It's probably a bad time, bad economy, or something. What ever the excuse is, you shouldn't shame people who couldn't/didn't want to/ or didn't know. If the world was perfect, we wouldn't need to ask for any help.
Always count the blessings, never the afflictions. Pessimism can bring forth demands and obligations toward people who also probably don't have anything to give.
That can work both ways. If he's simplifying it, so are you.
What can work both ways, and what is he simplifying?
As others have said, victimizing himself because people didn't donate to his cause is asinine. He's simplifying their intentions by trying to lump it all under one objective umbrella.
...And I'm not sure what my second point was now. Fuck off, I'm literally running like 2 hours of sleep here. Legit no lie, dude. I felt like you were simplifying... something, I just can't remember what it was anymore. Time for bed. At least I wrote this post with the retention of one good point. <_<
Hahaha, no worries. I'll give you that. I can't chastise or postulate your opinion.
Get some shut-eye, man. If you ever wanna chat on something, hit me up.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
It's probably a bad time, bad economy, or something. What ever the excuse is, you shouldn't shame people who couldn't/didn't want to/ or didn't know. If the world was perfect, we wouldn't need to ask for any help.
Always count the blessings, never the afflictions. Pessimism can bring forth demands and obligations toward people who also probably don't have anything to give.
That can work both ways. If he's simplifying it, so are you.
What can work both ways, and what is he simplifying?
As others have said, victimizing himself because people didn't donate to his cause is asinine. He's simplifying their intentions by trying to lump it all under one objective umbrella.
...And I'm not sure what my second point was now. Fuck off, I'm literally running like 2 hours of sleep here. Legit no lie, dude. I felt like you were simplifying... something, I just can't remember what it was anymore. Time for bed. At least I wrote this post with the retention of one good point. <_<
Thanks man. I know how the NA lynch mob works and I was expecting a lot of negativity from this. I understand. I come off like a jerk maybe but I don't care. Like I said those that do know me, understand.
Those that want to think I'm an asshole and that I don't love NA can go right ahead.
If I didn't care I wouldn't have posted my concern.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need.
To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need. To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
They sure welcome you if your a new guy but boy do they forget you if you can't come around for a while. There are legends here you probably havn't even heard of.. Like Joel
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need. To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
They sure welcome you if your a new guy but boy do they forget you if you can't come around for a while. There are legends here you probably havn't even heard of.. Like Joel
Well aware of joel from one reference after another. Went back and read the original threads at some point - they were hilarious. Its no dig to you for having bigger things to do, but you cant expect people who have never heard of you to shell out cash. There are plenty of places where people once knew me, and i certainly wouldn't expect help if i showed up there after a long time, even if it was for good reason.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
This is not an anti community thread.
So what are your intentions? Because when you make a post with the title that you're "disappointed with this community", you're taking a gigantic shit on the community that exists now, here, in 2017, and if my defending it looks like butthurt to you I don't really care.
I get how things used to be. On a smaller scale they still are. But your active years were when we had far less overall members. People come and people go, that's part of life. I stay in touch with plenty of folks that aren't active here any longer, but used to be "back in the day" so to speak.
Everybody's "day" is different. I'm sure there's people here that were huge in 2007-2008 that posted all the time (and then left) that don't know who the fuck I am either.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
This is not an anti community thread.
So what are your intentions? Because when you make a post with the title that you're "disappointed with this community", you're taking a gigantic shit on the community that exists now, here, in 2017, and if my defending it looks like butthurt to you I don't really care.
I get how things used to be. On a smaller scale they still are. But your active years were when we had far less overall members. People come and people go, that's part of life. I stay in touch with plenty of folks that aren't active here any longer, but used to be "back in the day" so to speak.
Everybody's "day" is different. I'm sure there's people here that were huge in 2007-2008 that posted all the time (and then left) that don't know who the fuck I am either.
