Wii U kiosk and the mystery ubuntu silver box - I have access to the files, demos, client updates, i

I recently picked up a Wii U kiosk, and I apoligize if I missed this info but Im trying to solve 2 mysteries with it. Paid about $150 CAD total for everything (the kiosk was free, this was the cost of the truck rental and expenses), and it came with the demo unit and TV. It`s totally complete, minus one side led and one back white poster bar, also included the acrylic which isnt in the pics as its being cleaned and a black back poster.



Now on to where I need some info. Ive been searching in the forums and on google trying to figure out the error message Im getting when trying to load 3 of the demos. Ive posted a pic for reference. In addition there is a silver box that has a ton of usb inputs, and is basically like a computer. When hooked up it shows the ubuntu screen in the pics as well. From all I can research this was used initally to show videos, I was hoping someone had more insight or how to unlock it to be used. Is this silver box rare, is it a total paperweight or can it be salvaged for historical purposes. Is it just some random trash the guy had in there, id really love some help.
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  • I've never seen the silver box before, that's really cool. Perhaps you could make a boot usb for the newest ubuntu version that was out at the time of the box's manufacture. This could perhaps bring you to the entirety of what is on the little silver computer. DO NOT install ubuntu, it will ask you. Just try it and see if you can get any of the files that may be on it off the silver box or perhaps that would be what it needs to boot. Does the silver box hook up to the wii u console at all? It doesn't look like it, but would be neat.



    I don't really know a lot about the errors. Perhaps its just corrupted data and it needs to be reinstalled using the demo discs that were given to these stores.
  • There is a loose usb cable hanging down where the box was sitting when I opened it. I tried plugging the usb in to see if that is what the error message was referring to, thinking maybe it was some kind of external hard drive. I wasnt until I hooked up the loose hdmi cable in the kiosk to the back and switched inputs did I see the ubuntu screen. Ive been trying to figure out how the puzzle fits together. When I plugged in the usb cable to one of the inputs a red lights started flashing above the green but nothing changed.



    This kiosk seems to be an older version as it doesn`t seem to have any of the fancy artwork Ive seen on others that are more recent. It was taken out of a Future Shop here in Canada shortly after the Wii U released when they were closing down. From some older posts Ive read on other forums people have pictures of this screen in Ebgames when the kiosk first came out and there were claims the intial demo units were dummies, the original videos shown when the kiosks first came out ran off ubuntu so Nintendo didnt have to pay microsoft to use windows to show videos. That leads me to speculate this might be a box that was never removed when the working demo unit was installed (my unit is fully functional). I was hoping someone found a similar one and had more knowledge, the loose usb and hdmi cables with the other pics Ive seen seem to rule out its random junk the previous guy left in it.



    http://wiiubrew.org/wiki/Kiosks
  • Interesting, could nintendo have used a custom Ubuntu install? It would be good to make an hdd clone off the hard drive and see what files are stored in it.
  • Took me a bit to get it open, this is what was inside. Looks like a laptop drive, can this be hooked up to a pc, or does it need a HDD caddy as I dont own a laptop.
  • It's probably sata, so it can be hooked up to any desktop or laptop. Sata to USB adapters also exist.
  • It's definitely SATA after googling the model number. Standard 2.5" SATA drive, USB adapters can be had for $10 or so. You'd want a more proper caddy or dock if you plan to do more than just poke around with it. But a loose adapter is probably good enough for a quick analysis. If it's formatted as EXT3/4, ZFS, etc., you'll need to mount it within a linux distribution.
  • Never seen the silver box before. Mine is 100% complete and doesn't have it.



    Freaking awesome deal at $150!!!
  • Originally posted by: barrelsAndRivets



    It's definitely SATA after googling the model number. Standard 2.5" SATA drive, USB adapters can be had for $10 or so. You'd want a more proper caddy or dock if you plan to do more than just poke around with it. But a loose adapter is probably good enough for a quick analysis. If it's formatted as EXT3/4, ZFS, etc., you'll need to mount it within a linux distribution.

    Im not super computer literate, how would I go about that. I dabbled in clonezilla this afternoon and go paranoid about messing my comp up while in the program.

