I'd have to go with if your going to buy a repro, get a different colored cartridge. Hell I broke my nightmare on elm st. cartridge and I put the board in a new orange shell with a custom sticker and new security screws. I know the repro market is really a no-no for some people and a turn off. I own a couple of multi-carts but no repros and if I ever do buy one it's going to be in a completely different color than gray.
Just throwing out another opinion. I have no problem calling these things "reproductions". I mean, if someone took the time to make a quality cart, in a quality shell using quality components to make a normally $1,000 and sells it for $50, I get that. I say $50 because, although it's fake, if they took the time to do a good job making a copy, it's worth it for those who want quality copies.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
But.. is a repro of Stadium Events worth more than a repro of SMB/Duck Hunt? Um, no. Data isn't rare, it's original copies. If anyone is willing to pay more for a copy of rare game than a copy of a more common game then, well... ur doin it wrong.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Gotcha. I totally agree with you that a set that doesn't have 100% original carts is only a partial/near-complete set. Anyone can call their set "complete" even with repros included in place of real carts, but they'd always need to add in "all original save 5 [or however many] carts" every time they said it, otherwise they aren't being honest about it and potentially (even if unintentionally) misleading people they say it to. We can all go into the semantics of "every person decides what a 'complete' set is to them" (which has been discussed here in other threads), but when somebody says "I've got a complete set of NES carts," the most common take on that is the ful set (licensed + unlicensed, unless someone specifies) for the region that they're in or from. If you've got a partial set that's completed by fakes and you don't speak up to that point, you're being dishonest about what you've got.
Regarding the retroUSB stuff, yeah, totally, their stuff looks tons better than most bootlegs. And there are folks making repros who spend the time and care to make truly original looking releases (either 1:1 but marked as a repro somewhere or "1:1" of titles that didn't come out in certain regions) that are of immaculate quality. But in the realm of "is my whole collection legitimate," fakes are fakes, regardless of how much care went into their production, presentation, etc. Again, I'm not judging those who have or are making repros and certainly not the quality of anyone's products, just saying that on an even field, the well made and well denoted repros fall into the same category as the deliberate 1:1 fakes, old pirate carts, etc. As far as placeholders go, in the realm of flash carts I don't see the point of it personally either, but there are some folks who just have to have to have something on their shelf to hold that spot (perhaps because they specifically built storage for the exact complete set and want it to all sit properly, who knows) and I won't begrudge them their dust collectors.
As for the "difficulty" of collecting causing replicas to appear in the NES sphere...I don't buy that at all. Something being outside of the realm of what someone wants to pay for it doesn't mean that it's difficult to obtain, and thus justifying (or explaining) why exact replicas sprang into existence. While they don't come up quite as often, go look on eBay--you're going to fairly constantly find every single NES cart for sale, most available for immediate purchase via Buy It Now. At best, it's quasi-legitimately difficult to obtain, at most, a half dozen or so NES carts out of all that were ever produced (NTSC SE, Myriad 6-in-1, gray & gold NWC and maybe Mr. Gimmick come to mind).
Not being able to instantly pull the trigger on Stadium Events or an NWC (which still come up reasonably often these days) doesn't mean that they're really difficult to collect or get your hands on in this day and age, just not immediately affordable. To me, that's the error in your statement--not being able to afford something immediately doesn't mean that it's difficult to come by. I can't afford to go down to my local Chevy dealer and walk out with a Corvette, but the 5-6 that they've currently got on their lot (and the 5-10 in differing colors I've seen in that lot and a couple of others they operate) and hundreds, if not thousands, available elsewhere all over the country indicate that it's certainly not difficult to get. The best compromise between our two statements/views might be to say that it's difficult to collect quickly at reasonable prices.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Gotcha. I totally agree with you that a set that doesn't have 100% original carts is only a partial/near-complete set. Anyone can call their set "complete" even with repros included in place of real carts, but they'd always need to add in "all original save 5 [or however many] carts" every time they said it, otherwise they aren't being honest about it and potentially (even if unintentionally) misleading people they say it to. We can all go into the semantics of "every person decides what a 'complete' set is to them" (which has been discussed here in other threads), but when somebody says "I've got a complete set of NES carts," the most common take on that is the ful set (licensed + unlicensed, unless someone specifies) for the region that they're in or from. If you've got a partial set that's completed by fakes and you don't speak up to that point, you're being dishonest about what you've got.
