2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
Engaging in a bit of self-aggrandizement, aren't we?
And, I've been thinking this the entire thread... but since you're Canadian, I think you vastly underappreciate the hassle that uninsured or badly insured people deal with in our healthcare system.
I have REALLY good insurance, and it's still a pain-in-the-ass sometimes dealing with it.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
I have been trying to stay away from stuff like this but lets be blunt and real here, who cares. I mean really does this keep you up at night worrying about some youtuber cohost? This topic is the kind of thing that give's the site a bad reputation along with some users who decide to be vicious and throw insults.
I have been trying to stay away from stuff like this but lets be blunt and real here, who cares. I mean really does this keep you up at night worrying about some youtuber cohost? This topic is the kind of thing that give's the site a bad reputation along with some users who decide to be vicious and throw insults.
Some people have a tendency to get involved in the lives of others far more than they should.
In fact, a vast majority of YouTube operates on that very idea.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
Fun fact if you don't make enough money and the cost of available coverage is too high you're exempt from having to pay the penalty.
edit: also the "elephant" wasn't even in the house, much less the room.
I'm going to clarify two MAJOR things about my comments:
1) I genuinely hope anyone with medical problems can get the medical attention they need. Whatever healthcare system they're in, I hope they can get help.
2) I think it makes a HUGE difference in WHO sets up the Go Fund Me. If someone sets it up for a friend or family member then that's a completely different story.
Then, whether the bills or expenses are medical, personal, for an injury, a pet's vet visit, much needed car repair, or just hard times, everybody can chip in and help out. It's different if someone else is genuinely trying to help out.
Hell, I'd be willing to help and I think it would be good if lots of people did.
Example.
"Hey everyone, Member X has fallen on hard times (due to illness, and pets vet bills) let's get them some help so they can chill out and save their pet and NES collection!"
I would be 100% on board and donate some of my own personal money. Whether it is $15, $30, $50, or $5.... I'd donate what I could.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: AirVillain
1) I didn't say anything about someon with cancer...
2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
1) was just an extreme example, but those people are on Gofundme.
2) Is the money they're contributing actually making its way to the ACTUAL poor people, Sir Robin of Locksley?
Just because it's #firstworldproblems doesn't mean that people can't give to solve those problems if they want.
I hope it gets to the poor people... but you're right. And is my point about a lot of charities. It's tough to tell where the money goes.
You're right about the #firstworldproblems thing, no doubt. Please see my above comments for clarification, too.
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: AirVillain
2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
Engaging in a bit of self-aggrandizement, aren't we?
And, I've been thinking this the entire thread... but since you're Canadian, I think you vastly underappreciate the hassle that uninsured or badly insured people deal with in our healthcare system.
I have REALLY good insurance, and it's still a pain-in-the-ass sometimes dealing with it.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Haha, just an extreme (and over-exaggerated Robin Hood) example.
I get your point.
I understand what you're saying, but depending on the coverage you have here you still pay. I wish everyone in the system (yours and mine) could get coverage.
Please see the start of this post.
Originally posted by: Daria
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
Fun fact if you don't make enough money and the cost of available coverage is too high you're exempt from having to pay the penalty.
edit: also the "elephant" wasn't even in the house, much less the room.
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
Ok so with the ACA most employers have to offer insurance options to their full time employees and you can't be denied coverage for existing conditions. But if you can't get insurance through work there's also plans available through the government. If you don't have insurance at all, when you file your taxes you can be charged a $500 yearly penalty.
also I was saying that I didn't think Ian was the topic of this thread. Didn't seem to be any point to dragging him into the discussion and potentially veering the thread into another pointless CUP hate fest.
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
Ok so with the ACA most employers have to offer insurance options to their full time employees and you can't be denied coverage for existing conditions. But if you can't get insurance through work there's also plans available through the government. If you don't have insurance at all, when you file your taxes you can be charged a $500 yearly penalty.
also I was saying that I didn't think Ian was the topic of this thread. Didn't seem to be any point to dragging him into the discussion and potentially veering the thread into another pointless CUP hate fest.
First of all, that *snip* made me laugh.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
Yes, okay, I thought maybe that (which he wasn't). Agreed, I was trying to avoid that as well.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, I see, I see.
