Another Crook on eBay....
I sold this game as a 2nd chance offer.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262992618953?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The person wanted to cancel the auction but was to late because I already printed the label. We had a go around thru eBay messages. I was told when they get the game they will do a return. I informed the crook, you can try that, but, eBay has already sided with my on other exact circumstances. They received the game today and started a return for the game being not as described. The shipping box wasn't damaged, the crook smashed the game as pictured to try and get their money back...
This is the picture of the shipping box the crook provided ebay to show it wasn't damaged. Does anyone see anything unusual about it?
That's right, it hadn't been opened yet. You can tell they preplanned this because, who takes a picture of a box that isn't damaged or even opened yet, before filing a return request for, "not as described?"
I will add more later.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262992618953?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The person wanted to cancel the auction but was to late because I already printed the label. We had a go around thru eBay messages. I was told when they get the game they will do a return. I informed the crook, you can try that, but, eBay has already sided with my on other exact circumstances. They received the game today and started a return for the game being not as described. The shipping box wasn't damaged, the crook smashed the game as pictured to try and get their money back...
This is the picture of the shipping box the crook provided ebay to show it wasn't damaged. Does anyone see anything unusual about it?
That's right, it hadn't been opened yet. You can tell they preplanned this because, who takes a picture of a box that isn't damaged or even opened yet, before filing a return request for, "not as described?"
I will add more later.
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damn it! i wanted to have the first reply!
Only 14 seconds off!
You're completely in the right, and I'm not criticizing your actions, but I personally would've handled it differently. I try to avoid situations like this, and if that buyer had initially given me a hard time and then continuously made it apparent that he will stop at nothing until he gets his way, I would've just saved myself the aggravation and relisted. Especially if it all happened before I even shipped. I hate buyers like that and I hate letting them win, but it saves me a lot of pointless stress.
Thats a great way of doing things. In the long run it will be more beneficial than the quick $100 or whatever you might get from the sale.
I don't think you should've shipped in the first place, he wanted to cancel which you denied (rightfully so, but why force the buyer to get something they don't want anymore?), so the buyer stated that he would return it upon delivery, which you replied basically you can go ahead and try but ebay will side with me, you have to admit at this point a crooked not as described claim is a possible outcome.
Share his name here so other sellers can look out for em, or put em on the blocked bidder list... or he could even be on here.
I will provide more information after the claim is filed. I already talked to Ebay, they can't do anything until a calim is filed. It doesn't look good for the buyer when they try the feedback blackmail sceme and tell different stories.
That's terrible, ruined a mint sealed game just to force a return that's pretty low, now I guess it's going to be up to eBay to decide who is in the wrong, and the buyer knows the odds are in his favor, it's a flip coin at best now.
I don't think you should've shipped in the first place, he wanted to cancel which you denied (rightfully so, but why force the buyer to get something they don't want anymore?), so the buyer stated that he would return it upon delivery, which you replied basically you can go ahead and try but ebay will side with me, you have to admit at this point a crooked not as described claim is a possible outcome.
I could have cancelled but, the auction states perfectly clear what they are buying. If they are to fucking lazy to read the few line in the description before bidding/buying that's on them. Once feedback was bought up, all bets were off. I don't take any shit from people anymore.... Now they will end up with a game they destroyed themselves.
Originally posted by: atwoodtm
Originally posted by: guitarzombie
Share his name here so other sellers can look out for em, or put em on the blocked bidder list... or he could even be on here.
I will provide more information after the claim is filed. I already talked to Ebay, they can't do anything until a calim is filed. It doesn't look good for the buyer when they try the feedback blackmail sceme and tell different stories.
People think ebay gives too much 'power' to the seller, and they do... unless you actually call them or talk to them. Then they can read thru your messages or give them extra info (even describing to them what a fake NES game looks like etc) and they can make the decision.
That's terrible, ruined a mint sealed game just to force a return that's pretty low, now I guess it's going to be up to eBay to decide who is in the wrong, and the buyer knows the odds are in his favor, it's a flip coin at best now.
I don't think you should've shipped in the first place, he wanted to cancel which you denied (rightfully so, but why force the buyer to get something they don't want anymore?), so the buyer stated that he would return it upon delivery, which you replied basically you can go ahead and try but ebay will side with me, you have to admit at this point a crooked not as described claim is a possible outcome.
I could have cancelled but, the auction states perfectly clear what they are buying. If they are to fucking lazy to read the few line in the description before bidding/buying that's on them. Once feedback was bought up, all bets were off. I don't take any shit from people anymore.... Now they will end up with a game they destroyed themselves.
That's all fine, good to know the buyer is not going to get away with it, all I'm saying is that once in a while you might get the short end of the stick in a similar situation if you get a unscrupulous buyer that knows exactly how to play his cards.
Share his name here so other sellers can look out for em, or put em on the blocked bidder list... or he could even be on here.
