Has Your Opinion on J.K. Rowling Changed?

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  • Originally posted by: The Book Crusader



    And why exactly would I have a problem with someone I hadn't even heard of? You've clearly assumed that I'm a Conservative (a radical one at that), even though I gave zero indication as such. I don't identify with either political party, and I don't have a problem with someone who holds Liberal or anti-Trump beliefs. I think Mark Cuban is a straight up badass (for Shark Tank, not for the Mavs), and he is extremely vocal in his anti-Trump beliefs.

    Then what is your actual issue? If it's being vocal about an opinion, you got a looooooong line of people on both sides that have that same issue, starting with the president on down. Where's your thread against them?



     
  • Originally posted by: xMaGuSx

     
    Originally posted by: attakid101

     
    Originally posted by: cirellio

    It's a shame when famous people decide to start virtue signaling from their ivory towers, telling the peasants how to think ... even though they are so separated from reality, they can't possibly relate to us anymore.



    Once actors/etc. can't keep it professional and start using their fame as a political platform, and act like their opinion is more important than ours, it makes me uncomfortable and unwilling to support them anymore.

    Does anyone else notice how these two paragraphs can easily be applied to Trump himself?

    Don't get me started   



    I'm not here to talk about Trump. It's quite clear that a lot of people here hate him and I understand that. Message loud and clear.



    Fortunately I enjoy video games and enjoy talking about video games, so that's what I'm here for. When someone here asks for opinions about something political though, it would be nice to not have people try to jump down my throat invalidate everything I say just because I'm a Conservative. And yes, I do happen to support Trump. I shared that with you guys knowing I'd get shit for it, but I thought maybe you'd still respect me as a fellow video gamer and peer. I'm proud to have been brave enough to go against the grain, even if it gains me no respect here, but I'm proud to stand up for what I believe in. (I understand the OP does not support Trump, and that's perfectly fine.)



    So, about the quote. For the above paragraphs to be true, you have to believe a lot of the lies the media have spoonfed about him. For us to even have a conversation about this, it requires open-mindedness, not foregone conclusions that Trump is stupid, sexist, racist, etc. For instance I've seen political cartoons posted here that smear Trump in the past, most of which require you to take the lies about Trump, make it a foregone conclusion that they are all true, and then the political cartoon becomes 'funny' at his expense. Same thing with SNL skits, etc. They are putting zero effort into understanding who the president is and trying to make a damning caricature out of him instead. This kind of humor is nothing short of hatespeech IMO, the same thing that people accuse Trump of. Yet I listen to nearly every one of his speeches and I have yet to hear a single line of hatespeech from his mouth. You may not believe this because there's a crap-ton of hitpieces out there trying to insinuate that Trump is a hateful person, but I'm saying it's simply not true. 



    And no, I'm not going to go around looking for sources.

     

    All I will say is that there's a difference between becoming a politician for the good of the country vs. just using fame to spout uninformed rhetoric. 



    And finally, I'm sorry, I did totally misread what you said when you said 'dumb'. I take back what I said earlier. I do get a bit jumpy these days because I do feel like people on NA like to jump down my throat and invalidate me whenever I dare have a political opinion.
  • I never really had an opinion on her to begin with, she seems like a cougar though so I like her.



    Hell, even if she wants to scream Trump's name I don't care.
  • I would take her seriously if she actually provided a solid argument based on facts and objectivity for why she dislikes trump. Instead, it seems to be shes as uninformed as pretty much every celebrity out there and is just playing along with the "trump is evil" narrative just because it is popular.



    I have learned in the past to not take celebrities seriously because pretty much all of them are idiots and have no knowledge of what it is like to live with the as a middle class citizen or pretty much any political issue really. As long as their pockets are full then they can use their liberal, leftist stance as their moral high ground and make themselves look good to the uneducated masses.



    I will admire them for their talent and their talent alone and nothing else.

     
  • I think overall we all just need to do a better job about not making people feel attacked or like they are stupid. And this happens in various topics and on both sides of the political isle. I feel like I can't say the word 'offensive' without being called a SJW, as an example. [And no, I don't want to go there here, just trying to make a point]



    We all have our thoughts on what we think is right or wrong. All should be welcome here as long as they aren't overly negative or personal. I think part of the problem is sometimes proving someone else wrong or proving someone's own opinion 'better,' becomes more about being right than the actual topic or discussion.
  • Originally posted by: cirellio

     
    Originally posted by: xMaGuSx

     
    Originally posted by: attakid101

     
    Originally posted by: cirellio

    It's a shame when famous people decide to start virtue signaling from their ivory towers, telling the peasants how to think ... even though they are so separated from reality, they can't possibly relate to us anymore.



