You state a lot of the "goodwill toward man" items that you (and some others, but not all) see as requirements in life (padded savings account, emergency fund, etc.) as fact.
The necessity of a decent emergency fund (or funcitonal equivalent, via savings/investments/etc) IS a fact.
I like how you ignore basic economics (and gynecology from other threads you've posted in lately).
And why wouldn't you avoid something that isn't fun any more? I see that mindset a lot more than I thought I would about people longing for the "good old days". NES is hot. So be on the fun side (selling) of it, or diversify? There are lots of different ways to adapt to change rather than the way you're going about it.
I was going to add "stinkin' Millennials" at the end, but I know several other people your age (well, physical age anyway) that don't act like you.
Holy shit are you passive aggressive today. Dragging other threads where I've posted into this, implying I am not acting my age, on top of skirting my original point.
Explain again how NintendoAge is a happy community.
I'm going to share some brief thoughts for now because I could write a gigantic post about this (I may later we'll see haha):
* Pro-collector does not mean anti-gamer
* Don't judge the whole community for specific actions or comments
* I think overall this is a great place - but we can always do better and we can always improve.
There are some ridiculous haters with unfounded resentment out there - I'm going to ignore that.
In terms of legitimate comments - let's just focus on these and the ways we can improve. Acknowledging areas where we sometimes fall short is not a sign of weakness but actually a sign that we care and take pride in our community. There is nothing wrong with admitting we aren't perfect. And none of us are.
I like how you ignore basic economics (and gynecology from other threads you've posted in lately).
And why wouldn't you avoid something that isn't fun any more? I see that mindset a lot more than I thought I would about people longing for the "good old days". NES is hot. So be on the fun side (selling) of it, or diversify? There are lots of different ways to adapt to change rather than the way you're going about it.
I was going to add "stinkin' Millennials" at the end, but I know several other people your age (well, physical age anyway) that don't act like you.
Holy shit are you passive aggressive today. Dragging other threads where I've posted into this, implying I am not acting my age, on top of skirting my original point.
Explain again how NintendoAge is a happy community.
Nothing passive about it.
And collectors didn't ruin NeoGeo, pirates did.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
For the record, I don't hate NA. What I dislike is what's happening to the hobby. Certain individuals here may condone or actively participate in what's happening to the hobby, some don't, I'm not at liberty to say.
Even though the modding staff love to remind us how the words of individuals don't speak for the entire forum, I'd like to point out that most of the active users here are full on collectors, therefore their collective opinions do actually account for most of the forum as a whole. I'm talking a more than 50% margin.
I'm going to share some brief thoughts for now because I could write a gigantic post about this (I may later we'll see haha):
* Pro-collector does not mean anti-gamer
* Don't judge the whole community for specific actions or comments
* I think overall this is a great place - but we can always do better and we can always improve.
There are some ridiculous haters with unfounded resentment out there - I'm going to ignore that.
In terms of legitimate comments - let's just focus on these and the ways we can improve. Acknowledging areas where we sometimes fall short is not a sign of weakness but actually a sign that we care and take pride in our community. There is nothing wrong with admitting we aren't perfect. And none of us are.
You are the most level headed person on this site. I really enjoy your posts.
For the record, I don't hate NA. What I dislike is what's happening to the hobby. Certain individuals here may condone or actively participate in what's happening to the hobby, some don't, I'm not at liberty to say.
Even though the modding staff love to remind us how the words of individuals don't speak for the entire forum, I'd like to point out that most of the active users here are full on collectors, therefore their collective opinions do actually account for most of the forum as a whole. I'm talking a more than 50% margin.
Much better reply.
As for your second paragraph, how full on though? I'm sure that there are a majority of collectors, but I'm not sure if we'd eclipse 50% on peeps going for a complete NES set or something of the like.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters. Why would a bootlegger make a fake of a game that isn't worth a ton of money? Collectors define what's expensive and what's not.
In most other threads, people talk about how much they enjoy the high prices, how well their complete set collection is going and other collecting-related things. Explain again how these things aren't negatively impacting the hobby we all enjoy.
I don't see how I'm any less entitled to an opinion than others here, just because I'm not for the status-quo.
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
Much better reply.