What you are doing is excluding me from the community because I raise a question. I am also part of the community I am disapointed in. I'm not shitting on NA. I think what Dain has created here is brilliant and amazing. Just because I havn't been as active as I once was shouldn't reset my time here. The way you went after Shannon and how he hasn't posted latley is pretty crappy considering. You know he didn't ask here. I did for him. I thought some folks here would remember his conributions or perhaps how he helped them out back in the day as he did many.
I know you feel like I'm attacking NA but I am not. The only thing at risk here is my reputation which as it appears is all but forgoten now anyway even though I still stay active here periodically dispite my life's focus being away from gaming right now.
What I ask is where are my friends? Where is the cummunity now.
If you want to help me understand that NA is still a great family then please do. If you want to make me out to be a bad guy or wrong for asking then so be it as well.
Step back and look at the sentence "I'm very disappointed with this community..."
Without knowing the voice inflection it's impossible to know how you intended this sentence to sound.
Could it come across as if you are showcasing negative feelings toward it? Yes.
Might you have meant it a completely different way? Yes.
It's definitely coming across as if you're emotional. As you should be. Your buddy is in trouble and you're doing what you can to help him out. That's pretty damn noble.
I think what you should do is this:
Take the attention that this thread is currently getting, and show us again how we can help your friend out. Stop trying to argue about your intentions and just make them clear right now. Post a link to the gofundme. Explain who your friend is and what he's going through. I've been here for a long time and I don't know who he is. But I don't pay attention to names too often, so that's to be expected. Plus my memory is shit.
Let's shelve all the hostility (on both sides) and try to come together and see what we can do. We certainly can't say that this thread is being overlooked like your previous one.
Step back and look at the sentence "I'm very disappointed with this community..."
Without knowing the voice inflection it's impossible to know how you intended this sentence to sound.
Could it come across as if you are showcasing negative feelings toward it? Yes.
Might you have meant it a completely different way? Yes.
It's definitely coming across as if you're emotional. As you should be. Your buddy is in trouble and you're doing what you can to help him out. That's pretty damn noble.
I think what you should do is this:
Take the attention that this thread is currently getting, and show us again how we can help your friend out. Stop trying to argue about your intentions and just make them clear right now. Post a link to the gofundme. Explain who your friend is and what he's going through. I've been here for a long time and I don't know who he is. But I don't pay attention to names too often, so that's to be expected. Plus my memory is shit.
Let's shelve all the hostility (on both sides) and try to come together and see what we can do. We certainly can't say that this thread is being overlooked like your previous one.
You are absolutly right. You're being 100% objective and using reasoning. Get the hell off the internet! Your kind is not welcome here!
lol..
Thanks for this. I was emotionally upset at the time of posting for the reasons you noted.
My intentions was to find the community or else know that it is gone I guess.
I know there are many ways I could have done this better. Hindsight is 20/20 and cooler heads prevail however. A discussion is never a bad thing. Ususally good things come out of them.
As far as helping shan. This post isn't about doing that. I wasn't trying to shame anyone into helping him or tobuy my record. If anyone wants to help RSA2000 I hope they look for the recent thred and do so.
I didn't purchase your music, but I can say that I liked it. It was good. If you were in the US and it was cheaper to get it, I would definitely buy a physical copy of your album or cd. I don't purchase digitally anything music. I just end up losing it, or switching computers and its gone for good or forgotten. I didn't really know there was an option to buy it digitally. I didn't look too close. I saw that it was expensive to get an album here though, and thats understandable. Shipping from canada is high.
I listened to the whole thing though. Your website had a link to listen. And it was solid, and I mentioned that in your thread that I liked it.
As per the other person, I don't know who that NA member is, and I personally hadnt seen any thread about their situation. Sounds horrible, but man Im on here all the time and I don't recognize that name.
The community still does stuff like that man, its just not quite the same as before. You have to be active and involved for people to notice it really. Before your album thread I hadn't seen you here in a long time really, and its good to see you back old friend. NA isnt the same as it used to be. Games are expensive and the hobby has shifted and gotten larger causing alot of newer people to the site. Its harder to keep track of everyone and their situation.
