Christchurch Shooting
Just seeing stuff about this and it is pretty horrible... anybody else seeing this unfold?
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/christchurch-shooting-gunman-livestreams-incident-for-17-minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/christchurch-shooting-gunman-livestreams-incident-for-17-minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live
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I'm thankfully on the other side of the country, but the attack has affected everyone. All the news stations perfectly reflect the public's reaction, shock and anger. Since we're in a relatively small country right at the bottom of the world, its effect is even greater.
The death toll is up to 49 as of writing this (10:13 pm 15/03 NZ Time,) and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher during the night. Don't really have any words to describe it, mainly baffled by it all. The country is even more unified during this time, which is fantastic to see.
I can't fathom what residents of Christchurch are going through, the past decade the city's had so many horrendous things happen to it, I can't give enough thoughts and prayers to those impacted.
It's an extremely scary time for the country. We've never had anything like this happen before. We pride ourselves on being one of the safest countries in the world, and this has potentially ruined that.
I'm thankfully on the other side of the country, but the attack has affected everyone. All the news stations perfectly reflect the public's reaction, shock and anger. Since we're in a relatively small country right at the bottom of the world, its effect is even greater.
The death toll is up to 49 as of writing this (10:13 pm 15/03 NZ Time,) and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher during the night. Don't really have any words to describe it, mainly baffled by it all. The country is even more unified during this time, which is fantastic to see.
I can't fathom what residents of Christchurch are going through, the past decade the city's had so many horrendous things happen to it, I can't give enough thoughts and prayers to those impacted.
The terrorist is Australian, apparently. Well known member of 4 Chan. Hate has been festering on that place for years (4 Chan, not Australia), and it’s only been a matter of time. He left an entire manifesto of anti-Islamic drivel.
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.
Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.
Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extremist-wrote-manifesto-before-livestreaming-christchurch-shooting
Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.
Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else).
The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".
Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Apparently he was a Trump fan.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto.
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.
Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/world...
Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.
Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else).
The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".
Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.
I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.
Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.
Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extr...
Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.
Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else).
The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".
Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.
I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.
Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.
The shooter wrote a 74 page manifesto laying bare his reasons and motivations. If he was moved by religious extremism, he would've included it in the document.
Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....
The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.
Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extr...
Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.
Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else).
The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".
Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.
I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.
Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.
The shooter wrote a 74 page manifesto laying bare his reasons and motivations. If he was moved by religious extremism, he would've included it in the document.
Yes I understand that, I had just admitted to changing my perspective on it in my post going from it being entirely religion driven to possibly only part of it (Him targeting religious groups) It still has "something" to do with it regardless.
Also who cares what he wrote, sure it's the only thing available that we have to base it on but it could all be bullshit and complete schizophrenia too.
Remember this is a guy who just shot up a church and made a video of it, we aren't exactly dealing with a sane person.
Exactly, we can't take a terrorist's manifesto at face value because it may be that their motive was specifically to stir up trouble and bait others into a conflict, not because they believe in one side or the other but because they want to provoke a fight between those sides.
You don't really need to bait people into conflict with white nationalists.
They are pretty universally despised to begin with.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
It's an extremely scary time for the country.
Fear is the ultimate control and business opportunity.
But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background
Satanic plant.
Is a Satanic plant someone who was placed there by Satan? Or like literally a plant organism, that also happens to worship Satan?
Apparently he was a Trump fan.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto.
As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.
Apparently he was a Trump fan.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto.
As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.
That's not what they were getting at.
Apparently he was a Trump fan.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto.
As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.
That's not what they were getting at.
So what the guy was allegedly, as MrWunderful posted, a Trump fan? That is meaningless, and hence the point of my previous post. Not everyone who supports Trump is a bad guy, by a mile. It's just an agenda promoted by those from the opposition side.
Then again, as we all know, fans of violent video games shoot up schools, fans of trashy music act violent and rape women, etc.
Regarding Trump's reaction to the event, he couldn't win for losing. Every time something comes up, someone says "Oh I can't believe he did this" or "He should have done that", no matter how much or how little he does or says. With that being said, who cares? For me personally, I'm more concerned about the shooting than what the president of a country far removed to the actual incident says.
I said in this thread earlier how the manifesto isn't necessarily clear insight into the shooter's mindset because while it is possible it should be taken at face value, it might also be intended to take one person's depravity and clothe it in some larger political meaning in order for it to wreak more damage. Some people just want to hurt others, and some want to become famous for it, and they feel they can achieve that (and maybe find some small bit of protection or defense) by attaching their violence to a larger conflict.
Regarding Trump's reaction to the event, he couldn't win for losing. Every time something comes up, someone says "Oh I can't believe he did this" or "He should have done that", no matter how much or how little he does or says. With that being said, who cares? For me personally, I'm more concerned about the shooting than what the president of a country far removed to the actual incident says.
How hard is it for him to condemn the white supremacy movement and curtail a lot of this? He never does, and he never will, because he believes white supremacists make up a chunk of his base. Whether they do or not, he believes they do, so he'll kowtow to keeping them in his fold. That alone is sickening.
And a "who cares" attitude is why this shit keeps happening.
Apparently he was a Trump fan.
InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?
I guess its since been deleted.
Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto.
As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.
Really Dave? Obviously not what we were saying. My comment was more on the lack of trump outright condemming it, but whatever
It's really simple. Trump says racist and zenophobic things regularly. He has racist and zenophobic policies and proposed policies. Racism has become more publicly visible since Trump has been president and there are regular terrorist attacks from conservative white extremists. White extremists are a danger to this country. Terror attacks can be counted and they are from right wing extremists more than any other group. If you don't see a connection to trump you may literally be retarded.
Bagging on retarded people? Not cool!