Celtics were only 9 of 40 from 3pt land tonight and still won by double digits. Could have easily been a blowout if some more of those open looks would have fallen.
Oh well, 3-2 C's! Let's take another one in the United Center!
I just really hate the whole NBA Awards Show after the playoffs now. Half of the fun of the regular season MVP was seeing how they fared in the playoffs, how they held up to the pressure. So lame that they are trying to turn it into the ESPYs
I agree. You miss out on the great moments like when they gave the award to David Robinson over Hakeem. Hakeem took it personal in the playoffs and owned him.
2 months since the "mvp" has played too. Its pretty much going to be westbrook by independant vote talleys. All but confirmed it already. People figured out most of the voters and have talley'd most of the first place votes and its easily westbrook.
The media is so freaking stupid. ESPN made westbrook the mvp. The whole criteria changed in 2 years. 2 years ago Harden had a better year than curry. But I was told since Curry was on the better team he gets the mvp. Now westbrook has practically the same stats as harden. Who gives a crap about 2 rebounds. Harden has 1 more assist and way more efficient. But now westbrook led his team of "nobodies"(revisionist history) and is the mvp. Harden had josh smith, jason terry starting(beverley missed the playoffs injured) , terrence jones, corey brewer, and howard . He had no shooters and was the 2 seed but nooooo it goes to curry on the best team.
So freaking glad westbrook is out of the playoffs. The MVP takes a first round gentlemens sweep. What an MVP
The way the game is played now with more 3 point shooting, you are going to see more triple doubles with guards who can rebound. I think we will look back at giving westbrook this award and realize how dumb it was.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
That is nice and all but i think a more realistic stat is what the scoring differential was when he was on/off the court.
A good chunk of the missed shots were in the 4th quarter which i agree he tried to win the game every time and failed.
Lets not confuse a bunch of dunks and put backs (that were created almost exclusively by westbrook) as his teamates shooting a much better field goal percentage than him.
Everyone on that team looks lost and out of position when they run offensive sets. There are not shooters on that team except mcdermont and he has blatant holes in his game that he cant stay on the floor.
Yeah without Westbrook the team is nothing. The PG is arguably the most important position on the team, unless you have a marquee hybrid "big" who can run the point when needed (Lebron, Kobe, Magic, etc.) If you take Westbook off that team then they would be abysmal, no one is capable of creating their own shots on that team. Crazy that they had Durant and Harden too at one point and still couldn't get it done.
His stats are deserving of the MVP and we'll see how it goes. For anyone who actually plays basketball, you always know there is an alpha or two on the team, and those are the ones looking for their shots late in the game. You can say he was a ballhog but part of that is because other players on the team are also trigger shy at crunch time.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
That is nice and all but i think a more realistic stat is what the scoring differential was when he was on/off the court.
A good chunk of the missed shots were in the 4th quarter which i agree he tried to win the game every time and failed.
Lets not confuse a bunch of dunks and put backs (that were created almost exclusively by westbrook) as his teamates shooting a much better field goal percentage than him.
Everyone on that team looks lost and out of position when they run offensive sets. There are not shooters on that team except mcdermont and he has blatant holes in his game that he cant stay on the floor.
Do you know why they look lost? Because they spent the whole season watching Westbrook play hero ball and stat pad his way to triple doubles.
Meanwhile, Harden spent the season building trust and chemistry in his team mates.
If you're talking about the end of third quarters when the Rockets cut into or gained the lead, you're talking second unit vs second unit, where the Rockets have wisely put Eric Gordon to play sixth-man, and later added the other sixth-man candidate, Lou Williams. Either way, Westbrook panics, comes back in, and goes hero ball shooting bricks rather than playing the team game that got them the lead through most of three quarters.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. That's why Durant left.
People arent factoring in most of westbrooks minutes off the court were also minutes adams was off the court. They sit together a ton. On the season Adams has only played 6 percent of his minutes without westbrook. Only 7 percent in teh playoffs. Late 3rd early 4th , the thunder were taking out adams and the rockets offense capitalized. Had little to do with westbrook
The defensive rating is what suffered with him off the court way worse than the offense, and thats due to adams way more than westbrook. Westbrook doesnt bother with defense this year much anyway. Contested 3.6 fgs per game. League low for guards who play more than 30 minutes. Hes more concerned about playing on the help side and sagging off his man for easy uncontested rebounds.
