Have you play Flintstones SADP? It's not really that much fun.
I actually really enjoy the game. Doesn't mean I want a fake copy but just saying
I wanted and found a fake copy, a Supervision Pirate from the early 90's. Hate on me all you want but it's something obscure in my collection that I really enjoy. Fun game.
not even close to the same thing. I mean solder some shit on a board and slap a label on it in my garage
Flintstones actually is a decent platformer. Its not that hard, but its hardly a bad game. People who think its bad either A) dont like platformers Just repeat what they hear acting as if they play it.
The second hockey game can eat me. Other then that yeah, I enjoy it quite a bit. More than Little Samson
Have you play Flintstones SADP? It's not really that much fun.
I actually really enjoy the game. Doesn't mean I want a fake copy but just saying
I wanted and found a fake copy, a Supervision Pirate from the early 90's. Hate on me all you want but it's something obscure in my collection that I really enjoy. Fun game.
not even close to the same thing. I mean solder some shit on a board and slap a label on it in my garage
Flintstones actually is a decent platformer. Its not that hard, but its hardly a bad game. People who think its bad either A) dont like platformers Just repeat what they hear acting as if they play it.
......or C) Just don't think it is that much fun. Especially for that price tag. Just my opinion.
If you stop calling them reproductions and just call them fakes/bootlegs then I'm fine with it. I think it's completely idiotic to pay more than $10 or whatever for fake shit and other bootlegs, but if you want to waste your money on this stuff that's your prerogative. I'm not going to call them anything other than fake games though, so don't expect me to play along with calling them "reproductions" as that is factually not an accurate term.
A "Reproduction" has a very specific meaning when it comes to collectables, and 99.99% of what people are calling reproductions are not reproductions. A true reproduction must have the blessing of the IP owner in one form or another, it is a licensed product (or the IP is in public domain). Home made carts with fan translations, hacks, etc are also not fucking reproductions as they never existed as a legitimate product in the first place.
In this hobby you can basically count on one hand the number of true reproductions that have been sold over the years:
Gold Duck Tales lunchbox
Street Fighter II "30th anniversary" edition (upcoming)
Cheetamen II fixed version - although there have been questions if Greg Pabish (sp?) really did own the rights to Active enterprises.
Super Noahs Ark 3d - Piko version...the guy who got banned from here and supposdely purchased the rights to make them from Wisdom Tree?
If you stop calling them reproductions and just call them fakes/bootlegs then I'm fine with it. I think it's completely idiotic to pay more than $10 or whatever for fake shit and other bootlegs, but if you want to waste your money on this stuff that's your prerogative. I'm not going to call them anything other than fake games though, so don't expect me to play along with calling them "reproductions" as that is factually not an accurate term.
A "Reproduction" has a very specific meaning when it comes to collectables, and 99.99% of what people are calling reproductions are not reproductions. A true reproduction must have the blessing of the IP owner in one form or another, it is a licensed product (or the IP is in public domain). Home made carts with fan translations, hacks, etc are also not fucking reproductions as they never existed as a legitimate product in the first place.
In this hobby you can basically count on one hand the number of true reproductions that have been sold over the years:
Gold Duck Tales lunchbox
Street Fighter II "30th anniversary" edition (upcoming)
Cheetamen II fixed version - although there have been questions if Greg Pabish (sp?) really did own the rights to Active enterprises.
Super Noahs Ark 3d - Piko version...the guy who got banned from here and supposdely purchased the rights to make them from Wisdom Tree?
Agreed. Poor choice of wording on my part. Replica would be a little more grammatically correct.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
Some of you may not agree, and that's fine since I value and respect your opinions as collectors, but the only bootlegs I collect are those old 150-in-1 type of carts, not this 1:1 crap. They look too much like the originals, can easily be mistaken for originals, and overall I don't like 'em.