Regarding the retroUSB stuff, yeah, totally, their stuff looks tons better than most bootlegs. And there are folks making repros who spend the time and care to make truly original looking releases (either 1:1 but marked as a repro somewhere or "1:1" of titles that didn't come out in certain regions) that are of immaculate quality. But in the realm of "is my whole collection legitimate," fakes are fakes, regardless of how much care went into their production, presentation, etc. Again, I'm not judging those who have or are making repros and certainly not the quality of anyone's products, just saying that on an even field, the well made and well denoted repros fall into the same category as the deliberate 1:1 fakes, old pirate carts, etc. As far as placeholders go, in the realm of flash carts I don't see the point of it personally either, but there are some folks who just have to have to have something on their shelf to hold that spot (perhaps because they specifically built storage for the exact complete set and want it to all sit properly, who knows) and I won't begrudge them their dust collectors.
As for the "difficulty" of collecting causing replicas to appear in the NES sphere...I don't buy that at all. Something being outside of the realm of what someone wants to pay for it doesn't mean that it's difficult to obtain, and thus justifying (or explaining) why exact replicas sprang into existence. While they don't come up quite as often, go look on eBay--you're going to fairly constantly find every single NES cart for sale, most available for immediate purchase via Buy It Now. At best, it's quasi-legitimately difficult to obtain, at most, a half dozen or so NES carts out of all that were ever produced (NTSC SE, Myriad 6-in-1, gray & gold NWC and maybe Mr. Gimmick come to mind).
Not being able to instantly pull the trigger on Stadium Events or an NWC (which still come up reasonably often these days) doesn't mean that they're really difficult to collect or get your hands on in this day and age, just not immediately affordable. To me, that's the error in your statement--not being able to afford something immediately doesn't mean that it's difficult to come by. I can't afford to go down to my local Chevy dealer and walk out with a Corvette, but the 5-6 that they've currently got on their lot (and the 5-10 in differing colors I've seen in that lot and a couple of others they operate) and hundreds, if not thousands, available elsewhere all over the country indicate that it's certainly not difficult to get. The best compromise between our two statements/views might be to say that it's difficult to collect quickly at reasonable prices.
Good points. I agree with the comprosise, but I still can't agree 100% about the error you stated I had (I guess that's because I'm overthinking the analogy) but I think I see your point. If you ain't got the money, that could be perceived as difficult, but it's not inherently difficult due to the abundance and accessibility of obtaining what we want (especially in this day in age).
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I'd only disagree in so much to say, it depends on when they started and how much time they are willing to sink into this. I mean, go over to GVN, go to the "Official" titles and sort by price. Also consider that the collector may not care so much about the condition for the rarer titles and with planning, time and dedication, you could acquire all but the top 5 or so, and save over 33% in cost.
Again, I know everyone is different but if I did, personally, want to go for a "complete" set of these games. It would be for personal motivation and not bragging rights and, before I'd even begun, I'd fully understand that it was going to take me a long time and that Stadium Events wasn't going to happen unless I one the collector "lottery" and found one in the wild. That or someone discovered an unopened shipping container of 10,000 of these things, sealed and put them all up on eBay.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Good points. I agree with the comprosise, but I still can't agree 100% about the error you stated I had (I guess that's because I'm overthinking the analogy) but I think I see your point. If you ain't got the money, that could be perceived as difficult, but it's not inherently difficult due to the abundance and accessibility of obtaining what we want (especially in this day in age).
Am I reading that correctly? If not, I'm sorry.
Thank you. And yeah, you read my intention correctly. At this point in time, primarily thanks to the internet, it's totally not difficult to collect all of the NES games that were released through normal distribution. It's even regularly possible to add things like the NWC to your collection, although you have to keep your eyes open and jump on the opportunity when it arrives.
Back in the 80s and 90s, it was a lot more difficult due to a lack of easy national distribution. You had what you had in your area and would have to travel to really see much of a difference in available titles. For a while, FuncoLand existed in some areas and apparently did have a "sell list" and could/would ship, but they were only useful if you knew about them and/or had one near you. Later on, GameStop took over, merging FuncoLand, Babbages & Software Etc. together under their banner, creating a stabilized pricing structure for classic games across the whole country, which was great. But you were nearly always subject to the availability of whatever happened to come into your store, either as a trade in or whatever happened to get shipped from corporate. Anecdotally, I asked my local GameStop to search out stock for certain titles I never saw locally and have them shipped into the store, but they always advised that they couldn't do that.
