B: Ask for a raise and take the position after knowing there will be a pay increase.
C: Tell them I dont want the position and that they should try and figure something else out.
If it were me, I'd take B. If you don't like your job, it is quite horrible, something you spend a lot of time doing, around which a lot of your life revolves. No thank you. I have an evening job that I am considering leaving at the end of this year, due to the long commute, and this is with really enjoying the job. So if I were doing something I really didn't want to do, well it just isn't worth it.
If the company is not hiring anyone else this year, and you also quit, they will be in quite a bad situation. Some managers are arrogant and can't put down their pride while focusing on the longterm, but it sounds like you have the leverage here. Use it, period.
If money would make you feel better about the switch, then do B. For some people, the extra money would make things acceptable in the end, and maybe you are one of those people. It keeps the peace, solves their problem, and compensates you for the whole mess.
Either way, just work the situation, and don't back down.
Boss isnt actually here the next 2 days so i'll have to talk with her on Monday, lol. But im jumpin into it... if ya'll dont hear from me in a month or so i've lost my mind...
Things outside of your control are outside of your control. Doesn't matter why you are put in this position. You are in it.
Combination of A and B.
Suck it up and if you don't get a raise for doing more work perhaps start looking elsewhere or quit if it becomes too much.
C and D are really the same thing. You should only try option C if you would rather quit than take on the new job. There is a good chance that it won't go over well at all and you will quit anyway. I'd say at least try to do the job first unless you 100% know that you won't like it.
Im workin on it! just got a lot of new stuff to learn. I can handle it though! Sorta changed up my attitude about it after sleepin on it and it may be a good thing in the end hopefully!
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch.
Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch. Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Yeah I would think so.
As screwed as they are when he leaves if you were to leave the next day it sounds like they will be REALLY screwed.
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch. Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Yeah I would think so.
As screwed as they are when he leaves if you were to leave the next day it sounds like they will be REALLY screwed.
Oh yeah! Theres a handful of things only i know how to do here. They would be F'ed!
Part of me does. I've just been here too long so at times i get pretty bitter about certain things with the management and the way they handle things like this. Im not mean spirited though so it would be hard for me to leave them in a rougher situation then we're already in. Been here 13 years now. I guess im just sorta set in my ways and responsibilities so this was just a huge wrench getting thrown my way but similar things have happpened before here so im sure i'll adjust. Just hoping when business picks up we get another person in here to start training. Im doing the tasks now that we use to have 4 people for. At one point we had 8 people in manufacturing and with this guy leaving we are down to 3.
Things outside of your control are outside of your control. Doesn't matter why you are put in this position. You are in it.
Combination of A and B.
Suck it up and if you don't get a raise for doing more work perhaps start looking elsewhere or quit if it becomes too much.
C and D are really the same thing. You should only try option C if you would rather quit than take on the new job. There is a good chance that it won't go over well at all and you will quit anyway. I'd say at least try to do the job first unless you 100% know that you won't like it.
Gotta say I agree and not to be rude, but I kind of leaned towards option A, although I absolutely understand where you're coming from. A job is a job and sometimes responsibilities change, you do have to try and be flexible for your company too. Keep in mind they are trying to manage as well, and if there is a hiring freeze then it needs to be managed as fairly as possible.
My vote is also a combination of A and B, but mainly to sit and talk with your boss and explain your concerns clearly and professionally (not saying you wouldn't, but it only takes a tiny bit of self-entitled shittiness to ruin work relationships). Carefully voice your concern and try to work with your boss in finding a solution that works, even if you have to make suggestions. A lot of people are under the impression that managers/bosses are there to fix every issue that everyone has on demand, but in fact, people are expected to be working professionals and also help them manage too.
There is a huge difference between somebody coming to their manager with an issue open-minded with ideas/thoughts in mind, and the ones that run to their boss crying when things aren't perfect playing the victim card. Just being honest here, and in no way am I saying anything of this about you Funk. You obviously are treating this carefully and that's very respectable!
My vote is to sit down with your manager and discuss, keeping in mind they are likely stressed over it too. It's best to be open to the challenge (attitude-wise), although this is your opportunity to discuss concerns and it's absolutely appropriate to ask if you'd be compensated for the additional responsibilties. Odds are they will give you the run around with blah blah we will remember this when raises come around blah blah.
