Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Also, while it's nice to be able and sit back and say "it's all media hysteria," I can sit here and say for a fact that at least 3 families in my neighborhood can neither have family come visit nor leave the country, since they risk not being allowed back in. These are not illegal immigrants, but green card holders. So, yeah, real people are being affected, even if some people don't see it up close.
Unless they are from syria. Its 120 days
but youll probably say syria now to prove a point
Not Syria, but we shall see on the 120 days. It doesn't really address why Green Card holders should be impacted for one day, let alone 120, though. Immigrants and refugees, ok, no issues from me if it's temporary.
Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Touch a nerve did we? We're ten days into his presidency, you might want to get a larger backbone because there is going to be a lot of criticism coming over these next four years. God knows all those liberals were able to do it during the Obummer years. And I love your final line. How self-righteous.
And why would I apologize for commenting on the speculated legislation (by another member) aka for "being wrong". Oh, the self-righteous part
I'm carefully considering yours and my posts because this is getting dangerously close to inappropriate for NA. And I have obligations to other people here that cannot be recklessly endangered. Let's keep it to discussing the presidency, not other users and each other.
Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Touch a nerve did we? We're ten days into his presidency, you might want to get a larger backbone because there is going to be a lot of criticism coming over these next four years. God knows all those liberals were able to do it during the Obummer years. And I love your final line. How self-righteous.
And why would I apologize for commenting on the speculated legislation (by another member) aka for "being wrong". Oh, the self-righteous part
I'm carefully considering yours and my posts because this is getting dangerously close to inappropriate for NA. And I have obligations to other people here that cannot be recklessly endangered.
No nerve touched. I just want people to stop spreading lies and hate through wild speculation, and give the Pres a chance. I'm convinceable to another point-of-view when debating. However when I smell bullshit, I call it out. If that makes me 'self-righteous', so be it. But I've switched sides due to good points many times here on NA, so one might say I'm a good listener. My backbone is thicker than most, but thanks for your concern. I don't think we've said anything that could be deemed inappropriate, so IMO we can rest easy.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
I have been carrying a stab scar since 2004 for me being a lesbian, thank you.
Bea, not to go off topic, but you posted that same photo in another thread and claimed the scar was the result of domestic violence at the hands of a former partner. Now you are saying it was due to your sexual preference???
Granted, I am truly sorry this happened to you, and violence against women, or anyone, for any reason, domestic, hate crime, etc, is uncalled for.
I have been carrying a stab scar since 2004 for me being a lesbian, thank you.
Bea, not to go off topic, but you posted that same photo in another thread and claimed the scar was the result of domestic violence at the hands of a former partner. Now you are saying it was due to your sexual preference???
Granted, I am truly sorry this happened to you, and violence against women, or anyone, for any reason, domestic, hate crime, etc, is uncalled for.
I never claimed this was due to domestic violence. It was because I was a lesbian, dating in a night club back in 2004.
I had a former partner that was abusive and put me out of ever wanting relationships since 2010, but that violence was more psychological than physical.
It evolved to domestic violence at some point. You probably assumed this was due to it since that was the way the conversation evolved. It is all okay, though.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Apparently it is written, but Trump has decided not to enact the order at this time. As an aside, Trump is not for gay marriage, I know someone mentioned that earlier.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Apparently it is written, but Trump has decided not to enact the order at this time. As an aside, Trump is not for gay marriage, I know someone mentioned that earlier.
Yeah, but the fact POTUS even considered it scares me.
Originally posted by: Bea_Iank
I never claimed this was due to domestic violence. It was because I was a lesbian, dating in a night club back in 2004.
I had a former partner that was abusive and put me out of ever wanting relationships since 2010, but that violence was more psychological than physical.
It evolved to domestic violence at some point. You probably assumed this was due to it since that was the way the conversation evolved. It is all okay, though.
Okay sorry about the mixup. Good luck on the soul-mate search. She is out there somewhere...
I'm banning both of you until you complete TMNT 2:The Arcade Game in Co-Op mode together.
Welp, looks like I have a new punishment for my kids when they aren't getting along nicely. I'll change it to BattleToads when they're being really bad!
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Alternative Fact: More people voted for Trump if you count all the millions of illegal votes cast.
Alternative Facts are fun. You don't have to have any evidence or basis at all you just get to say what you want!
