There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
I do have a comment relative to the topic question though, there is an easy way to get uncommon games for cheap.......buy them for their current price before people realize how uncommon they are. Here is a small list of NES games that should be over $100 due to how uncommon they are, yet people aren't really looking for them because they don't yet realize they're uncommon:
- Bases Loaded 4
- Goal 2
- Pro Sport Hockey
- Casino Kid II
- Last Action Hero
- Namco Pac-Man
- Alfred Chicken
There are more but I won't ruin them all. There are still games under the radar, you just have to know the industry well enough to figure out what they are.
Most of these are sports games or absolute shit, save for Pac-Man and Alfred Chicken (and the former is a re-release). They are rare, yes, but the only people that are likely to buy these are collectors.
The only one of these that is likely to go up in price is Alfred Chicken since it's a hidden gem pretty solid game IMO
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
Rare isn't relative, if there are 5,000,000 copies of one game and 1,000 of another, neither are rare. Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare. And yes, Stadium Events would have initially had a 10,000 print run but unfortunately for that game there was a factory recall so many of them got sent for destruction or repurposing, leaving far fewer in circulation.
If you have $100,000 and go looking for a Stadum Events, you can have one by the end of the day. Can you do the same with a Gamma Attack? Red Sea Crossing? Nintendo Campus Challenge? You can't because they're rare.
I believe it was Howard of Nintendo that eluded to the 10,000 minimum print run but I can't remember for sure. I read it here on the forums.
Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare.
I disagree with that completely. That's not how we view rarity, and 1,000 isn't very common at all. If there are 1,000 copies of something just in the US, with an even distribution, that's only 20 copies per state. That's pretty rare. Platinum is rare by all accounts, but there's more than 1,000 pieces of platinum out there.
Rarity *IS* realitive, and not based on a set number. Otherwise you would say DeLoreans are rare (being less than 10,000), but deloran wheels are not, because there's about 24,000-40,000 of them out there.
When people talk about rare games, they mean realitive to other games. That is how they mean the team rare, there is no argument that can prove there is no rare games, because people do not mean the term in that way. Not all games had the same production run numbers, and some games are harder to find than others. Like the examples I listed.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
when people talk about rarity they dont use that at all in most scenes. They are talking about relative to what they are collecting. Setting number limits is dumbassery to me. Even in comics they arent going to use these terms in the mainstream. If a comic 40 years ago had a 5,000 print run, you can pretty much say nowadays its fuckin rare not "more common than average". That gerber list is some elitist bullshit to me.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
Rare isn't relative, if there are 5,000,000 copies of one game and 1,000 of another, neither are rare. Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare. And yes, Stadium Events would have initially had a 10,000 print run but unfortunately for that game there was a factory recall so many of them got sent for destruction or repurposing, leaving far fewer in circulation.
If you have $100,000 and go looking for a Stadum Events, you can have one by the end of the day. Can you do the same with a Gamma Attack? Red Sea Crossing? Nintendo Campus Challenge? You can't because they're rare.
I believe it was Howard of Nintendo that eluded to the 10,000 minimum print run but I can't remember for sure. I read it here on the forums.
Anyone can make up some bullshit numbers. Youll never know alot of them in this hobby anyway. It absolutely is relative because not every collecting hobby is the damn same with what they are collecting.
and no shit....stadium events isnt worth 100,000. You make it very public and throw 10-15x what something is worth you will have a seller by the end of the day.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
That system though has had a lot of pushback, and honestly, is quite idiotic. And is broken too, as GCG has graded more copys of some books than there are listed in the ratings, but the Gerber ratings don't update.
But if you were just looking at nes carts, this would mean you average game isn't "average" rarity. Hell, even with comics, your average comic isn't "average". And don't get me started on how you can have four copies of unique items....
The problem with the comic book is that, they're just looking at the already rare titles. Gerber isn't ranking all comics, or at least average, commons, are 1-3, it's mostly already ranking all rare items out of the thousands of comics printed in the almost 200 years of comic book history, or at least the last 100ish that people care about and when they were monthly.
