NES "full set" question
So it seems to be universally understood that a full NES set of licensed/unlicensed is 768 carts. 1 of these 768 is Dizzy the Adventurer for the Aladdin Deck Enhancer, yes? I get that it is an exclusive title and that's why it is included in the set but why are the other 6 Aladdin games not accounted for? Yes they all have NES style gold Camerica cart versions as well, so they can be considered variants (which I assume is the case here) but, if one is to exclude those 6 Aladdin carts from the full set list and deem them variants then why consider something like unlicensed/licensed Tengen versions of the same game (Gauntlet, Pac-Man, RBI Baseball) as two separate carts yet lump the Aladdin/Camerica gold carts together as one?
Maybe I am missing something here? Someone please clarify?
Maybe I am missing something here? Someone please clarify?
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I equate this to the Datach adapter on the Famicom - smaller carts, need the adapter to run. 4 unique titles, and one (Crayon Shin Chan) that is on both Datach and normal cart format. But to exclude it would be silly, if you are including the rest.
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is. Some people put things like NWC, Game Genie, and Classic Series variants on US set lists even though I think most people wouldn't. Collectively we've all sort of agreed "unlicensed" stops with retail releases in 1995 (and Cheetahmen II counts just because), but I've bought multiple unlicensed NES games from this year. The real full set gets bigger every month or two
For me, the traditional gold carts look much better so I got those instead of the cheap Aladdin versions. I also believe the gold carts are all first releases and the Aladdin versions came later as cheap budget titles. Someone correct me if that's wrong.
If you're going to include Dizzy you have to include all in my opinion. And to be honest, they're pretty easy to come by (not checking now, but a couple years ago you could get a new set of all ADE games on ebay for a fair price). Considering the trouble someone needs to go through for Cheetahmen 2 or the 3 porn games, why wouldn't they also include those?
The NA database doesn't count variants, so that's why they aren't in that 768 count. Different publishers of the same game are counted however, that's why you have Myriad and Caltron, both Impossible Mission II games, and the many versions of pac man.
Whether you think this is all bullshit is another matter, but that's how the NA list is constructed.
Many collectors who might not count it still have a set.
Are the two versions of dizzy actually different games? I never did count the Aladdin games as there are cart versions for all of them (the ones i got when doing my set). If they are different I'll pick up the deck enhancer version as well.
It has 250 stars to collect as opposed to 100, also the layout has been changed here and there, some other updates. I think it plays more like the Genesis version.
I think of it as an addon peripheral. Counting these in the NES set would be like a Genesis collector considering 32x games as part of the set.
That's kinda how I felt then I noticed only Dizzy the Adventurer ADE cart was included in the loose definition of "full set" for unlicensed on various lists I have referenced, and then was like WELP guess I gotta get that thing now; might as well cop the other 6 anyway because why not, but mostly was confused as to why just that one ADE cart got included in lists. I would think it would be all 7 or none at all, personally, since it's an add-on peripheral. So, if one were to revise any kind of list that would mean there are 774 with all ADE carts included and 767 without any ADE included.
At the end of the day none of this really matters, as someone mentioned it's about whatever one decides that they want, but I still needed some clarification on the matter.
Anyway, I do wanna say kudos on going for a full set. It's always bugged me when people say they go for a full set but skip the unlicensed games. People use the "oh, they're crap" excuse (which is a straight up excuse...there are TONS of great unlicensed games out there) to justify it, but there are also plenty of crap licensed games. They're just using it as an excuse to avoid chasing the rarest of the rare games. On the plus side, those rare games aren't as expensive as they would be if there were more people gunning for them, so I'm kinda glad about that. But still, no respect for a "full set" without unlicensed games.
I think of it as an addon peripheral. Counting these in the NES set would be like a Genesis collector considering 32x games as part of the set.
That's kinda how I felt then I noticed only Dizzy the Adventurer ADE cart was included in the loose definition of "full set" for unlicensed on various lists I have referenced, and then was like WELP guess I gotta get that thing now; might as well cop the other 6 anyway because why not, but mostly was confused as to why just that one ADE cart got included in lists. I would think it would be all 7 or none at all, personally, since it's an add-on peripheral. So, if one were to revise any kind of list that would mean there are 774 with all ADE carts included and 767 without any ADE included. At the end of the day none of this really matters, as someone mentioned it's about whatever one decides that they want, but I still needed some clarification on the matter.
More of an adapter than a piggyback system.
So I see it closer to the Atari 2600 Supercharger games than the Sega Genesis 32X.