Man im going go have to walk away from this convo. I didnt realize the mvp trophy meant so much to fans
In closing i would aay that every single gm would name westbrook as a top 5 player
I bring facts and now your running away? oh cmon man
no not everyone cares this much. Its the fact they constently change criteria, and typically its against Harden. Its frustrating as hell when an mvp goes to a player with a team record that is 10th best in the league, when a guy who is putting up basically the same numbers the 3rd best record.
And its not top best player award. Its MVP.
I disagree, westbrooks style of 4th quarter bullshit knocks him out of top 5 player.
Fuck, give it to kawhi more than westbrook If I were starting a team. Westbrook wouldnt even be in the first 10 players Id take. No one wants to play with that ball hogging highest usage rate in nba history SOB. Doesnt even shake his "friend Hardens" hand after the series. Hes such a sore loser and imo a poor winner. Its all about Westbrook. Colin Cowherd is right. He really is kanye westbrook. He "Doesnt give an eff about his line" after a loss, but points out how many points he has to beverley in a spat. He tries to say the right things most of the time, but you just know hes lying. He is just so full of it and you can tell.
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
I really don't care about the MVP awards in the least. It's a team sport and the team with the "MVP" isn't guaranteed a championship, so why even get worked up about it?
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
I agree with a lot of this but his team is terrible and i stand by that. Yes adams plays good defense but i would pick 10 other centers before him and that is the highest rated player they have on the team after Westbrook. He is not really a good shooter and is probably the best on the team outside of mcdermont. Houston has a ton of range decent shooters and ultimately that was the differene in the series. That and westbrook went ice cold every 4th quatrter
I would have a hard time picking between harden and westbrook if given a choice. They are both faboulous players
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
I agree with a lot of this but his team is terrible and i stand by that. Yes adams plays good defense but i would pick 10 other centers before him and that is the highest rated player they have on the team after Westbrook. He is not really a good shooter and is probably the best on the team outside of mcdermont. Houston has a ton of range decent shooters and ultimately that was the differene in the series. That and westbrook went ice cold every 4th quatrter
I would have a hard time picking between harden and westbrook if given a choice. They are both faboulous players
Its actually a very easy choice. Harden works well with teammates, doesnt overshoot, so much more efficient. Id take Harden 100 times out of 100 over westbrook. Nobody wants to play with westbrook.
Hardens game also has longevity. Westbrook is one injury away from being an awful player. If he doesnt get hurt he is going to decline hard. Once the burst is gone, its gone.
I think no one except the Warriors has a chance against the Cavs. Always hard to pick against the best player in the NBA even if his team isn't as great as some of the others, but anything can happen.
Anyone giving Toronto a shred of a chance in this series with the Cavs?
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Spurs / Rockets should be the best matchup of the round
I personnaly cant see toronto winning more than 1 game but you never know. They dont seem to have any soul on that team. def have shooting and talent but not a lot of intangables imo.
Def looking forward to rockets/spurs and jazz/gs and boston toronto......so yeah pretty much i expect every series to be good except that one lol
Anyone giving Toronto a shred of a chance in this series with the Cavs?
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Spurs / Rockets should be the best matchup of the round
I personnaly cant see toronto winning more than 1 game but you never know. They dont seem to have any soul on that team. def have shooting and talent but not a lot of intangables imo.
Def looking forward to rockets/spurs and jazz/gs and boston toronto......so yeah pretty much i expect every series to be good except that one lol
My guess is spurs use dedmon more to guard pick and roll. David lee is just not useable. Also if gasol isnt going to have a good offensive game hes not useable either. Gasol cant switch in the pickand roll and gets eaten alive
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Oh well, 3-2 C's! Let's take another one in the United Center!
I just really hate the whole NBA Awards Show after the playoffs now. Half of the fun of the regular season MVP was seeing how they fared in the playoffs, how they held up to the pressure. So lame that they are trying to turn it into the ESPYs
I agree. You miss out on the great moments like when they gave the award to David Robinson over Hakeem. Hakeem took it personal in the playoffs and owned him.