    Once actors/etc. can't keep it professional and start using their fame as a political platform, and act like their opinion is more important than ours, it makes me uncomfortable and unwilling to support them anymore.

    Does anyone else notice how these two paragraphs can easily be applied to Trump himself?

    Don't get me started   



    I'm not here to talk about Trump. It's quite clear that a lot of people here hate him and I understand that. Message loud and clear.



    Fortunately I enjoy video games and enjoy talking about video games, so that's what I'm here for. When someone here asks for opinions about something political though, it would be nice to not have people try to jump down my throat invalidate everything I say just because I'm a Conservative. And yes, I do happen to support Trump. I shared that with you guys knowing I'd get shit for it, but I thought maybe you'd still respect me as a fellow video gamer and peer. I'm proud to have been brave enough to go against the grain, even if it gains me no respect here, but I'm proud to stand up for what I believe in. (I understand the OP does not support Trump, and that's perfectly fine.)



    So, about the quote. For the above paragraphs to be true, you have to believe a lot of the lies the media have spoonfed about him. For us to even have a conversation about this, it requires open-mindedness, not foregone conclusions that Trump is stupid, sexist, racist, etc. For instance I've seen political cartoons posted here that smear Trump in the past, most of which require you to take the lies about Trump, make it a foregone conclusion that they are all true, and then the political cartoon becomes 'funny' at his expense. Same thing with SNL skits, etc. They are putting zero effort into understanding who the president is and trying to make a damning caricature out of him instead. This kind of humor is nothing short of hatespeech IMO, the same thing that people accuse Trump of. Yet I listen to nearly every one of his speeches and I have yet to hear a single line of hatespeech from his mouth. You may not believe this because there's a crap-ton of hitpieces out there trying to insinuate that Trump is a hateful person, but I'm saying it's simply not true. 



    And no, I'm not going to go around looking for sources.

     

    All I will say is that there's a difference between becoming a politician for the good of the country vs. just using fame to spout uninformed rhetoric. 



    And finally, I'm sorry, I did totally misread what you said when you said 'dumb'. I take back what I said earlier. I do get a bit jumpy these days because I do feel like people on NA like to jump down my throat and invalidate me whenever I dare have a political opinion.

    Okay so you can baselessly judge celebrities for being out of touch, but anyone who believes that Trump is himself an out-of-touch-ivory-tower-billionaire is only saying so because they're being spoon fed liberal propaganda. Makes sense.


     
  • Ozzy fans out there?  



  • Originally posted by: TheToxieRules

    I never really had an opinion on her to begin with, she seems like a cougar though so I like her.



    Hell, even if she wants to scream Trump's name I don't care.



    yeah I'd pot her
  • I usually just separate the celebrity/athlete from the art as others have said. People are entitled to their opinion but I can still enjoy their work regardless of their beliefs.
  • Yeah my knowledge of and appreciation for JK Rowling is right about in line with your mother's knowledge of and appreciation for say....Hulk Hogan. Name rings a bell, body of work rings a bell, and the rest is mentally classified away as "stuff for other people".
  • It would be silly for celebrities to -not- use their fame as a political platform. When you're trying to discuss things you're passionate about, you want to expose your beliefs with as many people as possible. For celebrities, with millions of followers on Twitter, this is the obvious and most effective method.



    I would do the same thing in a heartbeat.
  • Originally posted by: attakid101

    Originally posted by: cirellio

     
    Originally posted by: xMaGuSx

     
    Originally posted by: attakid101

     
    Originally posted by: cirellio

    It's a shame when famous people decide to start virtue signaling from their ivory towers, telling the peasants how to think ... even though they are so separated from reality, they can't possibly relate to us anymore.



    Once actors/etc. can't keep it professional and start using their fame as a political platform, and act like their opinion is more important than ours, it makes me uncomfortable and unwilling to support them anymore.

    Does anyone else notice how these two paragraphs can easily be applied to Trump himself?

    Don't get me started   



    I'm not here to talk about Trump. It's quite clear that a lot of people here hate him and I understand that. Message loud and clear.