Keep your current work scene secure, and feel free to keep an eye out on other job opportunities if you get boned, but the last thing you'd want to do is quit or jeopardize your job at this stage. Good luck!
F! Gain all the knowledge you can from the guy leaving. Get some on the job experience. Keep an eye out for a new job in your wheelhouse that pays good and drop this company like a bad habit. Two things caught my attention in the original post. 1) A very important team member was allowed to be run-off by bitchy employees 2) You are expected to step up, learn a lot in a short period of time, and be happy drawing the same paycheck as you did before. Based on those two things I'm under the impression that this is not exactly the kind of company you would want to retire with. I say take everything you can from them to get yourself a decent job somewhere else in under 6 months. I've been in the same situation myself but a different industry.
"Hiring freeze" / "no money right now for a salary increase" / "can't promote you" is just corporate nonsense they tell you to justify the status quo and brush you off. Your boss's boss can ask for OOB exceptions for raises or promotions at any time if it's needed. If not, your company is such a sh*tshow that you should be looking anyway.
I'm assuming you're a superstar or at least a consistent above-average performer in your yearly evaluations with growth potential; otherwise your leverage is significantly decreased.
I'd go to your boss and lay out how you think the department should be structured, with you direct-line managing some of these guys or other people in your function, and of course a higher job title and salary than you have now.
Yes, this is ballsy, but you simply won't get what you don't ask for in corporate America. Plus, if these tester guys are such ingrates, then you can spin it to your manager that you're removing some headaches from his plate. Being direct and laying out a specific vision means you know what you can do to help the company while helping your own career at the same time.
The downside to this sort of action really is limited and you'll be surprised what you can get if you ask for it. Take this from someone who worked at a failing company and saw how many exceptions were being made for people they can't afford to lose. In the meantime, they're more than happy to overwork and underpay people who are willing to keep quiet and take it.
One of the best reasons for starting to accumulate a rainy day fund of what you need to survive 6 months without a job is it gives you the option to strike when the iron is hot and go with B. If you can't bear to be fired for job security or pure monetary reasons then you're basically boxed into A.
I'd say you should try to talk to your boss about a raise. Since the company is having a bad financial year, I wouldn't perhaps ask for the raise to be effective the day you start doing the new job, but I'd definitely ask your boss if he could give you a raise down the line in a few months, especially if the company does better financially by then
Hmmm.... tough spot. I'm kind of in the same position.
I voted D.
Haha, jokes... Never sell-off. I voted E.
Ask for a raise, knowing you're going to keep the job either way. If they give it to you, great. If not, more reason to look for another job harder.
In the meantime, keep getting paid and look for another gig. Feel good knowing you're still getting paid and looking for something better in the meantime.
Your goal is to continue to have income, while protecting both your sanity and long-term employment. Gaining more pay is nice, but it might come at a cost.
It sounds to me like your company is going downhill; I've seen more than a few companies go to hell with a few key people leaving. So A should be your short-term goal.
B has risks involved; people act like asking for a raise won't hurt you. I've known many a manager who, after having someone ask for a raise, have black-balled them and skip over them come comp time. Never mind the fact that most managers simpley do not have the power to grant raises on the fly. And in rare cases, asking for a raise can lead you to the door faster than you expect. It's really a case by case, but from how you say, it sounds like the company is tight and hurting; this might be viewed as kicking them while they're down or trying to take advantage of it.
C has more risks than B; in every company I've been at, depending on how you do this, it means you may never get offered a position again. So unless you want to do the job you currently have forever, C isn't a very good choice. Shit has already hit the fan, now it's damage control.
D is much too soon, and your collection isn't going to give you an income. It's a cash injection, short term at best. And the problem with collections, it's hard to sell them quickly and for their value, so you'll most likely make much less money than you expect if you try this route.
So I would do A, while hitting up Dice and Monster, looking right off the bat. This current job is giving you what amounts to free training, take it, learn the role, and don't worry about the fear, it's the best fucking teacher I've ever had. The guy who's leaving, make sure you have his contact info, so you can follow if he gets a good gig.