I can certainly understand both sides. Tough call. But I guess the thing is, if insurance is mandatory, it's mandatory. You have to cover your costs somehow. I guess that's the $500. Also, racking up the $500 fee doesn't seem like a great idea either. What's insurance run/year? I mean, ballpark?
But hey... whether that's right or not depends on our point of view/how much money you make. Doesn't seem like the best system for the people. Especially in the richest nation on the planet. (not sure if that's an outdated statistic or not).
First google search says USA is #9 per capita, I was way off. But it does say USA is the worlds largest economy on the whole.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, I see, I see.
I can certainly understand both sides. Tough call. But I guess the thing is, if insurance is mandatory, it's mandatory. You have to cover your costs somehow. I guess that's the $500. Also, racking up the $500 fee doesn't seem like a great idea either. What's insurance run/year? I mean, ballpark?
But hey... whether that's right or not depends on our point of view/how much money you make. Doesn't seem like the best system for the people. Especially in the richest nation on the planet. (not sure if that's an outdated statistic or not).
First google search says USA is #9 per capita, I was way off. But it does say USA is the worlds largest economy on the whole.
Like I don't have insurance. Even with ACA I can't afford the $300 a month premium it would cost to either add me to my husband's plan or sign up through the government. But I don't pay a penalty either because what I make (nothing) versus my available options is too big a difference. The idea of the penalty is to encourage working healthy people to off set the cost of the expensive sick people.
Like I don't have insurance. Even with ACA I can't afford the $300 a month premium it would cost to either add me to my husband's plan or sign up through the government. But I don't pay a penalty either because what I make (nothing) versus my available options is too big a difference. The idea of the penalty is to encourage working healthy people to off set the cost of the expensive sick people.
Hmmm, okay. Well thanks for helping clarify, that certainly helps my understanding.
Makes sense. At least there's functions in place for those who qualify so they don't get nailed with the penalty.
If a post is made in a public forum, it's allowed to be criticized. That doesn't mean it should be criticized, or there is anything gained based on doing so.
If something is criticized (or critiqued, poor word choice on my part), that person is more than welcome to be viewed as an arse.
Neither party gets a free pass from being judged.
Depends on how you're using the term "allowed"...
"Allowed" as in legal? Sure
"Allowed" as in socially acceptable?
Depends on what part of the country you're in, it seems, as to how much of a jerk you appear to be to somebody reading your criticism.
But I think the point remains, that publicly posting criticism or judgment of somebody's pleas or complaints serves very little purpose, if any.
(and as such certainly seems pointless to where erring on the side of being more polite would be better for everybody)
I'm just curious, this is a legitimate question.
In your part of the country, does social acceptability dictate whether or not it's okay to comment on someone's life at all, or does it just regulate what it's okay to comment about and what not?
I feel like, out here, unsolicited opinions are often acceptable provided they fall within certain categories and not others. I don't just mean online either, it's perfectly normal to start a conversation with "Holy sh*t your a big dude!" (God forbid you tell them you're not a football player).
When people do stupid shit, I think it's our duty to let them know how ignorant and stupid their actions are.
Especially when they act entitled and call themselves "poor" when they have a roof over their head and have clean drinking water. North Americans are spoiled. #firstworldproblems
It's okay to give your opinion when someone asks for it. Otherwise, mind your own damn business.
And so when the KKK are having demonstrations, unless they ask for your opinion, you should say nothing?
Okie dokie.
The point of the thread was "when you put your shit on the internet, that's inviting critical analysis." Otherwise, don't put it on the damn internet.
Besides, making an argument, or asking for money, or telling people your story IS asking for an opinion. Often times it's asking for your positive opinion by donating money.
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
What’s the concert and how many tickets cost $500?
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
What's the concert and how many tickets cost $500?
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
I'm guessing (hoping?) they won't get a penny.
Well said and yes that's straight ridiculous. Gee, I want a shiny new video card for my computer, I should setup a Go Fund Me account!!!!!!!
Even though this was necrobumped there is some good content in here. I 100% agree, you post on the internet in any capacity, be prepared for people to not agree with you. I don't get why people are so self-consumed that they feel the need to post personal stuff online...and then get their panties in a bunch when people don't agree with them and/or point out the reality of them being the problem sometimes etc etc.