If someone wants to play on real hardware rather than being scrunched up at a PC, then get one of those multi-carts or everdrives. If you want to collect, then COLLECT-- if you're paying 80+ for a damn bootleg, you might as well save up a bit more and dish out the money for a real one... and that is if the person selling it to ya isn't screwing you over since they thought it was real because the damn thing got circulated in.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
no. that's like bragging about being flush with cash and waving around $100 bills you printed yourself.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
Might as well call your flash cart a "full set" if you are ok with counting bootlegs and fakes.
I don't have a "flash cart"? But I get it. Everyone has an opinion. Sorry to derail the OP topic.
I wasn't referring to you specifically, just these knuckleheads that want to play pretend and say that fake games count towards their "full set". I guess these posers can't trick people into believing they have a full set with a flash cart like they can with a shelf full of fakes.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
Ok, I've read through this thread, kept seeing it pop up as new posts came in and kept my mouth shut to this point (and probably still should), but enough.
If a game isn't an original, be it licensed or unlicensed, created by the original manufacturer (gold Duck Tales, SF2 30th Anniv., etc. would still count), it's fake. Call it a pirate, call it phony, bootleg, whatever, it's fake. It doesn't matter if it was only released in Europe, Japan, etc. and now somebody is creating their own, non-original version--it's fake. That even goes for retroUSB's stuff, as cool as it is/was and as obvious as it is that they're not the real deal. Amazingly, I agree with pegboy 100% on this point. If you're not licensed to do so, you're not "reproducing" anything, you're pirating. And you know what? That's fine. I'm not coming out in judgement over fake/pirate/whatever carts, just calling a spade a spade here.
In regard to having appreciation for someone's collection...collecting isn't difficult. At all. Especially if you're just whipping out your checkbook, which is virtually the only way that somebody could snag 821 games in a short amount of time. You can argue whether it's more or less rewarding to do it that way, whether you're a "real" collector if you just suddenly plunk down your cash for most of a set (or a whole set), but that's immaterial to my reply. Collecting can be time consuming, but it isn't really hard, not in this day and age, where you can quickly get to most collectibles instantly just by going online and most of the rest by doing so repeatedly, with a bit of patience.
Putting together a near-complete set of 821 games and having 5 bootlegs/fakes/etc. in your set doesn't mean you'd have a "full set of bootlegs." Only having every cart would qualify it as such, just like you'd only accept a real "full set" as consisting of cartridges actually and originally produced and released by the original licensees/manufacturers/etc. Going 821/826 is (or at least can be) kind of impressive. Having 5 bootlegs that the collector in question didn't want to track down on the shelf doesn't disqualify that achievement, not any more than having a Euro SE would totally disqualify someone's "complete" NTSC-based NES set. The Euro SE is more "real" than an outright bootleg, but it's still not necessarily correct for a set (NTSC sets being the most commonly chased). And having the retroUSB NWC sitting on the shelf, while a fake, certainly wouldn't tarnish the othe 821 original carts on the shelf in any way, so why would 5 other non-original releases? Heck, one of those might be "Pirate Booty," which retroUSB released, and could take the place of the Panesians in someone's set.
I'm not saying someone's right in saying they've got a full set when they've got bootlegs or carts that don't belong in a particular set (finishing a US/NTSC set with a Euro SE, for example), but they certainly don't deserve to be disregarded so harshly as you seem to be immediately willing to. Maybe they're placeholders until the collector finally gets their shot at the tough to buy titles. I'm still chasing some of the biggest titles and I don't particularly want placeholders on my shelf, but I certainly won't begrudge someone their accomplishment because they've got those 5 carts on their shelf. If you wouldn't spit on someone who was 5 shy of having all games released everywhere, there's no sense at all in verbally spitting in the face of someone who did exactly that...but filled up the last 5 slots with non-original carts and didn't try to claim they did otherwise.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
Ok, I've read through this thread, kept seeing it pop up as new posts came in and kept my mouth shut to this point (and probably still should), but enough.