E just half ass it until you can find something else. If one of the key people quit because of drama and someone yelling at him then you may be in a toxic work environment. Start your own side business selling cables on ebay.
Get out of there ASAP dude. If you have a desirable skill-set you can always find work. If this company doesn't treat its people amazing, which obviously it doesn't or a dude wouldn't be leaving because of other coworkers, then you can step up for them. Don't volunteer to step up because that's exactly how you get taken advantage of. Dangling a raise in front of somebody is a shitty thing to do, and sadly I've seen/heard it quite a bit in the medical field. Seriously find something else as quick as possible, work shouldn't be something stressful in your life.
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C: Tell them I dont want the position and that they should try and figure something else out.
If it were me, I'd take B. If you don't like your job, it is quite horrible, something you spend a lot of time doing, around which a lot of your life revolves. No thank you. I have an evening job that I am considering leaving at the end of this year, due to the long commute, and this is with really enjoying the job. So if I were doing something I really didn't want to do, well it just isn't worth it.
If the company is not hiring anyone else this year, and you also quit, they will be in quite a bad situation. Some managers are arrogant and can't put down their pride while focusing on the longterm, but it sounds like you have the leverage here. Use it, period.
If money would make you feel better about the switch, then do B. For some people, the extra money would make things acceptable in the end, and maybe you are one of those people. It keeps the peace, solves their problem, and compensates you for the whole mess.
Either way, just work the situation, and don't back down.
Oof. Good luck, dude.
Thanks! stuff can be pretty mind numbing!
Combination of A and B.
Suck it up and if you don't get a raise for doing more work perhaps start looking elsewhere or quit if it becomes too much.
C and D are really the same thing. You should only try option C if you would rather quit than take on the new job. There is a good chance that it won't go over well at all and you will quit anyway. I'd say at least try to do the job first unless you 100% know that you won't like it.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch.
Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Originally posted by: D~Funk
Originally posted by: Buyatari
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch. Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Yeah I would think so.
As screwed as they are when he leaves if you were to leave the next day it sounds like they will be REALLY screwed.
You want the company to succeed, right?
Originally posted by: D~Funk
Originally posted by: Buyatari
Also get the phone number and or email of this guy leaving.
As long as he doesn't have an issue with you personally he might have some empathy and be willing to give pointers from time to time if you don't abuse it.
Kinda screwed up but fuck it. Your options might be limited otherwise.
Yeah, i have it! We actually hang out outside of work here and there and his wife is one of my girlfriends best friends so we'll stay in touch. Thanks for the advice everyone. Remembered i have a review in about a month so if i buckle down and just learn the shit i need to hopefully it will reflect in my review.
Yeah I would think so.
As screwed as they are when he leaves if you were to leave the next day it sounds like they will be REALLY screwed.
Oh yeah! Theres a handful of things only i know how to do here. They would be F'ed!
The company needs your help!
You want the company to succeed, right?
Part of me does. I've just been here too long so at times i get pretty bitter about certain things with the management and the way they handle things like this. Im not mean spirited though so it would be hard for me to leave them in a rougher situation then we're already in. Been here 13 years now. I guess im just sorta set in my ways and responsibilities so this was just a huge wrench getting thrown my way but similar things have happpened before here so im sure i'll adjust. Just hoping when business picks up we get another person in here to start training. Im doing the tasks now that we use to have 4 people for. At one point we had 8 people in manufacturing and with this guy leaving we are down to 3.
Things outside of your control are outside of your control. Doesn't matter why you are put in this position. You are in it.
Combination of A and B.
Suck it up and if you don't get a raise for doing more work perhaps start looking elsewhere or quit if it becomes too much.
C and D are really the same thing. You should only try option C if you would rather quit than take on the new job. There is a good chance that it won't go over well at all and you will quit anyway. I'd say at least try to do the job first unless you 100% know that you won't like it.
Gotta say I agree and not to be rude, but I kind of leaned towards option A, although I absolutely understand where you're coming from. A job is a job and sometimes responsibilities change, you do have to try and be flexible for your company too. Keep in mind they are trying to manage as well, and if there is a hiring freeze then it needs to be managed as fairly as possible.