Even more so, I liked the comments about social media on here. In the early stages of Facebook I was exposed to far more negativity then I expected, not even considering all the other elements of non-privacy, and I join the group of those that don't really like social media. I like the concept, but not the reality of it. I can't stand how much people bitch and moan about their lives, or ask for handouts...it's just overwhelming. I do much better worrying about my own life and the ones around me - it's crazy enough as it is. The sad thing is that a lot of people straight up depend on social media. I miss out on invites to events and things because they are coordinated 100% through facebook lol.
The unfollow feature on Facebook is the only reason I'm still on it, otherwise I would have ditched it a while ago. If you piss and moan all the time, or your only posts are all political crap (any side, fuck all of it), unfollow.
I like it because I can see how my out of town cousins and their families are doing, along with some old friends.
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
I'm guessing (hoping?) they won't get a penny.
Well said and yes that's straight ridiculous. Gee, I want a shiny new video card for my computer, I should setup a Go Fund Me account!!!!!!!
Even though this was necrobumped there is some good content in here. I 100% agree, you post on the internet in any capacity, be prepared for people to not agree with you. I don't get why people are so self-consumed that they feel the need to post personal stuff online...and then get their panties in a bunch when people don't agree with them and/or point out the reality of them being the problem sometimes etc etc.
Even more so, I liked the comments about social media on here. In the early stages of Facebook I was exposed to far more negativity then I expected, not even considering all the other elements of non-privacy, and I join the group of those that don't really like social media. I like the concept, but not the reality of it. I can't stand how much people bitch and moan about their lives, or ask for handouts...it's just overwhelming. I do much better worrying about my own life and the ones around me - it's crazy enough as it is. The sad thing is that a lot of people straight up depend on social media. I miss out on invites to events and things because they are coordinated 100% through facebook lol.
The unfollow feature on Facebook is the only reason I'm still on it, otherwise I would have ditched it a while ago. If you piss and moan all the time, or your only posts are all political crap (any side, fuck all of it), unfollow.
I like it because I can see how my out of town cousins and their families are doing, along with some old friends.
Same. I've unfollowed so many people over the past few years, most of them during the election year (from both sides). I use Facebook almost entirely for sharing pictures between family, and gaming related groups. That's about it.
I just don't bother with social media just for that reason, I don’t want to give my opinion on things and have close friends or family memebers not talk to me over it or vice versa. This forum is the most social interaction I have outside the people I text message.
I haven’t had a SM account for over 5 years.
Reading some of the stuff I read on here from people I could care less is enough
I'm in this boat. Only thing even remotely related to social media i do is right here on NA and i dont really even consider it social media
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2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
Engaging in a bit of self-aggrandizement, aren't we?
And, I've been thinking this the entire thread... but since you're Canadian, I think you vastly underappreciate the hassle that uninsured or badly insured people deal with in our healthcare system.
I have REALLY good insurance, and it's still a pain-in-the-ass sometimes dealing with it.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
I have been trying to stay away from stuff like this but lets be blunt and real here, who cares. I mean really does this keep you up at night worrying about some youtuber cohost? This topic is the kind of thing that give's the site a bad reputation along with some users who decide to be vicious and throw insults.
Some people have a tendency to get involved in the lives of others far more than they should.
In fact, a vast majority of YouTube operates on that very idea.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
Fun fact if you don't make enough money and the cost of available coverage is too high you're exempt from having to pay the penalty.
edit: also the "elephant" wasn't even in the house, much less the room.
1) I genuinely hope anyone with medical problems can get the medical attention they need. Whatever healthcare system they're in, I hope they can get help.
2) I think it makes a HUGE difference in WHO sets up the Go Fund Me. If someone sets it up for a friend or family member then that's a completely different story.
Then, whether the bills or expenses are medical, personal, for an injury, a pet's vet visit, much needed car repair, or just hard times, everybody can chip in and help out. It's different if someone else is genuinely trying to help out.
Hell, I'd be willing to help and I think it would be good if lots of people did.
Example.
"Hey everyone, Member X has fallen on hard times (due to illness, and pets vet bills) let's get them some help so they can chill out and save their pet and NES collection!"
I would be 100% on board and donate some of my own personal money. Whether it is $15, $30, $50, or $5.... I'd donate what I could.
1) I didn't say anything about someon with cancer...
2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
1) was just an extreme example, but those people are on Gofundme.