This scale would only apply and scale to video games if you looked at ALL videogames, not just consoles, in which case there would be no rare retail nes games, but there are many rare published video games. And such a scale would be worthless for this site, as it doesnt care about really rare games except for a handful of nes oddballs that are generally questionable on if they're considered retail.
Average rarity means just that. How rare your average game is. Rare, by itself, does not mean it's exceedingly rare to the point no common collector will see one. and 50 items - 10 items, there should not be a diffrence there. For comics, there are many comics that fall in the < 50 known, but there's not nearly as many nes carts that follow thorugh that area. Claiming something like Flintstones Suprise isn't rare is crazy, as it's a lot more rare than the bulk of nes carts. But it's a lot more common than say, akalabeth. Context is key.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
That system though has had a lot of pushback, and honestly, is quite idiotic. And is broken too, as GCG has graded more copys of some books than there are listed in the ratings, but the Gerber ratings don't update.
But if you were just looking at nes carts, this would mean you average game isn't "average" rarity. Hell, even with comics, your average comic isn't "average". And don't get me started on how you can have four copies of unique items....
The problem with the comic book is that, they're just looking at the already rare titles. Gerber isn't ranking all comics, or at least average, commons, are 1-3, it's mostly already ranking all rare items out of the thousands of comics printed in the almost 200 years of comic book history, or at least the last 100ish that people care about and when they were monthly.
This scale would only apply and scale to video games if you looked at ALL videogames, not just consoles, in which case there would be no rare retail nes games, but there are many rare published video games. And such a scale would be worthless for this site, as it doesnt care about really rare games except for a handful of nes oddballs that are generally questionable on if they're considered retail.
Average rarity means just that. How rare your average game is. Rare, by itself, does not mean it's exceedingly rare to the point no common collector will see one. and 50 items - 10 items, there should not be a diffrence there. For comics, there are many comics that fall in the < 50 known, but there's not nearly as many nes carts that follow thorugh that area. Claiming something like Flintstones Suprise isn't rare is crazy, as it's a lot more rare than the bulk of nes carts. But it's a lot more common than say, akalabeth. Context is key.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
I'm somewhere in between these two statements. I tend to lean more towards buyatari's direction. I tend to describe relatively scarce stuff as "uncommon" and reserve rare for those few items that you will have a hell of a time finding for sale at all.
I will say this, I am so glad that folks on this site generally understand "rare" as "scarce" as opposed to expensive. My god, have you ever googled rare games on system x? It's almost exclusively garbage. Yes, final fantasy VII black label is "rare", I paid $30+ for it. Nevermind that it was the top selling game on the system.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
I don't collect D&D material but here is a list of what one D&D collecting website considers "the rares"
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
I don't collect D&D material but here is a list of what one D&D collecting website considers "the rares"
well i just read that F2 isnt a rare "NES" game, and you could "understand" someone if they said its rarer than top gun. Like its something even remotely comparable.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
well i just read that F2 isnt a rare "NES" game, and you could "understand" someone if they said its rarer than top gun. Like its something even remotely comparable.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
Ha, well I don't own an F2 cart if that makes you better about it.
Imagine that you got into a cash crunch and needed to sell something that you could repurchase in a couple of months.
F2 might have a price swing but finding another won't be an issue.
I just don't see things that are offered for sale all the time as being considered rare.
You could say the same many things worth a ton of money like the Amazing Spider-Man #1 comic book from 1963.
It is always for sale. It is desirable and expensive but it isn't rare. The Archie #1 comic from what I can tell seems rare.
Rarity does not equal price. There are many NES items worth less than a loose F2 that you never see for sale. Some 3 and 5 screw variants never show up example.
well i just read that F2 isnt a rare "NES" game, and you could "understand" someone if they said its rarer than top gun. Like its something even remotely comparable.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
You missed his point entirely. He said anyone with enough $ could have a loose NES set over a matter of a few months. His point is more in absolutes; none of the licensed loose stuff is truly rare since within a month or two you could buy any of it online. Honestly, "rare" is about as overused as "holy grail" these days.