As for your second paragraph, how full on though? I'm sure that there are a majority of collectors, but I'm not sure if we'd eclipse 50% on peeps going for a complete NES set or something of the like.
Thank you.
By full on I mean they are more collector than gamer. Quite a few collectors on here have said they collect more than they game. Hell, go in Help Wanted and check the Virtual Boy thread, a few people there own VBs but can't play them due to headaches/dizziness/other health issues. NintendoAge is primarily populated by collectors.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
You prefer to be a straight up dick to me instead of just implying it?
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters.
In most other threads, people talk about how much they enjoy the high prices, how well their complete set collection is going and other collecting-related things. Explain again how these things aren't negatively impacting the hobby we all enjoy.
I don't see how I'm any less entitled to an opinion than others here, just because I'm not for the status-quo.
1. Yes. I'm a pretty straight-forward guy.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
Wheres all the usual members that spend a ton of time here yet pile on about how much we suck to other game forums?
We see you
Yeah, where's Guntz and pegboy?
I'm buying you Lasik for Christmas mang.
As for pegboy, I don't see him as anti-NA. He just has some very (overly?) strong feelings on several collecting subjects and I personally think he's been doing a better job of being less blunt as we've asked.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
That's just how things go sometimes. Collecting can be a game of patience or peril.
Although fun fact for you- at the last video game show, I sold the least loose NES games that I ever have. (And I had a decent variety and fair prices.) We're at the point where the paper items are the movers.
So if you're into loose, there's a slight beacon of hope for you?
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
I just can't even
If 50,000 people collect NES, and 20,000 of them want Little Samson, then the 3,000 copies floating around in circulation are going to command what the top 10% are willing to pay. Supply, demand, yada yada yada
This hobby isn't even that expensive. Most of us have thousands of items. Probably at a fraction of the cost at the stuff Bronty deals with. How many games command prices that are too high for most collectors? 1% of what's released? .5%? Less?
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters. Why would a bootlegger make a fake of a game that isn't worth a ton of money? Collectors define what's expensive and what's not.
I disagree with the part in bold, at least, specifically how it is written. (i.e. collectors only)
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
Tell me, would you pay $2000 for an authentic Twinkle Star Sprites (Japanese AES)? If it's even authentic, if someone was willing to sell it for $2000. Or an authentic English Art of Fighting 3 AES for $1000? If one even comes up for sale.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
Sure, making a profit makes collecting an easy hobby, but it ends up hurting the hobby when it drives prices up so high it encourages fakes to be made.
And yes, exact fakes are now ruining the NES and SNES, much the way it ruined Neo Geo AES 10 years ago. If you want to see what NES and SNES may end up like in the future, look at what Neo Geo AES collecting has become today.
If the game is only available for a certain price, that is the market price.
If a collector wants a game now rather than waiting for one to come up cheaper, that is the market price.
If more new collectors come in and want games in their collection, increasing demand, then that is the market price.
Any collecting hobby that has a rarity factor is going to end up like that. It isn't unique to video games (and I would argue video games are FAR from the most expensive example.)
This thread is exhausing; this forum is exhausting sometimes. I've said what I have to say on other threads lately so I will just say this, mainly in regards to the comments of there being collectors on this site.
This site has always, from the very beginning, been a collecting site not a gaming site. It was founded by someone I'd call a collector and the early adopters of the site were all collectors.
Why anyone who is actually a 'gamer' would want to be here instead of a place that is more about actual gaming (gamefaqs walkthroughs and such) is a complete mystery to me. Again, I think there is some confusion there in terms of how people see themselves.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Beyond that, as was said elsewhere the misapplication of basic economics is both troublesome and tiring. Prices aren't "fair". Your house doesn't cost what you can or can't afford. They simply represent the equilibrium point between what a market of buyers and sellers are willing to pay as buyers, and accept as sellers. Why can't that be understood? Prices are like a desk or a chair. They have no emotion. They simply are. Getting mad about prices is like getting mad that water is wet. They are what they are, they can't help being what they are, and they are completely resistant to any impassioned pleas to the contrary.
As a result, talking about 'whose fault' prices are and shit like that is monumentally stupid. It is like us sitting in a room and trying to decide whose fault it is that trees have leaves.