    This is the kind of stuff I could find when I searched online about what the box is and what might be on it:



    http://www.cubed3.com/news/17568/1/rumour-wii-u-demo-booths-running-ubuntu.html



    Here is what the box actually is



    https://www.viatech.com/en/systems/industrial-fanless-pcs/amos-3002/



    It pretty much confirms that this box appears to be what ran the kiosk the weeks leading up to the wii u release, when they didnt want the actual unit getting stolen and leaked. I just wish I had the usb key, is it specific to each unit or generic, as that would make this a whole lot easier. If anyone lives near Hamilton, Ontario, Canada and has the skills to dig into whats on this shoot me a message.



    UPDATE: Made a boot usb stick, and this new screen pops up after reading the stick before it goes to the ubuntu screen again.

     
  • Tried working on this again after a long break, posted on gbatemp and discord to try and get further advice as I really want to try and figure out what the box is for and will it fix some dead demos on my console. Setup the silver box a bit differently, it appears that when connected to my Wii U demo console by usb cord and the ethernet is plugged in, it logs into the silver box and the silver box lands on this Wii U splash screen. Anyone have any ideas on how to view what is on the hard drive from this point? I haven't tried hooking up a usb keyboard or opening the Wii U console to see if it is different than others I've seen in videos. Ignore the mess with the kiosk, I took everything out.
  • I would say it's for troubleshooting. They would either hit ALT+F2 to get to the command line or it probably opens a network connection where they can remote into it to do maintenance. I've seen that many times, they use Raspberry Pis now.
  • So would it be likely the HDD the demo console is asking for that contains the demos that are crashing has been lost along the way, and the drive in this box wouldn't contain them. Half my demos work, half give a USB hard drive error as per the picture at the top. I was hoping in the time since I've posted about this someone else has come across this type of demo unit, the serial on the menu mentions PC, and know how all the parts fit together and what I'm missing to make it 100% working.
  • After some tinkering I confirmed my demo console is the key required to unlock the box. When the usb cord is plugged in from the console, it unlocks it, when I unplug it it goes right back to being locked. If the box was used to update the console that would be weird because I thought they were all done by disc. I dont think this console even has a functioning disc drive, a disc wont even go into the slot, like the slot is blocked off inside. Maybe the console is really some kind of weird pc hybrid that was used to play demos before actual systems, I'll look into opening it this weekend to see what is inside. Starting to think the demos that are dead will be staying dead, bleh, they were some of the best ones like Mario Party, Smash and Captain Toad.
  • Well, opened the TV bezel and found the USB key for the box. I'm sure you're correct, thanks for the help.
  • Cool pickup!



    If the machine has an encrypted drive, mounting the drive from a USB live OS won't do much because you'll still need the password to unlock the drive.



    Personally, I'd boot the machine and attempt to get to grub by interrupting the boot process (use a keyboard to do this). From there you can boot into the kernel and bypass the need for a root login... and from there you can edit the shadow file if you want (shadow contains the root password hash, so you can reset it to nothing which would give you total control over the machine...be VERY careful when editing the shadow file), or you can simply list the directories and find out what's on the machine. Resetting the shadow would probably allow you to bypass the need for that USB key, and then you'll always have full access/you can lock the box (computer) with a new password or do whatever you'd like.



    There are tutorials online that can help you do everything I just mentioned, just takes a bit of googling. Read, read, and read some more... and then read even more lol...



    Forgive me if anyone else has covered any of this or if you've gotten to a point beyond what I'd mentioned. I read the OP and just thought I'd toss my 2 cents in the ring.

    Best of luck, let me know if I can help.



    edit: I read more of the post. If the console is tenchnically hacked/ is a computer rather than a real console like you mentioned, or using some type of of sanity/password check to unlock the box then do NOT edit the root password in the shadow file... it may brick... If you do decide to go the route of editing the shadow file, copy down the hash so that you can at least restore it from the kernel at a later time.
  • Not beyond your point, but I'll have to read because you spoke another language lol. Initially I'm just looking to back the HD and key up in case there's anything worthwhile to save. I'm a big fan of preservation, so if this box has any relevance to the launch of my kiosk, it would be cool to find out exactly what it does/did beyond speculation and if it still works, even if it's just video player or used to update my demo console. Having it be some kind of early demo system for interactive media with the gamepad would also be cool as that could allow anyone with a kiosk but no demo console to add something to their setup. Any of those options would be useful to me
  • I hooked up the VGA to a small tv in case that was meant to somehow output something else. It crashed the video on login, game me an error screen because that put it in low res mode and my keyboard and mouse still worked. I managed to get a terminal open, The login is called multigame? I'm not at all comfortable in Linux, is there a way to check the files on the drive from here?


