Efforts can be made to help prevent games from going higher in price. Maybe not so easily with a gigantic collecting scene like with NES and SNES (those systems sold very well), but it's definitely possible with niche platforms like TG16 and NG AES.
Then what are we even talking about.
And a joint effort to keep people out of something and keep it between bros seems like a quick way to make everyone hate you. So we're damned if we leave the doors open and damned if we close them.
Yes you can, thats what other forums do. They are outright hostile towardd new members and are openly ridiculed, and even banned to a certain forum if a new member even attempts to buy or sell.
The only way you can control a small section of game prices is to ban people (except more established members) from using a marketplace, and that isn't what this place is about. Thats why everyone is welcome here.
Tell me, would you pay $2000 for an authentic Twinkle Star Sprites (Japanese AES)? If it's even authentic, if someone was willing to sell it for $2000. Or an authentic English Art of Fighting 3 AES for $1000? If one even comes up for sale.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
I don't know Neo Geo prices, so I don't know if those represent good or bad prices.
But what I DO know is that "the market" (both buyers and sellers) dictates the pricing, in terms of how many items are available and what the top "bidders" are willing to pay.
There is a fallacy (whose name escapes me) related directly to what you're saying, though.
One thing I will say to Bronty as I identify more as a game player rather than a game collector, I come to NA because I do enjoy the discussions. Some of those threads that you mention where you learned new things or how new items were identified, I can enjoy that as well without actively trying to compete with the people that want to own those items. There is still gaming discussion here as well which I like to participate in. One thing I've talked about to a few members since my increased Atari activity is that I choose this place over AtariAge because I like the layout of the boards and the people I have exchanges with. That's not a knock on AtariAge or the members there, I just happen to enjoy it here and I like the community in general. Even with the stuff I don't involve myself in, it's interesting reading other discussions. Your lengthy posts about art and trades (along with Buyatari) are very interesting to me. I know nothing about that world but it's cool to read about someone else's experience and what they get out of it.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
That's not quite what I'm talking about as rarity estimates don't have an objective, verifiable answer, but I totally support and appreciate all of the efforts made in that regard. Good on you for helping
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
DS may be too new for good data unless you start with the higher rarity stuff.
Tell me, would you pay $2000 for an authentic Twinkle Star Sprites (Japanese AES)? If it's even authentic, if someone was willing to sell it for $2000. Or an authentic English Art of Fighting 3 AES for $1000? If one even comes up for sale.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
There is a fallacy (whose name escapes me) related directly to what you're saying, though.
What are the "actual facts", and would be a reason for this "clowning"? Really... what good reasons do they have?
ps. using the term "collectard" is rude and offensive. And not because it's a reference to collectors. The term "retard" is offensive and really outdated. It shows your ignorance and negatively impacts your credibility.
Don't confuse the poor boy. All he knows how to do is rant the word 'Collectard' over and over. He spends more time on forums ranting about the 'evil collectards' than he does playing games. If you google collectard, you get heeps and heeps of this moron posting his bullshit on every single video game forum. He 'collectards' forum accounts to spew his 'actual facts' aka stupidity.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
It this stuff that I like. For me, more info and data, and less 'look what I got'.
One thing I will say to Bronty as I identify more as a game player rather than a game collector, I come to NA because I do enjoy the discussions. Some of those threads that you mention where you learned new things or how new items were identified, I can enjoy that as well without actively trying to compete with the people that want to own those items. There is still gaming discussion here as well which I like to participate in. One thing I've talked about to a few members since my increased Atari activity is that I choose this place over AtariAge because I like the layout of the boards and the people I have exchanges with. That's not a knock on AtariAge or the members there, I just happen to enjoy it here and I like the community in general. Even with the stuff I don't involve myself in, it's interesting reading other discussions. Your lengthy posts about art and trades (along with Buyatari) are very interesting to me. I know nothing about that world but it's cool to read about someone else's experience and what they get out of it.