If a game isn't an original, be it licensed or unlicensed, created by the original manufacturer (gold Duck Tales, SF2 30th Anniv., etc. would still count), it's fake. Call it a pirate, call it phony, bootleg, whatever, it's fake. It doesn't matter if it was only released in Europe, Japan, etc. and now somebody is creating their own, non-original version--it's fake. That even goes for retroUSB's stuff, as cool as it is/was and as obvious as it is that they're not the real deal. Amazingly, I agree with pegboy 100% on this point. If you're not licensed to do so, you're not "reproducing" anything, you're pirating. And you know what? That's fine. I'm not coming out in judgement over fake/pirate/whatever carts, just calling a spade a spade here.
In regard to having appreciation for someone's collection...collecting isn't difficult. At all. Especially if you're just whipping out your checkbook, which is virtually the only way that somebody could snag 821 games in a short amount of time. You can argue whether it's more or less rewarding to do it that way, whether you're a "real" collector if you just suddenly plunk down your cash for most of a set (or a whole set), but that's immaterial to my reply. Collecting can be time consuming, but it isn't really hard, not in this day and age, where you can quickly get to most collectibles instantly just by going online and most of the rest by doing so repeatedly, with a bit of patience.
Putting together a near-complete set of 821 games and having 5 bootlegs/fakes/etc. in your set doesn't mean you'd have a "full set of bootlegs." Only having every cart would qualify it as such, just like you'd only accept a real "full set" as consisting of cartridges actually and originally produced and released by the original licensees/manufacturers/etc. Going 821/826 is (or at least can be) kind of impressive. Having 5 bootlegs that the collector in question didn't want to track down on the shelf doesn't disqualify that achievement, not any more than having a Euro SE would totally disqualify someone's "complete" NTSC-based NES set. The Euro SE is more "real" than an outright bootleg, but it's still not necessarily correct for a set (NTSC sets being the most commonly chased). And having the retroUSB NWC sitting on the shelf, while a fake, certainly wouldn't tarnish the othe 821 original carts on the shelf in any way, so why would 5 other non-original releases? Heck, one of those might be "Pirate Booty," which retroUSB released, and could take the place of the Panesians in someone's set.
I'm not saying someone's right in saying they've got a full set when they've got bootlegs or carts that don't belong in a particular set (finishing a US/NTSC set with a Euro SE, for example), but they certainly don't deserve to be disregarded so harshly as you seem to be immediately willing to. Maybe they're placeholders until the collector finally gets their shot at the tough to buy titles. I'm still chasing some of the biggest titles and I don't particularly want placeholders on my shelf, but I certainly won't begrudge someone their accomplishment because they've got those 5 carts on their shelf. If you wouldn't spit on someone who was 5 shy of having all games released everywhere, there's no sense at all in verbally spitting in the face of someone who did exactly that...but filled up the last 5 slots with non-original carts and didn't try to claim they did otherwise.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
You can collect whatever you want. And some people collect vintage pirate/bootleg carts.
You just have to be honest with yourself. Do you really want to have a fake Flintstones or Little Samson in your collection? Are they placeholders? Are they so you can say, "well, I KINDA have a complete collection"?
If you just want to play the games, a Powerpak/Everdrive does the same thing, and it uses the original console.
If you just don't want to pay the money, that's cool, but you could build your own repros at that point instead of shelling out $80 or whatever for a fake Little Samson. I mean, why stop with one? There are a ton of games that are $200 and up.
Just don't try fooling yourself or anyone else. They are fakes.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
I see the pal SE in place of a North American one more often. Can't say I've seen someone with a complete set minus the top rares in favor of fakes. It's usually the "I need a cart or else I can't play it" folks
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
I see the pal SE in place of a North American one more often.