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
Efforts can be made to help prevent games from going higher in price. Maybe not so easily with a gigantic collecting scene like with NES and SNES (those systems sold very well), but it's definitely possible with niche platforms like TG16 and NG AES. At both pcenginefx.com and neo-geo.com, there's still an effort going on to help keep collecting fun by keeping prices below eBay levels and restricting the riff raff from taking games away from the community. There's a reason noobs are so despised at neo-geo.com, they show up for the marketplace, buy cheap AES games, never contribute in any way and never come back again.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
The info is out there now for the newer collector, thanks to you guys that discovered it.
Originally posted by: Bronty
It is like us sitting in a room and trying to decide whose fault it is that trees have leaves.
Yours. You even have a flag with a leaf on it and a hockey team named after them!!!!!!!
Efforts can be made to help prevent games from going higher in price. Maybe not so easily with a gigantic collecting scene like with NES and SNES (those systems sold very well), but it's definitely possible with niche platforms like TG16 and NG AES. At both pcenginefx.com and neo-geo.com, there's still an effort going on to help keep collecting fun by keeping prices below eBay levels and restricting the riff raff from taking games away from the community. There's a reason noobs are so despised at neo-geo.com, they show up for the marketplace, buy cheap AES games, never contribute in any way and never come back again.
That's the most elitist thing I've ever heard. Honestly, not snarkily. "Taking games away from the community?"
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
The info is out there now for the newer collector, thanks to you guys that discovered it.
I just think there is lots more out there to find if one is passionate about some aspect of collecting. For me that's been artists and I've been slowly sharing more of that info, but I'm sure there's a million things one could look into to broaden the collective understanding if they just get up and do it.
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You state a lot of the "goodwill toward man" items that you (and some others, but not all) see as requirements in life (padded savings account, emergency fund, etc.) as fact.
The necessity of a decent emergency fund (or funcitonal equivalent, via savings/investments/etc) IS a fact.
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
I like how you ignore basic economics (and gynecology from other threads you've posted in lately).
And why wouldn't you avoid something that isn't fun any more? I see that mindset a lot more than I thought I would about people longing for the "good old days". NES is hot. So be on the fun side (selling) of it, or diversify? There are lots of different ways to adapt to change rather than the way you're going about it.
I was going to add "stinkin' Millennials" at the end, but I know several other people your age (well, physical age anyway) that don't act like you.
Holy shit are you passive aggressive today. Dragging other threads where I've posted into this, implying I am not acting my age, on top of skirting my original point.
Explain again how NintendoAge is a happy community.
* Pro-collector does not mean anti-gamer
* Don't judge the whole community for specific actions or comments
* I think overall this is a great place - but we can always do better and we can always improve.
There are some ridiculous haters with unfounded resentment out there - I'm going to ignore that.
In terms of legitimate comments - let's just focus on these and the ways we can improve. Acknowledging areas where we sometimes fall short is not a sign of weakness but actually a sign that we care and take pride in our community. There is nothing wrong with admitting we aren't perfect. And none of us are.
I like how you ignore basic economics (and gynecology from other threads you've posted in lately).
And why wouldn't you avoid something that isn't fun any more? I see that mindset a lot more than I thought I would about people longing for the "good old days". NES is hot. So be on the fun side (selling) of it, or diversify? There are lots of different ways to adapt to change rather than the way you're going about it.
I was going to add "stinkin' Millennials" at the end, but I know several other people your age (well, physical age anyway) that don't act like you.
Holy shit are you passive aggressive today. Dragging other threads where I've posted into this, implying I am not acting my age, on top of skirting my original point.
Explain again how NintendoAge is a happy community.
Nothing passive about it.
And collectors didn't ruin NeoGeo, pirates did.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
Even though the modding staff love to remind us how the words of individuals don't speak for the entire forum, I'd like to point out that most of the active users here are full on collectors, therefore their collective opinions do actually account for most of the forum as a whole. I'm talking a more than 50% margin.
I'm going to share some brief thoughts for now because I could write a gigantic post about this (I may later we'll see haha):
* Pro-collector does not mean anti-gamer
* Don't judge the whole community for specific actions or comments
* I think overall this is a great place - but we can always do better and we can always improve.
