My word, for years, was monopoly as MONO-pole-ee. Felt pretty dumb when I heard for the first time in my 6th/7th grade civics class. I have no clue why no one corrected me.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Turkish and Greek food are very similar given the geographic proximity and history. Most shops in the U.K. are Turkish run while Greeks came in large numbers to the US earlier so they're better established here in contrast. Of course both will adamantly assert the difference between the cuisines.
As for fries, if you ever go to the Mideast they put fries in all their shawarmas and wraps. You can even get a batata sandwhich which leaves out the meat for fries alone!
Haha, I haven't done it with gyros but my brain definitely thinks of goofy shit like this all the time.
I am also on the "year-o" train but I have to assume "euro" and "year-o" are the same thing just different dialects. Its 100% not "guy-row" even though its funny to say and it pisses people off rather easily, for some reason. Burger/hot dog places run by Greeks are everywhere in Chicago and they always pronounce it "euro" or "year-o" so that's how I have always said it.
Year-oh and Jai-row are both correct pronunciations. Jai-row is the result of Anglicization of the original greek word year-o, where the original Y sound becomes a J sound.
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
Why was I unaware that "going Greek" was a slur until now? >_>
Year-oh and Jai-row are both correct pronunciations. Jai-row is the result of Anglicization of the original greek word year-o, where the original Y sound becomes a J sound.
It's a soft J, like yogging.
Originally posted by: Nirvana
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: rlh
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
Why was I unaware that "going Greek" was a slur until now? >_>
Only one I've heard of is a "Greek Shower" (which could really apply to any number of nationalities)- bathing yourself in cologne to the point of where people can smell you before they see you.
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
This thread was already making me hungry and now I want to sodomize somebody with an olive oil slippy slide. I'm prone to suggestion. Kinda like seeing an ad for the McRib sandwich and buying one even though I don't like the McRib. I love gyros myself, just started frequenting a Lebanese restaurant and the food is very similar as well. Anyway, I pronounce it yee-ro and when people say it differently, it sounds silly like when people say MARE-E-O when people pronounce Mario and I want to slap them.
Year-oh and Jai-row are both correct pronunciations. Jai-row is the result of Anglicization of the original greek word year-o, where the original Y sound becomes a J sound.
I think over there "Jai" is pronounced like "Jay" in North America though.
If i heard someone say,in person, gyro the way some of you say it i'd have to ask what the hell you were talking about. Ive only ever heard it pronounced gyro as in gyromite or gyroscope, or the gy sounds like ji. What is all this euro and yeeero nonsense?
Gunpei... I almos can't believe that video. I've always heard people correct everyone who's cally it a "jai-ro". Maybe the Greek's/Turkish/Lebonese gave up the battle in NYC!
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
The only places around here that have "grinders" on the menu are explicitly selling them as hot sandwiches.
(i.e. Zeros Subs offered an assortment of "grinders" -- all are hot sandwiches)
That's not to say that a cold sub place wouldn't sell you a cold sub if you asked for a grinder, though .
VA and GA, "sub" was a pretty universal term for a long sandwich. (i.e. a submarine sandwich)
And actually, I don't know that I ever heard the term "hoagie" used with any regularity until Wawa moved further south and started running "Hoagie Fest" commercials a few years ago.
Gunpei... I almos can't believe that video. I've always heard people correct everyone who's cally it a "jai-ro". Maybe the Greek's/Turkish/Lebonese gave up the battle in NYC!
I've heard Greek, or regionally similar, food stands call it a "gyro" (as in gyroscope) to American patrons, assuming they wouldn't know what it was called, otherwise.
Greek places I've been to in the UK seemed to ALL call it by that (wrong) pronunciation, for whatever reason.
This is basically the same battle as calling a croissant by the correct pronunciation
(though saying gyro correctly sounds a lot less snobby)
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
The only places around here that have "grinders" on the menu are explicitly selling them as hot sandwiches.
(i.e. Zeros Subs offered an assortment of "grinders" -- all are hot sandwiches)
That's not to say that a cold sub place wouldn't sell you a cold sub if you asked for a grinder, though .
VA and GA, "sub" was a pretty universal term for a long sandwich. (i.e. a submarine sandwich)
And actually, I don't know that I ever heard the term "hoagie" used with any regularity until Wawa moved further south and started running "Hoagie Fest" commercials a few years ago.
