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  • It looks like it is finally over. Utterly disgusting.
  • It's an extremely scary time for the country. We've never had anything like this happen before. We pride ourselves on being one of the safest countries in the world, and this has potentially ruined that.

    I'm thankfully on the other side of the country, but the attack has affected everyone. All the news stations perfectly reflect the public's reaction, shock and anger. Since we're in a relatively small country right at the bottom of the world, its effect is even greater.

    The death toll is up to 49 as of writing this (10:13 pm 15/03 NZ Time,) and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher during the night. Don't really have any words to describe it, mainly baffled by it all. The country is even more unified during this time, which is fantastic to see.

    I can't fathom what residents of Christchurch are going through, the past decade the city's had so many horrendous things happen to it, I can't give enough thoughts and prayers to those impacted.
  • My condolences to all those affected. As for livestreaming something like this... that's a new, sick, low. I hope no one watches the video, because that is exactly what this evil person (or people) would like.
  • Originally posted by: Baddieboy Holden



    It's an extremely scary time for the country. We've never had anything like this happen before. We pride ourselves on being one of the safest countries in the world, and this has potentially ruined that.

    I'm thankfully on the other side of the country, but the attack has affected everyone. All the news stations perfectly reflect the public's reaction, shock and anger. Since we're in a relatively small country right at the bottom of the world, its effect is even greater.

    The death toll is up to 49 as of writing this (10:13 pm 15/03 NZ Time,) and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher during the night. Don't really have any words to describe it, mainly baffled by it all. The country is even more unified during this time, which is fantastic to see.

    I can't fathom what residents of Christchurch are going through, the past decade the city's had so many horrendous things happen to it, I can't give enough thoughts and prayers to those impacted.

    The terrorist is Australian, apparently. Well known member of 4 Chan. Hate has been festering on that place for years (4 Chan, not Australia), and it’s only been a matter of time. He left an entire manifesto of anti-Islamic drivel. 



     
  • Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.
  • Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)



    I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.



    Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.

     
  • Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)



    I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.



    Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extremist-wrote-manifesto-before-livestreaming-christchurch-shooting



    Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.



    Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else). 

    The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".



    Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.



     
  • Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.
  • Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.



    Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto. 

     
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)



    I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.



    Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world...



    Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.



    Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else). 

    The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".



    Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.



     

    I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.



    Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.

     
  • Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)



    I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.



    Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extr...



    Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.



    Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else). 

    The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".



    Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.



     

    I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.



    Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.

     



    The shooter wrote a 74 page manifesto laying bare his reasons and motivations. If he was moved by religious extremism, he would've included it in the document.

     
  • Originally posted by: teh lurv

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: KlaklonxieShrools



    Yup, being a fanatic religious maniac will do that to ya....



    The establishment of religions were a major downfall for our race, I don't care how many people it "helps" it doesn't make up for anything.



    I would expect the overlap between practitioners of religion and 4chan users to be pretty small...



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background beyond the 4chan affiliation (which breeds its own set of wierdos)



    I'm not familiar with 4chan so I can't comment on that but I'd take your word on it.



    Just crazy how much of an influence make believe stuff can have on people that causes them to act out in such ways.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extr...



    Read the excerpts from the shooter's manifesto.



    Religion doesn't really factor into this, beyond the guy being anti-Muslim (rather than pro-anything-else). 

    The guy described himself as an "ethnonationalist and a fascist".



    Basically it was an attack against brown people by a white nationalist, not some kind of religious crusade.



     

    I'd have a hard time thinking it had no influence on it whatsoever but yeah maybe not the only reason.



    Though, I would have a hard time taking anything he says as truth or with any sanity behind it.

     



    The shooter wrote a 74 page manifesto laying bare his reasons and motivations. If he was moved by religious extremism, he would've included it in the document.

     

    Yes I understand that, I had just admitted to changing my perspective on it in my post going from it being entirely religion driven to possibly only part of it (Him targeting religious groups) It still has "something" to do with it regardless.



    Also who cares what he wrote, sure it's the only thing available that we have to base it on but it could all be bullshit and complete schizophrenia too.



    Remember this is a guy who just shot up a church and made a video of it, we aren't exactly dealing with a sane person.
  • Exactly, we can't take a terrorist's manifesto at face value because it may be that their motive was specifically to stir up trouble and bait others into a conflict, not because they believe in one side or the other but because they want to provoke a fight between those sides.
  • Originally posted by: Scrobins09



    Exactly, we can't take a terrorist's manifesto at face value because it may be that their motive was specifically to stir up trouble and bait others into a conflict, not because they believe in one side or the other but because they want to provoke a fight between those sides.



    You don't really need to bait people into conflict with white nationalists.



    They are pretty universally despised to begin with.

     
  • This is awful.
  • Caught bits and pieces of it, hate when shit like this goes on.
  • Our new reality. People cultivating growing anger and resentment on the internet, before unleashing it through violence in the real world, indiscriminately trying to murder as many people of whatever "faction" they blame for all of their problems.
  • I don't know what is more depressing, this happening or the people online reacting to it with, "Well, the Muslims reap what they sew." And yes, most of them spelled "sow" wrong.
  • You can't blame anyone or anything except the asshole who did it.