Totally fair and it's great that you do enjoy the other discussions. there must be a lot like you here these days because the pendulum seems to have shifted a little your way in recent discussions. Let's understand though that's it's always primarily been a collecting site - one where anyone is welcome, but a collecting site nontheless
It is closely related to the fallacy of compostion. (If an attribute applies to some of a group it applies to all of that group.)
I am willing to pay X for something so likely everyone else is also. Which almost invariably leads to speculation as most people are going to assume that there are more of themselves out there (no one wants to admit they may be an odd duck) and that as a corollary there are fewer desirable objects out there than there are potential members of their (largely to an extent) self defined group. (A notable demonstration of this IMHO is when a hitherto little known (and not terribly valuable) game acquires a mystique and almost overnight esclates in value. ("It seems like I should really want that so everyone else will also.")
While it may seem somewhat overpowering in terms of what happens in game collecting it is actually pretty small potatos compared to the many major economic bubbles in history. My favorite example is the Dutch "Tulip Mania" in the 1600s. Pretty much destroyed their economy for awhile. Another more recent one that has always baffled me was beanie babies - wherein the perceived value was actually in the little certificates of authenticity rather than the animals themselves. Go figure.
I think it's implicit that neither of us were talking about bubbles, are are referring to a "properly functioning" marketplace.
Some people need to remember we're talking about dudes collecting video games and discussing it on the internet.
Major chill pill needed by many here and elsewhere.
Please be more specific about "here" and "elsewhere" do you mean just the places people visit or the places on those people? nah mean?
I was saying some members of this site need to take a chill pill. They get very worked up about video games.
I was also saying that the people who bad mouth NA anywhere (YouTube, Twitter, other forums, whatever) need to take a chill pill and realize they are putting too much effort into something that simply doesn't matter. Let us be snobs or whatever you think we are.
If you are a banned member who is looking to "tear down NA" or something, just don't. Take a chill pill and realize that this hobby is not all that important. If I was banned today, I could continue collecting and gaming and whatever. I wouldn't see a need to spew NA hate every chance I got.
I also need to take a chill pill. I might care too much about how people perceive NA. I try to not pay attention, but when I do see something it does irk me.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
DS may be too new for good data unless you start with the higher rarity stuff.
Meh, just consider the source when you hear that stuff. A lot of it stems from butthurt that they don't have the awesome stuff some of the peeps here have.
imo. members with this type of mentality is part of the reason na gets a bad rap. it kind of comes off like ypu have your nose in the air.
There's a huge difference between somebody being green with jealousy about what others have vs. looking down on somebody that doesn't have that stuff.
I personally don't care what somebody has, but I do find the larger, more organized game rooms to be works of art.
I think jealousy is a small part of it. Interms of youtube and facebook there is a good amount of control given to the users. The can block other users and delete comments, something that not everyone can do on NA. So when many folks from other corners of the web come here who are not asopen to others oppinions that they dont agree with they getupset. And the simplest way to deal with that is to complain in an eviroment where they feel they have some control.
I don't get it, who the fuck cares about who has this many copies of this or that?! I joined this place for camaraderie on Nintendo stuff and trying to trade and collect as I go along and make new friends. I don't give a damn if this person has 90 copies of a sealed stadium events or shelf collects 14 CIB little Samsons. That's their prerogative, and their money. Where the fuck is all this hate coming from. Sounds to me like a bunch of whiney kid shit "they got all this and I don't." Fuck all that noise..... I spoke my peace and I'm done with it.
It is closely related to the fallacy of compostion. (If an attribute applies to some of a group it applies to all of that group.)
I am willing to pay X for something so likely everyone else is also. Which almost invariably leads to speculation as most people are going to assume that there are more of themselves out there (no one wants to admit they may be an odd duck) and that as a corollary there are fewer desirable objects out there than there are potential members of their (largely to an extent) self defined group. (A notable demonstration of this IMHO is when a hitherto little known (and not terribly valuable) game acquires a mystique and almost overnight esclates in value. ("It seems like I should really want that so everyone else will also.")