There are some ridiculous haters with unfounded resentment out there - I'm going to ignore that.
In terms of legitimate comments - let's just focus on these and the ways we can improve. Acknowledging areas where we sometimes fall short is not a sign of weakness but actually a sign that we care and take pride in our community. There is nothing wrong with admitting we aren't perfect. And none of us are.
You are the most level headed person on this site. I really enjoy your posts.
The emergency-fund-as-a-necessity-is-fact
For the record, I don't hate NA. What I dislike is what's happening to the hobby. Certain individuals here may condone or actively participate in what's happening to the hobby, some don't, I'm not at liberty to say.
Even though the modding staff love to remind us how the words of individuals don't speak for the entire forum, I'd like to point out that most of the active users here are full on collectors, therefore their collective opinions do actually account for most of the forum as a whole. I'm talking a more than 50% margin.
Much better reply.
As for your second paragraph, how full on though? I'm sure that there are a majority of collectors, but I'm not sure if we'd eclipse 50% on peeps going for a complete NES set or something of the like.
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
Nothing passive about it.
And collectors didn't ruin NeoGeo, pirates did.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters. Why would a bootlegger make a fake of a game that isn't worth a ton of money? Collectors define what's expensive and what's not.
In most other threads, people talk about how much they enjoy the high prices, how well their complete set collection is going and other collecting-related things. Explain again how these things aren't negatively impacting the hobby we all enjoy.
I don't see how I'm any less entitled to an opinion than others here, just because I'm not for the status-quo.
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
Much better reply.
As for your second paragraph, how full on though? I'm sure that there are a majority of collectors, but I'm not sure if we'd eclipse 50% on peeps going for a complete NES set or something of the like.
Thank you.
By full on I mean they are more collector than gamer. Quite a few collectors on here have said they collect more than they game. Hell, go in Help Wanted and check the Virtual Boy thread, a few people there own VBs but can't play them due to headaches/dizziness/other health issues. NintendoAge is primarily populated by collectors.
Nothing passive about it.
And collectors didn't ruin NeoGeo, pirates did.
In most other threads, this is a perfectly happy place. When you get into a thread where this place needs to defend itself, I'm not going to throw a fucking puppy at you.
You prefer to be a straight up dick to me instead of just implying it?
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters.
In most other threads, people talk about how much they enjoy the high prices, how well their complete set collection is going and other collecting-related things. Explain again how these things aren't negatively impacting the hobby we all enjoy.
I don't see how I'm any less entitled to an opinion than others here, just because I'm not for the status-quo.
1. Yes. I'm a pretty straight-forward guy.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Wheres all the usual members that spend a ton of time here yet pile on about how much we suck to other game forums?
We see you
Yeah, where's Guntz and pegboy?
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
1. Yes. I'm a pretty straight-forward guy.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
Wheres all the usual members that spend a ton of time here yet pile on about how much we suck to other game forums?
We see you
Yeah, where's Guntz and pegboy?
I'm buying you Lasik for Christmas mang.
As for pegboy, I don't see him as anti-NA. He just has some very (overly?) strong feelings on several collecting subjects and I personally think he's been doing a better job of being less blunt as we've asked.
Haha lasik it is! My bad *cough*warmonger*cough*
1. Yes. I'm a pretty straight-forward guy.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
That's just how things go sometimes. Collecting can be a game of patience or peril.
Although fun fact for you- at the last video game show, I sold the least loose NES games that I ever have. (And I had a decent variety and fair prices.) We're at the point where the paper items are the movers.
So if you're into loose, there's a slight beacon of hope for you?
1. Yes. I'm a pretty straight-forward guy.
2. That's a circular argument. Counterfeiters are going to latch onto any hobby where there's easy money whether it's video games, Coach purses, etc.
3. "Most" is a bit of a stretch. Other than the first item, I fail to see how speaking of their collection and collecting related things is having a negative impact. Other side of your coin is look how much stuff got saved from the trash because of general public awareness.
4. Your opinion is fine, your hyperbole is not.
Video games didn't used to be easy money, back before they became hip to collect.
I appreciate the level headed reply though.
