Why are you personally so concerned about whether the Sachen games stay niche or become more widely accepted? I think something like Huge Insect warrents a price like it has, given its background story and so few copies made. (A)
Fullset back in the day was licensed + unlicensed, all of them, and only in more recent times have the concepts and definitions changed, a partial product of rising prices. (B)
My point is, most of those NTDEC games weren't designed for distribution solely in America, a few Famicom pcbs + Famicom labels + Famicom to NES converters in a NES case + a generic box does not equate to the same situation as Sachen, i.e. carts with 72 pin boards, manuals, custom boxes, etc. Sure there were generic boxes later, but at first not that way. If the games were cheap and easily obtainable, there would be less resistance towards them.
Getting back to the original conversation:
While regional rarity may and can exist (someone mentioned something about Japanese games), I think we need to look at rarity within the regions, but also as a whole determined by production numbers. (...) (C - and rest of the messages posted after)
I'm in a hurry so here's a quick reply.
A) I've never collected sachen games seriously and I'll probably never do so. I'm getting some when I can or when nothing else of interest pops up but have no intent of getting a fullset of those. But I do think it's completly stupid to buy a game just because it's rare to brag all around and do nothing with it, especially when the person is not interested by the game itself, but just use it to butter themselves up (happens way more than what people think).
That's my point! Fullset is a volatile definition that a bunch of people agreed on.
C) As stated, if you follow the logic of the atari collectors, ntdec stuff (for example) should be there as well since it was commercialised at some point, even through very badly, it was a "commercial" release. So yeah I'd be more for a multiples list and people should be free to choose which fullset they want to achieve. You can't force a definition on a community. If you look at atari collectors, I'm certain they have multiple definition of it as well.
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Why are you personally so concerned about whether the Sachen games stay niche or become more widely accepted? I think something like Huge Insect warrents a price like it has, given its background story and so few copies made. (A)
Fullset back in the day was licensed + unlicensed, all of them, and only in more recent times have the concepts and definitions changed, a partial product of rising prices. (B)
My point is, most of those NTDEC games weren't designed for distribution solely in America, a few Famicom pcbs + Famicom labels + Famicom to NES converters in a NES case + a generic box does not equate to the same situation as Sachen, i.e. carts with 72 pin boards, manuals, custom boxes, etc. Sure there were generic boxes later, but at first not that way. If the games were cheap and easily obtainable, there would be less resistance towards them.
Getting back to the original conversation:
While regional rarity may and can exist (someone mentioned something about Japanese games), I think we need to look at rarity within the regions, but also as a whole determined by production numbers. (...) (C - and rest of the messages posted after)
I'm in a hurry so here's a quick reply.
A) I've never collected sachen games seriously and I'll probably never do so. I'm getting some when I can or when nothing else of interest pops up but have no intent of getting a fullset of those. But I do think it's completly stupid to buy a game just because it's rare to brag all around and do nothing with it, especially when the person is not interested by the game itself, but just use it to butter themselves up (happens way more than what people think).
C) As stated, if you follow the logic of the atari collectors, ntdec stuff (for example) should be there as well since it was commercialised at some point, even through very badly, it was a "commercial" release. So yeah I'd be more for a multiples list and people should be free to choose which fullset they want to achieve. You can't force a definition on a community. If you look at atari collectors, I'm certain they have multiple definition of it as well.