While it may seem somewhat overpowering in terms of what happens in game collecting it is actually pretty small potatos compared to the many major economic bubbles in history. My favorite example is the Dutch "Tulip Mania" in the 1600s. Pretty much destroyed their economy for awhile. Another more recent one that has always baffled me was beanie babies - wherein the perceived value was actually in the little certificates of authenticity rather than the animals themselves. Go figure.
I think it's implicit that neither of us were talking about bubbles, are are referring to a "properly functioning" marketplace.
Didn't say you were. I do believe bubbles are somewhat related though as they share some common traits so I thought it worth mentioning them. (And bubbles generally start with something that up until a certain point in time was properly functioning in its milieu.) And collectibles of most sorts can't/don't have (by their nature) enough economic impact to be considered a genuine bubble. (Tulip Mania was somewhat unique in bubbles since the bulbs were treated as collectibles (although oddly enough not only replenishable but capable of having the supply expanded rather dramatically).
Meh, just consider the source when you hear that stuff. A lot of it stems from butthurt that they don't have the awesome stuff some of the peeps here have.
imo. members with this type of mentality is part of the reason na gets a bad rap. it kind of comes off like ypu have your nose in the air.
There's a huge difference between somebody being green with jealousy about what others have vs. looking down on somebody that doesn't have that stuff.
I personally don't care what somebody has, but I do find the larger, more organized game rooms to be works of art.
I think jealousy is a small part of it. Interms of youtube and facebook there is a good amount of control given to the users. The can block other users and delete comments, something that not everyone can do on NA. So when many folks from other corners of the web come here who are not asopen to others oppinions that they dont agree with they getupset. And the simplest way to deal with that is to complain in an eviroment where they feel they have some control.
Speaking of, wasn't there an option on NA where you could just ignore users and their posts didn't come up? I believe I've seen that mentioned before.
Here's the list of complaints I see about NintendoAge. I don't agree with them, but here they are for posterity.
1. "They pay too much for Homebrew exclusives." I see this as a good thing. People buying limited editions of homebrews help support the homebrewers. Homebrew games come as a result of passion, and will never make the $$ back equivalent to the effort put in. So if a fancy package with some silly extras gets that homebrewer a little extra cash, that is awesome. It supports and encourages future homebrews.
2. "They worship VGA-graded games." VGA games are always going to be a point of contention. NA in general shuts down anti-VGA threads, mostly because the argument is overdone. People who like VGA games are going to keep liking them, and those that hate them will keep hating them. Just because NA doesn't automatically let VGA-lovers get shouted down by the "games are meant to be played" crowd, they are part of the problem.
3. "They only care about collecting." This one has already been played out to death in this thread.
4. "They cause price spikes with their stupid collecting." I actually get this one, especially with more limited sized collections. At any point, someone can just go online and buy every single NES game, get bored, and flip the following week. That really won't hurt the game collecting market. However, with Turbografx and Neo Geo AES, this type of collecting can have a more direct impact, because you can't just go buy a Turbo CD fullset any day of the week. It might be months between some games getting listed, and even then, they can be listed for ridiculously high BINs. Now, if some insta-collector comes by and blows their cash on that absurdly high BIN, they essentially set the price of that game moving forward. This leads to some pretty high expectations on prices moving forward.
5. "Its all about money" Most forums outside of NA refuse to talk about the collectible games market, because they believe its some sort of fake system built by greedy resellers. NintendoAge peeps tend to accept how VG prices can behave just like stocks. Thus, you get topics on NA about the prices of games, that aren't just a whine fest about raising prices, and instead interesting analyses of where prices are headed. That makes us look like greedy capitalists.