2 months since the "mvp" has played too. Its pretty much going to be westbrook by independant vote talleys. All but confirmed it already. People figured out most of the voters and have talley'd most of the first place votes and its easily westbrook.
The media is so freaking stupid. ESPN made westbrook the mvp. The whole criteria changed in 2 years. 2 years ago Harden had a better year than curry. But I was told since Curry was on the better team he gets the mvp. Now westbrook has practically the same stats as harden. Who gives a crap about 2 rebounds. Harden has 1 more assist and way more efficient. But now westbrook led his team of "nobodies"(revisionist history) and is the mvp. Harden had josh smith, jason terry starting(beverley missed the playoffs injured) , terrence jones, corey brewer, and howard . He had no shooters and was the 2 seed but nooooo it goes to curry on the best team.
So freaking glad westbrook is out of the playoffs. The MVP takes a first round gentlemens sweep. What an MVP
The way the game is played now with more 3 point shooting, you are going to see more triple doubles with guards who can rebound. I think we will look back at giving westbrook this award and realize how dumb it was.
Quest is Westbrook your most disliked sports figure?
Not even close. Hes a good player. More mad at the medias drooling over arbitrary even numbers rather than using sense.
after half a season of a dumb narrative im just so happy his season is over. Such a great mvp. Raised his team to such great heights!
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
That is nice and all but i think a more realistic stat is what the scoring differential was when he was on/off the court.
A good chunk of the missed shots were in the 4th quarter which i agree he tried to win the game every time and failed.
Lets not confuse a bunch of dunks and put backs (that were created almost exclusively by westbrook) as his teamates shooting a much better field goal percentage than him.
Everyone on that team looks lost and out of position when they run offensive sets. There are not shooters on that team except mcdermont and he has blatant holes in his game that he cant stay on the floor.
His stats are deserving of the MVP and we'll see how it goes. For anyone who actually plays basketball, you always know there is an alpha or two on the team, and those are the ones looking for their shots late in the game. You can say he was a ballhog but part of that is because other players on the team are also trigger shy at crunch time.
I couldn't care less who wins the mvp, if you ask me I think LeBron, Durant, harden, westbrook you are splitting hairs
However I do think westbrooks team is the absolute worst without question of all 4 of those guys. That team is just not good outside of him. I don't even know a guy I would want on that team for my lowly pistons.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. In the Rockets series, after game 1, he would play in the flow, get his but also set up his team mates, putting the Thunder ahead. Then, come in fourth quarter and shoot his team out of the game with bricks from beyond the arc, even blocking his own team mate to get a offensive rebound in game 5. Oladipo was great in Orlando, and now looks mediocre, I wonder why that is?
Westbrook in the fourth quarter:
Game 1 - 4th Qtr - 0-2 FG
Game 2 - 4th Qtr - 4-18 FG
Game 3 - 4th Qtr - 3-7 FG
Game 4 - 4th Qtr - 5-11 FG
Game 5 - 4th Qtr - 2-11 FG
Westbrook shot 29% in the 4th quarter for the series in which most of the games were competitive except for game 1.
But, but, Russell has no help right? Well, here's how his so called weak supporting cast fared for the series. These are the guys who logged the most minutes in the series.
Andre Roberson - 23/39 FG - 59%
Victor Oladipo - 17/44 FG - 39%
Steven Adams - 15/24 FG - 63%
Taj Gibson - 17/28 FG - 61%
Jerami Grant - 15/23 FG - 65%
Alex Abrines - 4/12 FG - 33%
Doug McDermott - 9/17 FG - 53%
Enes Kanter - 10/24 FG - 42%
Total for supporting cast - 110/211 FG - 52% shooting.
Westbrick for the series - 59/152 FG - 39% shooting.
As you can clearly see here, Westbrook attempted 3/4's of the total number of field goals that his entire supporting cast did for the series.
Meanwhile on the Rockets, sharp shooter stretch four Ryan Anderson is shooting 12.5% from the three, Ariza about the same, and Harden turns old man Nene into a superstar on pick and rolls.