Just because it happens to be expensive doesn't make it rare, just means that supply is less than demand.
Now if you want a sealed Dino Peak, you're gonna be waiting a while.
I've always defined rare as relative to the set. Comparing across mediums doesn't make a lot of sense.
If you walk into a game convention or hop on eBay you can see an F2 at any time. You're dealing with collectors / resellers who have sought out those items already.
If you browse newly listed NES game lots all day everyday, you probably won't see any F2s unless it is a collector unloading the remnants of a collection all in one swoop.
If loose guys want to call it rare I'm okay with that. If purists want to argue that it is not rare compared to some of the rarest items in the hobby, I agree with that too. My point is that comparison should never be made in the first place since "rare" implies "relative to the set" by connotation. That's how our rarity guides work here as well.
I've always defined rare as relative to the set. Comparing across mediums doesn't make a lot of sense.
exactly my point. Why does everyone keep thinking I am saying money means rare. Of course I know that. I also have common sense and know when a money title is actually rare because ive collected a long freaking time. Dino peak is way rarer than most nes games. Its relative to nintendo collecting.
How about all the rare elitist opinions can just in their brain substitute "rarer" in for rare when they read it.
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There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
Who said Little Samson was rare?
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
I do have a comment relative to the topic question though, there is an easy way to get uncommon games for cheap.......buy them for their current price before people realize how uncommon they are. Here is a small list of NES games that should be over $100 due to how uncommon they are, yet people aren't really looking for them because they don't yet realize they're uncommon:
- Bases Loaded 4
- Goal 2
- Pro Sport Hockey
- Casino Kid II
- Last Action Hero
- Namco Pac-Man
- Alfred Chicken
There are more but I won't ruin them all. There are still games under the radar, you just have to know the industry well enough to figure out what they are.
Most of these are sports games or absolute shit, save for Pac-Man and Alfred Chicken (and the former is a re-release). They are rare, yes, but the only people that are likely to buy these are collectors.
The only one of these that is likely to go up in price is Alfred Chicken since it's a hidden gem pretty solid game IMO
buy Alfred chicken, got it
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
Rare isn't relative, if there are 5,000,000 copies of one game and 1,000 of another, neither are rare. Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare. And yes, Stadium Events would have initially had a 10,000 print run but unfortunately for that game there was a factory recall so many of them got sent for destruction or repurposing, leaving far fewer in circulation.
If you have $100,000 and go looking for a Stadum Events, you can have one by the end of the day. Can you do the same with a Gamma Attack? Red Sea Crossing? Nintendo Campus Challenge? You can't because they're rare.
I believe it was Howard of Nintendo that eluded to the 10,000 minimum print run but I can't remember for sure. I read it here on the forums.
Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare.
I disagree with that completely. That's not how we view rarity, and 1,000 isn't very common at all. If there are 1,000 copies of something just in the US, with an even distribution, that's only 20 copies per state. That's pretty rare. Platinum is rare by all accounts, but there's more than 1,000 pieces of platinum out there.
Rarity *IS* realitive, and not based on a set number. Otherwise you would say DeLoreans are rare (being less than 10,000), but deloran wheels are not, because there's about 24,000-40,000 of them out there.
When people talk about rare games, they mean realitive to other games. That is how they mean the team rare, there is no argument that can prove there is no rare games, because people do not mean the term in that way. Not all games had the same production run numbers, and some games are harder to find than others. Like the examples I listed.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
when people talk about rarity they dont use that at all in most scenes. They are talking about relative to what they are collecting. Setting number limits is dumbassery to me. Even in comics they arent going to use these terms in the mainstream. If a comic 40 years ago had a 5,000 print run, you can pretty much say nowadays its fuckin rare not "more common than average". That gerber list is some elitist bullshit to me.
There is no such thing as a rare game. Only expensive.