    Fortunately I enjoy video games and enjoy talking about video games, so that's what I'm here for. When someone here asks for opinions about something political though, it would be nice to not have people try to jump down my throat invalidate everything I say just because I'm a Conservative. And yes, I do happen to support Trump. I shared that with you guys knowing I'd get shit for it, but I thought maybe you'd still respect me as a fellow video gamer and peer. I'm proud to have been brave enough to go against the grain, even if it gains me no respect here, but I'm proud to stand up for what I believe in. (I understand the OP does not support Trump, and that's perfectly fine.)



    So, about the quote. For the above paragraphs to be true, you have to believe a lot of the lies the media have spoonfed about him. For us to even have a conversation about this, it requires open-mindedness, not foregone conclusions that Trump is stupid, sexist, racist, etc. For instance I've seen political cartoons posted here that smear Trump in the past, most of which require you to take the lies about Trump, make it a foregone conclusion that they are all true, and then the political cartoon becomes 'funny' at his expense. Same thing with SNL skits, etc. They are putting zero effort into understanding who the president is and trying to make a damning caricature out of him instead. This kind of humor is nothing short of hatespeech IMO, the same thing that people accuse Trump of. Yet I listen to nearly every one of his speeches and I have yet to hear a single line of hatespeech from his mouth. You may not believe this because there's a crap-ton of hitpieces out there trying to insinuate that Trump is a hateful person, but I'm saying it's simply not true. 



    And no, I'm not going to go around looking for sources.

     

    All I will say is that there's a difference between becoming a politician for the good of the country vs. just using fame to spout uninformed rhetoric. 



    And finally, I'm sorry, I did totally misread what you said when you said 'dumb'. I take back what I said earlier. I do get a bit jumpy these days because I do feel like people on NA like to jump down my throat and invalidate me whenever I dare have a political opinion.

    Okay so you can baselessly judge celebrities for being out of touch, but anyone who believes that Trump is himself an out-of-touch-ivory-tower-billionaire is only saying so because they're being spoon fed liberal propaganda. Makes sense.


     





    Calling someone out of touch is not the same thing as calling someone evil and hateful. I think the whole argument is these celebrities are acting like trump is Hitler or some crap when that is simply not true and it is kindof silly and it gives us incentive to just not pay attention to these people. I don't like the guy but my goodness maybe hold off on the crack, you know what I mean?
  • If I let the political stances of my favorite artists affect my opinion of them, I don't think I'd be listening to any music, watching any movies, or reading any books. I have to compartmentalize it. I once went to a Keith Jarrett concert in 2005 cause I like his piano music, and he used the stage to trash G.W. Bush. Annoying, but whatever. I enjoyed the concert anyway.
  • Originally posted by: GradualGames

    If I let the political stances of my favorite artists affect my opinion of them, I don't think I'd be listening to any music, watching any movies, or reading any books. I have to compartmentalize it. I once went to a Keith Jarrett concert in 2005 cause I like his piano music, and he used the stage to trash G.W. Bush. Annoying, but whatever. I enjoyed the concert anyway.





    Amen.
  • opinions about politics screw over many geniuses. I don't know shit about what JK Rowling said about this stuff, but she is a fantastic author who is cemented in history.



    and everyone has opinions.
  • I look at what a person makes...rather then what comes out of their mouth.



    I go in for their art, not the person.



    But I will say that my opinion on her changed because of her art. Specifically the cash grabs. The last Harry Potter "book" that's really just a bad fan fiction masquerading as a "play" or the new films that take place in the HP universe but...suck? I thought Fantastic Beasts sort of sucked. Meh plot and somewhat stiff acting. The sub plot involving the muggle baker and that mind reader was more entertaining then the whole film.



    She's rich enough so why the cash grabs? I can only think that she got "typecasted" as the Harry Potter author and fans wanted MORE. So she half assed more for them. Got used to her fame and ego and didn't put any effort into the stuff. Which is a shame...but it happens. I've seen it happen to other authors (Stephen King to name one).
  • US people have to realize that there are a lot of reasons why foreigners can hate Trump... or other countries presidents. Trump's administration can have far reaching effects in other countries (for example, climate change denialism), can mark undesirable trends (the rise of the unreasonable and populist right), or are simply because of empathy (I hate that Trump put a Supreme Court judge that is conservative as fuck).



    I also hate Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro even if they have little to do with my country because they brought ruin to Venezuela, just to cite another example. I hate Kim Jong because his regime is authoritarian and brutal...
  • Originally posted by: Astor Reinhardt



    I look at what a person makes...rather then what comes out of their mouth.



    I go in for their art, not the person.



