Let us not be mistaken or fooled into thinking that such a monumental shift has occurred that has placed traditional majority groups into a state of true oppression.
No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
A lot of stuff depends on context, too. Take It's Always Sunny for example. They've done a lot of edgy stuff, including blackface, but you never hear calls for them to be pilloried since they do it well and they're not making fun of marginalized groups but rather The Gang themselves. Like, it's never about making fun of a group of people for being different, it's about making fun of the gang for being incredibly self-absorbed, terrible people.
JTG came up with that gimmick and pitched it to Vince McMahon. He talked about it on a podcast (not sure which one) at some point. I think it was Jericho's?
Ssssooooo, stereotypes, yes, but... the black guys came up with the whole gimmick.
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
Lol, speakin of which, they really go all out in the Mario & Luigi games with the italian stereotypes since they gave em the racist italian giberish voices with all the bobbity beebity boos, lol
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
I don't intend that statement to be a license for someone to say whatever they want without fear of any repercussions. That is not my intent. And absolutely, apply that across the board. All I mean is....and this we can apply to everyone in most circumstances, is before judging someone too harshly we should slow down for just a moment and remind ourselves that we don't really know them.
This doesn't apply to 'just one side,' it applies to all of us. It's not being anyone being special and deserving extra respect. It's a simple reminder, that's all.
Let us not be mistaken or fooled into thinking that such a monumental shift has occurred that has placed traditional majority groups into a state of true oppression.
No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. They want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
You know what - I really appreciate your comments. Thank you for sharing your perspective and I do actually understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. I didn't intend to derail this conversation and for that I apologize. Sometimes I probably get too defensive because I get emotional about these discussions, perhaps from my life experiences and the people I associate with.
Believe it or not , I actually refrain from sharing my thoughts on things way more than the times I do, because I try to articulate what I'm really feeling and sometimes it just comes across like I think I'm better than everyone and I hate for that to be the case because I genuinely don't feel that way.
I do appreciate and enjoy satire, and comedy, and I think the challenge is doing it tactfully and at the appropriate times and then sometimes not. And I feel like I'm in a weird place because like I said, I acknowledge that some people get ridiculous about saying everything is offensive to the point that it detracts from the more serious issues. But then I see things or experience things and realize that something I maybe thought was trivial and unimportant, was more impactful than I realized.
Maybe I have a chip on my shoulder and get a little bit defensive on topics like this because I've seen and experienced personally so many instances of true hate. And I know it doesn't always come from a hateful place.
Honestly - I really appreciate your comments and responding in such a thoughtful and respectful way.
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
A-freaking-men!
It's sad that many people let stuff bother them so much to the point to where it basically controls them.
And I actually agree with both sadikyo and cirellio. You guys both make fantastic points.
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
Lol, speakin of which, they really go all out in the Mario & Luigi games with the italian stereotypes since they gave em the racist italian giberish voices with all the bobbity beebity boos, lol
Cryme time took the cheque. No one forced them to do the gimmick.
I don't think anyone here has a problem with what they did. They are just saying that it might not pass as acceptable today. While they certainly accepted the gimmick back then (and got paid), they might think twice about doing it today. That almost begs another discussion. Would any of the people in these roles that might be considered controversial today, accept the role today?
Let us not be mistaken or fooled into thinking that such a monumental shift has occurred that has placed traditional majority groups into a state of true oppression.
No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
I think South Park has always gotten it correct. Everyone and everything is a candidate for satire including every race, religion, orientation, handicap, etc.
I follow a general guideline, anyone and everyone is fair game to make jokes about or bust balls on so long as it does not physically prevent them from conducting their lives. If you say something that just "offends" them, too bad, sticks and stones brother, laugh with it or ignore it, move on with your day. If you emotionally cannot go about your business then its you that have the issue that needs fixing not society
JTG came up with that gimmick and pitched it to Vince McMahon. He talked about it on a podcast (not sure which one) at some point. I think it was Jericho's?
Ssssooooo, stereotypes, yes, but... the black guys came up with the whole gimmick.
