What constitutes Complete (CiB) games?

Wondering if I could get some feedback on this, to see where the community stands.



To me, especially with SNES and NES, CiB means with Box, Manual and Cartridge.



But to some, it means those things plus the posters/warranty information/other add-ins.



What are the thoughts of the NA community?
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  • It only depends on one thing.



    Do you consider CIB to mean "Complete in Box" or "Cart/CD, Instructions, Box"



    If the latter, then you only need the cartridge/cd, instructions, and box...if the former, then you need the poster, warranty card, map, adverts, and anything else that came from the factory it was printed in.
  • I guess this is the first I'm hearing about CiB standing for Cart/Instructions/Box, I only ever knew it as "Complete in Box"



    Obviously that changes a few things, but you're right. It's all depending on what the term "CiB" stands for.
  • I say CIB for cart instructions box, and just complete (not "complete in box") if it has everything. The abbreviation in general is used interchangeably which is a problem because describing what you actually have is a pain in the ass. So I just say its either CIB or Complete to try to avoid confusion
  • Just have to go off context clues. I personally put 'cib complete' for clarity.

    To me, complete means it has every warranty card and insert, etc.



    Example: You often may notice people put 'CB' for games missing the instructions. In those auctions, I assume that it will only include the game and box and no other inserts (unless the pics prove otherwise).
  • Also you could add in for "Complete in Box" NES games had the little cardboard or styrofoam spacer in them to take up space. And GB games had the cardboard insert that they sat in. If your definition of CIB is Cart, Instructions, Box there is far less you need to meet that then of someone who is going for a truly "Complete" copy of something.
  • I usually go with Cart, Instructions, Box for CIB and sometimes people will say 100% CIB/Complete and I take that as having the extra cards, baggies, etc.
  • Neither term means anything. Games are listed as both complete or CIB regardless of whether they're actually complete. In my mind "complete" means actually complete and CIB means "cart, insert, box" because that's how sellers usually list games. As much as people want CIB to mean complete in box, I could find 1000 for sale listings instantly where that's now how it's used.
  • After years of buying "CIBs," I feel like it's safer to assume it means "cart, instructions, and box." I originally thought it meant complete in box, but more often than not a "CIB" only has the cart, manual, and instructions. Very few sellers are willing to do the research or are knowledgeable enough to know what came in CIBs when they were first opened. Even worse, lot of sellers use the word "complete" when their listing also has a poster when they're still missing advertisements, reg cards, or warning information.



    "Complete," to me, means it has everything that was in the box when it was opened. Styrofoam, baggies, advertisements, posters, reg cards, stickers, and whatever else was in there. I'm OK with omitting food items, though, so you don't have to have a Fruit Roll-Up to call Gunstar Heroes complete.
  • Originally posted by: Philosoraptor

     I'm OK with omitting food items, though, so you don't have to have a Fruit Roll-Up to call Gunstar Heroes complete.



    oh good, I was hungry
  • Cart/Instructions/Box (I would expect the foam block/cart sleeve as well).



    100% CIB (I think it is a good term to use) Should include all contents that were originally included.
  • CIB is meaningless unless we insist on it's original meaning: Complete In Box. The other issues, such as people who consider their item "Complete In Box" just because it has those three items, are ancillary. If they use CIB in their listing then they can expect the buyer to challenge it as not being as described. Their fault for ignorantly using the wrong term to describe their item.
  • For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.
  • Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/322465869785 



     
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32246586...;



     



    Link might be broke, it says the item was removed for me. What is it?

     
  • Originally posted by: RetroReploid

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32246586...;



     



    Link might be broke, it says the item was removed for me. What is it?

     

    A CIB Lego set.



    image 

     
  • I use complete exclusively for including everything it originally sold with.



    Cib for cart instructions box.
  • It varies person to person.



    When I read CIB I assume Cart, Instructions, Box.



    If you want all inserts, posters, epilepsy warning, etc - you are looking for Complete. But some might think Complete means *my* definition of CIB. And for GB games, the tray may not be included because it's not part of the CIB definition.



    At the end of the day, it is all confusing. Best to get pictures or ask for specifics.
  • Originally posted by: Bert

     
    Originally posted by: Philosoraptor

     I'm OK with omitting food items, though, so you don't have to have a Fruit Roll-Up to call Gunstar Heroes complete.



    oh good, I was hungry



    Haha! This happened to me just recently. I got a small package of Haribo gummi bears with my copy of Super Meat Boy and I totally ate them.