2) Is the money they're contributing actually making its way to the ACTUAL poor people, Sir Robin of Locksley?
Just because it's #firstworldproblems doesn't mean that people can't give to solve those problems if they want.
I hope it gets to the poor people... but you're right. And is my point about a lot of charities. It's tough to tell where the money goes.
You're right about the #firstworldproblems thing, no doubt. Please see my above comments for clarification, too.
2) Inconsiderate asshole, or Robin Hood for the ACTUAL poor people in the world?
Just pointing out the #firstworldproblems
Engaging in a bit of self-aggrandizement, aren't we?
And, I've been thinking this the entire thread... but since you're Canadian, I think you vastly underappreciate the hassle that uninsured or badly insured people deal with in our healthcare system.
I have REALLY good insurance, and it's still a pain-in-the-ass sometimes dealing with it.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Haha, just an extreme (and over-exaggerated Robin Hood) example.
I get your point.
I understand what you're saying, but depending on the coverage you have here you still pay. I wish everyone in the system (yours and mine) could get coverage.
Please see the start of this post.
But I can easily see how somebody without insurance could end up feeling pretty desperate, in short order, and resort to making GoFundMe pleas.
Let's address the elephant in the room.
Ian Ferguson
Pat the NES Punk's buddy and cohost on his podcast. He recently got some type of weird ailment, some gastrointestinal disorder that has been causing him pain. He works as the general manager (not the owner) of two video game stores in San Diego. He also gets some money from the podcast. He's stated before in Youtube comments that he doesn't have a lot of money himself. He didn't have insurance. I'm assuming he decided to pay the penalty on his taxes for the ACA.
He went to his doctor, who couldn't diagnose him. He went to several specialists. Still couldn't get a diagnosis. And every step he racked up the bills. He had to reduce his schedule (and his pay) at work.
He posted a GoFundMe, stating he didn't want to do it, but his bills are too much and he wants to be pain free. His latest update, after getting about $25,000, is that he's putting $10,000 towards getting insurance and the rest to pay off some of the bills, and he still doesn't have a diganosis. He wants to get back to full time work.
So that's his situation. You can say he was dumb for not having insurance, but that would also be a significant cost. And some could make the argument that they were entertained by his podcast and decided to toss him a few bucks.
Fun fact if you don't make enough money and the cost of available coverage is too high you're exempt from having to pay the penalty.
edit: also the "elephant" wasn't even in the house, much less the room.
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
*snip*
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
Ok so with the ACA most employers have to offer insurance options to their full time employees and you can't be denied coverage for existing conditions. But if you can't get insurance through work there's also plans available through the government. If you don't have insurance at all, when you file your taxes you can be charged a $500 yearly penalty.
also I was saying that I didn't think Ian was the topic of this thread. Didn't seem to be any point to dragging him into the discussion and potentially veering the thread into another pointless CUP hate fest.
*snip*
Just for reference sake... I've been open about my feelings and let people know them.
Tulpa/Daria, what's up with the penalty/taxes on the ACA? Like, if you don't make a payment on your insurance premiums there's a tax/penalty?? Yeesh... that's harsh. I'm just trying to understand here.
Then if you don't make enough money, and your insurance premiums are too high (I'm assuming it's a of percentage of your income) then you don't have to pay the penalty? That does make sense.
Also, Daria, I'm not sure if you actually mean the elephant isn't in the house (Actually not talking about Ian), or if you mean the elephant is sitting right on us (talking about Ian).
Just to clarify... That was one of the GFM's that have been floating around as an example, but there were many more different ones that got me thinking about it.
Ok so with the ACA most employers have to offer insurance options to their full time employees and you can't be denied coverage for existing conditions. But if you can't get insurance through work there's also plans available through the government. If you don't have insurance at all, when you file your taxes you can be charged a $500 yearly penalty.
also I was saying that I didn't think Ian was the topic of this thread. Didn't seem to be any point to dragging him into the discussion and potentially veering the thread into another pointless CUP hate fest.
First of all, that *snip* made me laugh.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
Yes, okay, I thought maybe that (which he wasn't). Agreed, I was trying to avoid that as well.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, I see, I see.
I can certainly understand both sides. Tough call. But I guess the thing is, if insurance is mandatory, it's mandatory. You have to cover your costs somehow. I guess that's the $500. Also, racking up the $500 fee doesn't seem like a great idea either. What's insurance run/year? I mean, ballpark?
