Never change NYT - Super Mario World and Gender Politics

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  • This generation, man. It's kinda turning into the media. I find it annoying, but at the same time, a bit hilarious.



    "Oh no, a popular game... we got to make a big deal of it so we can ride off the coattails of their success and push our own cult agenda on..."



    That's basically what it amounts to.
  • Originally posted by: MrWunderful

     
    Originally posted by: Tulpa

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful

     
    Originally posted by: Tulpa

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    What the hell is a SJW?

    Social Justice Warrior.



    Depending on the view, either someone taking up the cause of minorities/women/etc., or someone pretending to take up those causes to get laid.

     





    Thats a thing now? Ugh



    It's been a thing for a while. Where have you been?  

     





    I dont concern myself with politics and shit like social media (except my IG which is just about games) so im blissfully ignorant



    Consider yourself lucky. 



    Social media was one of the worst choices I ever made, at least Facebook anyway. That's where the vast majority of this stuff lives, although it's slowly (but surely) seeping into mainstream life.



    Can't even sit on a train normal in some places anymore because of it.

     
  • "SJWs" are always competing with each other to see who can be more sensitive than the other. They're more easily-offended than the minorities they try to defend. They get a little high each time they find a new little thing to condemn before someone else does.
  • Originally posted by: Ichinisan



    "SJWs" are always competing with each other to see who can be more sensitive than the other. They're more easily-offended than the minorities they try to defend. They get a little high each time they find a new little thing to condemn before someone else does.

    They are annoying, but the "bros" who go on about how SJWs are ruining everything are just as annoying. Not saying you are, but both sides get old quick.



     
  • This is what happens on trumps America.
  • Go play Metroid you tuggers. I don't hear the Italian community freaking out because they are depicted as a plumber and goombas in Mario. People need to get a grip.
  • Originally posted by: SwiftFrost

    The NYT with more cutting edge op-eds, trying to figure out how to stop floundering in the age of declining print circulations and record low ad revenues. Move along.



    nailed it.
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

    Originally posted by: John Anderson



    But in the end why does it really matter. It does not hurt anyone or anything. The whole gender issue does not really matter unless the person is a bitch feminist or a butt hurt transgender college kid. I'm sorry, this is just bullshit that does not pertain to anything to make a better society except destroy it.

    This is your first post? Probably should've picked a less controversial topic to introduce yourself.   Uhh, welcome to NA... I think.





    I like him. He says what most people are thinking.
  • Originally posted by: John Anderson



    But in the end why does it really matter. It does not hurt anyone or anything. The whole gender issue does not really matter unless the person is a bitch feminist or a butt hurt transgender college kid.

    Is this like people who get incredibly butt hurt over some idiot kneeling? Seems like everyone is butt hurt now, even the people who spend much of their time complaining about other people being butt hurt.



    People in general seem to spend way too much being upset and finding reasons to be negative. It's kind of a weird trend. Maybe it's addicive or something.



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  • That kitten offends me.  
  • Originally posted by: JosephLeo



    This is why Trump is president.



    Also...did they just assume Mario's gender!?!





    +1 



    People are sick of this whiny bs
  • Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil



    Go play Metroid you tuggers. I don't hear the Italian community freaking out because they are depicted as a plumber and goombas in Mario. People need to get a grip.

    Huh huh. He said "tugger".





     
  • It's all science. It's our inborn natural instinct as a human species in order to survive. When nothing challenges us, the next best thing is to make stuff up or find something that makes our lives seem less meaningless.



    The reason why other people may want to bandwagon is that it is also a survival instinct. "Monkey see, monkey do." It's all part of finding something to get mad at 'cuz we're all feeling like nothing challenges us to survive.



    Trust me, you give a guy a spear, send him out in a middle of a jungle with nothing but a loin cloth and no ties to civilization, the last damn thing on his mind is gender politics.



    That's probably the problem. People are just too sheltered. They just need to be attacked by a bear is all.  
  • Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos



    It's all science. It's our inborn natural instinct as a human species in order to survive. When nothing challenges us, the next best thing is to make stuff up or find something that makes our lives seem less meaningless.



    The reason why other people may want to bandwagon is that it is also a survival instinct. "Monkey see, monkey do." It's all part of finding something to get mad at 'cuz we're all feeling like nothing challenges us to survive.



    Trust me, you give a guy a spear, send him out in a middle of a jungle with nothing but a loin cloth and no ties to civilization, the last damn thing on his mind is gender politics.



    That's probably the problem. People are just too sheltered. They just need to be attacked by a bear is all.  



    That's certainly part of it, but I also think people want to be opressed to some extent. No better ticket to special treatment and a fast pass through life than to be "marginalized."



     
  • How is SJW being used precisely as a pejorative? I'm genuinely unclear. It's not a term used in my circles. An earlier comment seemed to imply its usage refers to white folks who end up defending minorities, and does not include minorities themselves, i.e. a person of color cannot be a SJW. I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.
  • Originally posted by: SnowSauce

     
    Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos



    It's all science. It's our inborn natural instinct as a human species in order to survive. When nothing challenges us, the next best thing is to make stuff up or find something that makes our lives seem less meaningless.



