If you're paying for 4K monitors and gigabit internet that supports 4K streaming, I imagine you're not the kind of person who deals with compromises like compression artifacts or input lag. I find Steam Link, which isn't over the internet, to be a pretty "acceptable/good" experience in terms of artifacts and input lag but it can't compare to an HDMI cable. I'm mainly interested to see how purchasing games will work. This would be great local multiplayer games, because I tend to only play them for like 20 minutes max with my friends, so having a big library and not having to buy each one individually would be amazing, and utmost quality and lowest input lag generally doesn't matter for those.
State share sounds pretty damn neat. I'm not sure what you'd do with it, but sending a link to an in-browser save state sounds amazing. Instead of watching a Youtube video of some weird thing that happened in a game, you could relive it yourself.
I guess I am just old and jaded already w.r.t gaming but I didn't see really anything that would be amazing or new with this. All I see is a couple gimmicks that really don't make gaming any better. Share save states could be neat but other than that it just looks like crap gimmicks. Massive lag, no physical storage or games, data collecting, etc. doesn't really appeal to me.
They also had the Konami code on the back of the controller. Not sure what that's all about.
I guess I am just old and jaded already w.r.t gaming but I didn't see really anything that would be amazing or new with this. All I see is a couple gimmicks that really don't make gaming any better. Share save states could be neat but other than that it just looks like crap gimmicks. Massive lag, no physical storage or games, data collecting, etc. doesn't really appeal to me.
All of this. Can't wait to see what the "competition" does.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Keep process farms in one central location and we'll...you're destined to fail.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
I’m tired of paying $1000+ every few years to play modern games on max settings.
I want a $35 fire stick that can play the next 10 assassins creeds, far cry’s, elder scrolls, fallouts, and call of duties on max settings whether I bought that stick today, or 10 years from now.
I also want an app in my phone and tablet can do this too.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
I’m tired of paying $1000+ every few years to play modern games on max settings.
I want a $35 fire stick that can play the next 10 assassins creeds, far cry’s, elder scrolls, fallouts, and call of duties on max settings whether I bought that stick today, or 10 years from now.
I also want an app in my phone and tablet can do this too.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Agreed, I've already got rid of all my consoles and just exclusively use Steam at this point so a step above that would be way better.
Sooooo ready for the digital age, they need to change up the formula.
I wonder how fast your connection has to be for games to be playable. I'm betting "faster than mine." Their target is probably people who already have that speed.
I don't like it, don't want anything to do with it. It's just what the gaming industry is chomping at the bit for these days, removing all form of control and ownership, along with not just local storage but also resale of anything you so called pay for. This is just the next step, get a network going where all the good stuff is run at various software network hubs and you just stream out to a box that can run it acceptably so people can play on a device. You'll be told you're buying when as no one ever reads the TOS you're just renting time until whatever brings upon the end of that limit. If you give this much control over, there will be no incentive on their end anymore to give real sales or breaks as competition would be out of there. Take the ability to second hand sale and the ability to even keep a copy of the data locally away, and there will be zero reason to cut prices or give much in the way of discount sales either as you'll have a digital monopoly on the console front. I know it probably will go this way as things speed up, but there's no reason to not at least push back against it as you see some with these limited run or somewhat localized pressings of formerly digital only games on Nintendo Switch and others today.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Isn't that more or less a vpn to rdp whether on-site or 'in le cloud'?
To be honest I barely have an idea what that really means.
All I want is a platform that uses any size screen to do the same thing, whether that screen is a watch, phone, tablet, laptop, monitor, television, or projector. All your device needs to do is act as a screen with input capabilities.
I want 100% of the storage and processing to be done off-site on a shared supercomputer.
I can even pay for levels of power. If I want to just do basic word processing and web browsing then I can get the cheaper package. If I want to play some modern games and watch 4k videos then the mid-grade. If I want to do home video editing, or some really process intensive "pro-sumer" activities then I get the high end package. There can even be industrial and commercial tiers.
