tied to the system so that is where I see the collectibility. The classic is tied to the grandfather of everything Nintendo. It's almost like an anniversary edition without the anniversary. It was a limited production, there's nostalgia tied to the item, and then you have a controller that was designed to look like the original joystick for the original Nintendo, so that plays on that nostalgia factor. The joystick isn't like the regular controller where multiple third party companies made them. There's only one company that did the joystick which makes it unique. Then on top of that you have a version of that controller that was only available for sale for about a week which would make it desirable. Sure they are still selling the version 2 controller, but the one that was released and immediately recalled is going to be the one that would be most sought after just for the fact that 20 years from now it basically won't exist. Especially if people think in terms of oh it's a third party controller or oh it's not an actual system so it doesn't have any value and they end up throwing them away. I'm not saying it will have value like a copy of stadium events, but I do think it will have decent value maybe in the neighborhood of several hundred for a complete one or maybe even a grand for one that's never been opened versus 10 bucks for the version 2 that was mass produced. This is just a hunch though. It's cheap enough to take a gamble. Now if I saw one for $500 bucks on ebay right now, yeah I would probably pass but I think for retail price it is worth waiting to see.
I'm still not buying that this will be uber collectible when the version 2 that actually works is far more accessible. Even version 2 may be quite uncommon in the long haul, but I don't see version 1 fetching a huge premium.
But then again, some people pay 100x more for an NES game with 5 screws, or a CIB SMS Sonic with an extra UPC sticker.
Also you typed your reply inside the quote box. I see a lot of NAers doing this for some reason.
Actually, it just occurred to me that this guy might have hoarded a pile of these first generation controllers and is trying to build up buzz before he ebays them.
Actually, it just occurred to me that this guy might have hoarded a pile of these first generation controllers and is trying to build up buzz before he ebays them.
Possibly. Even most unlicensed 3rd party accessories typically don't sell for much on the collector market even if they are uncommon to borderline rare.
A few do. The Hori controllers come to mind but many of those were officially licensed and fantastic build quality so the argument is moot.
Sometimes a seller may list something on eBay for collector pricing and may get a nibble or two if it's the only unit available at the time. Unlicensed games can be obscure and not fetch high price at all; just look at Sachen stuff. Extremely rare in some instances, but valuable? Nah...
I just don't see anyone going out of their way to procure these, even after NES Minis are extinct. Perhaps if the mini NES and SNES consoles become an annual tradition with Nintendo (like AtGames Atari and Sega products but higher quality), then early revisions may become collectible.
It would not surprise me if future models switched to USB controllers over proprietary given budgetary concerns, as USB would be much cheaper to manufacture than Wiimote ports. USB can be either proprietary or open depending on controller protocol. This is especially true if theories are correct that Nintendo used up NOS wiimote encoder chips and connectors for the Mini production, then ran out when demand peaked.
I just bought one brand new in the box on ebay for 30 bucks, which is about what the version 2 sells for new in the store. Had to track it down all the way to Quebec, Canada. The version 1 is super hard to find. I haven't really seen any for sale. Even with it being a third party controller I think it will still be desirable for collectors for 3 reasons:
A. Nintendo didn't make a joystick controller and from what I can tell nobody else did either, so for people that want to use a joystick controller the Edge controller is the only option.
B. They did a really good job to make it look like the NES Advantage which gives it the cool factor to make it collectible
C. Version 1 was only available for a very short period of time which makes it very hard to come by, and when you add in factors like all the units that were returned to the store for being defective, and all the boxes that were torn open and thrown away you have now put it at super rare status for a complete one and people want what they can't have.
The one I found was in perfect condition and I checked the bottom of the box and there was no version number and the barcode number is different from the version2. I think it's a cool piece to have in the collection even if it is third party.
Sought after by a small group of collectors? Perhaps. But I can't realistically see them being worth much more than retail. The NES Classic isn't really a "platform" people are collecting for -- people want the system, and that's about it. Maybe one of the officially licensed spare controllers. All my local Target stores still have the carrying cases and other unlicensed third party controllers.
You have to think of it in different terms. You can't really judge the system for whether people are collecting it now. It was just released. People aren't collecting for the Switch either. However, Nintendo is highly collectible and usually when people collect something they want a complete set of something, I know it's a third party controller but the rarity is there and it is tied to the system so that is where I see the collectibility. The classic is tied to the grandfather of everything Nintendo. It's almost like an anniversary edition without the anniversary. It was a limited production, there's nostalgia tied to the item, and then you have a controller that was designed to look like the original joystick for the original Nintendo, so that plays on that nostalgia factor. The joystick isn't like the regular controller where multiple third party companies made them. There's only one company that did the joystick which makes it unique. Then on top of that you have a version of that controller that was only available for sale for about a week which would make it desirable. Sure they are still selling the version 2 controller, but the one that was released and immediately recalled is going to be the one that would be most sought after just for the fact that 20 years from now it basically won't exist. Especially if people think in terms of oh it's a third party controller or oh it's not an actual system so it doesn't have any value and they end up throwing them away. I'm not saying it will have value like a copy of stadium events, but I do think it will have decent value maybe in the neighborhood of several hundred for a complete one or maybe even a grand for one that's never been opened versus 10 bucks for the version 2 that was mass produced. This is just a hunch though. It's cheap enough to take a gamble. Now if I saw one for $500 bucks on ebay right now, yeah I would probably pass but I think for retail price it is worth waiting to see.