From an interview with wrestlinginc.com:
I recently spoke with former WWE star Jayson Anthony Paul, f.k.a. JTG, who was promoting his new book, Damn, Why Did I Write This Book?. During the interview - which was conducted before the Hulk Hogancontroversy and will be published here on Wrestling Inc. later this week - JTG discussed his time with WWE, having heat in the company, speaking out against WWE and getting punished, issues wrestlers have with Triple H and more. He also talked about getting the Cryme Tyme gimmick.
"Well, there's two aspects to the Cryme Tyme gimmick," JTG said. "There's the look of the characters. At first, I didn't want to do it. My original partner was Abraham Washington. He called me up when we were in amateur class in OVW. He said we had an amateur show coming up, and he said if we were trying to get signed we needed to come out with bulletproof vests, fitted hats, a whole bunch of chains. We should wrestle in jeans and Timberlands. I said absolutely not, it's too stereotypical, and I already bought tights and wrestling boots. He talked me in to it, and we did the amateur show. We blew the roof off at the amateur show."
So it sounds like he rolled with the gimmick, but it originated as his previous partner's idea that he wasn't crazy about. He goes onto say that the WWE just lacked the diversity in their creative staff to come up with the ideas to properly promote young African-American superstars to their audience at the time.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
What a great post, someone give this man a cookie.
Originally posted by: DarkTone
Cryme time took the cheque. No one forced them to do the gimmick.
I'm not portraying them as victims in this, they were beneficiaries if anything. I'm saying that today's society would be much quicker to make a picket sign and cry controversy over it (and they have, as this is an example I borrowed) than 10-ish years ago when it happened (and went largely unnoticed).
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
I don't intend that statement to be a license for someone to say whatever they want without fear of any repercussions. That is not my intent. And absolutely, apply that across the board. All I mean is....and this we can apply to everyone in most circumstances, is before judging someone too harshly we should slow down for just a moment and remind ourselves that we don't really know them.
This doesn't apply to 'just one side,' it applies to all of us. It's not being anyone being special and deserving extra respect. It's a simple reminder, that's all.
I know you meant good with what you were saying, but I see this phrase being used as a crutch to excuse someone of a poor performance at their job, or basically anything that their sensitive ears just don't want to hear.
Maybe the person who's acting hostile just got served divorce papers, lost their job, or had a loved one pass away - do those people think about the aggressors? Nope. Why? Because they're having a bad day and need to be coddled. That's what this phrase says. If you mean it the other way, just repeat the Golden Rule - treat others how you like to be treated, anything past that is just attention seeking IMO.
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
what's next Mario, skinning animals for their fur?
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No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
JTG came up with that gimmick and pitched it to Vince McMahon. He talked about it on a podcast (not sure which one) at some point. I think it was Jericho's?
Ssssooooo, stereotypes, yes, but... the black guys came up with the whole gimmick.
I thought this was gonna be about Mario Odyssey
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
I thought this was gonna be about Mario Odyssey
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
Lol, speakin of which, they really go all out in the Mario & Luigi games with the italian stereotypes since they gave em the racist italian giberish voices with all the bobbity beebity boos, lol
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
I don't intend that statement to be a license for someone to say whatever they want without fear of any repercussions. That is not my intent. And absolutely, apply that across the board. All I mean is....and this we can apply to everyone in most circumstances, is before judging someone too harshly we should slow down for just a moment and remind ourselves that we don't really know them.
This doesn't apply to 'just one side,' it applies to all of us. It's not being anyone being special and deserving extra respect. It's a simple reminder, that's all.
Let us not be mistaken or fooled into thinking that such a monumental shift has occurred that has placed traditional majority groups into a state of true oppression.
No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. They want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
You know what - I really appreciate your comments. Thank you for sharing your perspective and I do actually understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. I didn't intend to derail this conversation and for that I apologize. Sometimes I probably get too defensive because I get emotional about these discussions, perhaps from my life experiences and the people I associate with.
Believe it or not , I actually refrain from sharing my thoughts on things way more than the times I do, because I try to articulate what I'm really feeling and sometimes it just comes across like I think I'm better than everyone and I hate for that to be the case because I genuinely don't feel that way.
