Collection Controversy
After thinking about the whole Stadium Events thing (Does it count for the set), I was wondering if there were any other games that had debates on wether they counted as part of the collection.
Are there any games like this? If so, what's the story?
Are there any games like this? If so, what's the story?
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Myriad, Cheetahmen, Dino Peak, Sachen, NWC Gold, NWC grey, color a Dino, miracle piano, the entire FC library.
Then snes has DK Competition, Star Fox Weekend, Exertainment /Speed Racer, Noah's ark, macs
N64 has all the rental exclusives
Gamecube has Pokémon box
Gameboy color has singer izek and International soccer 99
Genesis has Outback Joey, and mega Drive has PAL Tetris.
Pretty much the rarest games are all debatable.
Dino Peak, color a Dino
Gameboy color has International soccer 99
What’s the deal on these, especially Color a Dino? I thought these are pretty universally set material.
IMO Outback Joey and Racermate Challenge II shouldn’t be part of the Genesis/NES sets. I see them more as singular exercise systems that come with a branded console, a set of one so to speak. Outback Joey doesn’t say Sega Genesis, it says Heartbeat Personal Trainer System... which happens to be a Sega Genesis. And Game Genie is more part of the NES set than a boxed Computrainer system, but everyone considers it an accessory. I do consider OJ and RC2 part of the sets mostly because popular opinion shifted, although I swear a while back more people were with me on Racermate.
MBR/SR and Stadium Events I think are totally undebatable, retail, seal of quality’d, licensed releases. It’s just effin’ rare exercise crap.
What’s the deal on these, especially Color a Dino? I thought these are pretty universally set material.
IMO Outback Joey and Racermate Challenge II shouldn’t be part of the Genesis/NES sets. I see them more as singular exercise systems that come with a branded console, a set of one so to speak. Outback Joey doesn’t say Sega Genesis, it says Heartbeat Personal Trainer System... which happens to be a Sega Genesis. And Game Genie is more part of the NES set than a boxed Computrainer system, but everyone considers it an accessory. I do consider OJ and RC2 part of the sets mostly because popular opinion shifted, although I swear a while back more people were with me on Racermate.
MBR/SR and Stadium Events I think are totally undebatable, retail, seal of quality’d, licensed releases. It’s just effin’ rare exercise crap.
It's not that I disagree, but rather that they have certain qualities and attributes that can be argued against their validity.
Color A Dino, Videomation, Taboo: The Sixth Sense, Miracle Piano, and Tiny Toon Adventures: Cartoon Workshop are all "Non-Games" so it can be debated that they aren't required for a complete "Game" collection. In a similar note, the same can be said for Family Basic on Famicom. You can even extend theargument into Where's Waldo, Great Waldo Search, Carmen Sandiego, and Donkey Kong Jr. Math to a lesser degree.
Dino Peak has whispers of being a rental exclusive so there's "It's not a retail release" being used as an argument, nevermind the fact that no one ever confirmed it being a blockbuster exclusive.
Outback Joey is so damn rare that people don't even know it even exists, let alone whether it counts or not. But it does in fact have the Sega seal of quality so it most certainly does count every bit as Sonic the Hedgehog counts.
Racermate Challenge II, well that's just another super rare unlicensed game is all. Exclusive mostly to gyms I guess.
International Soccer '99 is more or less a new discovery, and I think a Mexican release so "why should it count if I'm collecting only American" is the argument there. That being said I never seen anyone ever argue about it, but rather see the potential for an argument.
Bingo/TV Bingo for the Studio II also comes to mind. It wasn't even known about by collectors until somebody randomly found one over 20 years after the system had been discontinued, and only one other copy has since turned up. But if this one massive thread over at AtariAge is correct, there may or may not have been an extremely limited retail release of it at an employees only RCA company store. So possibly a retail release, but also not. It's very, very borderline. If it did see a release, then it would be the rarest game for any US system, with only one or two 2600 carts equaling it in terms of rarity.