I'm sorry no one here bought your new album. You put a lot of work into it and as you know it's not easy.
Don't give up. Start a new thread with a short YouTube video showing people what you got. See if you can turn a few heads that way.
Another thing to remember is that you on the tail end of some extensive gofundme abuse.
When people are asked to fund anything and everything for the past few years they go numb. It takes an extreme case to open wallets these days.
Honestly it's very disheartening to go away to make a record which tsake s everything you got believe me and you come back and nobody remembers who you are. lol
I'm ok with the thread I made . Na isn't a dumping ground for other things trying to sell art and things but I figured one post in everything else would be tolorable.
I understand the gofundme thing your talking about. I guess that in conjunction with others abuse would cause some to hesitate. I think the problem is everone doesn't want to lok cheap sending what they can like 5 bucks or even two. If enough did that then he would have a lot less to worry about. I hope others can find that thread and do what they can.
Again this thread isn't intedned to rekindle those thigns just used as examples of why I am feling so upset about the lack of any kind of support for him.
I didn't purchase your music, but I can say that I liked it. It was good. If you were in the US and it was cheaper to get it, I would definitely buy a physical copy of your album or cd. I don't purchase digitally anything music. I just end up losing it, or switching computers and its gone for good or forgotten. I didn't really know there was an option to buy it digitally. I didn't look too close. I saw that it was expensive to get an album here though, and thats understandable. Shipping from canada is high.
I listened to the whole thing though. Your website had a link to listen. And it was solid, and I mentioned that in your thread that I liked it.
As per the other person, I don't know who that NA member is, and I personally hadnt seen any thread about their situation. Sounds horrible, but man Im on here all the time and I don't recognize that name.
The community still does stuff like that man, its just not quite the same as before. You have to be active and involved for people to notice it really. Before your album thread I hadn't seen you here in a long time really, and its good to see you back old friend. NA isnt the same as it used to be. Games are expensive and the hobby has shifted and gotten larger causing alot of newer people to the site. Its harder to keep track of everyone and their situation.
Keep making music man. You are great at it.
Thanks man. I apprecited your listening to it and for your kind words in the post!
I also appreciate you taking the time to try and help me understand things clearer and not just get all upset with me. Like I said .. those that know me would understand
To me, this is mainly collectors forum, and I know maybe 2 persons here personally (since I am from Finland). I like the community and I am very thankful of all the help I have gotten regarding collecting. And that is what I feel this forum is about - collecting related stuff mainly. I will mainly check the posts that interest me and they are 99% of collecting related posts. I feel the knowledge and support from fellow collectors in collecting matters this is the best community ever.
I'm amazed and proud of the community here for not blowing up this post with negative comments.
I can completely understand where you're coming from. I gone through a ton of personal projects and the lack of support from even my close friends and acquaintances can be infuriating at time.
I fairly new to this community, and check in at the most every other day and at the least like once every two weeks. I did post for a contest I'm running on my youtube channel where I'm giving away a translated repro game each month and got like 1 entry. I don't expect a bunch of support but I thought that might appeal to some more people. I really think many people just didn't see it.
To that point, I didn't see either of the posts you mention here. I'll check out your album for sure, I love discovering more local indie music!
Honestly Del I think you needed to make more of a stink! I didn't listen to your music but I'll be honest, I'm an old fart, I still listen to what came out in the 90s and before and that's about it. I shouldn't be closed off to new music but I kinda am.
With respect to your friend, that's terrible and kind of embarrassing that no one donated. I know he set up a gofundme , but I would have tried telling more of his story and raising money on NA thru PayPal rather than just linking a gofundme; I know I'll help fund a need on NA but something that asks me to go offsite for someone I didn't realize was a member got skipped over.
I'll be happy to send 50 bucks to his PayPal or yours. Can you post the details into the OP ? Give people a reason to care, and make it easy for them to help, would be my 2 cents. Good luck to your friend, that kind of flooding must be awful.
