Trump is not Hitler. He's not going to ruin the country. And he's not gonna cause World War III.
Seriously, I had an argument with a very liberal moron about Trump and WWIII.
But in my opinion, he's an embarrassment to the presidency. I'd love it if he'd stop tweeted, stop endorsing his family, stop golfing, and stop talking shit.
Just do the fucking job and do it with some fucking dignity for Christ's sake.
Great post. This is pretty much where I'm at with things. And I'm a liberal.
But in my opinion, he's an embarrassment to the presidency. I'd love it if he'd stop tweeted, stop endorsing his family, stop golfing, and stop talking shit.
Just do the fucking job and do it with some fucking dignity for Christ's sake.
You misunderstand me, sir. I actually prefer an ultra rich business savvy person in government because they know what it takes to bring a business out on top. In the same way Trump probably knows how to bring a country out on top, in terms of economics. Economy is priority #1 and other issues are all distant second imo.
1. A country is not a business, AT ALL.
2. Trump is not even a good businessman, for reasons already stated by others.
I didn't have much of an opinion on her before other than being impressed by her success and I don't have much of an opinion on her now. I've never read the books or watched the movies.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits.
You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself.
The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
How do you think he gets his results? Do you think it is good, honest business and hard earned money? Serious question. Because IMO i think he didn't care whose head or backs he had to step on to get where he is. I could be wrong of course. But the general vibe from his personality and issues that have happened in the past have shaped my views. Even though i am sure some will just say it is "spoonfed liberal lies".
His obsession also with people knowing how much he is worth, as if it is a competition is very unbecoming as well. He is obsessed with status and how high on that scale he fits.
Index funds are about the safest investment actually in the stock market, and are pretty much the benchmark for earning above a certain starting amount for the rich. You literally do nothing but watch the money grow. If you can't outearn that, you're doing it wrong.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
That's really not true at all. There were several articles that came out when he announced his presidency about how well he has done with his money. He inherited multi-millions from his father and turned that into billions, that is true. However it's not that difficult to make money when you already have it. Had he taken that inheritance and done literally nothing other than invest it in a non-managed S&P 500 index fund he would have significantly more money, to the tune of at least double what he has. So he has done a lot worse than the overall market.
Index funds are about the safest investment actually in the stock market, and are pretty much the benchmark for earning above a certain starting amount for the rich. You literally do nothing but watch the money grow. If you can't outearn that, you're doing it wrong.
hindsight is 20/20 my man. trump had knowledge in real estate. His dad was a successful real estate guy, too. So, naturally trump was gonna invest in real estate.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
How do you think he gets his results? Do you think it is good, honest business and hard earned money? Serious question. Because IMO i think he didn't care whose head or backs he had to step on to get where he is. I could be wrong of course. But the general vibe from his personality and issues that have happened in the past have shaped my views. Even though i am sure some will just say it is "spoonfed liberal lies".
His obsession also with people knowing how much he is worth, as if it is a competition is very unbecoming as well. He is obsessed with status and how high on that scale he fits.
I already mentioned how he isn't a nice guy. He probably screwed some people over in the past. This isn't about liking the guy. I don't like trump. But if you ask me if I would vote for him again I absolutely would. Especially over Hillary, my goodness, anyone but hillary.
Also keep in mind, many of the people who voted for trump in the swing states had previously voted for obama twice and felt screwed over.
On the topic on hand the sky is not falling. JK Rowling should shut up with her fear mongering. People aren't dying. The economy is starting to bloom. Trump isn't hitler. Let's all just calm down and relax a bit. In 3.5 years we have a chance to asses whether we want Trump out or not, but until then, we are in good shape.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
That's really not true at all. There were several articles that came out when he announced his presidency about how well he has done with his money. He inherited multi-millions from his father and turned that into billions, that is true. However it's not that difficult to make money when you already have it. Had he taken that inheritance and done literally nothing other than invest it in a non-managed S&P 500 index fund he would have significantly more money, to the tune of at least double what he has. So he has done a lot worse than the overall market.
Index funds have been consistent performers for decades, and Trump had to know this. If you have the seed money and can't outgain the index, you're not a successful businessman.
Ok so let it be known that trump is not a good business man because he has only $3.5 billion instead of $13+ billion. I'm sure if it's so easy to make that kindof money then you all will become millionares and show trump how it's done. Lol Trump started at about $1 million and made $500 million and then if he invested that $500 mil in index stocks he'd have $13 bill. But he still made billions of dollars in assets. that is something that only a couple of hundred people have the right to say.