I do appreciate and enjoy satire, and comedy, and I think the challenge is doing it tactfully and at the appropriate times and then sometimes not. And I feel like I'm in a weird place because like I said, I acknowledge that some people get ridiculous about saying everything is offensive to the point that it detracts from the more serious issues. But then I see things or experience things and realize that something I maybe thought was trivial and unimportant, was more impactful than I realized.
Maybe I have a chip on my shoulder and get a little bit defensive on topics like this because I've seen and experienced personally so many instances of true hate. And I know it doesn't always come from a hateful place.
Honestly - I really appreciate your comments and responding in such a thoughtful and respectful way.
Fun Fact that most people probably already know. Scooter is his husband.
huh! Did not know that!
I thought this was gonna be about Mario Odyssey
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
A-freaking-men!
It's sad that many people let stuff bother them so much to the point to where it basically controls them.
And I actually agree with both sadikyo and cirellio. You guys both make fantastic points.
I thought this was gonna be about Mario Odyssey
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
Lol, speakin of which, they really go all out in the Mario & Luigi games with the italian stereotypes since they gave em the racist italian giberish voices with all the bobbity beebity boos, lol
^^^Exactly! XD
Family Guy does such a great job at
that kind of satire.
Cryme time took the cheque. No one forced them to do the gimmick.
I don't think anyone here has a problem with what they did. They are just saying that it might not pass as acceptable today. While they certainly accepted the gimmick back then (and got paid), they might think twice about doing it today. That almost begs another discussion. Would any of the people in these roles that might be considered controversial today, accept the role today?
Let us not be mistaken or fooled into thinking that such a monumental shift has occurred that has placed traditional majority groups into a state of true oppression.
No one is forcing people to stop being racist or offensive, it just may not be as socially acceptable as it once was. And I don't feel sorry for that. For every person who is upset and frustrated that they can no longer make an edgy joke without being criticized in some way, there is another person out there who is of a gender/sexuality/culture/race (who could be on the receiving end of said joke or comment) who is probably dealing with his or her own social pressures, longing for a type of social acceptance that isn't exactly easy. You can still make the joke if you want to. There just may be less people laughing now than in the past.
I can be mature and logical enough to acknowledge that some of the social sensitivity out there today seems a bit exaggerated or a bit over-the-top. But some of it I find not only completely reasonable, but encouraging.
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
It is hard for me to express my true thoughts on all of this, without coming across not as intended. I am not perfect at this, none of us is. I often look back at my own thoughts and comments and think about how I can do better.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
I think South Park has always gotten it correct. Everyone and everything is a candidate for satire including every race, religion, orientation, handicap, etc.
... Just a heads up Quaze.
JTG came up with that gimmick and pitched it to Vince McMahon. He talked about it on a podcast (not sure which one) at some point. I think it was Jericho's?
Ssssooooo, stereotypes, yes, but... the black guys came up with the whole gimmick.
From an interview with wrestlinginc.com:
I recently spoke with former WWE star Jayson Anthony Paul, f.k.a. JTG, who was promoting his new book, Damn, Why Did I Write This Book?. During the interview - which was conducted before the Hulk Hogancontroversy and will be published here on Wrestling Inc. later this week - JTG discussed his time with WWE, having heat in the company, speaking out against WWE and getting punished, issues wrestlers have with Triple H and more. He also talked about getting the Cryme Tyme gimmick.
"Well, there's two aspects to the Cryme Tyme gimmick," JTG said. "There's the look of the characters. At first, I didn't want to do it. My original partner was Abraham Washington. He called me up when we were in amateur class in OVW. He said we had an amateur show coming up, and he said if we were trying to get signed we needed to come out with bulletproof vests, fitted hats, a whole bunch of chains. We should wrestle in jeans and Timberlands. I said absolutely not, it's too stereotypical, and I already bought tights and wrestling boots. He talked me in to it, and we did the amateur show. We blew the roof off at the amateur show."
So it sounds like he rolled with the gimmick, but it originated as his previous partner's idea that he wasn't crazy about. He goes onto say that the WWE just lacked the diversity in their creative staff to come up with the ideas to properly promote young African-American superstars to their audience at the time.
I respect what you're saying. I really do. Your heart is in the right place.
