Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
so are you thinking he needs to choose someone first like mutagen man before he can take them out, so effectively today is only clear shot to take him out or,
Also someone with better pokemon knowledge than me since I haven't played the game in awhile tell me if I'm correct
Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
How many votes do we need to banish him if we so choose? Is it one or two?
I think he's one away but not sure.
I think you're right.
The big question is can we afford to have a loose cannon running around we don't have all of the facts for?
If we can't who wants to do the honors? If we can do we have enough momentum for someone else and if so who? Or do we end the day with no lynch and potentially no new info?
Right now there is less risk in killing bert. He is not town like he claimed and is either another threat or a wildcard liablity or a lying wolf. We don't know what his goal is, even if he says it may just be another lie. We can't trust him.
If people are afraid to drop the hammer, I don't mind. Send my purple heart to my beloved.
Welp we could drop the hammer now. Ready for a possible Purple Heart? Given the possibly exploding thing I'm gonna back off... for reasons.
Give em hell fox/Conner! (Really missing DnD as well. Hoping things work out and we can get back to adventuring).
Right now there is less risk in killing bert. He is not town like he claimed and is either another threat or a wildcard liablity or a lying wolf. We don't know what his goal is, even if he says it may just be another lie. We can't trust him.
If people are afraid to drop the hammer, I don't mind. Send my purple heart to my beloved.
Welp we could drop the hammer now. Ready for a possible Purple Heart? Given the possibly exploding thing I'm gonna back off... for reasons.
Give em hell fox/Conner! (Really missing DnD as well. Hoping things work out and we can get back to adventuring).
Ok
UNVOTE: bert
Alakhira going to need you to vote bert Alakhira then I can revote to drop the hammer
Okay, re-read the rules. We'll effectively need two more votes for bert (it will be 14 active votes and we need a majority). I'll re-vote and accept some of the risk for town
I actually think Fluffy is a wolf, but will vote for Bert as I've had time to catch up. Indy is no good for town as we've seen time and time again in these games.
Yeah this voting thing has me a touch confused. If we need two more votes I can unvote pimp and jump on Bert
I'll do what then thinks is best. I was on pimp because he seemed to aim for a role reveal, but Bert has me concerned. I'm hoping Brock is right and Bert hasn't yet armed himself.
There seemed to be a lack of trust towards Bert. His explosive responses made some even more uneasy. MasterBigCat, NESking80, rdools, ne$_pimp, Bronty, Brock Landers and doner24 decided to get rid of him. As they approached him, a gigantic
KABOOM
did not happen like some were expecting. Instead, Bert tried to use Sand Attack, but it was no use. He was overpowered by the other Pokemon. The Pokemon Trainer noticed the commotion and threw out a Poke Ball. The other Pokemon scattered leaving Bert to be captured.
You are an Eevee townie. Aren't you cute?
Role: Vanilla Townie
Win Condition: Town Win
The Pokemon Trainer thought to himself, "Eh, I already have a much cuter one. I'll just trade this one away."
Players with night roles should contact me before Night 1 ends. Night 1 will end on 3/15 at 11:00 PM NA time.
Before I start the update, I'd like to announce a rule change. Some of you may have noticed I have been lenient with double posters on day 1. While I like the rule against double posting, I've decided that I'll allow it since there are legitimate reasons for doing so. Now, on to the update.
Night 1 Update:
Another scuffle was taking place in the tall grass.
"A Ditto! I always wanted one of those!"
The Pokemon Trainer threw another Poke Ball, capturing Generic.
You are a Ditto townie. You can copy the night roles of others!
Role: Mimic. If a night role is used on you, you will be able to use the same night role the following night. You can only use this ability once. Some night roles can not be copied.
Win Condition: Town Win
Another wild Pokemon captured. Who will be next? And why is Alakhira humming?
well I'll own up to being on the Bert bandwagon. Though the vote record does not show my support I was part of the mob that did him in.
I also can't stop humming this tune. No idea why it's stuck in my head and no idea how to stop it. Immediate fear is that this is some sort of countdown timer to my demise or other dire situation (temporary or permanent). Blergh!