    The reason why other people may want to bandwagon is that it is also a survival instinct. "Monkey see, monkey do." It's all part of finding something to get mad at 'cuz we're all feeling like nothing challenges us to survive.



    Trust me, you give a guy a spear, send him out in a middle of a jungle with nothing but a loin cloth and no ties to civilization, the last damn thing on his mind is gender politics.



    That's probably the problem. People are just too sheltered. They just need to be attacked by a bear is all.  



    That's certainly part of it, but I also think people want to be opressed to some extent. No better ticket to special treatment and a fast pass through life than to be "marginalized."



     



    Yeah, people whining about how something offends them isn't oppression, just a shallow excuse of what they think it is. If they want their life to have a true detrimetnal outcome, then they should burn all their money, live on the streets and go hungry and homeless. It's harsh, but if they want to know what "harsh" really is, it's out there.



    Of course, there are better, more positive ways to go about it. Some people just go camping. lol Again, going back to the man and the spear thing.  

     
  • Originally posted by: alakhira



    How is SJW being used precisely as a pejorative? I'm genuinely unclear. It's not a term used in my circles. An earlier comment seemed to imply its usage refers to white folks who end up defending minorities, and does not include minorities themselves, i.e. a person of color cannot be a SJW. I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.

    He wasn't talking about strictly racial minorities. SJWs are as much about LGBT/gender/feminism/religion/class minorities as racial minorities. Heck, in the case of feminism and Occupy Wall Street/the 99%, they aren't even strictly about minorities (women make up the majority of the population as do the 99%). It's really any group which feels marginalized by another more powerful group.
  • Originally posted by: alakhira



    How is SJW being used precisely as a pejorative? I'm genuinely unclear. It's not a term used in my circles. An earlier comment seemed to imply its usage refers to white folks who end up defending minorities, and does not include minorities themselves, i.e. a person of color cannot be a SJW. I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.



    Well, for what it's worth, my intent of posting was that these sort of overwrought articles that the NYT constantly publishes end up trivializing real, valid concerns. Plus, Super Mario Run reference.



    Your definition of SJW is way off, however, although different groups use it to advance different agendas.

     
  • I am a staunch feminist, thus if Peach is happy being a cake baking delicate flower, I will punch people who belittle her for living up to a stereotype and being happy for being who she is.

    Likewise, I will punch people who belittle her for being a delicate flower and that her place is at the kitchen just as hard.



    As far as I am concerned, men and women are equal and can be whatever the eff they want to be as long as they are happy about it and no unconsenting third party is directly harmed by their decision.
  • You don't like the game, just don't buy it. Simple as that. No need to whine about there not being pangender otherkin attack helicopters in Nintendo games. SJWs are absolute cancer
  • Originally posted by: meta-mark

     
    Originally posted by: JosephLeo



    This is why Trump is president.



    Also...did they just assume Mario's gender!?!





    +1 



    People are sick of this whiny bs



    +2

     
  • Originally posted by: Bea_Iank



    I am a staunch feminist, thus if Peach is happy being a cake baking delicate flower, I will punch people who belittle her for living up to a stereotype and being happy for being who she is.

    Likewise, I will punch people who belittle her for being a delicate flower and that her place is at the kitchen just as hard.



    As far as I am concerned, men and women are equal and can be whatever the eff they want to be as long as they are happy about it and no unconsenting third party is directly harmed by their decision.

    +1. Even as a man, I believe both genders should be treated as equals. But why people get so butthurt over a video game is beyond me. It's not as if any of it were real.



    I think Anita Sarkesian would have been proud. She damned games that included female protagonists as well as those that didn't. Some fights the developers just can't win. Most gamers, male or female, don't care; they just wanna be entertained. And I enjoy playing games with female protagonists like Shantae just as much as I do Zelda or Mario.



     
  • Originally posted by: alakhira



    ... I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.



    This sounds like an SJW.



    Any examples of these posts or threads?



    You mean like satirically acknowledging privilege like the "first world problems" meme or mocking mysoginy by exaggerating it?
  • Originally posted by: Ichinisan

     
    Originally posted by: alakhira



    ... I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.



    This sounds like an SJW.



    Any examples of these posts or threads?



    You mean like satirically acknowledging privilege like the "first world problems" meme or mocking mysoginy by exaggerating it?



    The thread that first comes to mind was that safe space thread. Honestly I think that was the first time I heard the term SJW used in a dismissive way but many of the responses in that thread also lacked both empathy and understanding. This thread isn't a big deal because the original article is about something less serious, a mario app. 



    CZRoe above was helpful in broadening exactly what falls under this SJW usage. 

     
  • Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos

     
    Originally posted by: SnowSauce

     
    Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos



    It's all science. It's our inborn natural instinct as a human species in order to survive. When nothing challenges us, the next best thing is to make stuff up or find something that makes our lives seem less meaningless.



    The reason why other people may want to bandwagon is that it is also a survival instinct. "Monkey see, monkey do." It's all part of finding something to get mad at 'cuz we're all feeling like nothing challenges us to survive.