You're squeaking more loudly now, and you have more people's attention, so let's use this opportunity to get your friend some help. Who's with me?
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I think if you're looking for a close-knit internet "family", NA isn't really that place anymore.
My impression has been the opposite. What makes you say this?
Originally posted by: Nirvana
In OP's defense, I do think charity shouldn't have barriers. Why does it matter if you don't know the person or not?
I feel you're simplfying something here.
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Nirvana
In OP's defense, I do think charity shouldn't have barriers. Why does it matter if you don't know the person or not?
I feel you're simplfying something here.
Not sure if sarcastic or srs and tbh I don't care right now. Like I was telling Bounce, my eyes are literally about to shut. >_>
It's probably a bad time, bad economy, or something. What ever the excuse is, you shouldn't shame people who couldn't/didn't want to/ or didn't know. If the world was perfect, we wouldn't need to ask for any help.
Always count the blessings, never the afflictions. Pessimism can bring forth demands and obligations toward people who also probably don't have anything to give.
That can work both ways. If he's simplifying it, so are you.
What can work both ways, and what is he simplifying?
As others have said, victimizing himself because people didn't donate to his cause is asinine. He's simplifying their intentions by trying to lump it all under one objective umbrella.
...And I'm not sure what my second point was now. Fuck off, I'm literally running like 2 hours of sleep here. Legit no lie, dude. I felt like you were simplifying... something, I just can't remember what it was anymore. Time for bed. At least I wrote this post with the retention of one good point. <_<
Hahaha, no worries. I'll give you that. I can't chastise or postulate your opinion.
Get some shut-eye, man. If you ever wanna chat on something, hit me up.
I think if you're looking for a close-knit internet "family", NA isn't really that place anymore.
My impression has been the opposite. What makes you say this?
I mean I don't know how your family works, but in mine we don't call each other a bitch when we don't like their tone.
Nah I'm just fucking with ya. Because, like I said, the place is huge and a ton of members come and go every month.
Originally posted by: Mog
I still love you del!
Love you too man! ... They forgot about Del
I didnt see your threads, simply missed both. Doesnt mean I dont care tho!!
It's probably a bad time, bad economy, or something. What ever the excuse is, you shouldn't shame people who couldn't/didn't want to/ or didn't know. If the world was perfect, we wouldn't need to ask for any help.
Always count the blessings, never the afflictions. Pessimism can bring forth demands and obligations toward people who also probably don't have anything to give.
That can work both ways. If he's simplifying it, so are you.
What can work both ways, and what is he simplifying?
As others have said, victimizing himself because people didn't donate to his cause is asinine. He's simplifying their intentions by trying to lump it all under one objective umbrella.
...And I'm not sure what my second point was now. Fuck off, I'm literally running like 2 hours of sleep here. Legit no lie, dude. I felt like you were simplifying... something, I just can't remember what it was anymore. Time for bed. At least I wrote this post with the retention of one good point. <_<
Thanks man. I know how the NA lynch mob works and I was expecting a lot of negativity from this. I understand. I come off like a jerk maybe but I don't care. Like I said those that do know me, understand.
Those that want to think I'm an asshole and that I don't love NA can go right ahead.
If I didn't care I wouldn't have posted my concern.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
This is not an anti community thread.
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need.
To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
In OP's defense, I do think charity shouldn't have barriers. Why does it matter if you don't know the person or not?
In the real world, money is a finite resource. Choices need to be made, and that usually means you prioritize charity with the people you know.
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need. To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
They sure welcome you if your a new guy but boy do they forget you if you can't come around for a while. There are legends here you probably havn't even heard of.. Like Joel
I can personally vouch for the community and the generosity found here.
My son Vincent a little less than a year ago suddenly died in his sleep at 13 months old. Wasn't a sick child...we just woke up to tragedy.
