I know you guys will clean it and make it nice, but I would have given that guy a "poor" rating.
Yep. He would have too if he had the time to test and look closer but he didn't want to hold the seller's payment up while we worked on a better condition system.
Mercari acts like an escrow and doesn't release payment to the seller until the buyer says it's "Great" or "Good." Since we didn't know the full extent until a week later, we thought it still warranted payment, hence, the "Good" rating (AKA, borderline unsatisfied).
In that context, "Good" really means not "Great" and really is borderline for requesting a refund. The only other option, "Poor," would have started the returns process before we were aware that it was bad enough to warrant that. Even knowing all this we still would have bought it for ~$55 (nearly his asking price) if he were honest. I've paid the much for similar condition in the past.
If he posts the condition as "good", he shouldn't be talking up the condition to "excellent"-- I can agree with that. Though as soon as I read about how you didn't look at the pictures or ask more questions before making the purchase-- right there your post lost a lot of steam.
Yes. My lack of dilligence is why I didn't rate him as "poor." My only complaint is that some people will blatantly misrepresent something to get a sale. Pretty sleazy.
Originally posted by: Indigo_Streetlight
P.S. What you're describing with the reset switch could be caused by accumulated dust, shake it and the connection is restored.
Yeah. I did a lot more fiddling before I disassembled it and that didn't seem to help. The board was upside down while we had the meter probes on it. Working the reset button in that position could be why it started working.
Yeah, I'd watch out for anyone who uses a one-liner in their description; I tend to write a bible myself since there's a lot of flaws that would never show up in my pictures. This guy's probably from the opposite school; he'd rather process the occasional return instead of cluttering up the buyer's field of vision with text.
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
I know you keep saying you know you fucked up and it's your own fault and so forth. But you also keep saying this, and I'm really confused to why you let him get paid.
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
I know you keep saying you know you fucked up and it's your own fault and so forth. But you also keep saying this, and I'm really confused to why you let him get paid.
It's in the OP: he didn't want to hold up payment over the minor issues he was aware of. He discovered the true extent a week after giving the lowest rating that still releases the funds. You and I have the benefits of hindsight but it's blinding us to the moment that decision was made.
I'll go into WAY too much detail if it helps us understand his decision at that moment:
The package was delivered and the seller was asking for feedback long before Ichinisan would even be home to receive it (moments after the Nest camera notification showed the delivery driver dropping off the package). I was stopping there on my lunch break to feed the cat and secure the package when Ichinisan saw me on camera and asked me to open/test the N64 really quick.
Initially I told him that I didn't have the time but he said that the seller was already asking for payment and must need it ASAP (if he was watching tracking that closely). I recorded myself opening the box, made sure it booted a game, then called Ichinisan to describe it while I headed back to work. I told him it was "dusty" and mentioned the crack that wasn't too bad. Ichinisan sounded disappointed but I wasn't aware of how it was described to him. I told him that it would probably clean up nicely, but I was in such a hurry didn't even turn the lights on to see through the shell.
Having not seen it himself, all he knew at the time was what I told him. I didn't know what the seller had said to him.
I was about 5 mins late getting back to work from my lunch break. Ichinisan wasn't going to be home until some time in the AM the following day, so he knocked his rating down based on my description and paid the man. Entirely reasonable. If anything, blame me for unboxing it in the dark and leaving moments later without looking more thoroughly. I wasn't involved until that point and neither of us revisited it for a week.
Again, our only complaint is in how this was blatantly misrepresented. We aren't saying that we did our due diligence (we didn't) or that we were forced to pay/accept (we weren't).
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
I know you keep saying you know you fucked up and it's your own fault and so forth. But you also keep saying this, and I'm really confused to why you let him get paid.
I realized I had to get another system for our purpose, so we did. I also knew I wouldn't get a chance to thoroughly check this one for a while (turned out to be about 1 week), so I felt it would be unreasonable to make him wait that long. I went ahead and did it.
Basically I just got way too busy and waited way too long to acquire one in the first place. It will be nice when I can have a few of these queued up and ready to go.
The only reason I keep mentioning how Mercari works is because that's a major factor in how much I trusted the seller's comments. It's in the seller's best interest to describe the item accurately.
