I think at this juncture education is a need more than a want. To have a productive society at this point education is a priority if we want to stay competitive in the world market, and I dont mean business degrees although there are some that will excel in that particular field. For instance I'm a RN, at the moment there are a shortage of nurses in the field and it's only going to grow. There are more RNs retiring than graduating from school and it's a degree that's not really suited for an online learning environment due to the lab courses and clinical portions. Where I went to school they only accepted 32 students a semester due to clinical rotation slots and even then approximately 33.3% couldn't hack it and either quit or failed out. We need to increase the number of nursing schools or find a way to increase the incentives for hospitals and healthcare related operations to allow nursing students to do their clinical or the situation will snowball into a crisis. On another note, the Medicare for all, we simply lack the infrastructure and the trained professionals to effectively accomplish such a goal. The company I work for supplies healthcare to 5-6% of the US population and a small chunk of the UKs. We are short handed constantly and my patient ratio is already above what my unit policy iterates is a safe ration, we have nurses already working 8 days straight working 12s, one of our other units is so short there I get asked to come in at least once a week to cover. Add even another 50 million to the rolls and we will start to have real issues. I work in cardiac critical care and I can't imagine trying to take extra patients in a hallway trying to run nitro or heparin drips, giving morphine, doing EKGs, while trying to protect their HIPPA rights with visitors passing by, let alone running a code if someone goes into cardiac arrest. Every Nurse I talk to is overloaded and alot of the Docs, NPs, and PAs are already working ridiculous hours. So in short, without educating and licensed more professionals, Medicare for all is a complete pipe dream unless we are willing to cut resources from some patients. We would have to make hard choices on who is worth saving and who isn't and quite frankly it's not something I would really be interested in doing.
Well said Dragonwarrior regarding education. I used to have a room mate that would work a 12 hour shift at one hospital and then moonlight at a second for another 12 hour shift. I would sometimes think about the people he would be helping at like hour 20 and hope he didn't get any one hurt.
If the hospital you worked for didn't have to pull out a profit, the money could increase the staff, I mean if candidates are available.
Well said Dragonwarrior regarding education. I used to have a room mate that would work a 12 hour shift at one hospital and then moonlight at a second for another 12 hour shift. I would sometimes think about the people he would be helping at like hour 20 and hope he didn't get any one hurt.
If the hospital you worked for didn't have to pull out a profit, the money could increase the staff, I mean if candidates are available.
That's part of the problem. We've even been pulling agency nurses in to fill slots and that comes with it's own set of problems as they are only there for 13 weeks. They have sent some nurses that can't even interpret EKGs or can barely obtain IV access, let alone now how to care for a post cath patient. The hospital has been looking because I see their job posts from the intra hospital hiring board and from monster, so it's not like they're not looking. They've even been offering a 10k sign on bonus for a year and tuition reimbursement, even though it's only like $160 a month.
Sounds like they are really doing all they can in the current system. During the recession I had a lot of trouble finding work so I went through a temp agency and worked at Heald College for a few months. They were a for profit college that shutdown a couple years ago as part of Corinthean Colleges.
Anyway, this place was messed up. The school hired a lot of ex car sales people who couldn't get work during the recession. The sales team would target poor students who could pay for the school through government grants and loans. The "education" ended up being more expensive than a public college or vocational school and I don't believe the credits were tranferable although I could be wrong. I bring this up because the student population was mostly recent high school graduate females and many of them thought they were getting an education that would allow them to become nurses. I'm not sure how many of them became nurses, bit if they did they were woefully unprepared.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if my experience was representative of the larger population, I think there are people who want to become nurses but they haven't found a way to get the education.
Sounds like they are really doing all they can in the current system. During the recession I had a lot of trouble finding work so I went through a temp agency and worked at Heald College for a few months. They were a for profit college that shutdown a couple years ago as part of Corinthean Colleges.