You realize that almost every Wii/Wii U fight stick that connects to the Wii Remote works with the NES Classic Edition too, right? Well, assuming that they don't do anything stupid with the phantom analog sticks that the Wii/Wii U ignores. Emio's The Edge joystick isn't exclusively for the NES Classic Edition either: It should work for Wii/Wii U and it'll work particularly well for Virtual Console NES, Turbo-Grafx, Master System/Game Gear, etc games.
I stopped reading about three sentences in. I know you really want to believe this controller is going to be an amazing collectible, but when more notable and useful items from past generations, like the Hori retro pads or the Negcon, aren't fetching big bucks, I don't see this one doing so either.
Actually, my sealed US -packaging Hori Game Boy Player controllers would fetch big bucks if I were willing to sell them.
Personally, I hope to find a bunch of these on clearance to mod into controllers for retro consoles where gutting a modern stick would be overkill (way too many buttons) and building a stick from scratch would be too expensive/too much effort. For example, all those Atari 5200 SuperSystems that no one can get working CX-52 controllers for (cheap/easy alternative).
Also you typed your reply inside the quote box. I see a lot of NAers doing this for some reason.
I figured that you'd know why but I guess it hasn't happened to you: When you backspace one character too far (usually trying to clear blank lines inserted by the forum software), it moves your insertion point into the quote and won't let you move your cursor/insertion point back out. It's particularly bad on mobile, where you often can't select your text to copy and try again. NA has some pretty screwy forum software.
Also you typed your reply inside the quote box. I see a lot of NAers doing this for some reason.
I figured that you'd know why but I guess it hasn't happened to you: When you backspace one character too far (usually trying to clear blank lines inserted by the forum software), it moves your insertion point into the quote and won't let you move your cursor/insertion point back out. It's particularly bad on mobile, where you often can't select your text to copy and try again. NA has some pretty screwy forum software.
PC: Hit Ctrl+Z to undo the backspace.
Moble: This is a bit trickier. Click the "show source" button, and start typing at the end of the box, using
<br />
(less than symbol)br(space)(forward slash)(greater than symbol)
everytime you need to indent, typically twice to indicate a paragraph break.
I learned this trick from posting on the older 3DS model, which could not handle WYSIWYG text editors, and defaulted to raw code. I quickly learned how to type the indent code manually.
N3DS much improved browser allowed WYSIWYG editors to partially work, displaying bold, itallic, strikeout, and underlines as well as other formatting, using the built in system font.
Also you typed your reply inside the quote box. I see a lot of NAers doing this for some reason.
I figured that you'd know why but I guess it hasn't happened to you: When you backspace one character too far (usually trying to clear blank lines inserted by the forum software), it moves your insertion point into the quote and won't let you move your cursor/insertion point back out. It's particularly bad on mobile, where you often can't select your text to copy and try again. NA has some pretty screwy forum software.
PC: Hit Ctrl+Z to undo the backspace.
Moble: This is a bit trickier. Click the "show source" button, and start typing at the end of the box, using
(less than symbol)br(space)(forward slash)(greater than symbol)
everytime you need to indent, typically twice to indicate a paragraph break.
I learned this trick from posting on the older 3DS model, which could not handle WYSIWYG text editors, and defaulted to raw code. I quickly learned how to type the indent code manually.
N3DS much improved browser allowed WYSIWYG editors to partially work, displaying bold, itallic, strikeout, and underlines as well as other formatting, using the built in system font.
The edit source option is even more broken than the WYSIWYG editor for iOS. You usually can't even get the code you need to edit onto the screen!
The defect is part of what makes it cool to collect. Like people would collect the Ty Beanie Babies with factory defects or money with factory defects. That's part of what makes it collectible is the fact that something defective made it out of production and onto store shelves. I think the SNES classic will make stuff for the NES classic more collectible because now you'll have a series of related items to collect. I'm really hoping they decide to do the N64 classic as well. Forget anything gamecube related or later I want classic versions of all the cartridge based systems. I see potential in doing a whole series and that would make it more of a collectible item, because you would then have a whole series of mini systems and accessories to collect for.
Welcome to NA, BTW.
Since they are still available in stores and the NES Classic Edition spare controllers were canceled without ever coming in stock, they may make/sell even more of these (people who were waiting on the spare controller will give up and possibly buy this). I've been on the fence the whole time, mostly because I want a deal before I rip mine apart.
Still hoping it won't end up being too collectible so I can find a bunch for cheap, but it's definitely possible that it could be collectible in the future. Because they aren't compelled to just cancel the product right away it's probably much too early to guess.
The main console I have in mind for these is the Atari 5200. You might already know why because the original controllers were notoriously bad and never work. If you aren't familiar, Angry Videogames Nerd featured it.
Anyway, there are no 3rd-party controllers, to my knowledge... only adapters to use Atari 2600 joysticks (losing one button). The system has FOUR controller ports (well, originally) and getting FOUR working controllers together is a miracle (or super expensive). Most games didn't need the analog joystick and actually work better with DIY controls, but you can't just mod a typical controller because the directional switches need to be double-throw (alternate a common terminal between two connections as opposed to making or breaking a single connection). No, you can't just cut up an NES controller to make an Atari 5200 controller.
Also, I'd like to make a bunch into Turbo-Grafx and original NES arcade sticks, since it'd be cheaper than buying original Turbo Pads and better than any US NES stick I've ever seen (love my ASCII Stick II Turbo FC stick though). Even at MSRP, it's cheaper than starting from scratch. A couple years ago I was kicking myself for not buying all the Messiah arcade sticks that they made for their NES clones. Amazon unloaded tons of them for $12 each a year earlier. After that I considered ordering the $25 AtGames Sega Genesis Arcade Master or whatever they called it but the materials were junk and it was still too elaborate for a 2-button game system.