I will provide more information after the claim is filed. I already talked to Ebay, they can't do anything until a calim is filed. It doesn't look good for the buyer when they try the feedback blackmail sceme and tell different stories.
People think ebay gives too much 'power' to the seller, and they do... unless you actually call them or talk to them. Then they can read thru your messages or give them extra info (even describing to them what a fake NES game looks like etc) and they can make the decision.
eBay read our messages. It didn't help when the buyer told 2 different stories. First, I thought it was for the case, bullshit.... They should learn how to read. After they received the game and destroyed it, they bought it for a gift for someone. If they bought it for a gift, they wouldn't want cancel the auction.
I sold this game as a 2nd chance offer.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262992618953?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:I...
The person wanted to cancel the auction but was to late because I already printed the label. We had a go around thru eBay messages. I was told when they get the game they will do a return. I informed the crook, you can try that, but, eBay has already sided with my on other exact circumstances.
It wasn't too late, you could have voided the label, canceled the transaction and recouped all fees. Not that you should bend over for buyers but it was possible and not "too late".
Two things come to mind. 1) Would you rather be right or happy? and 2) Pick your battles.
I had a buyer buy a $120 game last week, pay, then message me 8 hours later (after I printed a label) saying "my boyfriend got this for my birthday already, I need to return". I was annoyed, sent transaction cancellation, refunded them (you get ebay / Paypal fees back with a cancellation), voided label and added to blocked list. Relisted and it sold for $120 to someone else 2 days later.
Moral of the story, if you try to force a buyer to follow through on something they don't want, then you are going to have a ton of headaches. I also wouldn't place my money in the hands of an eBay dispute willingly, but if you have the time / desire to argue with idiotic buyers then so be it. I learned long ago to pick my battles and a minor annoyance (with no money lost) is way better than stress haggling with ebay and possibly losing money.
The buyer was wrong to damage the game in an attempt to get a return.
I sold this game as a 2nd chance offer.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262992618953?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:I...
The person wanted to cancel the auction but was to late because I already printed the label. We had a go around thru eBay messages. I was told when they get the game they will do a return. I informed the crook, you can try that, but, eBay has already sided with my on other exact circumstances.
It wasn't too late, you could have voided the label, canceled the transaction and recouped all fees. Not that you should bend over for buyers but it was possible and not "too late".
Two things come to mind. 1) Would you rather be right or happy? and 2) Pick your battles.
I had a buyer buy a $120 game last week, pay, then message me 8 hours later (after I printed a label) saying "my boyfriend got this for my birthday already, I need to return". I was annoyed, sent transaction cancellation, refunded them (you get ebay / Paypal fees back with a cancellation), voided label and added to blocked list. Relisted and it sold for $120 to someone else 2 days later.
Moral of the story, if you try to force a buyer to follow through on something they don't want, then you are going to have a ton of headaches. I also wouldn't place my money in the hands of an eBay dispute willingly, but if you have the time / desire to argue with idiotic buyers then so be it. I learned long ago to pick my battles and a minor annoyance (with no money lost) is way better than stress haggling with ebay and possibly losing money.
I didn't force anyone to click on bid or buy. If they are that stupid to buy or bid on something without knowing exactly what they are buying/bidding on, they deserve a lesson!
I bet most of these "people" look at a toilet paper package before putting it in their cart. They should read what they're buying on eBay too.
I received my only neg from some asshole after I cancelled an auction for them. I won't cancel again, if I'm getting a neg, I'm getting paid for it......damn it.
So what, that person wanted to cancel and I said, "it must be confusing when it says 1 game in the title and it says, this is for 1 game and not the case in the description." He called me a smartass and I replied, "I'd rather be a smart one instead of a dumb one." I'm not a store, I'm selling for 1 reason only....
Only other advice I have is to save all of your chat transcripts/communication with Ebay staff. I've seen plenty of situations where it was a landslide one way, and then the case itself landed on one inept person that will just tell you to file an insurance claim without reviewing anything.
What helped you is that this guy was particularly idiot. Take this same scenario with a guy that knows better and played it smooth, you might be stuck with a forced return and losing your time (and maybe shipping money).
I am in the minority, sometimes I think these folks just need someone to sit them down and give them a reality check. Then how he acted in an attempt to force a return, quite childish, he needs to grow up.
This guy is a stupid crook and I'm glad that you won and gave him a lesson, but I will still insist on placing myself in the 'you should have just cancel the transaction (and void the label)' clan.
What helped you is that this guy was particularly idiot. Take this same scenario with a guy that knows better and played it smooth, you might be stuck with a forced return and losing your time (and maybe shipping money).
I didn't win anything yet, they haven't filed a claim and they can't until 5/25. The ebay rep I talked to read all our communications and looked at the crooks pics and mine.
She told me that when a claim is filed, to call ebay back and inform this rep to look at the note she left in the file. She made her decision.
Luckily, I'm not you. I've helped many over the years when I didn't need the money. I need the money now and I'm not letting pieces of shit like that get away with anything.