I've seen that more than once as well. Understandable, but still not a full set (and why not just get WCTM and save a couple hundred if you're doing that? )
Lots of kids on Youtube though flood the videos about repro labels (like on Pat's channel) with, "well, I can't afford Little Samson, so why can't I buy a repro? I'm never selling it!" Granted, some are trolls, but I can't help think some have considered it.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
I don't claim to have a full set but I'm open about the fact that I own repros. And I know some people think it's weird because I do have some actual high dollar games. Meh.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
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Have you play Flintstones SADP? It's not really that much fun.
I actually really enjoy the game. Doesn't mean I want a fake copy but just saying
I wanted and found a fake copy, a Supervision Pirate from the early 90's. Hate on me all you want but it's something obscure in my collection that I really enjoy. Fun game.
not even close to the same thing. I mean solder some shit on a board and slap a label on it in my garage
Flintstones actually is a decent platformer. Its not that hard, but its hardly a bad game. People who think its bad either A) dont like platformers
The second hockey game can eat me. Other then that yeah, I enjoy it quite a bit. More than Little Samson
Have you play Flintstones SADP? It's not really that much fun.
I actually really enjoy the game. Doesn't mean I want a fake copy but just saying
I wanted and found a fake copy, a Supervision Pirate from the early 90's. Hate on me all you want but it's something obscure in my collection that I really enjoy. Fun game.
not even close to the same thing. I mean solder some shit on a board and slap a label on it in my garage
Flintstones actually is a decent platformer. Its not that hard, but its hardly a bad game. People who think its bad either A) dont like platformers
......or C) Just don't think it is that much fun. Especially for that price tag. Just my opinion.
A "Reproduction" has a very specific meaning when it comes to collectables, and 99.99% of what people are calling reproductions are not reproductions. A true reproduction must have the blessing of the IP owner in one form or another, it is a licensed product (or the IP is in public domain). Home made carts with fan translations, hacks, etc are also not fucking reproductions as they never existed as a legitimate product in the first place.
In this hobby you can basically count on one hand the number of true reproductions that have been sold over the years:
Gold Duck Tales lunchbox
Street Fighter II "30th anniversary" edition (upcoming)
Cheetamen II fixed version - although there have been questions if Greg Pabish (sp?) really did own the rights to Active enterprises.
Super Noahs Ark 3d - Piko version...the guy who got banned from here and supposdely purchased the rights to make them from Wisdom Tree?
If you stop calling them reproductions and just call them fakes/bootlegs then I'm fine with it. I think it's completely idiotic to pay more than $10 or whatever for fake shit and other bootlegs, but if you want to waste your money on this stuff that's your prerogative. I'm not going to call them anything other than fake games though, so don't expect me to play along with calling them "reproductions" as that is factually not an accurate term.
A "Reproduction" has a very specific meaning when it comes to collectables, and 99.99% of what people are calling reproductions are not reproductions. A true reproduction must have the blessing of the IP owner in one form or another, it is a licensed product (or the IP is in public domain). Home made carts with fan translations, hacks, etc are also not fucking reproductions as they never existed as a legitimate product in the first place.
In this hobby you can basically count on one hand the number of true reproductions that have been sold over the years:
Gold Duck Tales lunchbox
Street Fighter II "30th anniversary" edition (upcoming)
Cheetamen II fixed version - although there have been questions if Greg Pabish (sp?) really did own the rights to Active enterprises.
Super Noahs Ark 3d - Piko version...the guy who got banned from here and supposdely purchased the rights to make them from Wisdom Tree?
Agreed. Poor choice of wording on my part. Replica would be a little more grammatically correct.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
If someone wants to play on real hardware rather than being scrunched up at a PC, then get one of those multi-carts or everdrives. If you want to collect, then COLLECT-- if you're paying 80+ for a damn bootleg, you might as well save up a bit more and dish out the money for a real one... and that is if the person selling it to ya isn't screwing you over since they thought it was real because the damn thing got circulated in.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
no. that's like bragging about being flush with cash and waving around $100 bills you printed yourself.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
Might as well call your flash cart a "full set" if you are ok with counting bootlegs and fakes.