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Efforts can be made to help prevent games from going higher in price. Maybe not so easily with a gigantic collecting scene like with NES and SNES (those systems sold very well), but it's definitely possible with niche platforms like TG16 and NG AES.
Then what are we even talking about.
And a joint effort to keep people out of something and keep it between bros seems like a quick way to make everyone hate you. So we're damned if we leave the doors open and damned if we close them.
Yours. You even have a flag with a leaf on it and a hockey team named after them!!!!!!!
Gah!!! you got me!
We're at the point where the paper items are the movers.
Yep. Right when I decided to start grabbing them
Did someone say paper??? Don't let my secret out, mang....
The only way you can control a small section of game prices is to ban people (except more established members) from using a marketplace, and that isn't what this place is about. Thats why everyone is welcome here.
Tell me, would you pay $2000 for an authentic Twinkle Star Sprites (Japanese AES)? If it's even authentic, if someone was willing to sell it for $2000. Or an authentic English Art of Fighting 3 AES for $1000? If one even comes up for sale.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
I don't know Neo Geo prices, so I don't know if those represent good or bad prices.
But what I DO know is that "the market" (both buyers and sellers) dictates the pricing, in terms of how many items are available and what the top "bidders" are willing to pay.
There is a fallacy (whose name escapes me) related directly to what you're saying, though.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
Some people need to remember we're talking about dudes collecting video games and discussing it on the internet.
Major chill pill needed by many here and elsewhere.
Please be more specific about "here" and "elsewhere" do you mean just the places people visit or the places on those people? nah mean?
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
DS may be too new for good data unless you start with the higher rarity stuff.
Tell me, would you pay $2000 for an authentic Twinkle Star Sprites (Japanese AES)? If it's even authentic, if someone was willing to sell it for $2000. Or an authentic English Art of Fighting 3 AES for $1000? If one even comes up for sale.
I do know how marketplaces work, but I also know how people work. A collector wants a game, maybe they want it so bad they don't care about paying above market value for it. Then a few months later the price goes higher than what they paid, then they list the game for sale even higher than that.
There is a fallacy (whose name escapes me) related directly to what you're saying, though.
What are the "actual facts", and would be a reason for this "clowning"? Really... what good reasons do they have?
ps. using the term "collectard" is rude and offensive. And not because it's a reference to collectors. The term "retard" is offensive and really outdated. It shows your ignorance and negatively impacts your credibility.
Don't confuse the poor boy. All he knows how to do is rant the word 'Collectard' over and over. He spends more time on forums ranting about the 'evil collectards' than he does playing games. If you google collectard, you get heeps and heeps of this moron posting his bullshit on every single video game forum. He 'collectards' forum accounts to spew his 'actual facts' aka stupidity.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
Originally posted by: Bronty
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
It this stuff that I like. For me, more info and data, and less 'look what I got'.
One thing I will say to Bronty as I identify more as a game player rather than a game collector, I come to NA because I do enjoy the discussions. Some of those threads that you mention where you learned new things or how new items were identified, I can enjoy that as well without actively trying to compete with the people that want to own those items. There is still gaming discussion here as well which I like to participate in. One thing I've talked about to a few members since my increased Atari activity is that I choose this place over AtariAge because I like the layout of the boards and the people I have exchanges with. That's not a knock on AtariAge or the members there, I just happen to enjoy it here and I like the community in general. Even with the stuff I don't involve myself in, it's interesting reading other discussions. Your lengthy posts about art and trades (along with Buyatari) are very interesting to me. I know nothing about that world but it's cool to read about someone else's experience and what they get out of it.
Totally fair and it's great that you do enjoy the other discussions. there must be a lot like you here these days because the pendulum seems to have shifted a little your way in recent discussions. Let's understand though that's it's always primarily been a collecting site - one where anyone is welcome, but a collecting site nontheless
It is closely related to the fallacy of compostion. (If an attribute applies to some of a group it applies to all of that group.)