My vote is also a combination of A and B, but mainly to sit and talk with your boss and explain your concerns clearly and professionally (not saying you wouldn't, but it only takes a tiny bit of self-entitled shittiness to ruin work relationships). Carefully voice your concern and try to work with your boss in finding a solution that works, even if you have to make suggestions. A lot of people are under the impression that managers/bosses are there to fix every issue that everyone has on demand, but in fact, people are expected to be working professionals and also help them manage too.
There is a huge difference between somebody coming to their manager with an issue open-minded with ideas/thoughts in mind, and the ones that run to their boss crying when things aren't perfect playing the victim card. Just being honest here, and in no way am I saying anything of this about you Funk. You obviously are treating this carefully and that's very respectable!
My vote is to sit down with your manager and discuss, keeping in mind they are likely stressed over it too. It's best to be open to the challenge (attitude-wise), although this is your opportunity to discuss concerns and it's absolutely appropriate to ask if you'd be compensated for the additional responsibilties. Odds are they will give you the run around with blah blah we will remember this when raises come around blah blah.
Keep your current work scene secure, and feel free to keep an eye out on other job opportunities if you get boned, but the last thing you'd want to do is quit or jeopardize your job at this stage. Good luck!
"Hiring freeze" / "no money right now for a salary increase" / "can't promote you" is just corporate nonsense they tell you to justify the status quo and brush you off. Your boss's boss can ask for OOB exceptions for raises or promotions at any time if it's needed. If not, your company is such a sh*tshow that you should be looking anyway.
I'm assuming you're a superstar or at least a consistent above-average performer in your yearly evaluations with growth potential; otherwise your leverage is significantly decreased.
I'd go to your boss and lay out how you think the department should be structured, with you direct-line managing some of these guys or other people in your function, and of course a higher job title and salary than you have now.
Yes, this is ballsy, but you simply won't get what you don't ask for in corporate America. Plus, if these tester guys are such ingrates, then you can spin it to your manager that you're removing some headaches from his plate. Being direct and laying out a specific vision means you know what you can do to help the company while helping your own career at the same time.
The downside to this sort of action really is limited and you'll be surprised what you can get if you ask for it. Take this from someone who worked at a failing company and saw how many exceptions were being made for people they can't afford to lose. In the meantime, they're more than happy to overwork and underpay people who are willing to keep quiet and take it.
One of the best reasons for starting to accumulate a rainy day fund of what you need to survive 6 months without a job is it gives you the option to strike when the iron is hot and go with B. If you can't bear to be fired for job security or pure monetary reasons then you're basically boxed into A.
I voted D.
Haha, jokes... Never sell-off. I voted E.
Ask for a raise, knowing you're going to keep the job either way. If they give it to you, great. If not, more reason to look for another job harder.
In the meantime, keep getting paid and look for another gig. Feel good knowing you're still getting paid and looking for something better in the meantime.
That's what I'm telling myself, haha.
Your goal is to continue to have income, while protecting both your sanity and long-term employment. Gaining more pay is nice, but it might come at a cost.
It sounds to me like your company is going downhill; I've seen more than a few companies go to hell with a few key people leaving. So A should be your short-term goal.
B has risks involved; people act like asking for a raise won't hurt you. I've known many a manager who, after having someone ask for a raise, have black-balled them and skip over them come comp time. Never mind the fact that most managers simpley do not have the power to grant raises on the fly. And in rare cases, asking for a raise can lead you to the door faster than you expect. It's really a case by case, but from how you say, it sounds like the company is tight and hurting; this might be viewed as kicking them while they're down or trying to take advantage of it.
C has more risks than B; in every company I've been at, depending on how you do this, it means you may never get offered a position again. So unless you want to do the job you currently have forever, C isn't a very good choice. Shit has already hit the fan, now it's damage control.
D is much too soon, and your collection isn't going to give you an income. It's a cash injection, short term at best. And the problem with collections, it's hard to sell them quickly and for their value, so you'll most likely make much less money than you expect if you try this route.
So I would do A, while hitting up Dice and Monster, looking right off the bat. This current job is giving you what amounts to free training, take it, learn the role, and don't worry about the fear, it's the best fucking teacher I've ever had. The guy who's leaving, make sure you have his contact info, so you can follow if he gets a good gig.