All kidding aside...I think it's perfectly fine to stand up and criticize his actions, but I also agree with Paul that we should be fair and criticize actions he's actually taken - I'm not going to get all up in arms about rumors of his next actions, without strong evidence to support them.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
A bit of good news, those EO rumors were false. Statement released that Trump will be keeping current LGBTQ workplace protections.
I'm expecting more scares like this. All it takes is some funded group to 'leak' random racist/sexist/homophobic sentiment and say it's 'being considered' to throw everyone into panic mode (and get awfully angry), even when there's no proof. It's sad the media would play with people's hearts like this, but I guess that's what they're best at these days.
A bit of good news, those EO rumors were false. Statement released that Trump will be keeping current LGBTQ workplace protections.
I'm expecting more scares like this. All it takes is some funded group to 'leak' random racist/sexist/homophobic sentiment and say it's 'being considered' to throw everyone into panic mode (and get awfully angry), even when there's no proof. It's sad the media would play with people's hearts like this, but I guess that's what they're best at these days.
People (of whatever persuasion) rarely let the truth get in the way of their respective agenda.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Guess what? It's not real. It's actually complete bullshit.
I'm banning both of you until you complete TMNT 2:The Arcade Game in Co-Op mode together.
Welp, looks like I have a new punishment for my kids when they aren't getting along nicely. I'll change it to BattleToads when they're being really bad!
Haha. I'd actually be up for either one. I still haven't passed Clinger Winger though.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
^There's proof that a surprisingly large amount of illegals/non-citizens voted in the US in the 2008 and 2010 elections.
There is also video evidence of widespread voter fraud that no one seems to care about. The video evidence includes obtaining ballots for the deceased, slipping reams of ballots into voter boxes, taking locked GEMS voting computers off-facility, and allowing people to vote in more than one state.
I strongly believe that the investigation going on right now will uncover at least 4 million illegal votes in Hillary's favor.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
Pretty much everyone claims a mandate (or someone claims it for them) - which is patently absurd since (assuming they do have one) it is likely a mandate on one or two core issues rather than the whole panoply of them that whatever side wants to ram down the other side's throat. My point is that no one won a plurality - which seems to be an important element if you want to purse the rabbit hole of the popular vote being a determinant of any sort in presidential elections.
While the numbers of fraudulent voters (which has been happening since I can remember even in grade school "Landslide Lyndon" Johnson is but one example of this) is unknown- anyone that says none occurred is living in cloud cuckoo land. How much is a matter of conjecture (and likely ulitimately unanswerable (and certain interests would never want it to be investigated in any event) - but various of the states have made it so easy to fraudently vote it is pathetic. In Colorado all you have to do is show up with a utility bill. On the specific issue of illegals voting it is no stretch to believe that some percentage of them voted - after all the vast majority of them routinely break laws starting with local zoning on up to multiple Federal felonies - with such blatant disregard for our laws why would they hesitate to vote in order to sway the political system to their advantage?
And look at the desperate efforts to undermine the electoral college - arguing (falsely) that HRC won the majority of the popular vote, the electoral college being invalid since it was based on pro-slavery concerns (it wasn't), Jill Stein trying to get recounts (who funded that one asks?) while stating she wasn't doing it for HRC - but somehow only states that HRC lost were considered - even though some states that HRC won were even closer than the ones she wanted recounts in. When all that failed there was an attempt to subborn the members of the electoral college - which amusingly enough resulted in HRC losing more votes than Trump. No surprise then that there is some pushback - something traditional Republicans are usually too wimpy to do.
There's proof that a surprisingly large amount of Illegals voted in the US in the 2008 and 2010 elections.
There is also video evidence of widespread voter fraud that no one seems to care about.
I strongly believe that the investigation going on right now will uncover at least 4 million illegal votes in Hillary's favor.
Have you actually read that paper?
There is some pretty broad uncertainty in terms of their actual number of non-citizens that managed to vote.
(for 2008, their estimate ranges from 38,000 to 2.8MM)
You'll have to show your math to make a remotely plausible claim about 4 million illegal votes.
Not even Trump was claiming a number that high.
EVEN THEN if it comes to pass that that Trump had more votes that Clinton, HE STILL DIDN'T HAVE THE MAJORITY.
Let's assume that no illegal votes went for Trump (which is somewhat unlikely, if you're asserting that 4MM illegal votes were cast).