That is nice and all but i think a more realistic stat is what the scoring differential was when he was on/off the court.
A good chunk of the missed shots were in the 4th quarter which i agree he tried to win the game every time and failed.
Lets not confuse a bunch of dunks and put backs (that were created almost exclusively by westbrook) as his teamates shooting a much better field goal percentage than him.
Everyone on that team looks lost and out of position when they run offensive sets. There are not shooters on that team except mcdermont and he has blatant holes in his game that he cant stay on the floor.
Do you know why they look lost? Because they spent the whole season watching Westbrook play hero ball and stat pad his way to triple doubles.
Meanwhile, Harden spent the season building trust and chemistry in his team mates.
If you're talking about the end of third quarters when the Rockets cut into or gained the lead, you're talking second unit vs second unit, where the Rockets have wisely put Eric Gordon to play sixth-man, and later added the other sixth-man candidate, Lou Williams. Either way, Westbrook panics, comes back in, and goes hero ball shooting bricks rather than playing the team game that got them the lead through most of three quarters.
Westbrook makes his team mates worse. That's why Durant left.
People arent factoring in most of westbrooks minutes off the court were also minutes adams was off the court. They sit together a ton. On the season Adams has only played 6 percent of his minutes without westbrook. Only 7 percent in teh playoffs. Late 3rd early 4th , the thunder were taking out adams and the rockets offense capitalized. Had little to do with westbrook
The defensive rating is what suffered with him off the court way worse than the offense, and thats due to adams way more than westbrook. Westbrook doesnt bother with defense this year much anyway. Contested 3.6 fgs per game. League low for guards who play more than 30 minutes. Hes more concerned about playing on the help side and sagging off his man for easy uncontested rebounds.
In closing i would aay that every single gm would name westbrook as a top 5 player
Man im going go have to walk away from this convo. I didnt realize the mvp trophy meant so much to fans
In closing i would aay that every single gm would name westbrook as a top 5 player
I bring facts and now your running away? oh cmon man
no not everyone cares this much. Its the fact they constently change criteria, and typically its against Harden. Its frustrating as hell when an mvp goes to a player with a team record that is 10th best in the league, when a guy who is putting up basically the same numbers the 3rd best record.
And its not top best player award. Its MVP.
I disagree, westbrooks style of 4th quarter bullshit knocks him out of top 5 player.
Fuck, give it to kawhi more than westbrook If I were starting a team. Westbrook wouldnt even be in the first 10 players Id take. No one wants to play with that ball hogging highest usage rate in nba history SOB. Doesnt even shake his "friend Hardens" hand after the series. Hes such a sore loser and imo a poor winner. Its all about Westbrook. Colin Cowherd is right. He really is kanye westbrook. He "Doesnt give an eff about his line" after a loss, but points out how many points he has to beverley in a spat. He tries to say the right things most of the time, but you just know hes lying. He is just so full of it and you can tell.
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
I agree with a lot of this but his team is terrible and i stand by that. Yes adams plays good defense but i would pick 10 other centers before him and that is the highest rated player they have on the team after Westbrook. He is not really a good shooter and is probably the best on the team outside of mcdermont. Houston has a ton of range decent shooters and ultimately that was the differene in the series. That and westbrook went ice cold every 4th quatrter
I would have a hard time picking between harden and westbrook if given a choice. They are both faboulous players
Dude i totally agree about the criteria but thats the point who cares its a bunch of old dudes vote for
The he tried to play hero ball and the stephan adams sat out the same time as him is hilarious
I would be shocked if adams rested even 2/3 of the same time as russ any stats to back that up? And even if he did 100% of time there is no way in hell i am attribuiting it to adams. That guy is not good
Yes there are stats to back it up.