So from what I gathered from Day 1, Brock is most likely a wolf. I think the town needs to explore this option. Brock as we know is very experienced with Werewolf, just read through his posts. I felt as though he forced his strategy upon everyone. And because I was resistent to it and claimed town...
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
I still like my idea from last game of getting 2 players to 5 votes and daring the wolves to make a choice
**VOTE: ne$_pimp
Quoted of ne$_pimp
Your vote against me Brock is very surprising. Any reason behind your thoughts? Ive already stated that I was town folk earlier. What would make you think that Im not?
Originally posted by: ne$_pimp
So for those who suspect me or are voting me can you please explain your reasoning?
I lit a fire under Dragoon, Bert and Brock's ass, so they squirmed and ended up voting me. If we don't start questioning players the town wont get anywhere.
Dragoon has been silent. Bert has tried to defend himself, and after hearing what GoldenEye said a jester roll could make a lot of sense with his vote against me (the take me with you mentality), could also be behemos in a roll like this since he wanted to sacrifice himself.
Brock is very suspicious to me. After I claimed town and folks started to vote Bert, he voted for me. Then devised a plan that he wanted a day one lynch. Which would mean he wants to vote off a townie, why would another townie want to do that?
Originally posted by: ne$_pimp
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
Originally posted by: ne$_pimp
Brock - wants to vote me off because Im claim town. Unless he cares to explain?
I've already been completely transparant.
How are you being transparant?
Ive been transparant, just like last game everyone knows my role.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
Originally posted by: Gloves
Brock, wouldn't your plan leave the wolves in a GOOD spot? The way you explained it earlier, you said that having a lynch Day 1 is good for the town, because it gets some info on the table. Basically everything I've read so far has said "let's lynch someone Day 1, it's better" from both you and fox most notably (you've both been very helpful with giving info), but your plan puts us in a position where the wolves would then probably just leave it alone, and not lynch anyone, no? If you have two people sat tied at 5, wouldn't the wolves WANT to do nothing, so as to not bring attention to themselves? While a clever plan if you consider it a "free kill" for the wolves, I feel like if they have such significantly smaller numbers, making it so obvious who is a wolf would be an even bigger failure on their part.
Am I misunderstanding, or is your plan not at odds with the tips you've provided earlier?
Depends on their self control. Especially if one of the two that's up is a wolf. I posterized this last game, with the exact same stipulations. One wolf tried to sow confusion on the votes. Then the indy panicked and jumped in to preserver his interests and inadvertadly tied up again. So then another wolf jumped in to salvage the kill. Honestly that sequence could of handed town the game but we were too dysfunctional to do anything with it (instead we lynched our own priest after he indirectly told us he was our priest)
It's a plan with complicated results. But its a complicated game.
And even if no kill happens it gives us plenty of votes (or lack thereof) to retroactively look at after future kills.
I was the Priest last game. I'm not now. So I'm not sure what your strategy is going to accomplish. At this point the votes against me will only take out a townie, then the wolves will take another tonight. Thats 2 for the wolves, 0 for the town. I'm all for a shot in the dark since the game just started. Why go after town?
So as stated before folks are playing the game the way they always do including myself. I revealed my role just like last time.
So if your town Brock why would we want an early illimination? And why go after me, when I revealed my roll, just like last time? Your stategy does not make much sense for the town. Further more you avoided my question about transparencey?
I think there is a good chance Brock is a wolf, trying to convince the town to kill there own.
Folks I think are town at this point:
wasg
Generic
Gloves
They seem to be using logic and analiyzing what others are saying and questioning other players (less agressively then I am).
So how well did Brock plan work out for the town
Originally posted by: Bert
Oh I have a question as well, once someone is lynched, is their role revealed? So we'd know if we made a poor or wise choice lynching that player?
Quote of Brocks
Generally, yes. Last time Red ran WW it was a pretty traditional setup. The games after that started adding in crazy wolf powers that let you hide/disintegrate the bodies. When I was a wolf in the Marvel and Ninja Turtle games we had that power both times, and we used it on Day 1 specifically so we could try to nab an important role such as priest or tracker so that we could claim it later in the game. It's the perfect alibi.