So he retains 62,985,105 votes.
The total vote count drops from 135,717,084 down to 131,717,084 (unlikely, since 4MM is crazy talk).
Trump only moves from 46% to less than 48% of the popular vote.
He would have "won" the popular vote by having more than any other individual candidate, BUT HE WOULD NOT HAVE A "MANDATE" which is the critical distinction.
The "majority of people" would still not have voted for him, which is what he and his people keep whining about.
But I think it is FAR MORE LIKELY that the investigation is going to find that he still lost the popular vote, just like everybody has been pointing out since the election.
It doesn't invalidate his victory, because we have an electoral college system.
But it does make the critical distinction that likely the majority of people in this country disagree with him on enough issues to have not voted for him in the first place. So disapproval and complaints are to be expected.
And look at the desperate efforts to undermine the electoral college - arguing (falsely) that HRC won the majority of the popular vote, the electoral college being invalid since it was based on pro-slavery concerns (it wasn't),
I think any argument trying to undermine the election via stating the electoral college is invalid is absurd.
It is the system we have. And the stability of our rule of law is import enough that our system should be honored, unless it is changed through the proper channels.
The results of the election could, completely reasonably, encourage a revisitation of our system.
(i.e. how most of the states have a "first past the post" system on electoral votes, which I'm sure I'm not alone in finding to be an inappropriate representation of the will of the people)
Obviously, you can't go to a straight popular vote, because flyover states would be even less relevant than they are today.
But you could completely dispel this "red state vs blue state" shit storm that has existed for decades, where a couple of states are the only ones that "really matter".
If you had things proportional by state, rather than first-past-the-post, you suddenly have a system where 3rd parties are viable, and the two major parties have a lot less certainty about where they will win and lose.
That study proves that a number significantly greater than 0% of illegals voted.
It also shows that illegal votes are approximately 66.7% in favor of the Democrats.
I wouldn't call that 'no evidence'. Especially when a large amount of further video evidence exists from the 2016 election, going beyond votes from illegals. This investigation won't come up empty handed. I'm certain of that.
I want the voting system in the US to be fair. That's all. I don't want any 'I live in another state, so can I vote?' Sure! 'Well, I don't actually live here.' Just tell them you're staying with your cousin indefinitely and you won't have any problems. 'I don't have my ID on me, is that still okay?' Sure!
^I don't think these dishonest kind of situations are right, and you shouldn't either.
What I would call whining is the people who hate that Hillary lost the EC vote are still complaining about the popular vote. THAT sounds more like whining to me.
I'm not secretly hoping for a mandate, but I strongly believe that widespread voting fraud will be uncovered. The end goal should be honesty, not mandate.
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Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Also, while it's nice to be able and sit back and say "it's all media hysteria," I can sit here and say for a fact that at least 3 families in my neighborhood can neither have family come visit nor leave the country, since they risk not being allowed back in. These are not illegal immigrants, but green card holders. So, yeah, real people are being affected, even if some people don't see it up close.
Unless they are from syria. Its 120 days
but youll probably say syria now to prove a point
Not Syria, but we shall see on the 120 days. It doesn't really address why Green Card holders should be impacted for one day, let alone 120, though. Immigrants and refugees, ok, no issues from me if it's temporary.
I'm Catholic, btw.
"Catholics are being persecuted." See, there we have it. I mean, really.
I'm Catholic, btw.
Cool! I'm Catholic too (was not raised Catholic), and 110% support gays and transgenders. I think they're pretty damn cool.
Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Touch a nerve did we? We're ten days into his presidency, you might want to get a larger backbone because there is going to be a lot of criticism coming over these next four years. God knows all those liberals were able to do it during the Obummer years. And I love your final line. How self-righteous.
And why would I apologize for commenting on the speculated legislation (by another member) aka for "being wrong". Oh, the self-righteous part
I'm carefully considering yours and my posts because this is getting dangerously close to inappropriate for NA. And I have obligations to other people here that cannot be recklessly endangered. Let's keep it to discussing the presidency, not other users and each other.
Does this really sound like a guy that wants to create EOs to randomly discriminate against the LGBTQ community to you?