Best of all, a system like this will only have 1 system spec, and 1 global operating system.
That means developers only need to make ONE version of the software ever. They can focus on shipping it out the door perfectly and not need to worry about different system specifications, operating system limitations, or even processing power limits.
IF (and I mean really big IF there!) this works as advertised, I can see this as being a really cool service for more causal PC gamers and others who have never found PC gaming particularly accessible. I could definitely see myself as a customer for this service, as someone who has never owned a gaming PC, and doesn't do any sort of PC gaming. I often feel like there are modern games I would like to at least try out, but I've always got so much other gaming to do, I would never actually invest in the PC or the library of games to make that worth it. An all-you-can-eat service, streaming direct to my laptop, TV or phone where I could jump in and out of games at will, and just try this and that without commitment would appeal to me.
I can definitely see how such a service would NOT appeal to hardcore PC gamers though, of course. And as with everyone else, I wonder if technical limitations may hamper the service too. But if they can figure that out, and if it's cheap enough, then why not, eh?!
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
What's the data usage look like while streaming games?
Living in an area with a data cap, I've only gotten close to it once. It it was solely to due to game updates when I had to factory reset my One S.....updates not game downloads except for MC collection. I don't feel like paying more for internet just so I can stream games.
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
Those are bad examples.
You purchase the milk. You own the milk. You can do with the milk as you please, but the product has an expiration date. Drinking the milk is simply that you choose to do with a product you own.
You go to the theatre for the experience. You are paying for the experience of going out, sitting in a big room, watching it on a big screen, then going home. You do not buy tickets to a theatre with the intent of owning something.
It's no different than netflix or hulu except for data use. Netflix is pretty simple, you select the title and it streams that video to you. The video is a static data source as in the data is largely one way...to you. With gaming, you are now manipulating the entire experience and it's sending that data out to be sent back. It's a dynamic experience. If I'm playing....say Doom...what's the data use going to look like? Does it download entire levels or the whole game? If I turn it off, play another game, then decide to go back to Doom do I have to redownload or is the data temp cashed to the console?
You are also stuck with whatever version of the game that is most recent. If they decide to censor or remove levels...too bad. Want to come back to it a few years from now but the game is no longer available to stream...too bad.
I never said I supported hulu or netflix. I own the movies I want and use those streamers for things I haven't seen and/or have no need to own.
In the same way you own the movies you want, you'll be able to own the games you want. Just download them from Steam or wherever just like always. This is an ADDITIONAL service, it's not taking anything that already exists away. I have no interest in owning PC games, which is why I don't own any. I am interested in perhaps trying out some PC games, which is something that I have not been able to do before because I'm not willing to invest in the hardware and software etc.
The data cap and bandwidth thing is a problem, I assume, for some. Not me, so I can't comment on that.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Keep process farms in one central location and we'll...you're destined to fail.
p.s. I demand 5% royalties for my idea.
So basically create "Josephleo physics" to make it happen?
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
But what games are going to be on there? The problem is with the App Stores out there for all your mobile platforms, why waste money on a gaming streaming service? Would I pay $5 a month to play app store quality mobile games? No. Would I pay to play games that have little QA? No. Are major developers going to sign onto this? Probably not, especially when NIntendo, Sony, and Microsoft can all do that on their own (and some even do already).
Plus, Google is shitty to their users data, so I'd not use it just because of that.
It's no different than netflix or hulu except for data use. Netflix is pretty simple, you select the title and it streams that video to you. The video is a static data source as in the data is largely one way...to you. With gaming, you are now manipulating the entire experience and it's sending that data out to be sent back. It's a dynamic experience. If I'm playing....say Doom...what's the data use going to look like? Does it download entire levels or the whole game? If I turn it off, play another game, then decide to go back to Doom do I have to redownload or is the data temp cashed to the console?
You seem to have missed the point of what Google presented.
It is supposed to function EXACTLY like Netflix -- i.e. they are only streaming the video output, with the program and all processing done on their side.