The guys here rallied together and scrounged up a nice donation which helped kickstart my sons final resting place fund, and it really warmed my heart and completely changed me overnight. In fact even though there were people of different beliefs it really validates a scripture that reads "blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"
My personal anecdotes and tragedy aside, I remember donating when I first joined the site to Laserman when his house was robbed. I also know that the folks here donated to keep the site running. I know a lot of guys behind the scenes give each other gifts and moral support too.
I'm sorry what's going on, and I'm sorry to generalize but I think your post just fell under the radar or something. We're very tight knit here, and silly nerdy arguments and even pseudo-enemies aside we stick together.
NA despite its controversial status is an awesome place. I'm not sure what else I can say other than that.
Some perspective from a newer member (been around a couple years). I donated to the above. Never had any transactions with him, PMs or anything like that. But I had seen him around the forums a lot and knew him to be a very active member. When this tragedy occurred, his thread was bumped over and over - you couldnt miss it. Someone we all know was in need. To the contrary, i didnt see your threads, ive never seen your avator or posts, and ive never heard of your friend - and I log on everyday. Show up here and others will probably show up when you need something.
They sure welcome you if your a new guy but boy do they forget you if you can't come around for a while. There are legends here you probably havn't even heard of.. Like Joel
Well aware of joel from one reference after another. Went back and read the original threads at some point - they were hilarious. Its no dig to you for having bigger things to do, but you cant expect people who have never heard of you to shell out cash. There are plenty of places where people once knew me, and i certainly wouldn't expect help if i showed up there after a long time, even if it was for good reason.
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
This is not an anti community thread.
So what are your intentions? Because when you make a post with the title that you're "disappointed with this community", you're taking a gigantic shit on the community that exists now, here, in 2017, and if my defending it looks like butthurt to you I don't really care.
I get how things used to be. On a smaller scale they still are. But your active years were when we had far less overall members. People come and people go, that's part of life. I stay in touch with plenty of folks that aren't active here any longer, but used to be "back in the day" so to speak.
Everybody's "day" is different. I'm sure there's people here that were huge in 2007-2008 that posted all the time (and then left) that don't know who the fuck I am either.
Sorry that you feel disconnected from the community now, but stick around and get to know all us newbies!
If you had to leave for a period to do your real life things there's nothing wrong with that. All I was saying is, this place will change during that time. You need to give the new people a chance to get to know you. I've made many friends since I've joined, and I've helped them out and they've helped me out. Doesn't mean I'm going to send money to every rando that appears out of no where.
I undestand that full well. I know we all only have so much to give and you have to help those closet to you first.
There are so many reasons why so many could not help. That's OK. Nobody was asking for someone to put themselves without.
What I didn't get was that 100% couldn't or just wouldn't.
I don't forget the love this community had. I'm sure it still exists in forms and amongst some of you.
I don't want anyone thinking I've forgoten about how great this community was or perhaps stuill is. Just within the last years I was selling off some hih end stuff to pay for health insurance. One member offered to loan me the money istead of buying the item even though we are not tight friends. I declined and I sold the item because I could get by by doing that. There's more important things in life than games.
I didn't make this post hoping to find there's no community left. I hoped to find that it's quite the poposite. So far most people feel the need to get butthurt and vilanize my intentions. So be it.
This is not an anti community thread.
So what are your intentions? Because when you make a post with the title that you're "disappointed with this community", you're taking a gigantic shit on the community that exists now, here, in 2017, and if my defending it looks like butthurt to you I don't really care.
I get how things used to be. On a smaller scale they still are. But your active years were when we had far less overall members. People come and people go, that's part of life. I stay in touch with plenty of folks that aren't active here any longer, but used to be "back in the day" so to speak.
Everybody's "day" is different. I'm sure there's people here that were huge in 2007-2008 that posted all the time (and then left) that don't know who the fuck I am either.