On the season adams played only 6 percent of his minutes w/o westbrook. This series 7 percent
on the season okcs offensive rating w/o westbrook on the floor was 14 points worse. Defensive rating was 28 points worse. This coincides with when westbrook sits, adams sits. Adams is a really good defensive center. Was giving houston problems. Go watch the series. Westbrook sat, adams sat, we catch up
adams isnt good????!? Ok you lost some credibility there. He was ranked the 36th best player in the nba preseason lol. He is a legit rim protector. Id takehim over capela in a heartbeat.
i am not questioning his defensive abilities at all, he is just fine but he is a total slug and would not score anything if westbrook wasnt in the game
Im not suprised he was 36 preseason as he had a fantastic season last year and really gave golden state fits in the playoffs. He is definetly not a top 50 player after this season. Just no offensive game, yes he is an above average defender but remove westbrook from that team and they score 70 points a night.
Also you are discrediting westbrook who i think is one of hte best defensive gaurds in the game.
I have no dog in the fight but it is funny to hear people act like westbrook is a ballhog loser of a player. he is great, his team sucks
the better team won no question
westbrook is an above average defending guard. But he doesnt take on hard assignments this year at all. He played for weak side defensive rebounds to pad his rebounding stats. The thunder want him to lead a fast break so they engineered him getting rebounds this season.
Westbrook is one of the best on the break. He is a bad shooter. He is best when he drives. No one said adams was a great offensive talent. The thunders problem was defense with the bench unit. That is way more on adams than westbrook. They dont score well without westbrook. But there D is even worse. When adams left the floor they went small vs houston or like game 1 they put in kanter. Rockets explode.
Its frustrating to hear westbrook has no team, because what the hell was he doing for 3 quarters in these games? He was playing team ball and the team was playing well. 4th quarter westbrook showed up. On the series in the 4th quarter the thunder were I believe -24 with westbrook on the floor Btw. He had leads in practically every 4th quarter after game 1. Westbrook usage percentage this series was 66 percent. That is comically high
I agree with a lot of this but his team is terrible and i stand by that. Yes adams plays good defense but i would pick 10 other centers before him and that is the highest rated player they have on the team after Westbrook. He is not really a good shooter and is probably the best on the team outside of mcdermont. Houston has a ton of range decent shooters and ultimately that was the differene in the series. That and westbrook went ice cold every 4th quatrter
I would have a hard time picking between harden and westbrook if given a choice. They are both faboulous players
Its actually a very easy choice. Harden works well with teammates, doesnt overshoot, so much more efficient. Id take Harden 100 times out of 100 over westbrook. Nobody wants to play with westbrook.
Hardens game also has longevity. Westbrook is one injury away from being an awful player. If he doesnt get hurt he is going to decline hard. Once the burst is gone, its gone.
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Spurs / Rockets should be the best matchup of the round
Anyone giving Toronto a shred of a chance in this series with the Cavs?
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Spurs / Rockets should be the best matchup of the round
I personnaly cant see toronto winning more than 1 game but you never know. They dont seem to have any soul on that team. def have shooting and talent but not a lot of intangables imo.
Def looking forward to rockets/spurs and jazz/gs and boston toronto......so yeah pretty much i expect every series to be good except that one lol
Anyone giving Toronto a shred of a chance in this series with the Cavs?
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Spurs / Rockets should be the best matchup of the round
I personnaly cant see toronto winning more than 1 game but you never know. They dont seem to have any soul on that team. def have shooting and talent but not a lot of intangables imo.
Def looking forward to rockets/spurs and jazz/gs and boston toronto......so yeah pretty much i expect every series to be good except that one lol
I think you meant Boston/Washington
always good to clear the bench on the road in the playoffs 7+ minutes left in the game. Harden 20 and 14 and didnt have to play in the 4th
Anyone giving Toronto a shred of a chance in this series with the Cavs?
I think it's going to be hotly contested, but I don't see Toronto winning more than 2
Nope, I think I have better odds winning the lotto. The Raptors have no chance IMO.
Rockets crush spurs game 1. Just so you know thunder fans, thsts wjat happens when rockets shoot well, which they didnt do the whole thunder series.
always good to clear the bench on the road in the playoffs 7+ minutes left in the game. Harden 20 and 14 and didnt have to play in the 4th
I don't know what happened, but TheMarcus seems to have aged 10 years since the 2015 playoffs.
IT and Wall put on an absolute show going at each other. Isaiah took over in the 4th and in OT to win it.