There is no game to download, just a raw stream. (with your control inputs streaming to them in the other direction)
Based on the latency mentioned upthread (10 frames at 60Hz), personally, I think it sounds borderline unplayable.
And I expect that latency is the current "best case" for people who are nearly co-located with the server farms.
For real-world players going over a mobile network it will be way worse.
That is basically unplayable for anything that isn't turn-based.
Even 100ms total latency feels pretty miserable when you can compare it against a tighter console experience (with either a CRT TV or a TV with a decent game-mode)
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State share sounds pretty damn neat. I'm not sure what you'd do with it, but sending a link to an in-browser save state sounds amazing. Instead of watching a Youtube video of some weird thing that happened in a game, you could relive it yourself.
10 frames of input lag at 60FPS.
PASS.
That sounds miserable.
YOU SOUND MISERABLE!
They also had the Konami code on the back of the controller. Not sure what that's all about.
I guess I am just old and jaded already w.r.t gaming but I didn't see really anything that would be amazing or new with this. All I see is a couple gimmicks that really don't make gaming any better. Share save states could be neat but other than that it just looks like crap gimmicks. Massive lag, no physical storage or games, data collecting, etc. doesn't really appeal to me.
All of this. Can't wait to see what the "competition" does.
I can't wait until they get rid of consoles.
You are a savage!
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Keep process farms in one central location and we'll...you're destined to fail.
p.s. I demand 5% royalties for my idea.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
I’m tired of paying $1000+ every few years to play modern games on max settings.
I want a $35 fire stick that can play the next 10 assassins creeds, far cry’s, elder scrolls, fallouts, and call of duties on max settings whether I bought that stick today, or 10 years from now.
I also want an app in my phone and tablet can do this too.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Boy do I have the central processing unit for you.
I’m tired of paying $1000+ every few years to play modern games on max settings.
I want a $35 fire stick that can play the next 10 assassins creeds, far cry’s, elder scrolls, fallouts, and call of duties on max settings whether I bought that stick today, or 10 years from now.
I also want an app in my phone and tablet can do this too.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Agreed, I've already got rid of all my consoles and just exclusively use Steam at this point so a step above that would be way better.
Sooooo ready for the digital age, they need to change up the formula.
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Isn't that more or less a vpn to rdp whether on-site or 'in le cloud'?
I also want my desktop to follow me at work, home, and on vacation even if I forgot my laptop, phone, or tablet.
Only way to do that is to offset all processing and data storage off site.
Isn't that more or less a vpn to rdp whether on-site or 'in le cloud'?
To be honest I barely have an idea what that really means.
All I want is a platform that uses any size screen to do the same thing, whether that screen is a watch, phone, tablet, laptop, monitor, television, or projector. All your device needs to do is act as a screen with input capabilities.
I want 100% of the storage and processing to be done off-site on a shared supercomputer.
I can even pay for levels of power. If I want to just do basic word processing and web browsing then I can get the cheaper package. If I want to play some modern games and watch 4k videos then the mid-grade. If I want to do home video editing, or some really process intensive "pro-sumer" activities then I get the high end package. There can even be industrial and commercial tiers.
Best of all, a system like this will only have 1 system spec, and 1 global operating system.
That means developers only need to make ONE version of the software ever. They can focus on shipping it out the door perfectly and not need to worry about different system specifications, operating system limitations, or even processing power limits.
I can definitely see how such a service would NOT appeal to hardcore PC gamers though, of course. And as with everyone else, I wonder if technical limitations may hamper the service too. But if they can figure that out, and if it's cheap enough, then why not, eh?!
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
What's the data usage look like while streaming games?
Living in an area with a data cap, I've only gotten close to it once. It it was solely to due to game updates when I had to factory reset my One S.....updates not game downloads except for MC collection. I don't feel like paying more for internet just so I can stream games.
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
Those are bad examples.
You purchase the milk. You own the milk. You can do with the milk as you please, but the product has an expiration date. Drinking the milk is simply that you choose to do with a product you own.