What you are doing is excluding me from the community because I raise a question. I am also part of the community I am disapointed in. I'm not shitting on NA. I think what Dain has created here is brilliant and amazing. Just because I havn't been as active as I once was shouldn't reset my time here. The way you went after Shannon and how he hasn't posted latley is pretty crappy considering. You know he didn't ask here. I did for him. I thought some folks here would remember his conributions or perhaps how he helped them out back in the day as he did many.
I know you feel like I'm attacking NA but I am not. The only thing at risk here is my reputation which as it appears is all but forgoten now anyway even though I still stay active here periodically dispite my life's focus being away from gaming right now.
What I ask is where are my friends? Where is the cummunity now.
If you want to help me understand that NA is still a great family then please do. If you want to make me out to be a bad guy or wrong for asking then so be it as well.
Yeah I think the guys you were tight with have mostly moved on. There's not a ton of oldies still hanging about.
Sorry that you feel disconnected from the community now, but stick around and get to know all us newbies!
That's a sweet post. Thanks. I'm Del .. Pleased to meet you.
Step back and look at the sentence "I'm very disappointed with this community..."
Without knowing the voice inflection it's impossible to know how you intended this sentence to sound.
Could it come across as if you are showcasing negative feelings toward it? Yes.
Might you have meant it a completely different way? Yes.
It's definitely coming across as if you're emotional. As you should be. Your buddy is in trouble and you're doing what you can to help him out. That's pretty damn noble.
I think what you should do is this:
Take the attention that this thread is currently getting, and show us again how we can help your friend out. Stop trying to argue about your intentions and just make them clear right now. Post a link to the gofundme. Explain who your friend is and what he's going through. I've been here for a long time and I don't know who he is. But I don't pay attention to names too often, so that's to be expected. Plus my memory is shit.
Let's shelve all the hostility (on both sides) and try to come together and see what we can do. We certainly can't say that this thread is being overlooked like your previous one.
Getting together is what makes a great community into a great community. So let's freaking do that, man. #MakeNintnedoageGreatAgain or something.
Arguing on the internet is dumb.
Step back and look at the sentence "I'm very disappointed with this community..."
Without knowing the voice inflection it's impossible to know how you intended this sentence to sound.
Could it come across as if you are showcasing negative feelings toward it? Yes.
Might you have meant it a completely different way? Yes.
It's definitely coming across as if you're emotional. As you should be. Your buddy is in trouble and you're doing what you can to help him out. That's pretty damn noble.
I think what you should do is this:
Take the attention that this thread is currently getting, and show us again how we can help your friend out. Stop trying to argue about your intentions and just make them clear right now. Post a link to the gofundme. Explain who your friend is and what he's going through. I've been here for a long time and I don't know who he is. But I don't pay attention to names too often, so that's to be expected. Plus my memory is shit.
Let's shelve all the hostility (on both sides) and try to come together and see what we can do. We certainly can't say that this thread is being overlooked like your previous one.
You are absolutly right. You're being 100% objective and using reasoning. Get the hell off the internet! Your kind is not welcome here!
lol..
Thanks for this. I was emotionally upset at the time of posting for the reasons you noted.
My intentions was to find the community or else know that it is gone I guess.
I know there are many ways I could have done this better. Hindsight is 20/20 and cooler heads prevail however. A discussion is never a bad thing. Ususally good things come out of them.
As far as helping shan. This post isn't about doing that. I wasn't trying to shame anyone into helping him or tobuy my record. If anyone wants to help RSA2000 I hope they look for the recent thred and do so.
Thanks again. This is a great moderation!
Love you Khan
Don't give up. Start a new thread with a short YouTube video showing people what you got. See if you can turn a few heads that way.
Another thing to remember is that you on the tail end of some extensive gofundme abuse.
When people are asked to fund anything and everything for the past few years they go numb. It takes an extreme case to open wallets these days.
I listened to the whole thing though. Your website had a link to listen. And it was solid, and I mentioned that in your thread that I liked it.