By the time the internet was starting its meteoric rise (beginning of widespread broadband), GameStop got out of the market. The difficulty in collecting most old systems vastly diminished (thank you eBay, Yahoo! Auctions, etc.), but prices went all over the place, pretty crazily in a lot of instances. Things were no longer tough to find in nearly all cases, but surging/changing pricing changed the game again, turning it into more of an economic issue than an availability/accessibility one.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
Replica bootlegs hurt the hobby. Flashcarts dont. I dont care about software piracy on a flashcart. Dont tell me ehat i should care about. Thanks
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
Not exactly. Just using Little Samson as an example, buying the original cart does not give any money to the developer takeru who is gone. Taito, the publisher, is owned by Square Enix, have they distributed this game in any way? No. Do they get money from someone buying a cart? No.
This would be different if we're talking something like Earthbound which can be purchased on virtual console.
I don't know exactly how the laws around it work, but in my opinion if the owner of the copyright for a game is not offering a way to legitimately play it, it becomes fair game.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer. Your opinion is embarrassing if so, and you are whats wrong with the hobby.
I can buy some parts, an inkjet printer, and finish my "collection" in a few weekends.
I can also masterbate instead of pursuing sex with my partner.
Life is full of choices, and coming to grips with what makes you happy. At least if you solder the fakes yourself, you can rejoice in the soldering experience you've gotten from it. Or you can line the pockets of the pirates and masterbate to your wall of counterfeit plastic. Your choice.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I replied to Pegboy. You came with smarmy asshole reply to me. You arent trying to be a jerk? but you sit their and mock me like my opinion is some old opinion thats not current? You sir came off like a jerk. I can assure you, my opinion is the majority opinion on bootleg pirates. And not by a little.
Fake games freaking suck, and those who support them suck in my book.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
Originally posted by: BigHero1006
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I replied to Pegboy. You came with smarmy asshole reply to me. You arent trying to be a jerk? but you sit their and mock me like my opinion is some old opinion thats not current? You sir came off like a jerk. I can assure you, my opinion is the majority opinion on bootleg pirates. And not by a little.
Fake games freaking suck, and those who support them suck in my book.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I'd only disagree in so much to say, it depends on when they started and how much time they are willing to sink into this. I mean, go over to GVN, go to the "Official" titles and sort by price. Also consider that the collector may not care so much about the condition for the rarer titles and with planning, time and dedication, you could acquire all but the top 5 or so, and save over 33% in cost.
Again, I know everyone is different but if I did, personally, want to go for a "complete" set of these games. It would be for personal motivation and not bragging rights and, before I'd even begun, I'd fully understand that it was going to take me a long time and that Stadium Events wasn't going to happen unless I one the collector "lottery" and found one in the wild. That or someone discovered an unopened shipping container of 10,000 of these things, sealed and put them all up on eBay.
If they've been in it for that long and haven't had a complete set, they'd probably just give up instead of putting fake placeholders in their collection.
The ones who want the fakes to "complete" their collections are the Johnny-come-latelies who expected games to be a quarter a piece and are shocked that some go for over $30. Those dudes are the ones who'll buy a fake game and convince themselves it's not.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
Quest-
I think you misunderstood my posting and acted out in anger. But whatever man. Thank you for the apology.
OP just buy a flashcart, the days of needing a bunch of fake carts to play on real hardware have been over for a long time. The price of a flash cart is not a ton of money and you would be saving money in the long run.
I honestly do not see why there is still a sizeable bootleg markets besides the scammers/fake collection people.
Flashcarts have become so cheap and add so many features, granted some titles do not work on flashcarts. You could buy those or wait for firmware updates to add them in.
Heck, I don't know. I just want to play NES games. These are carts I don't have. I don't really have a need to buy the replica NES cart of regular licensed games as I have a majority of them.
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete. Just an opinion.
As far as these games go, they are not part of the original NES library and I am curious about the game play so I made the purchase.
The post was to show that the carts were much less ($15.90 per cart) than what the OP posted he found at a local game store. As far as quality of the carts, only time will tell.
A plus is you can pick a cart color (red, blue, black, clear, gray etc.) so if you care about showing a difference from orginal to replica pick a different color cart.
When they arrive i'll share pics of outside, inside and game play if anyone would care about quality.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
Bolded above is the best part of quests post.