You go to the theatre for the experience. You are paying for the experience of going out, sitting in a big room, watching it on a big screen, then going home. You do not buy tickets to a theatre with the intent of owning something.
It's no different than netflix or hulu except for data use. Netflix is pretty simple, you select the title and it streams that video to you. The video is a static data source as in the data is largely one way...to you. With gaming, you are now manipulating the entire experience and it's sending that data out to be sent back. It's a dynamic experience. If I'm playing....say Doom...what's the data use going to look like? Does it download entire levels or the whole game? If I turn it off, play another game, then decide to go back to Doom do I have to redownload or is the data temp cashed to the console?
You are also stuck with whatever version of the game that is most recent. If they decide to censor or remove levels...too bad. Want to come back to it a few years from now but the game is no longer available to stream...too bad.
I never said I supported hulu or netflix. I own the movies I want and use those streamers for things I haven't seen and/or have no need to own.
The data cap and bandwidth thing is a problem, I assume, for some. Not me, so I can't comment on that.
Originally posted by: PowerPlayers
Give me local processing hubs in major cities or even a LEO satellite constellation for processing and beam it to me with low latency and I'll buy.
Give me a near zero watt box that can render 4K games in ultra detail with minimal compression and input lag plus common modern features like voice control, dvr, smart home control, YouTube, internet browsing, messaging, team speak, and an App Store and I'll be your first customer.
Allow third party apps like Kodi, and an emulator front end And you own my wallet for my entire monthly cable tv and Netflix budget.
Give me a virtual desktop environment that I can link to any monitor in the world including a cellphone that only requires an internet connection and I never have to worry about pc/phone/tablet specs AGAIN IN MY LIFE? well privacy be damned, give it to me.
Keep process farms in one central location and we'll...you're destined to fail.
p.s. I demand 5% royalties for my idea.
So basically create "Josephleo physics" to make it happen?
Originally posted by: OptOut
Originally posted by: Outdoormongoose
Video game streaming is a waste of money. Yea, it's easy but you own nothing. You just agree to pay to use the service.
How is that different to Netflix, or cable, or any other form of subscription? If you go to the movie theatre you don't own anything either. Hell, if I buy a bottle of milk I drink it and then I own nothing too!
If the service is appropriately priced, reliable, and offers a satisfactory level of quality, I can definitely see it being popular. It's not going to replace other forms of gaming, it's gonna be another option that may be suitable for some, not for others.
But what games are going to be on there? The problem is with the App Stores out there for all your mobile platforms, why waste money on a gaming streaming service? Would I pay $5 a month to play app store quality mobile games? No. Would I pay to play games that have little QA? No. Are major developers going to sign onto this? Probably not, especially when NIntendo, Sony, and Microsoft can all do that on their own (and some even do already).
Plus, Google is shitty to their users data, so I'd not use it just because of that.
It's no different than netflix or hulu except for data use. Netflix is pretty simple, you select the title and it streams that video to you. The video is a static data source as in the data is largely one way...to you. With gaming, you are now manipulating the entire experience and it's sending that data out to be sent back. It's a dynamic experience. If I'm playing....say Doom...what's the data use going to look like? Does it download entire levels or the whole game? If I turn it off, play another game, then decide to go back to Doom do I have to redownload or is the data temp cashed to the console?
You seem to have missed the point of what Google presented.
It is supposed to function EXACTLY like Netflix -- i.e. they are only streaming the video output, with the program and all processing done on their side.
There is no game to download, just a raw stream. (with your control inputs streaming to them in the other direction)
Based on the latency mentioned upthread (10 frames at 60Hz), personally, I think it sounds borderline unplayable.
And I expect that latency is the current "best case" for people who are nearly co-located with the server farms.
For real-world players going over a mobile network it will be way worse.
https://twitter.com/prodiGtv/stat...
10 frames of input lag at 60FPS.
PASS.
That is basically unplayable for anything that isn't turn-based.
Even 100ms total latency feels pretty miserable when you can compare it against a tighter console experience (with either a CRT TV or a TV with a decent game-mode)