    Some men just want to watch the world burn.
  • Originally posted by: Baddieboy Holden

    It's an extremely scary time for the country.

    Fear is the ultimate control and business opportunity.

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel



    But I haven't read up on this guy's supposed background

    Satanic plant.



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  • The prodigal son returns



    Is a Satanic plant someone who was placed there by Satan? Or like literally a plant organism, that also happens to worship Satan?
  • Originally posted by: teh lurv

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.



    Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto. 

     

    As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.



     
  • Originally posted by: fcgamer

     
    Originally posted by: teh lurv

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.



    Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto. 

     

    As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.



     

    That's not what they were getting at.





     
  • Originally posted by: Tulpa

     
    Originally posted by: fcgamer

     
    Originally posted by: teh lurv

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.



    Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto. 

     

    As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.



     

    That's not what they were getting at.





     

    So what the guy was allegedly, as MrWunderful posted, a Trump fan?  That is meaningless, and hence the point of my previous post.  Not everyone who supports Trump is a bad guy, by a mile.  It's just an agenda promoted by those from the opposition side.  



    Then again, as we all know, fans of violent video games shoot up schools, fans of trashy music act violent and rape women, etc.



    Regarding Trump's reaction to the event, he couldn't win for losing.  Every time something comes up, someone says "Oh I can't believe he did this" or "He should have done that", no matter how much or how little he does or says.  With that being said, who cares?  For me personally, I'm more concerned about the shooting than what the president of a country far removed to the actual incident says.

     
  • Yes, not every Trump fan is a bad person, but there is a certain trend across the people who idolize him. Criticizing Trump for "how much/little he says/does" is important though because while there is rightfully significant concern with regard to the shooter who committed such violence, concern toward Trump is justified given how his rhetoric emboldens others to commit violence. And one thing that makes his words (or lack thereof) significant is that despite any outcry, he nonchalantly moves on to something else because he doesn't care, which leaves others with the impression that this type of thinking and behavior is increasingly acceptable or that there is a false equivalency between the opposing viewpoints (the both sides at fault). Hell, look at his campaign rallies, where he tells crowds to beat up protestors, promising to pay the legal bills of anyone who demonstrates their loyalty to him. Trump may be on the other side of the world, but his megaphone reaches all corners.



    I said in this thread earlier how the manifesto isn't necessarily clear insight into the shooter's mindset because while it is possible it should be taken at face value, it might also be intended to take one person's depravity and clothe it in some larger political meaning in order for it to wreak more damage. Some people just want to hurt others, and some want to become famous for it, and they feel they can achieve that (and maybe find some small bit of protection or defense) by attaching their violence to a larger conflict.
  • Originally posted by: fcgamer



    Regarding Trump's reaction to the event, he couldn't win for losing.  Every time something comes up, someone says "Oh I can't believe he did this" or "He should have done that", no matter how much or how little he does or says.  With that being said, who cares?  For me personally, I'm more concerned about the shooting than what the president of a country far removed to the actual incident says.

     

    How hard is it for him to condemn the white supremacy movement and curtail a lot of this? He never does, and he never will, because he believes white supremacists make up a chunk of his base. Whether they do or not, he believes they do, so he'll kowtow to keeping them in his fold. That alone is sickening.



    And a "who cares" attitude is why this shit keeps happening.



     
  • Originally posted by: fcgamer

     
    Originally posted by: teh lurv

     
    Originally posted by: MrWunderful



    Apparently he was a Trump fan.



    InStead of outright condemning it, Trump tweeted a link to a Breitbart article about it LOL I wonder what the comment section looks like?



    I guess its since been deleted.



    Yep, he explicitly referenced Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity in his manifesto. 

     

    As we all know, anyone who supports Trump is a bad guy...no good Trump supporters the world wide.



     





    Really Dave?  Obviously not what we were saying.  My comment was more on the lack of trump outright condemming it, but whatever
  • It's really simple. Trump says racist and zenophobic things regularly. He has racist and zenophobic policies and proposed policies. Racism has become more publicly visible since Trump has been president and there are regular terrorist attacks from conservative white extremists. White extremists are a danger to this country. Terror attacks can be counted and they are from right wing extremists more than any other group. If you don't see a connection to trump you may literally be retarded.
  • Originally posted by: CaliforniaGamingSD



    It's really simple. Trump says racist and zenophobic things regularly. He has racist and zenophobic policies and proposed policies. Racism has become more publicly visible since Trump has been president and there are regular terrorist attacks from conservative white extremists. White extremists are a danger to this country. Terror attacks can be counted and they are from right wing extremists more than any other group. If you don't see a connection to trump you may literally be retarded.



    Bagging on retarded people? Not cool!

     
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