I don't have a "flash cart"? But I get it. Everyone has an opinion. Sorry to derail the OP topic.
Might as well call your flash cart a "full set" if you are ok with counting bootlegs and fakes.
I don't have a "flash cart"? But I get it. Everyone has an opinion. Sorry to derail the OP topic.
I wasn't referring to you specifically, just these knuckleheads that want to play pretend and say that fake games count towards their "full set". I guess these posers can't trick people into believing they have a full set with a flash cart like they can with a shelf full of fakes.
Someone wrote on a reproduction / pirate cart thread somewhere that "no one will take your collection seriously" if you have pirate carts. Is this true? Never in my life have I looked at someone's collection of games and said you have some pirate stuff you are not a real collector / gamer. I say buy what ever you want, play what you like and be an informed consumer if you are paying any significant amount of money for anything in your hobby. I learned this lesson the hard way as I have personally purchased a Snow Bros cart from a used book store in town many years back. When I took in my games to a local retro game store for his Facebook photos he advised me that I had a fake copy. Ben even took the time to show me several ways to spot a fake / reproduction cart in the future. I wasn't really that upset and more appreciated the education I received for the future. Did I get taken / hornswoggled?? Yes and No. Yes, I paid for a cart that I thought was real and eventually had to replace it and No, because I received hours of enjoyment from playing the cart and I still owned a Snow Bros cart fake or not it was there in my hands.
Now, I know some are thinking you would be super upset if it was a NWC, or Stadium Events cart that you paid thousands rather than Snow Bros 2010 price. and yes, I would be very upset however I would be upset with myself for not doing the research and getting others involved in the authentication process before making that investment.
Please note I am not supporting the reproductions being marketed as real or the fraudulent practices of sellers trying to take advantage of collectors. But I can't say I really care if some company is making and marketing pirate carts as reproductions and putting them up for sale.
Just an opinion. Off topic..sorry
That was me.
And I was referring to somone trying to present their collection as legit when all they had was repros.
If someone told me "I have a full NES set! Wanna see?"
and I went over and all I saw was reproductions of expensive games I would to their face tell them that " this isnt a full set, its a partial set with fakes"
do they care what I think? Maybe not. Does anyone care what I think? Doubt it.
But bring that same set infront of the collecting community, and I bet over 90% will agree with me.
My apology Mr. Wunderful, I didnt know that was your quote and I mostly agree with your above assessment. If you boast about having a compelte "licensed" or "Original" set then by all means I would assume that everything is original. However, if you tell me you have a full set of NES games (679,714 or 826??...I think) and some are replicas do you not still have a full set? I (as i'm sure most others) would admire an original (non-replica) set more than a set with replicas but I still admire the person who took the time to put a full set together.
I consider myself a player and collector. However, i'll never own originals of Stadium Events, NWC or any Panesian games (and if I didnt have Little Sampson from the early 2000's I would not own that as well) due to cost vs value in my opinion (still on the fence for Flintstones SADP). I guess I would consider my NES collection as a full set with those replicas. Just my thoughts.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
Ok, I've read through this thread, kept seeing it pop up as new posts came in and kept my mouth shut to this point (and probably still should), but enough.
If a game isn't an original, be it licensed or unlicensed, created by the original manufacturer (gold Duck Tales, SF2 30th Anniv., etc. would still count), it's fake. Call it a pirate, call it phony, bootleg, whatever, it's fake. It doesn't matter if it was only released in Europe, Japan, etc. and now somebody is creating their own, non-original version--it's fake. That even goes for retroUSB's stuff, as cool as it is/was and as obvious as it is that they're not the real deal. Amazingly, I agree with pegboy 100% on this point. If you're not licensed to do so, you're not "reproducing" anything, you're pirating. And you know what? That's fine. I'm not coming out in judgement over fake/pirate/whatever carts, just calling a spade a spade here.