As per the other person, I don't know who that NA member is, and I personally hadnt seen any thread about their situation. Sounds horrible, but man Im on here all the time and I don't recognize that name.
The community still does stuff like that man, its just not quite the same as before. You have to be active and involved for people to notice it really. Before your album thread I hadn't seen you here in a long time really, and its good to see you back old friend. NA isnt the same as it used to be. Games are expensive and the hobby has shifted and gotten larger causing alot of newer people to the site. Its harder to keep track of everyone and their situation.
Keep making music man. You are great at it.
I'm sorry no one here bought your new album. You put a lot of work into it and as you know it's not easy.
Don't give up. Start a new thread with a short YouTube video showing people what you got. See if you can turn a few heads that way.
Another thing to remember is that you on the tail end of some extensive gofundme abuse.
When people are asked to fund anything and everything for the past few years they go numb. It takes an extreme case to open wallets these days.
Honestly it's very disheartening to go away to make a record which tsake s everything you got believe me and you come back and nobody remembers who you are. lol
I'm ok with the thread I made . Na isn't a dumping ground for other things trying to sell art and things but I figured one post in everything else would be tolorable.
I understand the gofundme thing your talking about. I guess that in conjunction with others abuse would cause some to hesitate. I think the problem is everone doesn't want to lok cheap sending what they can like 5 bucks or even two. If enough did that then he would have a lot less to worry about. I hope others can find that thread and do what they can.
Again this thread isn't intedned to rekindle those thigns just used as examples of why I am feling so upset about the lack of any kind of support for him.
I didn't purchase your music, but I can say that I liked it. It was good. If you were in the US and it was cheaper to get it, I would definitely buy a physical copy of your album or cd. I don't purchase digitally anything music. I just end up losing it, or switching computers and its gone for good or forgotten. I didn't really know there was an option to buy it digitally. I didn't look too close. I saw that it was expensive to get an album here though, and thats understandable. Shipping from canada is high.
I listened to the whole thing though. Your website had a link to listen. And it was solid, and I mentioned that in your thread that I liked it.
As per the other person, I don't know who that NA member is, and I personally hadnt seen any thread about their situation. Sounds horrible, but man Im on here all the time and I don't recognize that name.
The community still does stuff like that man, its just not quite the same as before. You have to be active and involved for people to notice it really. Before your album thread I hadn't seen you here in a long time really, and its good to see you back old friend. NA isnt the same as it used to be. Games are expensive and the hobby has shifted and gotten larger causing alot of newer people to the site. Its harder to keep track of everyone and their situation.
Keep making music man. You are great at it.
Thanks man. I apprecited your listening to it and for your kind words in the post!
I also appreciate you taking the time to try and help me understand things clearer and not just get all upset with me. Like I said .. those that know me would understand
Dumb shits had to stir that up and ruin it. I know there have been a handful of unnoficial chats. But its not the same.
I can completely understand where you're coming from. I gone through a ton of personal projects and the lack of support from even my close friends and acquaintances can be infuriating at time.
I fairly new to this community, and check in at the most every other day and at the least like once every two weeks. I did post for a contest I'm running on my youtube channel where I'm giving away a translated repro game each month and got like 1 entry. I don't expect a bunch of support but I thought that might appeal to some more people. I really think many people just didn't see it.
To that point, I didn't see either of the posts you mention here. I'll check out your album for sure, I love discovering more local indie music!
With respect to your friend, that's terrible and kind of embarrassing that no one donated. I know he set up a gofundme , but I would have tried telling more of his story and raising money on NA thru PayPal rather than just linking a gofundme; I know I'll help fund a need on NA but something that asks me to go offsite for someone I didn't realize was a member got skipped over.
I'll be happy to send 50 bucks to his PayPal or yours. Can you post the details into the OP ? Give people a reason to care, and make it easy for them to help, would be my 2 cents. Good luck to your friend, that kind of flooding must be awful.
You're squeaking more loudly now, and you have more people's attention, so let's use this opportunity to get your friend some help. Who's with me?