I'm sure he'll let us know after Bannon lets him know
Oh dear, someone should tell Bannon he should fire Milo Yiannopoulos immediately!! He should have never hired a gay! Or maybe, maybe, he's on page with Trump and changed his mind despite what he's said in the past? Nah. Impossible.
When you're wrong, can you please come back here and apologize? I'll bring it up again in a few weeks, will be glad to see ya here in a world safe and sound when gays are still not under persecution by Trump. If anything, Catholics are being persecuted these days. And people who support Trump. Boy, do people online hate folks like me who cut through the bullshit.
Touch a nerve did we? We're ten days into his presidency, you might want to get a larger backbone because there is going to be a lot of criticism coming over these next four years. God knows all those liberals were able to do it during the Obummer years. And I love your final line. How self-righteous.
And why would I apologize for commenting on the speculated legislation (by another member) aka for "being wrong". Oh, the self-righteous part
I'm carefully considering yours and my posts because this is getting dangerously close to inappropriate for NA. And I have obligations to other people here that cannot be recklessly endangered.
No nerve touched. I just want people to stop spreading lies and hate through wild speculation, and give the Pres a chance. I'm convinceable to another point-of-view when debating. However when I smell bullshit, I call it out. If that makes me 'self-righteous', so be it. But I've switched sides due to good points many times here on NA, so one might say I'm a good listener. My backbone is thicker than most, but thanks for your concern. I don't think we've said anything that could be deemed inappropriate, so IMO we can rest easy.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
I have been carrying a stab scar since 2004 for me being a lesbian, thank you.
Bea, not to go off topic, but you posted that same photo in another thread and claimed the scar was the result of domestic violence at the hands of a former partner. Now you are saying it was due to your sexual preference???
Granted, I am truly sorry this happened to you, and violence against women, or anyone, for any reason, domestic, hate crime, etc, is uncalled for.
I have been carrying a stab scar since 2004 for me being a lesbian, thank you.
Bea, not to go off topic, but you posted that same photo in another thread and claimed the scar was the result of domestic violence at the hands of a former partner. Now you are saying it was due to your sexual preference???
Granted, I am truly sorry this happened to you, and violence against women, or anyone, for any reason, domestic, hate crime, etc, is uncalled for.
I never claimed this was due to domestic violence. It was because I was a lesbian, dating in a night club back in 2004.
I had a former partner that was abusive and put me out of ever wanting relationships since 2010, but that violence was more psychological than physical.
Edit: Post in question is here: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=76&catid=7&threadid=169644
It evolved to domestic violence at some point. You probably assumed this was due to it since that was the way the conversation evolved. It is all okay, though.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Apparently it is written, but Trump has decided not to enact the order at this time. As an aside, Trump is not for gay marriage, I know someone mentioned that earlier.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Apparently it is written, but Trump has decided not to enact the order at this time. As an aside, Trump is not for gay marriage, I know someone mentioned that earlier.
Yeah, but the fact POTUS even considered it scares me.
I never claimed this was due to domestic violence. It was because I was a lesbian, dating in a night club back in 2004.
I had a former partner that was abusive and put me out of ever wanting relationships since 2010, but that violence was more psychological than physical.
Edit: Post in question is here: http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...
It evolved to domestic violence at some point. You probably assumed this was due to it since that was the way the conversation evolved. It is all okay, though.
Okay sorry about the mixup. Good luck on the soul-mate search. She is out there somewhere...
Why did we elect this guy, seriously? We're a bunch of idiots!
Because the other side decided to run a corrupt, low energy candidate.
I love how people are getting all emotional now on things that haven't happened and aren't going to happen.
This is what happens when you let your emotions rule you!
Master Yoda said it best.
So at this point, you all are causing yourself pain and suffering without even looking at the truth.
Nope, just heresay and speculation.. Let's let nontruths get us riled up and pissed.
Originally posted by: ExplodedHamster
I'm banning both of you until you complete TMNT 2:The Arcade Game in Co-Op mode together.
Welp, looks like I have a new punishment for my kids when they aren't getting along nicely. I'll change it to BattleToads when they're being really bad!
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Alternative Fact: More people voted for Trump if you count all the millions of illegal votes cast.
Alternative Facts are fun. You don't have to have any evidence or basis at all you just get to say what you want!