It seems that we always have to go into WAY too much detail ...
I don't know why your stories are often confusing either.
Originally posted by: CZroe
We aren't saying that we did our due diligence (we didn't) or that we were forced to pay/accept (we weren't).
It's in my post: I know
Anyway, yes of course, I agree that the seller is a real dirtbag. I hope you guys don't get burned like that again. Thank you for sharing this cautionary tale.
Idk why you wouldn't just ask for a refund and return the item. If I buy something from a big box stores, and I'm not satisfied with my purchase, I take it back and get my money and then buy the product that I really want. I think it's so weird that ppl play these feedback games on eBay. It's your money. Get what you want from it and call it a day. Also, for $60 do you realistically think you'll get an immaculate jungle green N64? At a certain point, do we need to be honest with ourselves and think that if we don't pay top price we shouldn't expect top quality? Should we ask ourselves, if this was in good condition, shouldn't the seller be asking more?
Idk why you wouldn't just ask for a refund and return the item. If I buy something from a big box stores, and I'm not satisfied with my purchase, I take it back and get my money and then buy the product that I really want. I think it's so weird that ppl play these feedback games on eBay. It's your money. Get what you want from it and call it a day. Also, for $60 do you realistically think you'll get an immaculate jungle green N64? At a certain point, do we need to be honest with ourselves and think that if we don't pay top price we shouldn't expect top quality? Should we ask ourselves, if this was in good condition, shouldn't the seller be asking more?
At 60 bucks I wouldn't expect any cracks in it.
I might, but that's because I find small cracks and chips in about a third of them around that price... none described as "nice" or "excellent condition" though. That's where our expectations were set.
They're usually tiny cracks in the vents or a chip on the front corners. I've even seen an internal chip that was likely there from the factory. Nothing like that crack coming off the 2nd controller port though.
Also, I actually bought from the same Mercari seller again (the one I got the green system from in the OP). This time, his description actually said "no cracks" and it still had a good price. Still impossible to make out anything in the pictures. I've adjusted my expectations to ignore his description and expect the worst.
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Thats a shit deck if you ask me.
I know you guys will clean it and make it nice, but I would have given that guy a "poor" rating.
Yep. He would have too if he had the time to test and look closer but he didn't want to hold the seller's payment up while we worked on a better condition system.
Mercari acts like an escrow and doesn't release payment to the seller until the buyer says it's "Great" or "Good." Since we didn't know the full extent until a week later, we thought it still warranted payment, hence, the "Good" rating (AKA, borderline unsatisfied).
In that context, "Good" really means not "Great" and really is borderline for requesting a refund. The only other option, "Poor," would have started the returns process before we were aware that it was bad enough to warrant that. Even knowing all this we still would have bought it for ~$55 (nearly his asking price) if he were honest. I've paid the much for similar condition in the past.
If he posts the condition as "good", he shouldn't be talking up the condition to "excellent"-- I can agree with that. Though as soon as I read about how you didn't look at the pictures or ask more questions before making the purchase-- right there your post lost a lot of steam.
Yes. My lack of dilligence is why I didn't rate him as "poor." My only complaint is that some people will blatantly misrepresent something to get a sale. Pretty sleazy.
P.S. What you're describing with the reset switch could be caused by accumulated dust, shake it and the connection is restored.
Yeah. I did a lot more fiddling before I disassembled it and that didn't seem to help. The board was upside down while we had the meter probes on it. Working the reset button in that position could be why it started working.
Yeah, I'd watch out for anyone who uses a one-liner in their description; I tend to write a bible myself since there's a lot of flaws that would never show up in my pictures. This guy's probably from the opposite school; he'd rather process the occasional return instead of cluttering up the buyer's field of vision with text.
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
I know you keep saying you know you fucked up and it's your own fault and so forth. But you also keep saying this, and I'm really confused to why you let him get paid.
It's in the OP: he didn't want to hold up payment over the minor issues he was aware of. He discovered the true extent a week after giving the lowest rating that still releases the funds. You and I have the benefits of hindsight but it's blinding us to the moment that decision was made.