In regard to having appreciation for someone's collection...collecting isn't difficult. At all. Especially if you're just whipping out your checkbook, which is virtually the only way that somebody could snag 821 games in a short amount of time. You can argue whether it's more or less rewarding to do it that way, whether you're a "real" collector if you just suddenly plunk down your cash for most of a set (or a whole set), but that's immaterial to my reply. Collecting can be time consuming, but it isn't really hard, not in this day and age, where you can quickly get to most collectibles instantly just by going online and most of the rest by doing so repeatedly, with a bit of patience.
Putting together a near-complete set of 821 games and having 5 bootlegs/fakes/etc. in your set doesn't mean you'd have a "full set of bootlegs." Only having every cart would qualify it as such, just like you'd only accept a real "full set" as consisting of cartridges actually and originally produced and released by the original licensees/manufacturers/etc. Going 821/826 is (or at least can be) kind of impressive. Having 5 bootlegs that the collector in question didn't want to track down on the shelf doesn't disqualify that achievement, not any more than having a Euro SE would totally disqualify someone's "complete" NTSC-based NES set. The Euro SE is more "real" than an outright bootleg, but it's still not necessarily correct for a set (NTSC sets being the most commonly chased). And having the retroUSB NWC sitting on the shelf, while a fake, certainly wouldn't tarnish the othe 821 original carts on the shelf in any way, so why would 5 other non-original releases? Heck, one of those might be "Pirate Booty," which retroUSB released, and could take the place of the Panesians in someone's set.
I'm not saying someone's right in saying they've got a full set when they've got bootlegs or carts that don't belong in a particular set (finishing a US/NTSC set with a Euro SE, for example), but they certainly don't deserve to be disregarded so harshly as you seem to be immediately willing to. Maybe they're placeholders until the collector finally gets their shot at the tough to buy titles. I'm still chasing some of the biggest titles and I don't particularly want placeholders on my shelf, but I certainly won't begrudge someone their accomplishment because they've got those 5 carts on their shelf. If you wouldn't spit on someone who was 5 shy of having all games released everywhere, there's no sense at all in verbally spitting in the face of someone who did exactly that...but filled up the last 5 slots with non-original carts and didn't try to claim they did otherwise.
The only full set you'd have is a full set of bootlegs.
I personally wouldn't take the time to admire someone for putting it together since anyone can do it. The idea and overall integrity behind collecting real stuff is because it's difficult. It's more journey than the destination.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
821 is quite the feat if it's in a short amount of time. 5 repro games isn't IMO. I've been collecting for 2 decades and only got around 400 carts myself.
If I ever had a near complete set in a small set of time, I'd feel that I could afford the 5 that are hard-hitters. I could also go for a EURO SE at least if it's a little more availible. Fake games just doesn't cut it as a "complete" set for me, and I just don't like how they're circulated in with the real ones.
ETA: 1:1 fake games. Stuff like Retro USB's NWC is fine IMO.
Ok, I've read through this thread, kept seeing it pop up as new posts came in and kept my mouth shut to this point (and probably still should), but enough.
If a game isn't an original, be it licensed or unlicensed, created by the original manufacturer (gold Duck Tales, SF2 30th Anniv., etc. would still count), it's fake. Call it a pirate, call it phony, bootleg, whatever, it's fake. It doesn't matter if it was only released in Europe, Japan, etc. and now somebody is creating their own, non-original version--it's fake. That even goes for retroUSB's stuff, as cool as it is/was and as obvious as it is that they're not the real deal. Amazingly, I agree with pegboy 100% on this point. If you're not licensed to do so, you're not "reproducing" anything, you're pirating. And you know what? That's fine. I'm not coming out in judgement over fake/pirate/whatever carts, just calling a spade a spade here.