All kidding aside...I think it's perfectly fine to stand up and criticize his actions, but I also agree with Paul that we should be fair and criticize actions he's actually taken - I'm not going to get all up in arms about rumors of his next actions, without strong evidence to support them.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
A bit of good news, those EO rumors were false. Statement released that Trump will be keeping current LGBTQ workplace protections.
I'm expecting more scares like this. All it takes is some funded group to 'leak' random racist/sexist/homophobic sentiment and say it's 'being considered' to throw everyone into panic mode (and get awfully angry), even when there's no proof. It's sad the media would play with people's hearts like this, but I guess that's what they're best at these days.
A bit of good news, those EO rumors were false. Statement released that Trump will be keeping current LGBTQ workplace protections.
I'm expecting more scares like this. All it takes is some funded group to 'leak' random racist/sexist/homophobic sentiment and say it's 'being considered' to throw everyone into panic mode (and get awfully angry), even when there's no proof. It's sad the media would play with people's hearts like this, but I guess that's what they're best at these days.
People (of whatever persuasion) rarely let the truth get in the way of their respective agenda.
EO apparently coming out this week regarding LGBT that is going to:
* Allow federal employees to refuse to serve LGBT people based on the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman or that gender is an immutable characteristic from birth, impacting a broad range of federal benefits.
* Allow taxpayer funds to be used to discriminate against LGBT people in social services.
* Allow adoption agencies that receive federal funding to discriminate against LGBT parents.
* Make sexual orientation and gender identity fireable offenses for federal employees and federal contractors by eliminating non-discrimination protections.
What the hell dude? Surely this isn't real. The supreme court has already ruled in favor of non-discrimination. I'm not sure how this could possibly be constitutional. POTUS is not "above" the law. Last I checked, this was a democracy, not a dictatorship.
Guess what? It's not real. It's actually complete bullshit.
I'm banning both of you until you complete TMNT 2:The Arcade Game in Co-Op mode together.
Welp, looks like I have a new punishment for my kids when they aren't getting along nicely. I'll change it to BattleToads when they're being really bad!
Haha. I'd actually be up for either one. I still haven't passed Clinger Winger though.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
If every single person voted in the United States do you think he would have been elected?
I see so much shit floating around about wanting to get him impeached etc etc etc....It makes America honestly look absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He gets voted in....And now everyone wants him out? What the hell kind of crap is that? It just goes to show how important voting really is......The people who DIDN'T vote are being whiners now because he is elected, well you are part of the problem because you didn't vote against him.
When will the lesson be learned?
Fact: More people voted for his opponent.
Corollary fact #1 - More people voted for his opponents.
Corollary fact #2 - More people voted for her (HRC) opponents.
Most signifigant fact - He flat out won the Electoral College.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973
^There's proof that a surprisingly large amount of illegals/non-citizens voted in the US in the 2008 and 2010 elections.
There is also video evidence of widespread voter fraud that no one seems to care about. The video evidence includes obtaining ballots for the deceased, slipping reams of ballots into voter boxes, taking locked GEMS voting computers off-facility, and allowing people to vote in more than one state.
I strongly believe that the investigation going on right now will uncover at least 4 million illegal votes in Hillary's favor.
I think the greater point, though, is that despite him winning the electoral college by a substantial margin, lacking a clear majority of the population DOES NOT provide "a mandate", like he wants to claim.
Yet he goes on and on about some BS regarding voter fraud that, to date, has no evidence of existing (i.e. claiming 3MM illegal votes, which is patently absurd)
He won in a valid way.
But no matter how much whining he does, he will never have won the popular vote.
He needs to accept that and move on, rather than continue to embarrass himself.
Pretty much everyone claims a mandate (or someone claims it for them) - which is patently absurd since (assuming they do have one) it is likely a mandate on one or two core issues rather than the whole panoply of them that whatever side wants to ram down the other side's throat. My point is that no one won a plurality - which seems to be an important element if you want to purse the rabbit hole of the popular vote being a determinant of any sort in presidential elections.
While the numbers of fraudulent voters (which has been happening since I can remember even in grade school "Landslide Lyndon" Johnson is but one example of this) is unknown- anyone that says none occurred is living in cloud cuckoo land. How much is a matter of conjecture (and likely ulitimately unanswerable (and certain interests would never want it to be investigated in any event) - but various of the states have made it so easy to fraudently vote it is pathetic. In Colorado all you have to do is show up with a utility bill. On the specific issue of illegals voting it is no stretch to believe that some percentage of them voted - after all the vast majority of them routinely break laws starting with local zoning on up to multiple Federal felonies - with such blatant disregard for our laws why would they hesitate to vote in order to sway the political system to their advantage?