But as a society, we NEED satire. We need it to grow as a society. We need to notice and even celebrate our differences. Not pretend like our differences don't exist. Why pretend like every single group of friends represents every culture, every religion, every skin color, and has a 50/50 gender ratio? That's not real life. It's very possible a group of friends could be all girls, all black, all asian. Why does everything have to include 'messenging' these days? Why does almost every commercial and billboard we see have to be scientifically calculated to be as 'unoffensive' as possible?
Anyway, I contest we need satire to take a step back and laugh at ourselves. Yes, even that guy in the wheelchair. If we can't do that anymore, well, then we take ourselves too seriously. And when we take ourselves too seriously, we lose our humor, we lose our culture, and we even lose our sense of self.
Political Correctness has its place. Sometimes people do go too far in belittling The Other. But I see very few examples of this in modern society that are actually worth the torch and pitchforks that I see brought out routinely. The problem with caving and catering to every little demand is that it's never enough. The neo-PC crowd want to strip away intended meaning and replace it with a blanket of PC-sameness across all our entertainment. If you think as a creator you've appeased them, you're wrong. They'll always find something else and keep digging at that scab until it will no longer heal.
What a great post, someone give this man a cookie.
Cryme time took the cheque. No one forced them to do the gimmick.
I'm not portraying them as victims in this, they were beneficiaries if anything. I'm saying that today's society would be much quicker to make a picket sign and cry controversy over it (and they have, as this is an example I borrowed) than 10-ish years ago when it happened (and went largely unnoticed).
lots of people before they became truly famous (I'd never seen Dave Attell with a full head of hair!)
But at the start was a trailer for another comedy DVD series...
....c'mon now!
Originally posted by: leatherrebel5150
Also power rangers. Black ranger=black guy, yellow ranger = asian girl, would never happen today. At least not both in the same group of rangers
Girl = pink, Native American = Red
The unspoken issue is with Billy, the blue ranger, who was harassed for being gay. Hollywood will never change.
Originally posted by: sadikyo
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: sadikyo
You never know the reason why someone may be so passionate about a particular issue, without knowing their story.
I honestly find this to be the biggest cop out excuse for anything. How do you know that the person you're saying this to didn't have the same struggles or issues? It's basically saying "I need to be special so treat me like I want and respect blah blah" rather than dealing with whatever issue it happens to be at the time. Same with "you don't know what kind of day someone is having". No kidding? Bet you don't know the other persons story or how their day went, but people expect it from others.
I don't intend that statement to be a license for someone to say whatever they want without fear of any repercussions. That is not my intent. And absolutely, apply that across the board. All I mean is....and this we can apply to everyone in most circumstances, is before judging someone too harshly we should slow down for just a moment and remind ourselves that we don't really know them.
This doesn't apply to 'just one side,' it applies to all of us. It's not being anyone being special and deserving extra respect. It's a simple reminder, that's all.
I know you meant good with what you were saying, but I see this phrase being used as a crutch to excuse someone of a poor performance at their job, or basically anything that their sensitive ears just don't want to hear.
Maybe the person who's acting hostile just got served divorce papers, lost their job, or had a loved one pass away - do those people think about the aggressors? Nope. Why? Because they're having a bad day and need to be coddled. That's what this phrase says. If you mean it the other way, just repeat the Golden Rule - treat others how you like to be treated, anything past that is just attention seeking IMO.
I thought this was gonna be about Mario Odyssey
People crying racist cuz Mario was in a poncho and sombrero. *heavy eye roll* people are way too sensitive these days and need to get over it. If people took the time and energy they spend on bitchin about pointless shit and turned it into something positive the world would be a better place.
This. How soon they all forget, that this isn't the first time he's worn a sombrero anyway:
However, I would also like to note that he's an italian sterotype, and has been that way for YEARS. He's even wore an Italian chef's outfit, and nobody cared. But if he puts on a sombrero and poncho... OH NO!!!
It's just the current bandwagon outcry of this generation.
If they really want something to cry about... The shyguys are promoting "whiteface".
what's next Mario, skinning animals for their fur?
I was at a friends the other night and we were watching a stand up comedy DVD from the early 90s,
lots of people before they became truly famous (I'd never seen Dave Attell with a full head of hair!)
But at the start was a trailer for another comedy DVD series...
....c'mon now!
Full screen? That will trigger anyone
I love that show.