Bighero1006-
your post really came off like you were defending identical counterfeit replicas, and that "collecting NES is changing and identical replicas should be OK" not sure if thats what you meant, but it sure read that way- especially with your post about you "considering a few fakes a complete set"
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15.90 each, once you buy like 8 of them, it costs the same as a flash cart. A flash cart holds more than 8 games
Nope. $15.90 for one or more.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
But.. is a repro of Stadium Events worth more than a repro of SMB/Duck Hunt? Um, no. Data isn't rare, it's original copies. If anyone is willing to pay more for a copy of rare game than a copy of a more common game then, well... ur doin it wrong.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Gotcha. I totally agree with you that a set that doesn't have 100% original carts is only a partial/near-complete set. Anyone can call their set "complete" even with repros included in place of real carts, but they'd always need to add in "all original save 5 [or however many] carts" every time they said it, otherwise they aren't being honest about it and potentially (even if unintentionally) misleading people they say it to. We can all go into the semantics of "every person decides what a 'complete' set is to them" (which has been discussed here in other threads), but when somebody says "I've got a complete set of NES carts," the most common take on that is the ful set (licensed + unlicensed, unless someone specifies) for the region that they're in or from. If you've got a partial set that's completed by fakes and you don't speak up to that point, you're being dishonest about what you've got.
Regarding the retroUSB stuff, yeah, totally, their stuff looks tons better than most bootlegs. And there are folks making repros who spend the time and care to make truly original looking releases (either 1:1 but marked as a repro somewhere or "1:1" of titles that didn't come out in certain regions) that are of immaculate quality. But in the realm of "is my whole collection legitimate," fakes are fakes, regardless of how much care went into their production, presentation, etc. Again, I'm not judging those who have or are making repros and certainly not the quality of anyone's products, just saying that on an even field, the well made and well denoted repros fall into the same category as the deliberate 1:1 fakes, old pirate carts, etc. As far as placeholders go, in the realm of flash carts I don't see the point of it personally either, but there are some folks who just have to have to have something on their shelf to hold that spot (perhaps because they specifically built storage for the exact complete set and want it to all sit properly, who knows) and I won't begrudge them their dust collectors.
As for the "difficulty" of collecting causing replicas to appear in the NES sphere...I don't buy that at all. Something being outside of the realm of what someone wants to pay for it doesn't mean that it's difficult to obtain, and thus justifying (or explaining) why exact replicas sprang into existence. While they don't come up quite as often, go look on eBay--you're going to fairly constantly find every single NES cart for sale, most available for immediate purchase via Buy It Now. At best, it's quasi-legitimately difficult to obtain, at most, a half dozen or so NES carts out of all that were ever produced (NTSC SE, Myriad 6-in-1, gray & gold NWC and maybe Mr. Gimmick come to mind).
Not being able to instantly pull the trigger on Stadium Events or an NWC (which still come up reasonably often these days) doesn't mean that they're really difficult to collect or get your hands on in this day and age, just not immediately affordable. To me, that's the error in your statement--not being able to afford something immediately doesn't mean that it's difficult to come by. I can't afford to go down to my local Chevy dealer and walk out with a Corvette, but the 5-6 that they've currently got on their lot (and the 5-10 in differing colors I've seen in that lot and a couple of others they operate) and hundreds, if not thousands, available elsewhere all over the country indicate that it's certainly not difficult to get. The best compromise between our two statements/views might be to say that it's difficult to collect quickly at reasonable prices.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I misread his post, I'd thought he meant a full set of repros, not 800+ and a few repros. I apologize for that mistake. It's still not "complete" though. Rather, "near-complete"...? but I won't go as far as calling it 100%. I also don't want to say that 800+ games isn't impressive, because long or short term, it is. Those 5 bootlegs don't tarnish the overall, but they are mixed in-- thus devaluing what's perceived as 100% in it's entirety, when that's far from the case.... also puts those sons of bitches out there to be bought by others who actually are trying to get 100%.
My stance is if a game looks 1:1 (like a gray or gold NWC), then it's far worse than a blue/clear shell. Not saying Retro USB NWC isn't a bootleg, but it's far better IMO than passing it off as a real thing because it doesn't look like the original, so it's a bit harder to argue that it is.