And look at the desperate efforts to undermine the electoral college - arguing (falsely) that HRC won the majority of the popular vote, the electoral college being invalid since it was based on pro-slavery concerns (it wasn't), Jill Stein trying to get recounts (who funded that one asks?) while stating she wasn't doing it for HRC - but somehow only states that HRC lost were considered - even though some states that HRC won were even closer than the ones she wanted recounts in. When all that failed there was an attempt to subborn the members of the electoral college - which amusingly enough resulted in HRC losing more votes than Trump. No surprise then that there is some pushback - something traditional Republicans are usually too wimpy to do.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scie...
There's proof that a surprisingly large amount of Illegals voted in the US in the 2008 and 2010 elections.
There is also video evidence of widespread voter fraud that no one seems to care about.
I strongly believe that the investigation going on right now will uncover at least 4 million illegal votes in Hillary's favor.
Have you actually read that paper?
There is some pretty broad uncertainty in terms of their actual number of non-citizens that managed to vote.
(for 2008, their estimate ranges from 38,000 to 2.8MM)
You'll have to show your math to make a remotely plausible claim about 4 million illegal votes.
Not even Trump was claiming a number that high.
EVEN THEN if it comes to pass that that Trump had more votes that Clinton, HE STILL DIDN'T HAVE THE MAJORITY.
Let's assume that no illegal votes went for Trump (which is somewhat unlikely, if you're asserting that 4MM illegal votes were cast).
So he retains 62,985,105 votes.
The total vote count drops from 135,717,084 down to 131,717,084 (unlikely, since 4MM is crazy talk).
Trump only moves from 46% to less than 48% of the popular vote.
He would have "won" the popular vote by having more than any other individual candidate, BUT HE WOULD NOT HAVE A "MANDATE" which is the critical distinction.
The "majority of people" would still not have voted for him, which is what he and his people keep whining about.
But I think it is FAR MORE LIKELY that the investigation is going to find that he still lost the popular vote, just like everybody has been pointing out since the election.
It doesn't invalidate his victory, because we have an electoral college system.
But it does make the critical distinction that likely the majority of people in this country disagree with him on enough issues to have not voted for him in the first place. So disapproval and complaints are to be expected.
And look at the desperate efforts to undermine the electoral college - arguing (falsely) that HRC won the majority of the popular vote, the electoral college being invalid since it was based on pro-slavery concerns (it wasn't),
I think any argument trying to undermine the election via stating the electoral college is invalid is absurd.
It is the system we have. And the stability of our rule of law is import enough that our system should be honored, unless it is changed through the proper channels.
The results of the election could, completely reasonably, encourage a revisitation of our system.
(i.e. how most of the states have a "first past the post" system on electoral votes, which I'm sure I'm not alone in finding to be an inappropriate representation of the will of the people)
Obviously, you can't go to a straight popular vote, because flyover states would be even less relevant than they are today.
But you could completely dispel this "red state vs blue state" shit storm that has existed for decades, where a couple of states are the only ones that "really matter".
If you had things proportional by state, rather than first-past-the-post, you suddenly have a system where 3rd parties are viable, and the two major parties have a lot less certainty about where they will win and lose.
That study proves that a number significantly greater than 0% of illegals voted.
It also shows that illegal votes are approximately 66.7% in favor of the Democrats.
I wouldn't call that 'no evidence'. Especially when a large amount of further video evidence exists from the 2016 election, going beyond votes from illegals. This investigation won't come up empty handed. I'm certain of that.
I want the voting system in the US to be fair. That's all. I don't want any 'I live in another state, so can I vote?' Sure! 'Well, I don't actually live here.' Just tell them you're staying with your cousin indefinitely and you won't have any problems. 'I don't have my ID on me, is that still okay?' Sure!
^I don't think these dishonest kind of situations are right, and you shouldn't either.
What I would call whining is the people who hate that Hillary lost the EC vote are still complaining about the popular vote. THAT sounds more like whining to me.
I'm not secretly hoping for a mandate, but I strongly believe that widespread voting fraud will be uncovered. The end goal should be honesty, not mandate.