He's already here. He's mad that collectors have affected the prices of the video game collecting hobby
I'm not mad about it, I am trying to provide some perspective. You know who collectors are really, truly hurting by driving prices up? Collectors. You are hurting yourselves. Gamers have a way out (flash carts, emulators, etc), collectors don't.
I just can't even
If 50,000 people collect NES, and 20,000 of them want Little Samson, then the 3,000 copies floating around in circulation are going to command what the top 10% are willing to pay. Supply, demand, yada yada yada
This hobby isn't even that expensive. Most of us have thousands of items. Probably at a fraction of the cost at the stuff Bronty deals with. How many games command prices that are too high for most collectors? 1% of what's released? .5%? Less?
And collectors didn't ruin NeoGeo, pirates did.
Pirates didn't have a reason to ruin the Neo Geo until collectors gave them the means to do so, if by pirates you mean bootleggers/counterfeiters. Why would a bootlegger make a fake of a game that isn't worth a ton of money? Collectors define what's expensive and what's not.
I disagree with the part in bold, at least, specifically how it is written. (i.e. collectors only)
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
Originally posted by: Guntz
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
Sure, making a profit makes collecting an easy hobby, but it ends up hurting the hobby when it drives prices up so high it encourages fakes to be made.
And yes, exact fakes are now ruining the NES and SNES, much the way it ruined Neo Geo AES 10 years ago. If you want to see what NES and SNES may end up like in the future, look at what Neo Geo AES collecting has become today.
If a collector wants a game now rather than waiting for one to come up cheaper, that is the market price.
If more new collectors come in and want games in their collection, increasing demand, then that is the market price.
Any collecting hobby that has a rarity factor is going to end up like that. It isn't unique to video games (and I would argue video games are FAR from the most expensive example.)
This site has always, from the very beginning, been a collecting site not a gaming site. It was founded by someone I'd call a collector and the early adopters of the site were all collectors.
Why anyone who is actually a 'gamer' would want to be here instead of a place that is more about actual gaming (gamefaqs walkthroughs and such) is a complete mystery to me. Again, I think there is some confusion there in terms of how people see themselves.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Beyond that, as was said elsewhere the misapplication of basic economics is both troublesome and tiring. Prices aren't "fair". Your house doesn't cost what you can or can't afford. They simply represent the equilibrium point between what a market of buyers and sellers are willing to pay as buyers, and accept as sellers. Why can't that be understood? Prices are like a desk or a chair. They have no emotion. They simply are. Getting mad about prices is like getting mad that water is wet. They are what they are, they can't help being what they are, and they are completely resistant to any impassioned pleas to the contrary.
As a result, talking about 'whose fault' prices are and shit like that is monumentally stupid. It is like us sitting in a room and trying to decide whose fault it is that trees have leaves.
Old man rant over.
We're at the point where the paper items are the movers.
Yep. Right when I decided to start grabbing them
*getting Bronty a shawl so he can sit on the porch*
thanks!! ahhh..
I haven't kept up with Neo Geo, though, so previously I would have assumed that any bootlegs in that hobby were targeted at gamers that wanted a cheaper solution.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
The info is out there now for the newer collector, thanks to you guys that discovered it.
It is like us sitting in a room and trying to decide whose fault it is that trees have leaves.
Yours. You even have a flag with a leaf on it and a hockey team named after them!!!!!!!
Efforts can be made to help prevent games from going higher in price. Maybe not so easily with a gigantic collecting scene like with NES and SNES (those systems sold very well), but it's definitely possible with niche platforms like TG16 and NG AES. At both pcenginefx.com and neo-geo.com, there's still an effort going on to help keep collecting fun by keeping prices below eBay levels and restricting the riff raff from taking games away from the community. There's a reason noobs are so despised at neo-geo.com, they show up for the marketplace, buy cheap AES games, never contribute in any way and never come back again.
That's the most elitist thing I've ever heard. Honestly, not snarkily. "Taking games away from the community?"
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
The info is out there now for the newer collector, thanks to you guys that discovered it.
I just think there is lots more out there to find if one is passionate about some aspect of collecting. For me that's been artists and I've been slowly sharing more of that info, but I'm sure there's a million things one could look into to broaden the collective understanding if they just get up and do it.