  • Good job.

    1) First command you're going to want to put in is "whoami"

    Hit enter and record the results. This may tell you something about the user. If you are in fact not root, you can check your privilege level by seeing step 3 here, but first, let's find out exactly where you are in the computer:



    2) Next, enter "pwd" and hit enter. This stands for "print working directory". This will tell you exactly where you are in the computer. Record this result also.



    3) After that I'd type the following command: "sudo su"

    This is the super user command. If the command executes, you'll have full control over the computer. It may ask you for a password, in which case, if you don't know it, you will not be given super user privileges. But... you will know where you stand as a user...



    You'll be able to glean 3 things from this:

    1)your privilege level

    2) where you are exactly in the box

    3) whether you are truly root, or whether you are simply a user with/without Super User privileges



    There are two commands to be aware of now going forward to glean the information you want:

    "cd" - change directory - will allow you to change into a new directory. Will also put you into the parent directory of the current directory if only "cd" is used.. for now let's avoid moving around until we know where you are. We will skip this command for now.

    "ls" - list - will allow you to list all files in your current directory.



    You may also want to run the “w” command... just to see if any other users are technically logged in... just thought of that...



    Record the results and get back to me
  • Here it is, so it looks like I dont know the password. I'll take a look, maybe its on the key or in the kiosk albeit unlikely.
  • Great. Okay so now we know 3 things:



    1) you're in the home directory

    2) you are not root

    3) you do have a password that (Might) attain super user privileges on the machine.... IF we can find the password haha.



    So next question: do you have any idea what the password could be, or where it may be stored?

    Would contacting the previous owner possibly be any help?



    A quick note: Ubuntu Desktop/Ubuntu Server/Ubuntu Core can all be used to build a kiosk machine.

    Let's find out what version of the software we are running:



    Type the following commands and record all of their outputs.



    uname

    (Press enter)

    uname -r

    (Press enter)

    cat /etc/os-release

    (Press enter)



    ^ the IT guys are gunna shred me for having you run all of these commands when we can glean most of what we need from a single command... butttt... I'm using so many to reduce correspondence redundancy (we have no idea which version of Ubuntu this is just yet  



    Get back to me with results:



    2 answers:



    1) can we possibly locate the password?

    2) what are the outputs from the commands I've asked you to run.
  • This is what it output, I wasnt sure if there was supposed to be a space after cat but I did it anyways. There doesn’t seem to be a limit to the amount of wrong guesses, I’ll keep trying for a little. I would guess most companies would keep it something related to the store or kiosk, in this case the last 3 digits are 280. There’s also a barcode on the USB that is different than the name in the terminal, that might also be a clue. It’s also possible whoever used it last made their own and I have zero chance to guess it lol.
  • You mentioned something very interesting in prior posts:



    1) this appears to be a kiosk setup that went out just prior to release

    2) many people who own this kiosk have never seen the silver box

    3) the CD port is blocked...



    If this silver box was in fact used to run updates on the console, it would make perfect sense, and here's why very simply:

    It's be a LOT harder to swipe a full computer from the kiosk and copy down a locked version of Ubuntu to a new hard drive ... and then turn it into a usable system (pass the hash type hacks may work against the shadow file, but there's no telling what's in that console unless you break it open and check the circuitry... maybe the console/silver box acts as some sort of double gatekeeper so that the units cannot be stolen/abused).

    ^i references the possibility of this in my prior post without going into a heavy level of detail... and if my above point is correct, it would be VERY cool and worthwhile to the historical aspect of data preservation to simply clone this harddrive and have it preserved for years to come. (Although I will say one thing about preservation... it would behoove ANYONE who makes copies of data to make sure they're written to solid state media, vs optical. Example: if you preserved a poem you wrote on a CD, 300 yrs from now, you can try all you want... that CD probably won't load as optical media degrades with time to an un-functioning state. Solid state media, and usb drives may degrade over time, but here's the difference.... if a usb drive degrades... you may not be able to write more data to the usb... but you will ALWAYS be able to read from what is on that usb).