And then there is these subliminal messages, which have me doubting wasg. I want the town to understand that just because we dont all have the same experience playing forum games doesnt mean we have to follow along.
Originally posted by: wasg13
what brock
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
That post was meant for wasg. This is why you do not have a double post rule.
Originally posted by: wasg13
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
Originally posted by: wasg13
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
I mean, like bronty said we should probably kill him. Indy's are too risky.
And bizarre behavior or not, the odds are still pretty good Pimp is town. A bert lynch has less risk
The exception is if Bert gives us a believable victory condition that that can be leveraged against the wolves.
Hey my brother in arms, i have a theory on bert and which pokemon he is, i'm hoping this cryptic message makes you think along the same path as me and that your plan might actually be sound if it goes the way you are hoping it does. read this and think about what i have said and let me know if you one get owhat i'm saying or not
@pimp - How did I force anything? I presented two plans for town to pursue if people found them logical. Both pretty much went out the window after bert (fake) admitted to being Indy. And if I was a werewolf why would I have put myself in harm's way there by voting Bert? I fully expected him to to kill 1 or more of his voters, but was willing to make that sacrifice to get rid of the Indy. Read into that.
You have been tallying the votes but not contributing much to the conversation.
VOTE: alekx
Talk to me
I tallied the votes for myself to see where we were and since I did the work I updated the posts. I felt the conversation was typical day one mumbo jumbo. Quoting on mobile site sucks big time.
I have meetings tomorrow morning so I better get all of my thoughts out now:
1 - Pimp, your logic continues to be completely flawed. I presented plans for town to try and do something, anything, better than what we always do on day 1. Bert caught people's ire and then made an ill-advised bluff and the plan changed. And because Red coincidentlly had created a similar role in the past that required a night to arm himself, taking him out now was the right option. I even made sure I was one of the voters to decrease the chances someone with a powerful role did instead. We can't afford to lose them. Similar to how fox cast the other late vote and spilled everything he knew just in case he was to die too.
2 - Do some reading on when I made a similar sacrifice in Star Wars to protect the priest, and remember in Castlevania where I tried to do it again. But you spilled the beans, and your death blew my story. So I obviously have a very specific strategy for playing certain town roles
3 - You think wasg is speaking to me in codes as some sort of wolfly-collusion? Again, werewolves have their own thread for such talks. He was reminding me of when Tengen exploded all over me in similar fashion to bert's threat
4 - fox and behemos are cleared as far as I am concerned right now. In fact fox is doubled cleared. Spills his info in case he dies, and jumps on the grenade. I once again push for town to have a leader, and nominate fox, with behemos as his backup in case the wolves kill him.
5 - Only one kill. Could mean the indy(s) cannot kill at night
Someone to corral town, possibly make a decision on who to lynch once we have several candidates near the end of the current day. Basically, have town do the exact opposite of what happened last game.
Yeah I'm curious exactly what a leadership role entails. I'm all for plans, and democracy, but if it means putting our faith in one person to tell us who to vote for, I feel like that'd be a mistake, considering the 25% or so chance that the person you elect could be a wolf themselves. Obviously it'd get suspicious after they have us kill off a few from the town, but I think by then the damage would be done.
Further to this, wouldn't a leader who is playing the role WELL for the town become an obvious target for a night attack?
So I'd ask for a more in depth explanation of what you mean by a leader.
Yes, to both of those. The most useful town will always be a target. Fox would have to be willing to take on added risk. But it also introduces a form of cat and mouse where the wolves are also trying to avoid going after whoever they think the priest may protect. So it may actually be a deterrent to them. Of course if he was a wolf it would be major trouble for town. But I don't think its 25%. I think his actions drop his odds significantly. But everything we do in this game has risk.
Why have a leader? Reduce the effectiveness the wolves have in swaying the lynch by putting the final decision in his hands. Or if we did want to think about trying out my 2nd plan from yesterday, he could
Or fox himself could think this was a monumentally stupid idea. In case it's not obvious at this point, I'm a risk taker. And experimental. I like to come up with outside-the-box plans, stupid or not. Like when I outed myself in day 1 as the Indy, people were baffled.