Anyway, this place was messed up. The school hired a lot of ex car sales people who couldn't get work during the recession. The sales team would target poor students who could pay for the school through government grants and loans. The "education" ended up being more expensive than a public college or vocational school and I don't believe the credits were tranferable although I could be wrong. I bring this up because the student population was mostly recent high school graduate females and many of them thought they were getting an education that would allow them to become nurses.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if my experience was representative of the larger population, I think there are people who want to become nurses but they haven't found a way to get the education.
I think there is an important distinction here between private colleges, that are properly regionally accredited, and FOR-PROFIT colleges, which are almost never regionally accredited (usually they are "nationally" accredited which is a bullshit term that means almost nothing of value).
There are a lot of supposed career-track/technical programs offered by those bogus for-profit colleges, and I'd view any career-prospect claims from their admissions/guidance departments with extreme skepticism. (i.e. many had inflated or otherwise misrepresentative placement rates)
The medical field has a lot of pipeline/throughput problems that it has been trying to work through for decades.
Good point. I know some private colleges are very prestigious, but when it comes to the smaller ones I can't always tell the difference. Some of the small regional colleges sound like the bad for profit colleges when they are not. For someone just out of high school with no life experience its got to be even harder.
I tried figuring out accreditation one time to talk to a friend that wanted to go to University of Phoenix, but I couldn't figure it out.
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If the hospital you worked for didn't have to pull out a profit, the money could increase the staff, I mean if candidates are available.
Well said Dragonwarrior regarding education. I used to have a room mate that would work a 12 hour shift at one hospital and then moonlight at a second for another 12 hour shift. I would sometimes think about the people he would be helping at like hour 20 and hope he didn't get any one hurt.
If the hospital you worked for didn't have to pull out a profit, the money could increase the staff, I mean if candidates are available.
That's part of the problem. We've even been pulling agency nurses in to fill slots and that comes with it's own set of problems as they are only there for 13 weeks. They have sent some nurses that can't even interpret EKGs or can barely obtain IV access, let alone now how to care for a post cath patient. The hospital has been looking because I see their job posts from the intra hospital hiring board and from monster, so it's not like they're not looking. They've even been offering a 10k sign on bonus for a year and tuition reimbursement, even though it's only like $160 a month.
Anyway, this place was messed up. The school hired a lot of ex car sales people who couldn't get work during the recession. The sales team would target poor students who could pay for the school through government grants and loans. The "education" ended up being more expensive than a public college or vocational school and I don't believe the credits were tranferable although I could be wrong. I bring this up because the student population was mostly recent high school graduate females and many of them thought they were getting an education that would allow them to become nurses. I'm not sure how many of them became nurses, bit if they did they were woefully unprepared.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if my experience was representative of the larger population, I think there are people who want to become nurses but they haven't found a way to get the education.
Sounds like they are really doing all they can in the current system. During the recession I had a lot of trouble finding work so I went through a temp agency and worked at Heald College for a few months. They were a for profit college that shutdown a couple years ago as part of Corinthean Colleges.
Anyway, this place was messed up. The school hired a lot of ex car sales people who couldn't get work during the recession. The sales team would target poor students who could pay for the school through government grants and loans. The "education" ended up being more expensive than a public college or vocational school and I don't believe the credits were tranferable although I could be wrong. I bring this up because the student population was mostly recent high school graduate females and many of them thought they were getting an education that would allow them to become nurses.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if my experience was representative of the larger population, I think there are people who want to become nurses but they haven't found a way to get the education.
I think there is an important distinction here between private colleges, that are properly regionally accredited, and FOR-PROFIT colleges, which are almost never regionally accredited (usually they are "nationally" accredited which is a bullshit term that means almost nothing of value).
There are a lot of supposed career-track/technical programs offered by those bogus for-profit colleges, and I'd view any career-prospect claims from their admissions/guidance departments with extreme skepticism. (i.e. many had inflated or otherwise misrepresentative placement rates)
The medical field has a lot of pipeline/throughput problems that it has been trying to work through for decades.
Definitely not an easy fix.
I tried figuring out accreditation one time to talk to a friend that wanted to go to University of Phoenix, but I couldn't figure it out.