But hey... whether that's right or not depends on our point of view/how much money you make. Doesn't seem like the best system for the people. Especially in the richest nation on the planet. (not sure if that's an outdated statistic or not).
First google search says USA is #9 per capita, I was way off. But it does say USA is the worlds largest economy on the whole.
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-richest-countries-in-the-world.html
Interesting read none the less.
Okay, wait... you get charged a $500/year penalty when you file your taxes if you DON'T have insurance?? So, on top of not having insurance, you get nailed with an extra $500 charge? That's awful. I guess they do it to punish people for not getting insurance?
Or the $500/year is to give you some sort of coverage?
It's considered a tax (we actually had a Supreme Court decision that stated it.) No coverage.
The reasoning is that no one can be turned away from medical treatment from an emergency room, but those costs get passed to the people who have insurance. If everyone had insurance, then those costs would be more fairly spread out. The tax is to help offset some of the costs, though whether the money goes directly back to that is anyone's guess. That's the idea behind the insurance mandate of the ACA (there are other reforms.) Whether it works or not has been an ongoing debate with a lot of knee jerk reactions from both sides.
Okay, I see, I see.
I can certainly understand both sides. Tough call. But I guess the thing is, if insurance is mandatory, it's mandatory. You have to cover your costs somehow. I guess that's the $500. Also, racking up the $500 fee doesn't seem like a great idea either. What's insurance run/year? I mean, ballpark?
But hey... whether that's right or not depends on our point of view/how much money you make. Doesn't seem like the best system for the people. Especially in the richest nation on the planet. (not sure if that's an outdated statistic or not).
First google search says USA is #9 per capita, I was way off. But it does say USA is the worlds largest economy on the whole.
http://www.worldatlas.com/article...
Interesting read none the less.
Like I don't have insurance. Even with ACA I can't afford the $300 a month premium it would cost to either add me to my husband's plan or sign up through the government. But I don't pay a penalty either because what I make (nothing) versus my available options is too big a difference. The idea of the penalty is to encourage working healthy people to off set the cost of the expensive sick people.
*snip*
Like I don't have insurance. Even with ACA I can't afford the $300 a month premium it would cost to either add me to my husband's plan or sign up through the government. But I don't pay a penalty either because what I make (nothing) versus my available options is too big a difference. The idea of the penalty is to encourage working healthy people to off set the cost of the expensive sick people.
Hmmm, okay. Well thanks for helping clarify, that certainly helps my understanding.
Makes sense. At least there's functions in place for those who qualify so they don't get nailed with the penalty.
If a post is made in a public forum, it's allowed to be criticized. That doesn't mean it should be criticized, or there is anything gained based on doing so.
If something is criticized (or critiqued, poor word choice on my part), that person is more than welcome to be viewed as an arse.
Neither party gets a free pass from being judged.
Depends on how you're using the term "allowed"...
"Allowed" as in legal? Sure
"Allowed" as in socially acceptable?
Depends on what part of the country you're in, it seems, as to how much of a jerk you appear to be to somebody reading your criticism.
But I think the point remains, that publicly posting criticism or judgment of somebody's pleas or complaints serves very little purpose, if any.
(and as such certainly seems pointless to where erring on the side of being more polite would be better for everybody)
I'm just curious, this is a legitimate question.
In your part of the country, does social acceptability dictate whether or not it's okay to comment on someone's life at all, or does it just regulate what it's okay to comment about and what not?
I feel like, out here, unsolicited opinions are often acceptable provided they fall within certain categories and not others. I don't just mean online either, it's perfectly normal to start a conversation with "Holy sh*t your a big dude!" (God forbid you tell them you're not a football player).
Especially when they act entitled and call themselves "poor" when they have a roof over their head and have clean drinking water. North Americans are spoiled. #firstworldproblems
That is all.
It's okay to give your opinion when someone asks for it. Otherwise, mind your own damn business.
And so when the KKK are having demonstrations, unless they ask for your opinion, you should say nothing?
Okie dokie.
The point of the thread was "when you put your shit on the internet, that's inviting critical analysis." Otherwise, don't put it on the damn internet.