Comments
Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
so are you thinking he needs to choose someone first like mutagen man before he can take them out, so effectively today is only clear shot to take him out or,
Also someone with better pokemon knowledge than me since I haven't played the game in awhile tell me if I'm correct
Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
How many votes do we need to banish him if we so choose? Is it one or two?
Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
How many votes do we need to banish him if we so choose? Is it one or two?
I think he's one away but not sure.
Since there has not been a night yet, it is possible bert has not had a chance to arm himself
How many votes do we need to banish him if we so choose? Is it one or two?
I think he's one away but not sure.
I think you're right.
The big question is can we afford to have a loose cannon running around we don't have all of the facts for?
If we can't who wants to do the honors? If we can do we have enough momentum for someone else and if so who? Or do we end the day with no lynch and potentially no new info?
Right now there is less risk in killing bert. He is not town like he claimed and is either another threat or a wildcard liablity or a lying wolf. We don't know what his goal is, even if he says it may just be another lie. We can't trust him.
If people are afraid to drop the hammer, I don't mind. Send my purple heart to my beloved.
Welp we could drop the hammer now. Ready for a possible Purple Heart? Given the possibly exploding thing I'm gonna back off... for reasons.
Give em hell fox/Conner! (Really missing DnD as well. Hoping things work out and we can get back to adventuring).
Players with Active Votes: 15
Votes needed to attack: 8
Players with Active Votes: 13
Votes needed to attack: 7
Originally posted by: alakhira
Originally posted by: fox
Right now there is less risk in killing bert. He is not town like he claimed and is either another threat or a wildcard liablity or a lying wolf. We don't know what his goal is, even if he says it may just be another lie. We can't trust him.
If people are afraid to drop the hammer, I don't mind. Send my purple heart to my beloved.
Welp we could drop the hammer now. Ready for a possible Purple Heart? Given the possibly exploding thing I'm gonna back off... for reasons.
Give em hell fox/Conner! (Really missing DnD as well. Hoping things work out and we can get back to adventuring).
Ok
UNVOTE: bert
Alakhira going to need you to vote bert Alakhira then I can revote to drop the hammer
VOTE: Bert
We need 7 of 13 or 8 of 15 for this to happen
UNVOTE: Fluffy
VOTE: Bert
behemos is town red told me at the start of the game
Final Vote Count:
ne$_pimp (3) (Bert, alakhira, behemos)
wasg13 (1) (NESfanatic)
Bert (7) (MasterBigCat, NESking80, rdools, ne$_pimp, Bronty, Brock Landers, doner24)
alakhira (2) (jmbarnes101, wasg13)
Players with Active Votes: 13
Votes needed to attack: 7
Not Voting:
Fluffy
GoldeneyeGamer
Vectrex280996
Generic
alekx
dra600n
Gloves
fox (did not vote in time)
Damnit, too late. Well it's been fun!
I'll do what then thinks is best. I was on pimp because he seemed to aim for a role reveal, but Bert has me concerned. I'm hoping Brock is right and Bert hasn't yet armed himself.
Either way I'll vote bert if we need it.
There seemed to be a lack of trust towards Bert. His explosive responses made some even more uneasy. MasterBigCat, NESking80, rdools, ne$_pimp, Bronty, Brock Landers and doner24 decided to get rid of him. As they approached him, a gigantic
KABOOM
did not happen like some were expecting. Instead, Bert tried to use Sand Attack, but it was no use. He was overpowered by the other Pokemon. The Pokemon Trainer noticed the commotion and threw out a Poke Ball. The other Pokemon scattered leaving Bert to be captured.
Role: Vanilla Townie
Win Condition: Town Win
The Pokemon Trainer thought to himself, "Eh, I already have a much cuter one. I'll just trade this one away."
Players with night roles should contact me before Night 1 ends. Night 1 will end on 3/15 at 11:00 PM NA time.
Night 1 Update:
Another scuffle was taking place in the tall grass.
"A Ditto! I always wanted one of those!"