Anyway, I do wanna say kudos on going for a full set. It's always bugged me when people say they go for a full set but skip the unlicensed games. People use the "oh, they're crap" excuse (which is a straight up excuse...there are TONS of great unlicensed games out there) to justify it, but there are also plenty of crap licensed games. They're just using it as an excuse to avoid chasing the rarest of the rare games. On the plus side, those rare games aren't as expensive as they would be if there were more people gunning for them, so I'm kinda glad about that. But still, no respect for a "full set" without unlicensed games.
Amen to that! That's my personal stance as well but again to each their own.
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is.
I like that. I've decided for myself that a full set is the exact list of games that I currently have, because I don't want to buy any more NES games.
They are variants, both published by Camerica. You can pick one or the other and still have a "full set" as defined by NA. The difference may be minute, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Counting both the gold Camerica carts and the Aladdin carts would be similar to counting both the gold and grey Zeldas for instance.
The NA database doesn't count variants, so that's why they aren't in that 768 count. Different publishers of the same game are counted however, that's why you have Myriad and Caltron, both Impossible Mission II games, and the many versions of pac man.
Whether you think this is all bullshit is another matter, but that's how the NA list is constructed.
So by this logic wouldn't RBI, Pac-Man, and Gauntlet unlicensed and licensed versions technically be only 3 games that have three variants, since they are all published by Tengen?
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is.
I like that. I've decided for myself that a full set is the exact list of games that I currently have, because I don't want to buy any more NES games.
Not too different from slicing and dicing the NES set any other way. If your "full set" list doesn't include Mah Jong, Garage Cart, NWC, and Tailgate Party: Limited Edition it's just a list of the games you want to collect like everybody else's personal list
They are variants, both published by Camerica. You can pick one or the other and still have a "full set" as defined by NA. The difference may be minute, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Counting both the gold Camerica carts and the Aladdin carts would be similar to counting both the gold and grey Zeldas for instance.
The NA database doesn't count variants, so that's why they aren't in that 768 count. Different publishers of the same game are counted however, that's why you have Myriad and Caltron, both Impossible Mission II games, and the many versions of pac man.
Whether you think this is all bullshit is another matter, but that's how the NA list is constructed.
So by this logic wouldn't RBI, Pac-Man, and Gauntlet unlicensed and licensed versions technically be only 3 games that have three variants, since they are all published by Tengen?
Nope. Licensed and unlicensed versions both count in the NA list.
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is.
I like that. I've decided for myself that a full set is the exact list of games that I currently have, because I don't want to buy any more NES games.
Not too different from slicing and dicing the NES set any other way. If your "full set" list doesn't include Mah Jong, Garage Cart, NWC, and Tailgate Party: Limited Edition it's just a list of the games you want to collect like everybody else's personal list
If everything that fits in an NES and boots up is included, then no one has a full set. I mean, the Minnesota State Lottery cart might still be floating around somewhere.
Though it hasn't stopped dudes like DreamTR from trying.
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is.
I like that. I've decided for myself that a full set is the exact list of games that I currently have, because I don't want to buy any more NES games.
Not too different from slicing and dicing the NES set any other way. If your "full set" list doesn't include Mah Jong, Garage Cart, NWC, and Tailgate Party: Limited Edition it's just a list of the games you want to collect like everybody else's personal list
If everything that fits in an NES and boots up is included, then no one has a full set. I mean, the Minnesota State Lottery cart might still be floating around somewhere.
Though it hasn't stopped dudes like DreamTR from trying.
It's a hard job, but someone has to do it. Speaking of which, is Console Killer part of the full set of anything that boots up in an NES? It doesn't boot up, but it also works as intended. It's hard to say.
If everything that fits in an NES and boots up is included, then no one has a full set.
right. Just like Atari 2600
People have to decide for themselves what a full set is.
I like that. I've decided for myself that a full set is the exact list of games that I currently have, because I don't want to buy any more NES games.
Not too different from slicing and dicing the NES set any other way. If your "full set" list doesn't include Mah Jong, Garage Cart, NWC, and Tailgate Party: Limited Edition it's just a list of the games you want to collect like everybody else's personal list
If everything that fits in an NES and boots up is included, then no one has a full set. I mean, the Minnesota State Lottery cart might still be floating around somewhere.
Though it hasn't stopped dudes like DreamTR from trying.
It's a hard job, but someone has to do it. Speaking of which, is Console Killer part of the full set of anything that boots up in an NES? It doesn't boot up, but it also works as intended. It's hard to say.
Must be tested to ensure it's legit.
If everything that fits in an NES and boots up is included, then no one has a full set.
right. Just like Atari 2600
IMHO a full set shouldn't be determined by how many people can have one.
IMHO a full set shouldn't be determined by how many people can have one.
Then it just becomes an academic concept, and people will gravitate towards sets that are achievable.