This comment is almost as dumb as this topic
This is the truest comment in this thread. The minimum print run for any retail licensed game was around 10,000 so there are well over 10,000 Little Samsons out there, the game definitely isn't rare in any way.
So are there 10,000 statium events out there in the US still? There are rare games for sure, and you're only thinking of NES carts from the sounds of it. And I'm not sure on that 10,000 cart print run, have a good source on that?
If there was no such thing as rare games, why did it take me 5 years to get neverwinter nights, and I'm the only person I've seen with Blue Thunder (Or care to have it). There's lots of rare games, even on the nes they did not all have the same size print runs. If there really were no rare games, then why in my 30ish years of collecting these bastards do I see the same ones so often, while others never show up.
I think you might just be misusing the word rare, and not taking context into account. Just because they made a lot of something doesn't mean it can't be rare, realitive to other games.
Rare isn't relative, if there are 5,000,000 copies of one game and 1,000 of another, neither are rare. Anything with 1,000 copies in existence isn't rare. And yes, Stadium Events would have initially had a 10,000 print run but unfortunately for that game there was a factory recall so many of them got sent for destruction or repurposing, leaving far fewer in circulation.
If you have $100,000 and go looking for a Stadum Events, you can have one by the end of the day. Can you do the same with a Gamma Attack? Red Sea Crossing? Nintendo Campus Challenge? You can't because they're rare.
I believe it was Howard of Nintendo that eluded to the 10,000 minimum print run but I can't remember for sure. I read it here on the forums.
Anyone can make up some bullshit numbers. Youll never know alot of them in this hobby anyway. It absolutely is relative because not every collecting hobby is the damn same with what they are collecting.
and no shit....stadium events isnt worth 100,000. You make it very public and throw 10-15x what something is worth you will have a seller by the end of the day.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
That system though has had a lot of pushback, and honestly, is quite idiotic. And is broken too, as GCG has graded more copys of some books than there are listed in the ratings, but the Gerber ratings don't update.
But if you were just looking at nes carts, this would mean you average game isn't "average" rarity. Hell, even with comics, your average comic isn't "average". And don't get me started on how you can have four copies of unique items....
The problem with the comic book is that, they're just looking at the already rare titles. Gerber isn't ranking all comics, or at least average, commons, are 1-3, it's mostly already ranking all rare items out of the thousands of comics printed in the almost 200 years of comic book history, or at least the last 100ish that people care about and when they were monthly.
This scale would only apply and scale to video games if you looked at ALL videogames, not just consoles, in which case there would be no rare retail nes games, but there are many rare published video games. And such a scale would be worthless for this site, as it doesnt care about really rare games except for a handful of nes oddballs that are generally questionable on if they're considered retail.
Average rarity means just that. How rare your average game is. Rare, by itself, does not mean it's exceedingly rare to the point no common collector will see one. and 50 items - 10 items, there should not be a diffrence there. For comics, there are many comics that fall in the < 50 known, but there's not nearly as many nes carts that follow thorugh that area. Claiming something like Flintstones Suprise isn't rare is crazy, as it's a lot more rare than the bulk of nes carts. But it's a lot more common than say, akalabeth. Context is key.
We both have different definitions of rarity. This isn't going to get resolved this way.
Rare in other hobbies is established as something you won't see for sale very often. The term is very overused by videogame collectors.
Here is the Gerber chart used in comics. Rare is 11-20 known examples to exist.
That system though has had a lot of pushback, and honestly, is quite idiotic. And is broken too, as GCG has graded more copys of some books than there are listed in the ratings, but the Gerber ratings don't update.
But if you were just looking at nes carts, this would mean you average game isn't "average" rarity. Hell, even with comics, your average comic isn't "average". And don't get me started on how you can have four copies of unique items....
The problem with the comic book is that, they're just looking at the already rare titles. Gerber isn't ranking all comics, or at least average, commons, are 1-3, it's mostly already ranking all rare items out of the thousands of comics printed in the almost 200 years of comic book history, or at least the last 100ish that people care about and when they were monthly.