    Trust me, you give a guy a spear, send him out in a middle of a jungle with nothing but a loin cloth and no ties to civilization, the last damn thing on his mind is gender politics.



    That's probably the problem. People are just too sheltered. They just need to be attacked by a bear is all.  



    That's certainly part of it, but I also think people want to be opressed to some extent. No better ticket to special treatment and a fast pass through life than to be "marginalized."



     



    Yeah, people whining about how something offends them isn't oppression, just a shallow excuse of what they think it is. If they want their life to have a true detrimetnal outcome, then they should burn all their money, live on the streets and go hungry and homeless. It's harsh, but if they want to know what "harsh" really is, it's out there.



    Of course, there are better, more positive ways to go about it. Some people just go camping. lol Again, going back to the man and the spear thing.  

     



    Exactly. 



    It's just frustrating, some of us want a better life and actively try to seek it rather than waiting for handouts from "The Man."

     
  • Originally posted by: alakhira

     
    Originally posted by: Ichinisan

     
    Originally posted by: alakhira



    ... I may be expecting too much since it seems to be cast about as an easy way of dismissing other viewpoints without actually trying to understand them.



    In any event as a nonwhite member of NA I am constantly struck at how white NA conversations come off in this section of the forum when it comes to social and political issues. There really seems to be a lack of empathy and/or understanding of what people from marginalized, especially nonwhite, communities go through.



    This sounds like an SJW.



    Any examples of these posts or threads?



    You mean like satirically acknowledging privilege like the "first world problems" meme or mocking mysoginy by exaggerating it?



    The thread that first comes to mind was that safe space thread. Honestly I think that was the first time I heard the term SJW used in a dismissive way but many of the responses in that thread also lacked both empathy and understanding. This thread isn't a big deal because the original article is about something less serious, a mario app. 



    CZRoe above was helpful in broadening exactly what falls under this SJW usage. 

     

    Y'know, if people do right and help people, that's fine. When it becomes something negative is when people do it only for attention or their own nefarious reasons.



    I see it like this: A true hero often teaches someone how NOT to be offended, rather than just complain. A true hero also doesn't ask or demand for anything in return.



    I can empathize with people, but that will only go so far when there's people out there who would rather take advantage of people and make the ones who try to do right look bad.

     
  • Maddox made an article condemning "link-bait" articles like this even before that women in games video:

    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ranker_sucks



    He has a rare perspective on this, since he is subject to "promo-spam" as the operator of a well-established web site. I think he called it "link-bait" because the term click-bait was not in common use yet, but it's clearly the same thing.



    Now we know why all the "real" news sites have those BS off-site click-bait links at the bottom.  



    This directly led to his wedding veil review, which was the last video before the women in games video:

    http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=veil_review
  • Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos

    They just need to be attacked by a bear is all.  



    oh look, problem solved. Anybody have a bear handy?  

    Seriously though, that's absolutely true. The more we advance, the easier life becomes, which leads to boredom. You need something to keep you occupied. I'm sure that's a large part of why some of us turn to collecting video games
  • The thing that I don't understand, as a white male, is why people don't lobby for men's rights, make a big deal for them, etc. If true equality is what is trying to be achieved, then I think it should work in both ways...



    I work in Taiwan, Taiwan is hot all year around. Even now, it is hot. During the summers, sometimes I sweat so bad that my thighs get chafed, even wearing shorts. I always bring an extra shirt if I go on a date, so that I have something fresh to change into. What is my point to this? One time, I had been reprimanded for wearing shorts to work (I teach at a school), since they wouldn't turn the air conditioner on in the morning, and the heat would make me sometimes feel sick. But the local women working there, they could wear short shorts exposing their whole legs, just because they were women! When I lived in the States, there was a similar situation at the National Park visitor center in Gettysburg. Men could only wear pants, but women could wear skirts, maybe even some dressy shorts. One of my colleagues eventually wore a kilt to prove a point.



    And what about things like nail polish, etc. I am not a feminine man and am straight, but would gladly wear some darker nail polish from time to time, why not be able to paint your body and let creativity flow? But if I did that in many places, I would be laughed at and possibly even fired from my job....and for what reason? Women can wear dresses, skirts and slacks, can wear neck ties and sport coats, etc. If we look at how clothes evolved, many of the "female" clothes used to apply to both genders. And by now women have free range to wear basically anything, but men are quite limited in comparison, with very few daring to break the code and chance being made fun of. But we then bitch about something trivial as whether the main character in a game is a man or a woman? It just doesn't make sense to me.
  • So Super Mario Run is sexist and is calling Nintendo out in that fashion. Did the editor of this article ever once play a Mario game before this app? Because we have a huge bevy of sports, party, racing, and puzzle games that not only feature Peach, Toadette, Daisy, Birdo (whom is apparently transgendered), Rosealina and hell we even have infant variants of certain female characters all of which are playable characters. Then we have Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario 3D Land/ World and Super Princess Peach, all of which are platform games with playable female characters. If anything else the Mario series is a series that caters heavily to both genders and anyone finding something sexist about it has to REALLY find something to nitpick about.
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