I don't buy the placeholder thing, but that's soley due to the way I collect, it's nothing to show discouragment. For me, I use a checklist or an empty spot on the shelf. (Or use a game that doesn't look real)
And... well, if collecting isn't difficult in general, then there'd be no need for 1:1 replicas. I believe that the reason why people buy them is to "fake it" or pretend that they own it. The reason why people sell them is because there's profit with little repercussions.
Gotcha. I totally agree with you that a set that doesn't have 100% original carts is only a partial/near-complete set. Anyone can call their set "complete" even with repros included in place of real carts, but they'd always need to add in "all original save 5 [or however many] carts" every time they said it, otherwise they aren't being honest about it and potentially (even if unintentionally) misleading people they say it to. We can all go into the semantics of "every person decides what a 'complete' set is to them" (which has been discussed here in other threads), but when somebody says "I've got a complete set of NES carts," the most common take on that is the ful set (licensed + unlicensed, unless someone specifies) for the region that they're in or from. If you've got a partial set that's completed by fakes and you don't speak up to that point, you're being dishonest about what you've got.
Regarding the retroUSB stuff, yeah, totally, their stuff looks tons better than most bootlegs. And there are folks making repros who spend the time and care to make truly original looking releases (either 1:1 but marked as a repro somewhere or "1:1" of titles that didn't come out in certain regions) that are of immaculate quality. But in the realm of "is my whole collection legitimate," fakes are fakes, regardless of how much care went into their production, presentation, etc. Again, I'm not judging those who have or are making repros and certainly not the quality of anyone's products, just saying that on an even field, the well made and well denoted repros fall into the same category as the deliberate 1:1 fakes, old pirate carts, etc. As far as placeholders go, in the realm of flash carts I don't see the point of it personally either, but there are some folks who just have to have to have something on their shelf to hold that spot (perhaps because they specifically built storage for the exact complete set and want it to all sit properly, who knows) and I won't begrudge them their dust collectors.
As for the "difficulty" of collecting causing replicas to appear in the NES sphere...I don't buy that at all. Something being outside of the realm of what someone wants to pay for it doesn't mean that it's difficult to obtain, and thus justifying (or explaining) why exact replicas sprang into existence. While they don't come up quite as often, go look on eBay--you're going to fairly constantly find every single NES cart for sale, most available for immediate purchase via Buy It Now. At best, it's quasi-legitimately difficult to obtain, at most, a half dozen or so NES carts out of all that were ever produced (NTSC SE, Myriad 6-in-1, gray & gold NWC and maybe Mr. Gimmick come to mind).
Not being able to instantly pull the trigger on Stadium Events or an NWC (which still come up reasonably often these days) doesn't mean that they're really difficult to collect or get your hands on in this day and age, just not immediately affordable. To me, that's the error in your statement--not being able to afford something immediately doesn't mean that it's difficult to come by. I can't afford to go down to my local Chevy dealer and walk out with a Corvette, but the 5-6 that they've currently got on their lot (and the 5-10 in differing colors I've seen in that lot and a couple of others they operate) and hundreds, if not thousands, available elsewhere all over the country indicate that it's certainly not difficult to get. The best compromise between our two statements/views might be to say that it's difficult to collect quickly at reasonable prices.
Good points. I agree with the comprosise, but I still can't agree 100% about the error you stated I had (I guess that's because I'm overthinking the analogy) but I think I see your point. If you ain't got the money, that could be perceived as difficult, but it's not inherently difficult due to the abundance and accessibility of obtaining what we want (especially in this day in age).
Am I reading that correctly? If not, I'm sorry.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I'd only disagree in so much to say, it depends on when they started and how much time they are willing to sink into this. I mean, go over to GVN, go to the "Official" titles and sort by price. Also consider that the collector may not care so much about the condition for the rarer titles and with planning, time and dedication, you could acquire all but the top 5 or so, and save over 33% in cost.
Again, I know everyone is different but if I did, personally, want to go for a "complete" set of these games. It would be for personal motivation and not bragging rights and, before I'd even begun, I'd fully understand that it was going to take me a long time and that Stadium Events wasn't going to happen unless I one the collector "lottery" and found one in the wild. That or someone discovered an unopened shipping container of 10,000 of these things, sealed and put them all up on eBay.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Good points. I agree with the comprosise, but I still can't agree 100% about the error you stated I had (I guess that's because I'm overthinking the analogy) but I think I see your point. If you ain't got the money, that could be perceived as difficult, but it's not inherently difficult due to the abundance and accessibility of obtaining what we want (especially in this day in age).