I am willing to pay X for something so likely everyone else is also. Which almost invariably leads to speculation as most people are going to assume that there are more of themselves out there (no one wants to admit they may be an odd duck) and that as a corollary there are fewer desirable objects out there than there are potential members of their (largely to an extent) self defined group. (A notable demonstration of this IMHO is when a hitherto little known (and not terribly valuable) game acquires a mystique and almost overnight esclates in value. ("It seems like I should really want that so everyone else will also.")
While it may seem somewhat overpowering in terms of what happens in game collecting it is actually pretty small potatos compared to the many major economic bubbles in history. My favorite example is the Dutch "Tulip Mania" in the 1600s. Pretty much destroyed their economy for awhile. Another more recent one that has always baffled me was beanie babies - wherein the perceived value was actually in the little certificates of authenticity rather than the animals themselves. Go figure.
I think it's implicit that neither of us were talking about bubbles, are are referring to a "properly functioning" marketplace.
Some people need to remember we're talking about dudes collecting video games and discussing it on the internet.
Major chill pill needed by many here and elsewhere.
Please be more specific about "here" and "elsewhere" do you mean just the places people visit or the places on those people? nah mean?
I was saying some members of this site need to take a chill pill. They get very worked up about video games.
I was also saying that the people who bad mouth NA anywhere (YouTube, Twitter, other forums, whatever) need to take a chill pill and realize they are putting too much effort into something that simply doesn't matter. Let us be snobs or whatever you think we are.
If you are a banned member who is looking to "tear down NA" or something, just don't. Take a chill pill and realize that this hobby is not all that important. If I was banned today, I could continue collecting and gaming and whatever. I wouldn't see a need to spew NA hate every chance I got.
I also need to take a chill pill. I might care too much about how people perceive NA. I try to not pay attention, but when I do see something it does irk me.
I'm also going to go all old man since warmonger didn't, and just observe that (and this to broadly generalize, which may not be true of many users) , the more recent members tend to look at collecting in a bit more of a surface manner than some of the older guys. Perhaps its because they skew younger and therefore aren't as interested in some of the whys and wherefores, but some of my fondest memories of this place was when we embarked on threads that led to real learning, where we figured out what games came with hangtabs, or how this was sealed, or what variants of a certain title existed, etc. I don't see as much thirst for knowledge from the younger collector so far and that's kind of disappointing to me, but maybe its there and I just don't see it.
Last year a good number of members contributed towards the discussion about SNES rarity, which led to the revised numbers currently in place. Not that any of us were necessarily young or new to collecting, but the spirit is still alive. I wish someone would lead the charge on similar efforts for DS, Gamecube, etc. Perhaps I'll have the time or passion for it in several years.
DS may be too new for good data unless you start with the higher rarity stuff.
It's a start. Right now it is a blank page.
There's passion for video games. Looking into the history, documenting, discussing. All those are great.
It's the extracurricular BS drama that people take way too seriously.
Meh, just consider the source when you hear that stuff. A lot of it stems from butthurt that they don't have the awesome stuff some of the peeps here have.
imo. members with this type of mentality is part of the reason na gets a bad rap. it kind of comes off like ypu have your nose in the air.
There's a huge difference between somebody being green with jealousy about what others have vs. looking down on somebody that doesn't have that stuff.
I personally don't care what somebody has, but I do find the larger, more organized game rooms to be works of art.
I think jealousy is a small part of it. Interms of youtube and facebook there is a good amount of control given to the users. The can block other users and delete comments, something that not everyone can do on NA. So when many folks from other corners of the web come here who are not asopen to others oppinions that they dont agree with they getupset. And the simplest way to deal with that is to complain in an eviroment where they feel they have some control.
It is closely related to the fallacy of compostion. (If an attribute applies to some of a group it applies to all of that group.)