This scale would only apply and scale to video games if you looked at ALL videogames, not just consoles, in which case there would be no rare retail nes games, but there are many rare published video games. And such a scale would be worthless for this site, as it doesnt care about really rare games except for a handful of nes oddballs that are generally questionable on if they're considered retail.
Average rarity means just that. How rare your average game is. Rare, by itself, does not mean it's exceedingly rare to the point no common collector will see one. and 50 items - 10 items, there should not be a diffrence there. For comics, there are many comics that fall in the < 50 known, but there's not nearly as many nes carts that follow thorugh that area. Claiming something like Flintstones Suprise isn't rare is crazy, as it's a lot more rare than the bulk of nes carts. But it's a lot more common than say, akalabeth. Context is key.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
We are all guilty of this to some degree but some more than others. "Rare" has simply been overused to satisfy only the owner of an item.
A loose F2 isn't rare. You can buy one with a click just about any time you want.
When you see something for sale and say "Ohh my god I have to sell sell sell and get this today because I might not see one again". THAT is rare.
Red Sea Crossing for 2600 is rare. A factory sealed F2 is rare. Loose F2 or SE no not so much.
I disagree. You're looking at rare in absolute terms. If I said "Flintstones SaDP is a pretty rare nes game", would you, in public, try to correct that?
I also can't agree with "satisfy only the owner of an item" part, I got rare stuff that I'll never sale, and how rare it is doesn't really matter except makes it slightly more intresting. Most of us here have been collecting for years, we know some games are more or less common than others. The ones that are less common are "rare" to some degree or another. An uncommon game, while not "rare", is still MORE RARE than common. Rare is the word all terms of rarity are based on; some people put too much stock in the word rare, then get upset for other people who use it.
If someone says a game is "rare", it's not as common as your average game. That's the only info you can and should take from that statement. There is no agreed level of "what's rare", so to try to apply one and to tell other people their idea of rarity is wrong won't work.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
I'm somewhere in between these two statements. I tend to lean more towards buyatari's direction. I tend to describe relatively scarce stuff as "uncommon" and reserve rare for those few items that you will have a hell of a time finding for sale at all.
I will say this, I am so glad that folks on this site generally understand "rare" as "scarce" as opposed to expensive. My god, have you ever googled rare games on system x? It's almost exclusively garbage. Yes, final fantasy VII black label is "rare", I paid $30+ for it. Nevermind that it was the top selling game on the system.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
Again it is overuse of the word only to satisfy the owner of an item. Most loose NES games are common and some are uncommon.
There are no rare loose licensed US NES games. With some $ and a few clicks, anyone can complete a loose licensed NES collection in a few months.
When you say there are no rare loose US nes games, are you claiming that they are all the same rarity ?
A game can be a rare nes game, and still be a common item.
As I've said a few times in diffrent words, in terms of videogames, even the rarest nes retail release is still more common than many really rare gaming items. But in terms of nes games, there are rare nes games.
Likewise, platinum is rare by all accounts. yet we all have countless items with it. It's in my contact case for example.
I suppose one could say that of the available US licensed NES games F2 is rarer than Top Gun.
However, to me it just sounds like another excuse to somehow use a word that doesn't fit and make it fit just so you can use the word.
F2 is not hard to find.
F2 is not a rare game and it isn't even a rare NES game. If you insist on finding a home for the rare NES tag then you will need to point to some unlicensed variations or early 1st print sealed examples to find rare NES games.
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
I don't collect D&D material but here is a list of what one D&D collecting website considers "the rares"
https://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/rares.html
To me, it sounds more like you're trying to assign more weight to the word rare than it really is.