In the end it doesn't matter. Trump made billions. End of story. Im sure with $13 billion he could have done something to make himself more powerful like try to use it to become president... Oh wait.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing.
Actually, as has been pointed out, ANYBODY who started with the same seed money could have had MUCH BETTER results by simply investing in the broad market and accepting average market returns and dividends.
I wouldn't say that makes him a "bad businessman", necessarily (though his numerous bankruptcy abuses might indicate otherwise).
Index funds have been consistent performers for decades, and Trump had to know this. If you have the seed money and can't outgain the index, you're not a successful businessman.
Trump basically pissed away $10 billion.
Buffet had been making shitloads of money for Berkshire long before Trump was a player in real estate.
"For 10 years between 1995 and 2005, Donald Trump ran Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts -- and he did it so badly and incompetently that it collapsed into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. His stockholders were almost entirely wiped out, losing a staggering 89% of their money. The company actually lost money every single year. In total it racked up more than $600 million in net losses over that period."
"While Trump was running Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts into the ground, the Dow Jones index of gambling stocks -- the index that Trump himself cited in public filings as his best benchmark -- soared 160%. Investors in Harrah's saw their stake go up by nearly 150%. MGM MGM, -0.91% quintupled. These people were making out like bandits."
"However, one person associated with Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts did make money:
Donald J. Trump.
A review of the company's public filings show that over that period, while his ordinary investors were getting hosed, Trump himself was siphoning millions out of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts through salary, "bonuses" -- yes, really -- and cozy "service agreements" or side deals with his private corporations."
And it wasn't just $1 million from his dad. He also got tens of millions in credit, and plenty of leads. It wasn't like he was starting from scratch, he got a BIG head start. Even just by the real estate projects, he should have been a lot further along.
"For 10 years between 1995 and 2005, Donald Trump ran Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts -- and he did it so badly and incompetently that it collapsed into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. His stockholders were almost entirely wiped out, losing a staggering 89% of their money. The company actually lost money every single year. In total it racked up more than $600 million in net losses over that period."
"While Trump was running Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts into the ground, the Dow Jones index of gambling stocks -- the index that Trump himself cited in public filings as his best benchmark -- soared 160%. Investors in Harrah's saw their stake go up by nearly 150%. MGM MGM, -0.91% quintupled. These people were making out like bandits."
"However, one person associated with Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts did make money:
Donald J. Trump.
A review of the company's public filings show that over that period, while his ordinary investors were getting hosed, Trump himself was siphoning millions out of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts through salary, "bonuses" -- yes, really -- and cozy "service agreements" or side deals with his private corporations."
Trump Airlines - $245 million loan, didn't make enough while operating to cover the loan interest, Trump defaulted, left the creditors holding the bag.
Trump beverages - most canceled before they made it to market.
Trump: The Game - moved 800,000 of the 2 million produced. Rebranded under The Apprentice, then pulled from market.
Trump casinos (real estate, his supposed forte) - Taj Mahal went bankrupt, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos went bankrupt, Trump Entertainment Resorts went bankrupt.
Trump magazine - folded after a little over a year.
Trump Mortgage (again, another real estate related venture) - shuttered after little over a year, still owes back taxes and a $300,000 judgment to a former employee.
Trump Steaks - pulled after two months, little evidence they sold any steaks at all.
Trump's travel site - folded after a year.
Trumpnet communications - never got off the ground.
Trump Tower Tampa - he got sued for misleading investors, ended up settling.
Trump University - BIG bait and switch, with instructors mostly composing of motivational speakers, lawsuit underway.
Trump Vodka - flopped (to be fair, he's not a big boozer, so probably not the best spokesperson for alcohol.)
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Trump is not Hitler. He's not going to ruin the country. And he's not gonna cause World War III.
Seriously, I had an argument with a very liberal moron about Trump and WWIII.
But in my opinion, he's an embarrassment to the presidency. I'd love it if he'd stop tweeted, stop endorsing his family, stop golfing, and stop talking shit.
Just do the fucking job and do it with some fucking dignity for Christ's sake.
Great post. This is pretty much where I'm at with things. And I'm a liberal.
Trump: DAMN MARBLE MUNCHER ATE MY MARBLE!