I am willing to pay X for something so likely everyone else is also. Which almost invariably leads to speculation as most people are going to assume that there are more of themselves out there (no one wants to admit they may be an odd duck) and that as a corollary there are fewer desirable objects out there than there are potential members of their (largely to an extent) self defined group. (A notable demonstration of this IMHO is when a hitherto little known (and not terribly valuable) game acquires a mystique and almost overnight esclates in value. ("It seems like I should really want that so everyone else will also.")
While it may seem somewhat overpowering in terms of what happens in game collecting it is actually pretty small potatos compared to the many major economic bubbles in history. My favorite example is the Dutch "Tulip Mania" in the 1600s. Pretty much destroyed their economy for awhile. Another more recent one that has always baffled me was beanie babies - wherein the perceived value was actually in the little certificates of authenticity rather than the animals themselves. Go figure.
I think it's implicit that neither of us were talking about bubbles, are are referring to a "properly functioning" marketplace.
Didn't say you were. I do believe bubbles are somewhat related though as they share some common traits so I thought it worth mentioning them. (And bubbles generally start with something that up until a certain point in time was properly functioning in its milieu.) And collectibles of most sorts can't/don't have (by their nature) enough economic impact to be considered a genuine bubble. (Tulip Mania was somewhat unique in bubbles since the bulbs were treated as collectibles (although oddly enough not only replenishable but capable of having the supply expanded rather dramatically).
Meh, just consider the source when you hear that stuff. A lot of it stems from butthurt that they don't have the awesome stuff some of the peeps here have.
imo. members with this type of mentality is part of the reason na gets a bad rap. it kind of comes off like ypu have your nose in the air.
There's a huge difference between somebody being green with jealousy about what others have vs. looking down on somebody that doesn't have that stuff.
I personally don't care what somebody has, but I do find the larger, more organized game rooms to be works of art.
I think jealousy is a small part of it. Interms of youtube and facebook there is a good amount of control given to the users. The can block other users and delete comments, something that not everyone can do on NA. So when many folks from other corners of the web come here who are not asopen to others oppinions that they dont agree with they getupset. And the simplest way to deal with that is to complain in an eviroment where they feel they have some control.
Speaking of, wasn't there an option on NA where you could just ignore users and their posts didn't come up? I believe I've seen that mentioned before.
1. "They pay too much for Homebrew exclusives." I see this as a good thing. People buying limited editions of homebrews help support the homebrewers. Homebrew games come as a result of passion, and will never make the $$ back equivalent to the effort put in. So if a fancy package with some silly extras gets that homebrewer a little extra cash, that is awesome. It supports and encourages future homebrews.
2. "They worship VGA-graded games." VGA games are always going to be a point of contention. NA in general shuts down anti-VGA threads, mostly because the argument is overdone. People who like VGA games are going to keep liking them, and those that hate them will keep hating them. Just because NA doesn't automatically let VGA-lovers get shouted down by the "games are meant to be played" crowd, they are part of the problem.
3. "They only care about collecting." This one has already been played out to death in this thread.
4. "They cause price spikes with their stupid collecting." I actually get this one, especially with more limited sized collections. At any point, someone can just go online and buy every single NES game, get bored, and flip the following week. That really won't hurt the game collecting market. However, with Turbografx and Neo Geo AES, this type of collecting can have a more direct impact, because you can't just go buy a Turbo CD fullset any day of the week. It might be months between some games getting listed, and even then, they can be listed for ridiculously high BINs. Now, if some insta-collector comes by and blows their cash on that absurdly high BIN, they essentially set the price of that game moving forward. This leads to some pretty high expectations on prices moving forward.
5. "Its all about money" Most forums outside of NA refuse to talk about the collectible games market, because they believe its some sort of fake system built by greedy resellers. NintendoAge peeps tend to accept how VG prices can behave just like stocks. Thus, you get topics on NA about the prices of games, that aren't just a whine fest about raising prices, and instead interesting analyses of where prices are headed. That makes us look like greedy capitalists.