The Pokemon Trainer threw another Poke Ball, capturing Generic.
Role: Mimic. If a night role is used on you, you will be able to use the same night role the following night. You can only use this ability once. Some night roles can not be copied.
Win Condition: Town Win
Another wild Pokemon captured. Who will be next? And why is Alakhira humming?
Begin Day 2!
Players Remaining: 19
Votes Needed to Attack before Twilight: 12
Votes Needed to Attack at Twilight: 1
Twilight begins 3/18 at 11:00 PM NA Time
Day 1 ends on 3/19 at 11:00 PM NA Time
I also can't stop humming this tune. No idea why it's stuck in my head and no idea how to stop it. Immediate fear is that this is some sort of countdown timer to my demise or other dire situation (temporary or permanent). Blergh!
@GoldeneyeGamer
Tell me about your werewolf playing history. Jester is not a normal role around here.
@Vectrex
You said you were for a day 1 lynch but didn't vote. You had a couple players you were interested in. Tell me your thought process right now.
@alekx
You have been tallying the votes but not contributing much to the conversation.
VOTE: alekx
Talk to me
So from what I gathered from Day 1, Brock is most likely a wolf. I think the town needs to explore this option. Brock as we know is very experienced with Werewolf, just read through his posts. I felt as though he forced his strategy upon everyone. And because I was resistent to it and claimed town...
I still like my idea from last game of getting 2 players to 5 votes and daring the wolves to make a choice
**VOTE: ne$_pimp
Quoted of ne$_pimp
Your vote against me Brock is very surprising. Any reason behind your thoughts? Ive already stated that I was town folk earlier. What would make you think that Im not?
So for those who suspect me or are voting me can you please explain your reasoning?
I lit a fire under Dragoon, Bert and Brock's ass, so they squirmed and ended up voting me. If we don't start questioning players the town wont get anywhere.
Dragoon has been silent. Bert has tried to defend himself, and after hearing what GoldenEye said a jester roll could make a lot of sense with his vote against me (the take me with you mentality), could also be behemos in a roll like this since he wanted to sacrifice himself.
Brock is very suspicious to me. After I claimed town and folks started to vote Bert, he voted for me. Then devised a plan that he wanted a day one lynch. Which would mean he wants to vote off a townie, why would another townie want to do that?
Brock - wants to vote me off because Im claim town. Unless he cares to explain?
I've already been completely transparant.
How are you being transparant?
Ive been transparant, just like last game everyone knows my role.
Brock, wouldn't your plan leave the wolves in a GOOD spot? The way you explained it earlier, you said that having a lynch Day 1 is good for the town, because it gets some info on the table. Basically everything I've read so far has said "let's lynch someone Day 1, it's better" from both you and fox most notably (you've both been very helpful with giving info), but your plan puts us in a position where the wolves would then probably just leave it alone, and not lynch anyone, no? If you have two people sat tied at 5, wouldn't the wolves WANT to do nothing, so as to not bring attention to themselves? While a clever plan if you consider it a "free kill" for the wolves, I feel like if they have such significantly smaller numbers, making it so obvious who is a wolf would be an even bigger failure on their part.
Am I misunderstanding, or is your plan not at odds with the tips you've provided earlier?
Depends on their self control. Especially if one of the two that's up is a wolf. I posterized this last game, with the exact same stipulations. One wolf tried to sow confusion on the votes. Then the indy panicked and jumped in to preserver his interests and inadvertadly tied up again. So then another wolf jumped in to salvage the kill. Honestly that sequence could of handed town the game but we were too dysfunctional to do anything with it (instead we lynched our own priest after he indirectly told us he was our priest)
It's a plan with complicated results. But its a complicated game.
And even if no kill happens it gives us plenty of votes (or lack thereof) to retroactively look at after future kills.
I was the Priest last game. I'm not now. So I'm not sure what your strategy is going to accomplish. At this point the votes against me will only take out a townie, then the wolves will take another tonight. Thats 2 for the wolves, 0 for the town. I'm all for a shot in the dark since the game just started. Why go after town?
So as stated before folks are playing the game the way they always do including myself. I revealed my role just like last time.