Am I reading that correctly? If not, I'm sorry.
Thank you. And yeah, you read my intention correctly. At this point in time, primarily thanks to the internet, it's totally not difficult to collect all of the NES games that were released through normal distribution. It's even regularly possible to add things like the NWC to your collection, although you have to keep your eyes open and jump on the opportunity when it arrives.
Back in the 80s and 90s, it was a lot more difficult due to a lack of easy national distribution. You had what you had in your area and would have to travel to really see much of a difference in available titles. For a while, FuncoLand existed in some areas and apparently did have a "sell list" and could/would ship, but they were only useful if you knew about them and/or had one near you. Later on, GameStop took over, merging FuncoLand, Babbages & Software Etc. together under their banner, creating a stabilized pricing structure for classic games across the whole country, which was great. But you were nearly always subject to the availability of whatever happened to come into your store, either as a trade in or whatever happened to get shipped from corporate. Anecdotally, I asked my local GameStop to search out stock for certain titles I never saw locally and have them shipped into the store, but they always advised that they couldn't do that.
By the time the internet was starting its meteoric rise (beginning of widespread broadband), GameStop got out of the market. The difficulty in collecting most old systems vastly diminished (thank you eBay, Yahoo! Auctions, etc.), but prices went all over the place, pretty crazily in a lot of instances. Things were no longer tough to find in nearly all cases, but surging/changing pricing changed the game again, turning it into more of an economic issue than an availability/accessibility one.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
Replica bootlegs hurt the hobby. Flashcarts dont. I dont care about software piracy on a flashcart. Dont tell me ehat i should care about. Thanks
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Unless you're talking about making friends with somebody who has the games you're lacking, getting your hands on the ROMs and playing them that way (via emulator, flash cart, etc.) is just creating more "pirates" of licensed (or unlicensed) NES games. When you dump the ROMs and distribute them, it becomes pure software piracy. If you're against piracy in general (and not just because fake carts hurt your bottom line, whereas ROMs aren't perceived to do so), then you ought to be against those other ways as well. Non-original/official carts of any sort and ROMs are both/all piracy, pure and simple.
Not exactly. Just using Little Samson as an example, buying the original cart does not give any money to the developer takeru who is gone. Taito, the publisher, is owned by Square Enix, have they distributed this game in any way? No. Do they get money from someone buying a cart? No.
This would be different if we're talking something like Earthbound which can be purchased on virtual console.
I don't know exactly how the laws around it work, but in my opinion if the owner of the copyright for a game is not offering a way to legitimately play it, it becomes fair game.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer. Your opinion is embarrassing if so, and you are whats wrong with the hobby.
I can also masterbate instead of pursuing sex with my partner.
Life is full of choices, and coming to grips with what makes you happy. At least if you solder the fakes yourself, you can rejoice in the soldering experience you've gotten from it. Or you can line the pockets of the pirates and masterbate to your wall of counterfeit plastic. Your choice.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I replied to Pegboy. You came with smarmy asshole reply to me. You arent trying to be a jerk? but you sit their and mock me like my opinion is some old opinion thats not current? You sir came off like a jerk. I can assure you, my opinion is the majority opinion on bootleg pirates. And not by a little.
Fake games freaking suck, and those who support them suck in my book.
I am curious where are these people that claim to have full sets but have a bunch of fake carts? Im not being sarcastic I really want to see an example, because that keeps getting thrown around alot and Ive yet to see it personally.
They are too embarrassed to post it around here. Only to show their occasional local friend
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete.
Sadly there was a time tgat opinion would be laughed off the site. I miss those days. This slow acceptance creeping into the hobby disgusts me.
Just laughable. There are ways to play any gane. There is no need for pirates of licensed nes games.
Change is hard. I get it
When the change is bootlegs counting as part of the set, then change can go fuck itself. You arent collecting at that point. There is no point. Anyone who accepts bootlegs of licensed games that i collect into their collection is someone i dont and wont trust.