But in my opinion, he's an embarrassment to the presidency. I'd love it if he'd stop tweeted, stop endorsing his family, stop golfing, and stop talking shit.
Just do the fucking job and do it with some fucking dignity for Christ's sake.
No kidding.
You misunderstand me, sir. I actually prefer an ultra rich business savvy person in government because they know what it takes to bring a business out on top. In the same way Trump probably knows how to bring a country out on top, in terms of economics. Economy is priority #1 and other issues are all distant second imo.
1. A country is not a business, AT ALL.
2. Trump is not even a good businessman, for reasons already stated by others.
The only thing that changed my opinion on JK Rowling is how boring Fantastic Beasts was.
Interesting
I've never read the books or watched the movies.
The books are quite good, especially from the third one on.
You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself.
The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
How do you think he gets his results? Do you think it is good, honest business and hard earned money? Serious question. Because IMO i think he didn't care whose head or backs he had to step on to get where he is. I could be wrong of course. But the general vibe from his personality and issues that have happened in the past have shaped my views. Even though i am sure some will just say it is "spoonfed liberal lies".
His obsession also with people knowing how much he is worth, as if it is a competition is very unbecoming as well. He is obsessed with status and how high on that scale he fits.
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
Index funds are about the safest investment actually in the stock market, and are pretty much the benchmark for earning above a certain starting amount for the rich. You literally do nothing but watch the money grow. If you can't outearn that, you're doing it wrong.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
That's really not true at all. There were several articles that came out when he announced his presidency about how well he has done with his money. He inherited multi-millions from his father and turned that into billions, that is true. However it's not that difficult to make money when you already have it. Had he taken that inheritance and done literally nothing other than invest it in a non-managed S&P 500 index fund he would have significantly more money, to the tune of at least double what he has. So he has done a lot worse than the overall market.
Here is an article
https://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/
He also could have taken his 1987 wealth, invested in index funds, sat on his ass, and be worth $13 billion today.
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/don...
Index funds are about the safest investment actually in the stock market, and are pretty much the benchmark for earning above a certain starting amount for the rich. You literally do nothing but watch the money grow. If you can't outearn that, you're doing it wrong.
hindsight is 20/20 my man. trump had knowledge in real estate. His dad was a successful real estate guy, too. So, naturally trump was gonna invest in real estate.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
How do you think he gets his results? Do you think it is good, honest business and hard earned money? Serious question. Because IMO i think he didn't care whose head or backs he had to step on to get where he is. I could be wrong of course. But the general vibe from his personality and issues that have happened in the past have shaped my views. Even though i am sure some will just say it is "spoonfed liberal lies".
His obsession also with people knowing how much he is worth, as if it is a competition is very unbecoming as well. He is obsessed with status and how high on that scale he fits.
I already mentioned how he isn't a nice guy. He probably screwed some people over in the past. This isn't about liking the guy. I don't like trump. But if you ask me if I would vote for him again I absolutely would. Especially over Hillary, my goodness, anyone but hillary.
Also keep in mind, many of the people who voted for trump in the swing states had previously voted for obama twice and felt screwed over.
On the topic on hand the sky is not falling. JK Rowling should shut up with her fear mongering. People aren't dying. The economy is starting to bloom. Trump isn't hitler. Let's all just calm down and relax a bit. In 3.5 years we have a chance to asses whether we want Trump out or not, but until then, we are in good shape.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing. Most successful businessmen have some failed attempts but they kept trying and got some big hits. You may not like him, personally. You may not like how he takes many golf trips and how he says stupid things or how he handles himself. The man gets friggen results. That's all that matters to me.
That's really not true at all. There were several articles that came out when he announced his presidency about how well he has done with his money. He inherited multi-millions from his father and turned that into billions, that is true. However it's not that difficult to make money when you already have it. Had he taken that inheritance and done literally nothing other than invest it in a non-managed S&P 500 index fund he would have significantly more money, to the tune of at least double what he has. So he has done a lot worse than the overall market.
Here is an article
https://www.moneytalksnews.com/wh...
lol I wonder if our resident 21 year old political correspondent has an incisive rebuttal for this new development
Trump basically pissed away $10 billion.
In the end it doesn't matter. Trump made billions. End of story. Im sure with $13 billion he could have done something to make himself more powerful like try to use it to become president... Oh wait.