  • Originally posted by: CZroe



    CIB is meaningless unless we insist on it's original meaning: Complete In Box. The other issues, such as people who consider their item "Complete In Box" just because it has those three items, are ancillary. If they use CIB in their listing then they can expect the buyer to challenge it as not being as described. Their fault for ignorantly using the wrong term to describe their item.

    "It's original meaning," in your opinion of course. This guy up from 2013 never hearing the "I" referred to as instructions, newer generation of collectors maybe?


  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32246586...;



     



    Link might be broke, it says the item was removed for me. What is it?

     

    A CIB Lego set.



    image 

     





    Why link to a lego set? I think I am missing the context lol.
  • Originally posted by: RetroReploid

    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    For me personally:

    Complete = inserts included



    CIB = Cart/Instruction/Box minimum



    Almost impossible to know what complete actually is though. People Frankenstein their games too much so you could do research but unless you are watching or doing an actual unboxing of a sealed game you can't know what is originally included. Also the same game can have different inserts depending on when it was manufactured. So basically if I want something complete then I do expect some inserts included other than the manual and consumer info stuff.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32246586...;



     



    Link might be broke, it says the item was removed for me. What is it?

     

    A CIB Lego set.



    image 

     





    Why link to a lego set? I think I am missing the context lol.



    he's saying in every other market CIB means complete in box. Video games is the only one where lines are blurred, they shouldn't be, but that's just the way it goes
  • I think its safe to assume CIB is cart/instructions/box when buying. You should be getting at least that. Complete would mean your getting everything included with the game.
  • I used to say complete in box, but personally i dont think its necessary to have the warranty card or the nintendo power sign up sheet. although those can be super cool to see since np is gone.
  • Ah gotcha. I agree. I don't use complete or cib when I sell I just use the title of the game and take pictures of everything that is included. I was strictly speaking when I buy and I see the letters "CIB" it needs to at least have the cart/manual/box.
  • Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    Ah gotcha. I agree. I don't use complete or cib when I sell I just use the title of the game and take pictures of everything that is included. I was strictly speaking when I buy and I see the letters "CIB" it needs to at least have the cart/manual/box.

    Then you might lose out on sales because people looking for complete or simply boxed with manual games are both going to expect to find CIB in your listing. Unfortunately, I would be forced to perpetuate this if I were selling boxed with manual even though I risk having my item refunded for not being "as described," since I agree that CIB literally means "Complete In Box." You can't win.  

     
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: RetroReploid



    Ah gotcha. I agree. I don't use complete or cib when I sell I just use the title of the game and take pictures of everything that is included. I was strictly speaking when I buy and I see the letters "CIB" it needs to at least have the cart/manual/box.

    Then you might lose out on sales because people looking for complete or simply boxed with manual games are both going to expect to find CIB in your listing. Unfortunately, I would be forced to perpetuate this if I were selling boxed with manual even though I risk having my item refunded for not being "as described," since I agree that CIB literally means "Complete In Box." You can't win.  

     



    For a person who lives on selling games, I would agree that they need to use cib and such. I don't though and just putting the name of the game usually gets whatever doubles I am selling bought within a few hours.

     
  • To me complete in box (or CIB) means at least cart/disc, manual, and original box.  Other inserts like warranty registration, publisher flyer, Nintendo Power subscription sign up are all just extra bonus stuff that's not attached to the actual game being complete.



    Only exceptions to this would be if the game came with say a poster or map, etc, that was specific to that game like for example in certain RPGs. 



    Of course this is my personal definition of what is CIB.  I don't collect CIB anyways so it really doesn't even matter to me.
  • I never buy something based on CIB or complete in the title. I look at the pictures and make my own judgement. If they are poor pics or no pics then i pass.
  • Originally posted by: XYZ



    I never buy something based on CIB or complete in the title. I look at the pictures and make my own judgement. If they are poor pics or no pics then i pass.

    Right, but do you at least thin the results to get rid of loose games using terms like "CIB" or "complete?" That's where it becomes important for the seller to include that term.



     
  • I don't consider warranty, registration, Nintendo Power fliers, generic posters (advertisement posters like the R.O.B. poster from NES games, or etc), or Health and Safety leaflets to be necessary for CIB, as they were universal. If a game would have come with a poster, artbook (no matter how small), short guide, or in the case of MegaMan Battle Network 5 or the JP Battle Network 4, a battle chip, then I don't consider it complete in box without that.



    Also even though they were universal, I don't consider GB games CIB without the plastic case, nor do I consider NES games CIB without the styrofoam spacer.
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