In regard to having appreciation for someone's collection...collecting isn't difficult. At all. Especially if you're just whipping out your checkbook, which is virtually the only way that somebody could snag 821 games in a short amount of time. You can argue whether it's more or less rewarding to do it that way, whether you're a "real" collector if you just suddenly plunk down your cash for most of a set (or a whole set), but that's immaterial to my reply. Collecting can be time consuming, but it isn't really hard, not in this day and age, where you can quickly get to most collectibles instantly just by going online and most of the rest by doing so repeatedly, with a bit of patience.
Putting together a near-complete set of 821 games and having 5 bootlegs/fakes/etc. in your set doesn't mean you'd have a "full set of bootlegs." Only having every cart would qualify it as such, just like you'd only accept a real "full set" as consisting of cartridges actually and originally produced and released by the original licensees/manufacturers/etc. Going 821/826 is (or at least can be) kind of impressive. Having 5 bootlegs that the collector in question didn't want to track down on the shelf doesn't disqualify that achievement, not any more than having a Euro SE would totally disqualify someone's "complete" NTSC-based NES set. The Euro SE is more "real" than an outright bootleg, but it's still not necessarily correct for a set (NTSC sets being the most commonly chased). And having the retroUSB NWC sitting on the shelf, while a fake, certainly wouldn't tarnish the othe 821 original carts on the shelf in any way, so why would 5 other non-original releases? Heck, one of those might be "Pirate Booty," which retroUSB released, and could take the place of the Panesians in someone's set.
I'm not saying someone's right in saying they've got a full set when they've got bootlegs or carts that don't belong in a particular set (finishing a US/NTSC set with a Euro SE, for example), but they certainly don't deserve to be disregarded so harshly as you seem to be immediately willing to. Maybe they're placeholders until the collector finally gets their shot at the tough to buy titles. I'm still chasing some of the biggest titles and I don't particularly want placeholders on my shelf, but I certainly won't begrudge someone their accomplishment because they've got those 5 carts on their shelf. If you wouldn't spit on someone who was 5 shy of having all games released everywhere, there's no sense at all in verbally spitting in the face of someone who did exactly that...but filled up the last 5 slots with non-original carts and didn't try to claim they did otherwise.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Hey bud I respect your opinion. I just think 821 games with 5 replicas is an awesome and still difficult feat. Not everyone has the patience or has the means to do that. I personally want my collecting experience to be fun and enjoyable not difficult.
You can collect whatever you want. And some people collect vintage pirate/bootleg carts.
You just have to be honest with yourself. Do you really want to have a fake Flintstones or Little Samson in your collection? Are they placeholders? Are they so you can say, "well, I KINDA have a complete collection"?
If you just want to play the games, a Powerpak/Everdrive does the same thing, and it uses the original console.
If you just don't want to pay the money, that's cool, but you could build your own repros at that point instead of shelling out $80 or whatever for a fake Little Samson. I mean, why stop with one? There are a ton of games that are $200 and up.
Just don't try fooling yourself or anyone else. They are fakes.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
I see the pal SE in place of a North American one more often. Can't say I've seen someone with a complete set minus the top rares in favor of fakes. It's usually the "I need a cart or else I can't play it" folks
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
I see the pal SE in place of a North American one more often.
I've seen that more than once as well. Understandable, but still not a full set (and why not just get WCTM and save a couple hundred if you're doing that? )
Lots of kids on Youtube though flood the videos about repro labels (like on Pat's channel) with, "well, I can't afford Little Samson, so why can't I buy a repro? I'm never selling it!" Granted, some are trolls, but I can't help think some have considered it.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Okay. I just ordered some replica games on bigkidzone.com. $15.90 a piece. Splaterhouse, Ice Mario and Bananna Prince. Not ashamed at all. We'll see about quality.
Heck, I don't know. I just want to play NES games.
Again, though, that brings back the "just get a flashcart" argument, unless you're a collector of reproductions as well.
I just don't want to see counterfeit games in the market. If the label is significantly different or the cart an oddball color, that's fine, IMO.