So if your town Brock why would we want an early illimination? And why go after me, when I revealed my roll, just like last time? Your stategy does not make much sense for the town. Further more you avoided my question about transparencey?
I think there is a good chance Brock is a wolf, trying to convince the town to kill there own.
Folks I think are town at this point:
wasg
Generic
Gloves
They seem to be using logic and analiyzing what others are saying and questioning other players (less agressively then I am).
So how well did Brock plan work out for the town
Oh I have a question as well, once someone is lynched, is their role revealed? So we'd know if we made a poor or wise choice lynching that player?
Quote of Brocks
Generally, yes. Last time Red ran WW it was a pretty traditional setup. The games after that started adding in crazy wolf powers that let you hide/disintegrate the bodies. When I was a wolf in the Marvel and Ninja Turtle games we had that power both times, and we used it on Day 1 specifically so we could try to nab an important role such as priest or tracker so that we could claim it later in the game. It's the perfect alibi.
And then there is these subliminal messages, which have me doubting wasg. I want the town to understand that just because we dont all have the same experience playing forum games doesnt mean we have to follow along.
what brock
That post was meant for wasg. This is why you do not have a double post rule.
I mean, like bronty said we should probably kill him. Indy's are too risky.
And bizarre behavior or not, the odds are still pretty good Pimp is town. A bert lynch has less risk
The exception is if Bert gives us a believable victory condition that that can be leveraged against the wolves.
Hey my brother in arms, i have a theory on bert and which pokemon he is, i'm hoping this cryptic message makes you think along the same path as me and that your plan might actually be sound if it goes the way you are hoping it does. read this and think about what i have said and let me know if you one get owhat i'm saying or not
Wasg and dragoon what are your thoughts?
Time to check the werewolf thread
@GoldeneyeGamer
Tell me about your werewolf playing history. Jester is not a normal role around here.
@Vectrex
You said you were for a day 1 lynch but didn't vote. You had a couple players you were interested in. Tell me your thought process right now.
@alekx
You have been tallying the votes but not contributing much to the conversation.
VOTE: alekx
Talk to me
I tallied the votes for myself to see where we were and since I did the work I updated the posts. I felt the conversation was typical day one mumbo jumbo. Quoting on mobile site sucks big time.
1 - Pimp, your logic continues to be completely flawed. I presented plans for town to try and do something, anything, better than what we always do on day 1. Bert caught people's ire and then made an ill-advised bluff and the plan changed. And because Red coincidentlly had created a similar role in the past that required a night to arm himself, taking him out now was the right option. I even made sure I was one of the voters to decrease the chances someone with a powerful role did instead. We can't afford to lose them. Similar to how fox cast the other late vote and spilled everything he knew just in case he was to die too.
2 - Do some reading on when I made a similar sacrifice in Star Wars to protect the priest, and remember in Castlevania where I tried to do it again. But you spilled the beans, and your death blew my story. So I obviously have a very specific strategy for playing certain town roles
3 - You think wasg is speaking to me in codes as some sort of wolfly-collusion? Again, werewolves have their own thread for such talks. He was reminding me of when Tengen exploded all over me in similar fashion to bert's threat
4 - fox and behemos are cleared as far as I am concerned right now. In fact fox is doubled cleared. Spills his info in case he dies, and jumps on the grenade. I once again push for town to have a leader, and nominate fox, with behemos as his backup in case the wolves kill him.
5 - Only one kill. Could mean the indy(s) cannot kill at night
And I don't get a Wolfy vibe from you at all Brock.
Further to this, wouldn't a leader who is playing the role WELL for the town become an obvious target for a night attack?
So I'd ask for a more in depth explanation of what you mean by a leader.
Why have a leader? Reduce the effectiveness the wolves have in swaying the lynch by putting the final decision in his hands. Or if we did want to think about trying out my 2nd plan from yesterday, he could
Or fox himself could think this was a monumentally stupid idea. In case it's not obvious at this point, I'm a risk taker. And experimental. I like to come up with outside-the-box plans, stupid or not. Like when I outed myself in day 1 as the Indy, people were baffled.