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard
Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
Well that opens a different theory.
That would be older/retired northerners travelling south on vacation and spending time in Williamsburg on the way.
(I don't know the reach of William and Mary, but I always had the impression that while they were a notable private school, they catered to VA residents, mostly)
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
Well that opens a different theory.
That would be older/retired northerners travelling south on vacation and spending time in Williamsburg on the way.
(I don't know the reach of William and Mary, but I always had the impression that while they were a notable private school, they catered to VA residents, mostly)
Maybe. I'm not entirely sure as I never went there (or cared too much about it when I was in the area).
Up here, you'll find them called subs, grinders, or sandwiches. Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
I always thought of "hoagies" as being New Jersey regional dialect, but it might be a misconception, solely based on where Wawa seems to have radiated out from (i.e. NJ -> DE, and then points south)
Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
I always thought of "hoagies" as being New Jersey regional dialect, but it might be a misconception, solely based on where Wawa seems to have radiated out from (i.e. NJ -> DE, and then points south)
I had an ex who came from Pittsburgh, and she always called it a hoagie, so it might be those middle states
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I've heard "hero" in my family, but sometimes I say "gee-row."
Totally different type of sandwich
Agreed, but then that gets people fired up if you called that sandwich a hoagie...
To my chagrin, I don't know off the top of my head the difference between a hero and a hoagie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich#Hero
This is interesting, though.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
I used to say "Grand Pricks" as a kid
Just be careful to maintain your Chass-iss when you go to the track.
I used to say "Grand Pricks" as a kid
Just be careful to maintain your Chass-iss when you go to the track.
corps and colonel were tough ones for me as a kid
As for fries, if you ever go to the Mideast they put fries in all their shawarmas and wraps. You can even get a batata sandwhich which leaves out the meat for fries alone!
I am also on the "year-o" train but I have to assume "euro" and "year-o" are the same thing just different dialects. Its 100% not "guy-row" even though its funny to say and it pisses people off rather easily, for some reason. Burger/hot dog places run by Greeks are everywhere in Chicago and they always pronounce it "euro" or "year-o" so that's how I have always said it.
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
Why was I unaware that "going Greek" was a slur until now? >_>
Year-oh and Jai-row are both correct pronunciations. Jai-row is the result of Anglicization of the original greek word year-o, where the original Y sound becomes a J sound.
It's a soft J, like yogging.
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
Why was I unaware that "going Greek" was a slur until now? >_>
Only one I've heard of is a "Greek Shower" (which could really apply to any number of nationalities)- bathing yourself in cologne to the point of where people can smell you before they see you.
Kebab is an interesting one, though, since it can mean a lot of different dishes in a lot of different cultures.
"Doner kebab" is probably what you're referring to, which is BASICALLY the Turkish version of a Greek gyro (i.e. essentially a gyro with doner sauce)
Come to think of it, while I was in London the shop I frequented was owned and ran by a Turkish ex-pat. So, yeah, I bet it was a Turkish restaurant, though the food seemed mostly the same. I wouldn't no for sure because I stuck to the gyro/kebab thing for every meal I ate at his restaurant.
Turkey and Greece have a lot of culinary similarities, for what are probably incredibly obvious reasons.
(they also have a great trade of cultural insults... don't know if you've ever heard the slur "going Greek", but from what I understand, the Greeks say "going Turkish" to mean the same thing -- i.e. sodomizing somebody with olive oil as the lubricant)
This thread was already making me hungry and now I want to sodomize somebody with an olive oil slippy slide. I'm prone to suggestion. Kinda like seeing an ad for the McRib sandwich and buying one even though I don't like the McRib. I love gyros myself, just started frequenting a Lebanese restaurant and the food is very similar as well. Anyway, I pronounce it yee-ro and when people say it differently, it sounds silly like when people say MARE-E-O when people pronounce Mario and I want to slap them.
Originally posted by: Guntz
Year-oh and Jai-row are both correct pronunciations. Jai-row is the result of Anglicization of the original greek word year-o, where the original Y sound becomes a J sound.
I think over there "Jai" is pronounced like "Jay" in North America though.
I've heard "hero" in my family, but sometimes I say "gee-row."
Totally different type of sandwich
Agreed, but then that gets people fired up if you called that sandwich a hoagie...
To my chagrin, I don't know off the top of my head the difference between a hero and a hoagie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub...