So, Change and Trust is hard. I get it
Are you serious right now? You just trying to be an asshole? If you really agree with the opinion of bootleg pirates of licensed games is fine and counts in a collection then you are in the minority, and feel free to keep preaching it. You wont like being here much longer
Quest. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I get it...THAT is YOUR opinion. This obviously makes you upset. But who made you the end all be all? I'm entitiled to my opinion and I have made it clear. If you don't like it you are allowed by Nintendoage to share it, all be it with less agressive language would be nice. A debate is just that a debate, an opinion is just that an opinion. The world will change and so will this hobby...with or without you. As far as me liking being here...really??? I've met some really great people on this forum and done several transactions with other collectors like myself. If you arent one of them it's cool bro. We don't have to share the same opinion...ie "I GET IT".
I replied to Pegboy. You came with smarmy asshole reply to me. You arent trying to be a jerk? but you sit their and mock me like my opinion is some old opinion thats not current? You sir came off like a jerk. I can assure you, my opinion is the majority opinion on bootleg pirates. And not by a little.
Fake games freaking suck, and those who support them suck in my book.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
I'm not a repro collector. I just want the legit stuff, or not at all. However, I could totally understand someone who has the NES itch say "I really want a 100% complete NES set... but I know I can't afford to drop $10k for one game, let alone 2 games."
Such an individual, by their own desire, may acquire +99% of the entire library and the most expensive ones can be purchased as quality repros. Sure, he may not fool himself, or anyone, but he now has the option to have a legit "feeling" experience for 100% of the NES gaming library.
At this point in modern NES collecting, anyone who is 99% to a complete NES set isn't going to be deterred by the sticker price for those last two games.
I'd only disagree in so much to say, it depends on when they started and how much time they are willing to sink into this. I mean, go over to GVN, go to the "Official" titles and sort by price. Also consider that the collector may not care so much about the condition for the rarer titles and with planning, time and dedication, you could acquire all but the top 5 or so, and save over 33% in cost.
Again, I know everyone is different but if I did, personally, want to go for a "complete" set of these games. It would be for personal motivation and not bragging rights and, before I'd even begun, I'd fully understand that it was going to take me a long time and that Stadium Events wasn't going to happen unless I one the collector "lottery" and found one in the wild. That or someone discovered an unopened shipping container of 10,000 of these things, sealed and put them all up on eBay.
If they've been in it for that long and haven't had a complete set, they'd probably just give up instead of putting fake placeholders in their collection.
The ones who want the fakes to "complete" their collections are the Johnny-come-latelies who expected games to be a quarter a piece and are shocked that some go for over $30. Those dudes are the ones who'll buy a fake game and convince themselves it's not.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
Quest-
I think you misunderstood my posting and acted out in anger. But whatever man. Thank you for the apology.
I honestly do not see why there is still a sizeable bootleg markets besides the scammers/fake collection people.
Flashcarts have become so cheap and add so many features, granted some titles do not work on flashcarts. You could buy those or wait for firmware updates to add them in.
Heck, I don't know. I just want to play NES games. These are carts I don't have. I don't really have a need to buy the replica NES cart of regular licensed games as I have a majority of them.
My point with all the above posts was I personally think that if someone has a few replica carts but still has a complete set I would consider it a complete set, not original but complete. Just an opinion.
As far as these games go, they are not part of the original NES library and I am curious about the game play so I made the purchase.
The post was to show that the carts were much less ($15.90 per cart) than what the OP posted he found at a local game store. As far as quality of the carts, only time will tell.
A plus is you can pick a cart color (red, blue, black, clear, gray etc.) so if you care about showing a difference from orginal to replica pick a different color cart.
When they arrive i'll share pics of outside, inside and game play if anyone would care about quality.
Neat opinion . Nobody here would agree with you.
Quest, I was in agreement with you. I get it..I even gave you a smiley face. Change in this hobby is hard for the pure collector..but it's happening. Trust is hard if you purchase from someone who have replica games. We differ in opinions thats it. Your language used to give your opinion is discomforting. Maybe you should read Dain's thread "Let's make this a better to place to visit On the topic of community and negativity".
oh please, there is nothing positive to discuss about bootlegs. Counterfeit replicas deserve heavy negative opinion on a collectors site.
Dont act like a jerk, and you wont get a jerk response back. Follow your own advice Dont lecture me on things you started. If you didnt reply to my reply to pegboy with that smarmy response, then I would have never said anything to you. i apologize that my couple of curse words offended you.
Bolded above is the best part of quests post.
Bighero1006-
your post really came off like you were defending identical counterfeit replicas, and that "collecting NES is changing and identical replicas should be OK" not sure if thats what you meant, but it sure read that way- especially with your post about you "considering a few fakes a complete set"