Heck , many of us gre up with D&D, we had 5 main classes of monsters:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
Very Rare
Unique
Here, rare is in the middle. In most editions, it was 65% common, 20% uncommon, 11% rare, 4% very rare, unique would not be randomly found. I'd say this is a good setup, so to me, the "rare" nintendo games are all in the rare group, we'll call them R1 R2 and R3. If you found 10 nes games with even distrubution, 6-7 would be commons, 2 would be uncommon, and one rare game, maybe R1, maybe R2, maybe R3, and you might find something in the very rare catagory. The percents may be a bit high, but you get the idea how it works for my head, and I'm sure others will see it.
It's like saying something is "hot", at what number is something hot? If someone asks what the outside temp is, and it's 92 in Ohio, they'll say it's hot. Trying to cook on a pan that's 92 degrees, anyone will tell you that pan is cold, almost room temp.
I'd say the word rare fits quite well for describing nes games to each other. But overall for videogames, nes games are fairly common, and something like F2 is more common than your average C64 game. Most rare nes carts are more common than uncommon C64 games in the US; hence context matters.
I don't collect D&D material but here is a list of what one D&D collecting website considers "the rares"
https://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/...
Umm....
I wasn't talking rare items IRL. That was an in-game thing, every monster you encounter has a rarity set to it.
Groups of people, common animals, ect would be common encounters.
A goblin is uncommon (Same as a kobold) http://www.lomion.de/cmm/goblin.php
Mind Flayer is rare http://www.lomion.de/cmm/mindflay.php
Asocmoid would be very rare http://www.lomion.de/cmm/fungus.php
That's what that part was talking about. Every monster is in a rarity group.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
well i just read that F2 isnt a rare "NES" game, and you could "understand" someone if they said its rarer than top gun. Like its something even remotely comparable.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
Ha, well I don't own an F2 cart if that makes you better about it.
Imagine that you got into a cash crunch and needed to sell something that you could repurchase in a couple of months.
F2 might have a price swing but finding another won't be an issue.
I just don't see things that are offered for sale all the time as being considered rare.
You could say the same many things worth a ton of money like the Amazing Spider-Man #1 comic book from 1963.
It is always for sale. It is desirable and expensive but it isn't rare. The Archie #1 comic from what I can tell seems rare.
Rarity does not equal price. There are many NES items worth less than a loose F2 that you never see for sale. Some 3 and 5 screw variants never show up example.
well i just read that F2 isnt a rare "NES" game, and you could "understand" someone if they said its rarer than top gun. Like its something even remotely comparable.
Im out of this discussion. Thats some elitist bullshit right there. Dear lord.
Just because you have a gamestore and had it during a time where nes games were easier to find doesnt mean its still the same. Yes you can find an F2 online to buy. You also have to spend a thousand freaking dollars to get it. Thats why its online at all in the first place. Almost every one that pops up goes online because its expensive and well known.
You missed his point entirely. He said anyone with enough $ could have a loose NES set over a matter of a few months. His point is more in absolutes; none of the licensed loose stuff is truly rare since within a month or two you could buy any of it online. Honestly, "rare" is about as overused as "holy grail" these days.
Just because it happens to be expensive doesn't make it rare, just means that supply is less than demand.
Now if you want a sealed Dino Peak, you're gonna be waiting a while.
If you walk into a game convention or hop on eBay you can see an F2 at any time. You're dealing with collectors / resellers who have sought out those items already.
If you browse newly listed NES game lots all day everyday, you probably won't see any F2s unless it is a collector unloading the remnants of a collection all in one swoop.
If loose guys want to call it rare I'm okay with that. If purists want to argue that it is not rare compared to some of the rarest items in the hobby, I agree with that too. My point is that comparison should never be made in the first place since "rare" implies "relative to the set" by connotation. That's how our rarity guides work here as well.
I've always defined rare as relative to the set. Comparing across mediums doesn't make a lot of sense.
exactly my point. Why does everyone keep thinking I am saying money means rare. Of course I know that. I also have common sense and know when a money title is actually rare because ive collected a long freaking time. Dino peak is way rarer than most nes games. Its relative to nintendo collecting.
How about all the rare elitist opinions can just in their brain substitute "rarer" in for rare when they read it.