This is interesting, though.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
To my chagrin, I don't know off the top of my head the difference between a hero and a hoagie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich#Hero
This is interesting, though.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
The only places around here that have "grinders" on the menu are explicitly selling them as hot sandwiches.
(i.e. Zeros Subs offered an assortment of "grinders" -- all are hot sandwiches)
That's not to say that a cold sub place wouldn't sell you a cold sub if you asked for a grinder, though .
VA and GA, "sub" was a pretty universal term for a long sandwich. (i.e. a submarine sandwich)
And actually, I don't know that I ever heard the term "hoagie" used with any regularity until Wawa moved further south and started running "Hoagie Fest" commercials a few years ago.
Originally posted by: rlh
Gunpei... I almos can't believe that video. I've always heard people correct everyone who's cally it a "jai-ro". Maybe the Greek's/Turkish/Lebonese gave up the battle in NYC!
I've heard Greek, or regionally similar, food stands call it a "gyro" (as in gyroscope) to American patrons, assuming they wouldn't know what it was called, otherwise.
Greek places I've been to in the UK seemed to ALL call it by that (wrong) pronunciation, for whatever reason.
This is basically the same battle as calling a croissant by the correct pronunciation
(though saying gyro correctly sounds a lot less snobby)
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
To my chagrin, I don't know off the top of my head the difference between a hero and a hoagie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich#Hero
This is interesting, though.
I would have thought it was a distinct sandwich type and not simply a regional name for a fairly generic sandwich concept.
(in my region a "grinder", for instance, universally refers to a hot sandwich, using deli meat, as opposed to the inclusion of meatball or sausage based sandwiches per the link)
Grinders up here are any/all subs/hoagies. Hot or cold. If I remember right, it was the same in Virginia where I lived (never had an issue calling them one vs the other). Past VA, though, i would probably say "sub" over anything else as that seems more universal thank grinder or hoagie.
The only places around here that have "grinders" on the menu are explicitly selling them as hot sandwiches.
(i.e. Zeros Subs offered an assortment of "grinders" -- all are hot sandwiches)
That's not to say that a cold sub place wouldn't sell you a cold sub if you asked for a grinder, though .
VA and GA, "sub" was a pretty universal term for a long sandwich. (i.e. a submarine sandwich)
And actually, I don't know that I ever heard the term "hoagie" used with any regularity until Wawa moved further south and started running "Hoagie Fest" commercials a few years ago.
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard
Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
Originally posted by: dra600n
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Originally posted by: dra600n
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: dra600n
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
Well that opens a different theory.
That would be older/retired northerners travelling south on vacation and spending time in Williamsburg on the way.
(I don't know the reach of William and Mary, but I always had the impression that while they were a notable private school, they catered to VA residents, mostly)
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: dra600n
There was a pizzeria on Jefferson Ave that had "grinders" on the menu, both hot and cold, so it wasn't everywhere. Same on Warwick Blvd near the shipyard Either way, it's not like they'll beat you up for saying a different term for the same thing, unless you're a Yankee haha
I wonder if both were catering to the fact that they have probably had a bunch of people come down from Electric Boat over the years and bringing their Yankee nomenclature with them
Quite possibly, though it would've extended up to Williamsburg where I used to play poker (the place has since shut down, though, but it was near the college of William and Mary, so it may have just catered to other regions for being a college town/college bar).
Well that opens a different theory.
That would be older/retired northerners travelling south on vacation and spending time in Williamsburg on the way.
(I don't know the reach of William and Mary, but I always had the impression that while they were a notable private school, they catered to VA residents, mostly)
Maybe. I'm not entirely sure as I never went there (or cared too much about it when I was in the area).
Up here, you'll find them called subs, grinders, or sandwiches. Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
Originally posted by: dra600n
Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
I always thought of "hoagies" as being New Jersey regional dialect, but it might be a misconception, solely based on where Wawa seems to have radiated out from (i.e. NJ -> DE, and then points south)
Originally posted by: dra600n
Hoagie is never used around here (that I'm aware of), and there's no separation of hot vs cold with the terminology.
I always thought of "hoagies" as being New Jersey regional dialect, but it might be a misconception, solely based on where Wawa seems to have radiated out from (i.e. NJ -> DE, and then points south)
I had an ex who came from Pittsburgh, and she always called it a hoagie, so it might be those middle states