Somebody mentioned Mr. Boston above for the Vectrex- there's about a dozen copies in varying states of completeness, but there's no evidence that it was ever sold back in the day, but a most had something to do with a random liquor promotional event or campaign. So it is something contemporary to the system itself, but also not a part of the full set. A bonus item, nothing more. Still way cool to own, though.
Some Channel F collectors don't see the first Democart as being part of the full set, but I'm one that does, as it was available for purchase back in the day. They made enough copies with a proper box to offer them for sale via mail order (and possibly even through select stores/dealers). The reason for debate is that it is just a Demonstration cartridge and isn't one of the normal Videocarts, though the "games" on it are perfectly playable. That, and it is really, really tough to find a copy of for collectors.
It seems that a lot of the debate about whether or not certain games count towards the full set for any system depends on how easy they are for collectors to obtain. Too many collectors just don't want certain titles to be counted so that their own collections aren't considered incomplete. This holds true for most systems.
UWC
Well played. Your sweet find has been all over the interwebs today.
UWC
Well played. Your sweet find has been all over the interwebs today.
Hagane for snes is an odd one with blockbuster only rumors
But haven't those been thoroughly debunked?
Hagane for snes is an odd one with blockbuster only rumors
But haven't those been thoroughly debunked?
Have they? I knew I’ve heard of mom and pop shops sell it but that’s probably from buying it at blockbuster. I’d be interested to know
I am not going after a "complete set" though so take this with a grain of salt.
To get to stadium events: It was licensed and released, but recalled an replaced.
There's no evidence that it was ever recalled. No one has come forward with any proof. It's just a story to explain the rarity.
To get to stadium events: It was licensed and released, but recalled an replaced.
There's no evidence that it was ever recalled. No one has come forward with any proof. It's just a story to explain the rarity.
Thanks for clarification. Someone should update the wikipedia article.
I threw in a section under the talk page anyway, hopefully someone who has "real" editing power changes it.
Honestly a good number of the ones for like nes, snes, n64, and other platforms fall into price. People want to call their collection complete but dont want to shell out 10k for a SE or 1500 for the snes comp carts and its just easier for them to say its not included for this reason or that reason. I dont exclude many games from full set collecting, and I've completed snes, n64, and gamecube and 4 away on nes, but the ones I do feel would be excluded for like SNES would be the MACS. They were solely created for the military use (defiantly not available to the public) and should have never made it out into the public anyways.
I agree. Some collectors just want an excuse to avoid paying up for expensive and hard to find games. You either have all the games or you don't have the complete set.
Besides. Even at 677 you're still only arbitrarily finished.
NWC Gold and Grey technically have different "publishers" with Grey being Nintendo and the group who ran the PowerFest event (can't rememver off hand but I have it in my notes), and Gold being Nintendo Power.
Also you have the PAL exclusives... it technically speaking the PAL-A and PAL-B library run differently than the NTSC library so you really need complete sets of them not just the 34/35 exclusives between them.
Same for Hong Kong, Asian, Hyundai Comboy, Samurai, and Playtronic.
Then...why are you arbitrarily ignoring 60-Pin Famicom? Throw a converter on any FC game and it'll work in your console, so it's the same platform.
Then you have the disk system
Then you have the Unlicensed libraries
Then you have the pirate originals
The list literally never ends. You have to choose somewhere to stop. Even Braveheart has his limits on how granular his variant hunting is. He doesn't care about the code on the bottom flaps of the box...because he'd need 6-8 copies of every variant he already has. Imagine needing 24 CIB Stadium Events to complete your variant collection.
Regarding complete collections you either have all the games or you don't. No middle term there. Could be awesome and expensive collections but if the games aren't all CIB and with all the rare expensive that came out as cart only games, it isn't a full collection. No shame in not having the rare CIB and very expensive games, doesn't and will never make you a better person or gamer. Lots of ignorant people have amazing videogame collection and they understand zero about gaming or have any love for certain games. People should be proud about their gaming collections and accomplishments in games, no matter what games they have or played.