Besides, making an argument, or asking for money, or telling people your story IS asking for an opinion. Often times it's asking for your positive opinion by donating money.
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
In terms of the Go Fund Me....
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
What’s the concert and how many tickets cost $500?
In terms of the Go Fund Me....
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
What's the concert and how many tickets cost $500?
perhaps good seats?
What's the concert and how many tickets cost $500?
perhaps good seats?
It was some high profile concert and a couple floor seats came to like $400, then there was an extra $100 for swag.
In terms of the Go Fund Me....
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
I'm guessing (hoping?) they won't get a penny.
Your sister should be ashamed
Well I'm NOT sharing my Go Fund Me page for a Stadium Events with you!
In terms of the Go Fund Me....
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
I'm guessing (hoping?) they won't get a penny.
Well said and yes that's straight ridiculous. Gee, I want a shiny new video card for my computer, I should setup a Go Fund Me account!!!!!!!
Even though this was necrobumped there is some good content in here. I 100% agree, you post on the internet in any capacity, be prepared for people to not agree with you. I don't get why people are so self-consumed that they feel the need to post personal stuff online...and then get their panties in a bunch when people don't agree with them and/or point out the reality of them being the problem sometimes etc etc.
Even more so, I liked the comments about social media on here. In the early stages of Facebook I was exposed to far more negativity then I expected, not even considering all the other elements of non-privacy, and I join the group of those that don't really like social media. I like the concept, but not the reality of it. I can't stand how much people bitch and moan about their lives, or ask for handouts...it's just overwhelming. I do much better worrying about my own life and the ones around me - it's crazy enough as it is. The sad thing is that a lot of people straight up depend on social media. I miss out on invites to events and things because they are coordinated 100% through facebook lol.
I like it because I can see how my out of town cousins and their families are doing, along with some old friends.
In terms of the Go Fund Me....
My sister/her family just recently posted a go fund me.
For concert tickets. Fuck.
Only about $500....
If you can't afford to put $500 on your credit card, then you shouldn't be doing whatever the $500 requires. ESPECIALLY if it's frivolous and for nothing more than entertainment. This is exactly why you SHOULD be putting it on a credit card. So your ass has to be responsible for it.
I did NOT say this to her.
(I felt bad typing it, I just wish we just looked inward for how to not spend $500 in other ways. I guess I'm an asshole too, maybe)
Unless it was the last concert somebody that has a terminal illness could attend, no fucking way should you need a Gofundme for stupid shit like that.
I'm guessing (hoping?) they won't get a penny.
Well said and yes that's straight ridiculous. Gee, I want a shiny new video card for my computer, I should setup a Go Fund Me account!!!!!!!
Even though this was necrobumped there is some good content in here. I 100% agree, you post on the internet in any capacity, be prepared for people to not agree with you. I don't get why people are so self-consumed that they feel the need to post personal stuff online...and then get their panties in a bunch when people don't agree with them and/or point out the reality of them being the problem sometimes etc etc.
Even more so, I liked the comments about social media on here. In the early stages of Facebook I was exposed to far more negativity then I expected, not even considering all the other elements of non-privacy, and I join the group of those that don't really like social media. I like the concept, but not the reality of it. I can't stand how much people bitch and moan about their lives, or ask for handouts...it's just overwhelming. I do much better worrying about my own life and the ones around me - it's crazy enough as it is. The sad thing is that a lot of people straight up depend on social media. I miss out on invites to events and things because they are coordinated 100% through facebook lol.
Nope, funded.
Good conversation and points.
The unfollow feature on Facebook is the only reason I'm still on it, otherwise I would have ditched it a while ago. If you piss and moan all the time, or your only posts are all political crap (any side, fuck all of it), unfollow.
I like it because I can see how my out of town cousins and their families are doing, along with some old friends.
Same. I've unfollowed so many people over the past few years, most of them during the election year (from both sides). I use Facebook almost entirely for sharing pictures between family, and gaming related groups. That's about it.
I just don't bother with social media just for that reason, I don’t want to give my opinion on things and have close friends or family memebers not talk to me over it or vice versa. This forum is the most social interaction I have outside the people I text message.
I haven’t had a SM account for over 5 years.
Reading some of the stuff I read on here from people I could care less is enough
I'm in this boat. Only thing even remotely related to social media i do is right here on NA and i dont really even consider it social media