I'll go into WAY too much detail if it helps us understand his decision at that moment:
The package was delivered and the seller was asking for feedback long before Ichinisan would even be home to receive it (moments after the Nest camera notification showed the delivery driver dropping off the package). I was stopping there on my lunch break to feed the cat and secure the package when Ichinisan saw me on camera and asked me to open/test the N64 really quick.
Initially I told him that I didn't have the time but he said that the seller was already asking for payment and must need it ASAP (if he was watching tracking that closely). I recorded myself opening the box, made sure it booted a game, then called Ichinisan to describe it while I headed back to work. I told him it was "dusty" and mentioned the crack that wasn't too bad. Ichinisan sounded disappointed but I wasn't aware of how it was described to him. I told him that it would probably clean up nicely, but I was in such a hurry didn't even turn the lights on to see through the shell.
Having not seen it himself, all he knew at the time was what I told him. I didn't know what the seller had said to him.
I was about 5 mins late getting back to work from my lunch break. Ichinisan wasn't going to be home until some time in the AM the following day, so he knocked his rating down based on my description and paid the man. Entirely reasonable. If anything, blame me for unboxing it in the dark and leaving moments later without looking more thoroughly. I wasn't involved until that point and neither of us revisited it for a week.
Again, our only complaint is in how this was blatantly misrepresented. We aren't saying that we did our due diligence (we didn't) or that we were forced to pay/accept (we weren't).
-- on a service where the seller doesn't get paid unless I decide that I'm happy with the item (Mercari).
I know you keep saying you know you fucked up and it's your own fault and so forth. But you also keep saying this, and I'm really confused to why you let him get paid.
I realized I had to get another system for our purpose, so we did. I also knew I wouldn't get a chance to thoroughly check this one for a while (turned out to be about 1 week), so I felt it would be unreasonable to make him wait that long. I went ahead and did it.
Basically I just got way too busy and waited way too long to acquire one in the first place. It will be nice when I can have a few of these queued up and ready to go.
The only reason I keep mentioning how Mercari works is because that's a major factor in how much I trusted the seller's comments. It's in the seller's best interest to describe the item accurately.
It seems that we always have to go into WAY too much detail ...
I don't know why your stories are often confusing either.
We aren't saying that we did our due diligence (we didn't) or that we were forced to pay/accept (we weren't).
It's in my post: I know
Anyway, yes of course, I agree that the seller is a real dirtbag. I hope you guys don't get burned like that again. Thank you for sharing this cautionary tale.
not to be a party pooper on the whole, hehe that sounds like dick parade but it is called a control deck.
Idk why you wouldn't just ask for a refund and return the item. If I buy something from a big box stores, and I'm not satisfied with my purchase, I take it back and get my money and then buy the product that I really want. I think it's so weird that ppl play these feedback games on eBay. It's your money. Get what you want from it and call it a day. Also, for $60 do you realistically think you'll get an immaculate jungle green N64? At a certain point, do we need to be honest with ourselves and think that if we don't pay top price we shouldn't expect top quality? Should we ask ourselves, if this was in good condition, shouldn't the seller be asking more?
At 60 bucks I wouldn't expect any cracks in it.
Idk why you wouldn't just ask for a refund and return the item. If I buy something from a big box stores, and I'm not satisfied with my purchase, I take it back and get my money and then buy the product that I really want. I think it's so weird that ppl play these feedback games on eBay. It's your money. Get what you want from it and call it a day. Also, for $60 do you realistically think you'll get an immaculate jungle green N64? At a certain point, do we need to be honest with ourselves and think that if we don't pay top price we shouldn't expect top quality? Should we ask ourselves, if this was in good condition, shouldn't the seller be asking more?
At 60 bucks I wouldn't expect any cracks in it.
I might, but that's because I find small cracks and chips in about a third of them around that price... none described as "nice" or "excellent condition" though. That's where our expectations were set.
They're usually tiny cracks in the vents or a chip on the front corners. I've even seen an internal chip that was likely there from the factory. Nothing like that crack coming off the 2nd controller port though.
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Also, I actually bought from the same Mercari seller again (the one I got the green system from in the OP). This time, his description actually said "no cracks" and it still had a good price. Still impossible to make out anything in the pictures. I've adjusted my expectations to ignore his description and expect the worst.
Look at those braided cables lol
Lol that's definitely driving you crazy