I'm not seeing Aftermarket Games being mentioned. Gotta have them for a complete set.
Can't forget plug 'n play systems that run off NOAC that had original games developed for them. Atari Flashback 1 is choc full of NES games technically The true forgotten heroes of the NES library.
Can't forget plug 'n play systems that run off NOAC that had original games developed for them.
Oh yeah, your collection isn't complete if you don't have Nut Cracky, Aneamal Blockes, and the classic, Devildom Doom!
Can't forget plug 'n play systems that run off NOAC that had original games developed for them.
Oh yeah, your collection isn't complete if you don't have Nut Cracky, Aneamal Blockes, and the classic, Devildom Doom!
Walgreens clearance shelf today... Stadium Events tomorrow? Haters will say Walgreens plug 'n play systems don't count for the NES library cause they jealous.
Excuse or not, not having Stadium Events doesn't make you any less of a collector. 676/677 is an accomplishment.
Besides. Even at 677 you're still only arbitrarily finished.
NWC Gold and Grey technically have different "publishers" with Grey being Nintendo and the group who ran the PowerFest event (can't rememver off hand but I have it in my notes), and Gold being Nintendo Power.
Also you have the PAL exclusives... it technically speaking the PAL-A and PAL-B library run differently than the NTSC library so you really need complete sets of them not just the 34/35 exclusives between them.
Same for Hong Kong, Asian, Hyundai Comboy, Samurai, and Playtronic.
Then...why are you arbitrarily ignoring 60-Pin Famicom? Throw a converter on any FC game and it'll work in your console, so it's the same platform.
Then you have the disk system
Then you have the Unlicensed libraries
Then you have the pirate originals
The list literally never ends. You have to choose somewhere to stop. Even Braveheart has his limits on how granular his variant hunting is. He doesn't care about the code on the bottom flaps of the box...because he'd need 6-8 copies of every variant he already has. Imagine needing 24 CIB Stadium Events to complete your variant collection.
I agree that 676/677 or 767/768 is a big accomplishment, and doesn’t make you any less of a collector, but it’s not complete. I know a lot of people just caveat it with, "I've got a full licensed NA set minus SE", I know that’s how I'm doing it now. I doubt I’ll ever pony up the money to get a SE, but I also wouldn’t diminish the dedication of those who have, to call mine complete the same way theirs is. Also, including both NWC wouldn’t count towards a licensed/unlicensed set as they were both competition/contest prizes.
An absolute full set is unobtainable, as that includes all the one-off homebrews, prototypes, and so on. Someone could easily fork any attempt by putting some variation of Pong on a cart and keep it for themselves.
So then it becomes what qualifiers you attach to exclude what you don't collect. Retail, region, license, etc. We can all sort of agree on some things (licensed NA retail is 677 games, for instance), but we all know when people say "full" or "complete", they're using a limited version of the word. Someone else can argue it's not complete and be right.
Plenty even on the nes.
Myriad, Cheetahmen, Dino Peak, Sachen, NWC Gold, NWC grey, color a Dino, miracle piano, the entire FC library.
Then snes has DK Competition, Star Fox Weekend, Exertainment /Speed Racer, Noah's ark, macs
N64 has all the rental exclusives
Gamecube has Pokémon box
Gameboy color has singer izek and International soccer 99
Genesis has Outback Joey, and mega Drive has PAL Tetris.
Pretty much the rarest games are all debatable.
I've never seen Color a Dino or Miracle Piano get debated - I'm not even sure I've seen F2 get honestly debated.
I have 13/14 USA-released Virtual Boy games, but since Jack Bros has been cresting $400 lately, it makes a complete set less desirable as a "neat little collection" to have. Much less, some of the JPN-only releases that go for way way more than that.
If there were some technicality I could use to disqualify Jack Bros, I'd jump on it so I could call my set some form of "complete" without having to drop 400 extra bones. But it's just as normal and samey as normal can be. Calling the collection "complete minus Jack Bros" puts all the attention and focus onto Jack Bros and the fact that it's not complete.