I contacted the seller and he claimed ignorance and said no returns. So I opened a case. We'll see what happens.
If I accidentally sold something with a repro label, I would apologize and gladly accept the return.
Make sure you use "counterfeit" as many times as possible in your case. Don't open the game; mention that you can tell the game is fake from the counterfeit label on it.
I agree with this advice. Good luck on the Ebay siding in your favor.
Seller's an ass. He deliberately mislead by stating he doesn't sell fakes. And the label is a fake. Seller should have apologized and tried to work a partial refund in the least.
It was a scam from the outset. High probability the inside is fake too. Repro sellers of retail-sold games should all burn in hell!
The best tip I can share is look for other photos from other sellers and compare common image of a cart label. Also in an authentic loose cart, you would expect to see minor scratches or worse. A loose cart with no obvious scratches (such as in the OP's post) strongly suspect fake.
Thanks to everyone with their suggestions, advice, and pictures. After going back and forth a couple times with the seller, who's only response was "The game board is real. NO REFUNDS", I just waited the 5 days to hand the case off to eBay.
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The listing description states the item is authentic, yet as soon as I saw the label on the game, I could tell it was a reproduction and not the original label. The first picture is a close up of the game I received. The second picture shows the differences between the game I received and what a real game label looks like. The sticker is thick, textured, and matte (not thin, smooth, and glossy), the color on the Rare logo is wrong, and the logos and lettering are too close to the edge. The O in seal of quality is capitalized when it should be lower case, and the top of the k in Conker s is cut off. If you look at the seller s reviews, it shows he has purchased reproduction labels before from seller:snesalive. In the third picture, you can see he bought a reproduction label for Super Mario 64 on 8/6/17. He then sold a copy of Super Mario 64 on 10/15/17 with a label that looks exactly like the repro label he bought from SNESAlive. In the past, the same seller has sold reproduction labels of Conker s Bad Fur Day that look exactly the same as the one I received, as seen here:
It s obvious the seller knows what a reproduction label looks like and I m not the only buyer to receive an unauthentic game from him. If you compare the first and last picture, you ll see they are the same. All I m looking to do is return the game and get my money back. (I ended here)
I included pictures of the cart I received, what a cart should look like, and their purchase history of other repro labels. Within 24 hours of sending the case to eBay, the sent back their verdict in my favor. The cart's in the mail.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer.
My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
I think you'd be surprised how many casual collectors would rather have a nice clean repro label than a jacked up original label.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
I think you'd be surprised how many casual collectors would rather have a nice clean repro label than a jacked up original label.
On the other hand, I'm not looking for an upgrade for this:
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I contacted the seller and he claimed ignorance and said no returns. So I opened a case. We'll see what happens.
If I accidentally sold something with a repro label, I would apologize and gladly accept the return.
Make sure you use "counterfeit" as many times as possible in your case. Don't open the game; mention that you can tell the game is fake from the counterfeit label on it.
I agree with this advice. Good luck on the Ebay siding in your favor.
you got got. get a refund
"Ummm, this label is a counterfit which leads me to question the authenticity of cart."
"Oh, Is it? Huh...ummm sorry? I was unaware."
"Yeah, so can I get a refund?:
"Nope"
It was a scam from the outset. High probability the inside is fake too. Repro sellers of retail-sold games should all burn in hell!
The best tip I can share is look for other photos from other sellers and compare common image of a cart label. Also in an authentic loose cart, you would expect to see minor scratches or worse. A loose cart with no obvious scratches (such as in the OP's post) strongly suspect fake.
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The listing description states the item is authentic, yet as soon as I saw the label on the game, I could tell it was a reproduction and not the original label. The first picture is a close up of the game I received. The second picture shows the differences between the game I received and what a real game label looks like. The sticker is thick, textured, and matte (not thin, smooth, and glossy), the color on the Rare logo is wrong, and the logos and lettering are too close to the edge. The O in seal of quality is capitalized when it should be lower case, and the top of the k in Conker s is cut off. If you look at the seller s reviews, it shows he has purchased reproduction labels before from seller:snesalive. In the third picture, you can see he bought a reproduction label for Super Mario 64 on 8/6/17. He then sold a copy of Super Mario 64 on 10/15/17 with a label that looks exactly like the repro label he bought from SNESAlive. In the past, the same seller has sold reproduction labels of Conker s Bad Fur Day that look exactly the same as the one I received, as seen here:
https: m.ebay.com/itm/Conkers-Bad-Fur-Day-N64-Cartridge-Replacement-Label-Sticker-/272637641711?hash=item3f7a7843ef%3Ag%3AEcoAAOSw3ZRY97lX&_trkparms=pageci%253A49656401-b4f8-11e7-917d-74dbd180a1fb%257Cparentrq%253A35d10bd615f0aa4754eefef4fffff9c3%257Ciid%253A8#vi__app-cvip-panel
It s obvious the seller knows what a reproduction label looks like and I m not the only buyer to receive an unauthentic game from him. If you compare the first and last picture, you ll see they are the same. All I m looking to do is return the game and get my money back. (I ended here)
I included pictures of the cart I received, what a cart should look like, and their purchase history of other repro labels. Within 24 hours of sending the case to eBay, the sent back their verdict in my favor. The cart's in the mail.
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer.
My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
Edit: Cool to see it worked out. I need to learn to read threads and not just OP's.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
I think you'd be surprised how many casual collectors would rather have a nice clean repro label than a jacked up original label.
Congrats on the refund/verdict. Any small win is a good win. Here's a little summary:
- reproduction items for personal use = ok
- reproduction sellers who sells to trick people of an authentic item = fraud/asses.
Even repros for personal use can be a bit iffy, because there's no telling whether or not that game might somehow get circulated back into the market at some point, deceiving a future buyer. My take on it, repros are ONLY ok when its clearly obvious they are repros and stated as such somewhere on the label. Or, just have a different artwork all together.
I go one step further and recommend people leave the original label alone, no matter the condition.
agreed. Even if the label looks different, why would you want that? It's now a labelless copy, and worth significantly less. And usually they look like crap anyway
I think you'd be surprised how many casual collectors would rather have a nice clean repro label than a jacked up original label.
On the other hand, I'm not looking for an upgrade for this:
On the other hand, I'm not looking for an upgrade for this:
I think she's perfect the way she is
Or is it ?
No, it's over.