Just because trump has some failed business attempts doesn't mean he isn't a good business man. His net worth is literally $3.5 billion dollars. You don't get that kind of worth and assets unless you are a smart, shrewd business man who knows what he is doing.
Actually, as has been pointed out, ANYBODY who started with the same seed money could have had MUCH BETTER results by simply investing in the broad market and accepting average market returns and dividends.
I wouldn't say that makes him a "bad businessman", necessarily (though his numerous bankruptcy abuses might indicate otherwise).
Index funds have been consistent performers for decades, and Trump had to know this. If you have the seed money and can't outgain the index, you're not a successful businessman.
Trump basically pissed away $10 billion.
Buffet had been making shitloads of money for Berkshire long before Trump was a player in real estate.
"For 10 years between 1995 and 2005, Donald Trump ran Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts -- and he did it so badly and incompetently that it collapsed into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. His stockholders were almost entirely wiped out, losing a staggering 89% of their money. The company actually lost money every single year. In total it racked up more than $600 million in net losses over that period."
"While Trump was running Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts into the ground, the Dow Jones index of gambling stocks -- the index that Trump himself cited in public filings as his best benchmark -- soared 160%. Investors in Harrah's saw their stake go up by nearly 150%. MGM MGM, -0.91% quintupled. These people were making out like bandits."
"However, one person associated with Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts did make money:
Donald J. Trump.
A review of the company's public filings show that over that period, while his ordinary investors were getting hosed, Trump himself was siphoning millions out of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts through salary, "bonuses" -- yes, really -- and cozy "service agreements" or side deals with his private corporations."
And then there is the Trump University scam.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-think
Trump is a conman, not a successful business man. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/...
"For 10 years between 1995 and 2005, Donald Trump ran Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts -- and he did it so badly and incompetently that it collapsed into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. His stockholders were almost entirely wiped out, losing a staggering 89% of their money. The company actually lost money every single year. In total it racked up more than $600 million in net losses over that period."
"While Trump was running Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts into the ground, the Dow Jones index of gambling stocks -- the index that Trump himself cited in public filings as his best benchmark -- soared 160%. Investors in Harrah's saw their stake go up by nearly 150%. MGM MGM, -0.91% quintupled. These people were making out like bandits."
"However, one person associated with Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts did make money:
Donald J. Trump.
A review of the company's public filings show that over that period, while his ordinary investors were getting hosed, Trump himself was siphoning millions out of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts through salary, "bonuses" -- yes, really -- and cozy "service agreements" or side deals with his private corporations."
And then there is the Trump University scam.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/joh...
A list of his business failures:
Trump Airlines - $245 million loan, didn't make enough while operating to cover the loan interest, Trump defaulted, left the creditors holding the bag.
Trump beverages - most canceled before they made it to market.
Trump: The Game - moved 800,000 of the 2 million produced. Rebranded under The Apprentice, then pulled from market.
Trump casinos (real estate, his supposed forte) - Taj Mahal went bankrupt, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos went bankrupt, Trump Entertainment Resorts went bankrupt.
Trump magazine - folded after a little over a year.
Trump Mortgage (again, another real estate related venture) - shuttered after little over a year, still owes back taxes and a $300,000 judgment to a former employee.
Trump Steaks - pulled after two months, little evidence they sold any steaks at all.
Trump's travel site - folded after a year.
Trumpnet communications - never got off the ground.
Trump Tower Tampa - he got sued for misleading investors, ended up settling.
Trump University - BIG bait and switch, with instructors mostly composing of motivational speakers, lawsuit underway.
Trump Vodka - flopped (to be fair, he's not a big boozer, so probably not the best spokesperson for alcohol.)
This guys thread is being hijacked gentleman. I am not a fan of Trump, but all of this is kind of irrelevant to the OP
Stating some of the realities behind the negative perceptions of Trump is not irrelevant to the OP, IMO.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tweets-that-obama-administration-obstructed-2016-election/
If the purpose of the thread is to lambast a celebrity making baseless accusations on social media, well...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump...
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/anti-trump-leak-campaign-damaging-u-s-allied-operations/
Baseless? It may actually be true. But I don't know what to believe.
If the purpose of the thread is to lambast a celebrity making baseless accusations on social media, well...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump...
Almost everything he tweets is either baseless, insulting or just plain wrong.
Im just plugging my ears and going "LALALALALA" for four years and hoping north korea or russia don't nuke the west coast