    * keep this in mind ALWAYS when preserving data.. CDs are no gos for me



      again my 2 cents... and sorry for double posting...
  • How would this connect to the console? How can I see the files on the hard drive. It does make sense that they placed the key deep in the kiosk so if you stole the box it wasn't crackable. I'm interested to see if it's been wiped or if the missing demos on the console are on the box. I'm still not sure how the box and console would connect. I only see one unused USB port on the back of the console.
  • So to answer your question over how it may connect to the console:

    Serial port

    USB (data in, data out, power in, power out... that's why there's 4 little metallic tabs on every usb)

    Etc..

    There could be a number of ways it happened for the guys who ran maintenance on these machines, and the only way to know would be to crack both of them open and put them side by side.



    Now onto your questions about copying down the hard drive:

    If the hard drive can be removed from the silver box, you can check the connection ports (it's a SATA drive from 2012 with 320GB of space), and buy an adapter on amazon to get it hooked up to, and mounted to another machine.



    If this is the route you want to go:

    I'd actually recommend getting a raspberry pi with raspbian installed on it.

    Hookup the silver box drive to the raspberry pi.

    Hookup a blank EXT formatted drive of the same volume to the same raspberry pi.

    Mount the silver box drive

    Mount the newly formatted blank drive

    Use gparted on the raspberry pi (a partition editing program, built into raspbian OS) to copy down the exact partitions of the silver drive into the blank one.

    Once you have a direct copy, you can unmount the silver box drive and know that it is safe.

    Now you'll have a copy of the drive on that blank one you hooked up... and you'll be able to poke and prove effectively without worrying over erasing a potentially early/prototype piece of equipment for that console.



    There are MANY tutorials online to doing what I just stated you can do.

    The process will be tedious but absolutely possible.

    I'll keep helping as I can
  • The hard drive comes out, it's a laptop. I'll have to double check the connections, it would make sense if some of the demos were on the silver box, theres a lot of demos on the kiosk, more than what would normally be which again makes sense if the 320gb on the box was used to store half the demos. There's a bunch of heavy hitters, smash, Mario party, Mario 3D world, new Mario U, wonderful 101, captain toad and a few more on top of a bunch of game previews. It would be amazing to get the ones not working up and running. I'll poke around the drive to see if it's worth copying.
  • In response to your posts:



    We have some good news! It's unlikely that the silver hard drive was wiped and rewritten for on reason:

    The cat /etc/os-release command failed. This command would only work in newer versions of Ubuntu... which is why I asked you to record the result.



    Try the following command and tell me the output:

    lsb_release -a
  • Here it is, I’m guessing this is the version it’s running. Also, I got folders working. I was able to go to the very top in folder mode. There's 224gb free of a 320gb drive, so I would guess there's almost 100gb of stuff floating around? I sorted the folders by size but there must be hidden files. Also, I was able to go up one level and these are all the profiles, although I was told a few times I dont have permissions, also says the HD isnt a mountable file system when I click on it.



    Update: found some possibly interesting stuff. Found folders that look interesting, demos, firware and client updates, demos and they have sizeable files in them, also found an .xml file that appears to order the files on the console.
  • 1st question: when exactly do you get the "not a mountable filesystem" error... what are you doing exactly to cause that error.



    2nd, that's great, you're running Ubuntu 10.xx. Now we know what we are dealing with, and the release date for that OS corresponds with the timeframe (somewhat) of the hard drive.





    Have you discovered any useful files or demo type files that you can identify after poking around?
  • Awesome! That XML may provide a map to the hard drive. Let me ask. Can you copy and paste any of the demo files into another folder? (Crossing fingers that you can... this will make moving them off the hd much easier lol)
  • My heart warms remembering Lucid. That's the first version of Ubuntu I took seriously.



    Best of luck OP! Hope you bring it back to life.
  • Nice!! I see some WUMAD files in there. Those, I'm pretty sure but could be wrong, are developer files.

    This kiosk may be a CAT-R unit??(I really don't know for sure).



    Maybe this thread can help you get in touch with someone who can help!:

    https://assemblergames.com/threads/wii-u-dev-unit.58951/
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