    But I will say that my opinion on her changed because of her art. Specifically the cash grabs. The last Harry Potter "book" that's really just a bad fan fiction masquerading as a "play" or the new films that take place in the HP universe but...suck? I thought Fantastic Beasts sort of sucked. Meh plot and somewhat stiff acting. The sub plot involving the muggle baker and that mind reader was more entertaining then the whole film.



    She's rich enough so why the cash grabs? I can only think that she got "typecasted" as the Harry Potter author and fans wanted MORE. So she half assed more for them. Got used to her fame and ego and didn't put any effort into the stuff. Which is a shame...but it happens. I've seen it happen to other authors (Stephen King to name one).





    It's because she's already discovered, via her Robert Galbraith pseudonym, that she'll never be able to replicate her success. So, of course, she does the next best thing and decides to milk her super successful franchise for every last pence she can.





    Which brings me to another point (which I make to everyone): why do you think she remained silent on the refugee issue? Do you think she was worried that it would effect her Pottermore royalties?



    Because, despite what her Goodreads defenders claimed, going silent was just about the worst thing she could have done.
  • "Person has opinion on political leader, also happens to write books."



    No, I don't care.
  • Politics are gross
  • While I don't agree with JK Rowling, I wouldn't necessarily throw her works in the trash right away because their author has political views I don't subscribe to. As Astor Reinhardt said in this thread, I would rather go for the art and not the person.



    However, nowadays, it seems like those liberal authors' works all contain the same virtue signaling and liberal BS they keep spouting on Twitter. One example that comes to mind is Sting's "Inshallah" song he sang at the Bataclan reopening after some jihadis were shouting "Allahu Akbar" and killing dozens of people. What's even worse is that the theatre censored the band that was supposed to play instead of him because they were critical of Islam. Could you imagine having someone sing a song about Christianity if the attack was done by Christian fundamentalists?



    This kind of stuff is what's wrong with art as a whole nowadays. SJW-ism and virtue signaling is not only present on the artists' twitter accounts, but also in their art.
  • Originally posted by: Vectrex28

    This kind of stuff is what's wrong with art as a whole nowadays. SJW-ism and virtue signaling is not only present on the artists' twitter accounts, but also in their art.

    It's been that way for awhile. Bands, authors, and artists have used their medium to promote their politics, and it courted controversy almost every time. I don't see this being anything that snuck up on us.



    Steppenwolf - Draft Resister





    Indian Reservation - Paul Revere and the Raiders





    Merry Xmas (the War is over) - John Lennon (or anything he did post-Beatles)





    Heck, Dante's Inferno was a hit piece on people Dante didn't like.





     
  • This is a part of the problem with social media letting us know too much about famous people. Most of them feel like their opinion is more important because they're famous, and a lot of times will lack knowledge on the subject they're talking about. Of course this isn't always the case, often i'll be surprised at how intelligent someone that appears to be a total doofus is.



    Politics have become such a joke that I don't even listen to anyone's opinion on the subject any more. I see links on Kotaku all the time trashing whatever Trump did today, and I just think to myself "why even bother?". There's a lot more things to spend your time and energy thinking about.
  • Originally posted by: BriGuy82



    Yeah, some people it's harder to separate their political views than others. For me the worst is Bruce Springsteen. He makes me want to puke.



    Funny i thought of bruce springsteen too, not a fan of green day either because billie joe likes to talk too much about his opinions

     
  • "Especially over how much she loves to let the public know she hates the president of a country she doesn't even live in."



    I dunno, but I'm just saying, hating her based on that sounds dumb as fuck.
  • Originally posted by: Tulpa



    Indian Reservation - Paul Revere and the Raiders

     

     















  • I saw Paul Revere and the Raiders at Disneyworld. Irrelevant, just saying...
  • Nope.

    What I cant understand is why someone wouldnt care about whats going on in other countries.Especially ones that effect theirs.
  • Originally posted by: ne$_pimp



    Nope.

    What I cant understand is why someone wouldnt care about whats going on in other countries.Especially ones that effect theirs.

    That's exactly why I said that argument is retarded. I mean, pragmatics aside, empathy exists...



     
  • I don't think someone who lacks basic reading comprehension should be claiming that other people's arguments are "retarded." If you had taken the time to actually read the first post, instead of rushing to the comment box to type up an insult, you would have seen what my problems with Rowling are. And if you had the taken the time to read the other comments, you would have saw that I'm not the only one who has that problem with her.
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