Caltron/Myriad/NTDEC/Gluk/MegaSoft/Conector - How do these companies fit together?
Alright, Robe24's FA thread was way off topic for that forum, so I locked the thread and I am bringing that debate here.
Thoughts on how these companies are all linked? solid evidence is a plus?
Also, is that Caltron a Pirate?
Rubtux believes these specific Caltron's to be pirated carts simply because of the back label, however seeing that NTDEC worked closely/produced their own pirate games I find this highly unlikely. More or less, those back labels, were made by Caltron.
Lets keep it civil with an open mind
Here is the thread in question for those who may have missed it:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=19928&r=1825326
Thoughts on how these companies are all linked? solid evidence is a plus?
Also, is that Caltron a Pirate?
Rubtux believes these specific Caltron's to be pirated carts simply because of the back label, however seeing that NTDEC worked closely/produced their own pirate games I find this highly unlikely. More or less, those back labels, were made by Caltron.
Lets keep it civil with an open mind
Here is the thread in question for those who may have missed it:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=19928&r=1825326
Comments
While I don't agree with rubtux, his opinion is valued. I really do not think Caltron/NTDEC is producing these games this day in age (from what I got from his posts and his opinions)... but stranger things have been known to happen.
I dont think you can speak for me if you are incorrect:
I have posted a HMM... I dont think an admin can post something I didnt say. All of this was to see IF
WRONG: Rubtux believes these specific Caltron's to be pirated carts simply because of the back label
Qixmaster: I edited my first post to accurately describe what you think, and I will not edit it again, sorry.
Me: Qixmaster is Psychic?
based on:
Backside sticker same as on Pirated games
Price you've payed (85 euro shipped for 6)
Plastic bags, only as new carts
More of them popup in a short time
Basically I have sayed all I wanted.
I know I would have liked to know that there is an IT COULD BE THAT:
When I would be thinking about spending a pretty amount of money.
But I think its not possible to debate about this because there are to much kids around here who cannot just try to work this out.
I'm not here to get my right, I'm here because I thought it was an interesting find and because I want to know if there is really a "European Version" and I think every real NES collector would like to know the same. So if people who are not adding anything beside curses to this message please also let the people who think it could be true give there space. What a big boy/girl you are going with the crowd not all people who think someone is right dare to tell because they are affraid of the response. Just here trying to learn new things about NES, weather I'm at the right end or not. I dont care being wrong or right, I just want to know. So please if someone has good info tell us, maybe someone with a photo from the inside of the print of the European game and also someone with the inside print of the black sticker version? Thanks
I really don't know what is the problem with this one
Well thats just it because I have red that Caltron was actually a licenced company and because of this I think the value is high. Why wouldn't other unlicenced games be very expensive? There are a lot others which have a small number of sales.
^I agree fully on this, i just want to keep a thread dedicated to stuff about this company. They are more or less a mystery. I've done a lot of research on their Myriad/Caltron connection and I think it is important that we continue to figure stuff out about them.
While I don't agree with rubtux, his opinion is valued. I really do not think Caltron/NTDEC is producing these games this day in age (from what I got from his posts and his opinions)... but stranger things have been known to happen.
"I really do not think Caltron/NTDEC is producing these games this day in age (from what I got from his posts and his opinions)... "
What do you mean?
If you don't want them, just don't buy them, Caltron are one of the rarest games ever so... your credibility is 0.
Rubtux, did you actually ask for one for free?
^I agree fully on this, i just want to keep a thread dedicated to stuff about this company. They are more or less a mystery. I've done a lot of research on their Myriad/Caltron connection and I think it is important that we continue to figure stuff out about them.
While I don't agree with rubtux, his opinion is valued. I really do not think Caltron/NTDEC is producing these games this day in age (from what I got from his posts and his opinions)... but stranger things have been known to happen.
"I really do not think Caltron/NTDEC is producing these games this day in age (from what I got from his posts and his opinions)... "
What do you mean?
You told me that these keep popping up in the same plastic wrap, so i assumed you meant they are being produced as we speak and being sold off by the likes of other Europeans.
This same game (same back label) has also been found in Australia and from what I understand is a PAL cartridge,
If you find 1 grey NWC for 5$ it means its a pirate ? I don't think so, lots of people found rare games for 10$ or even 1$, it depends if the seller knows something about its rarity or not.
You're here because you wanted one for free and you didn't get it, you even asked me for 2 of them, and I have more proofs of you telling me that if I don't give you a cart, you'll post on na that they were pirated, that's the only truth.
If you don't want them, just don't buy them, Caltron are one of the most rares games ever so... your credibility is 0.
I dont think this is a message that helps to get an answer, why cant you help to find the truth I can handle it, if I'm wrong I'm wrong but we can only solve this if all people help right?
You can help my posting a photo of your caltron 6 in 1 printboard so we can compare with the black sticker version to see if maybe something interesting pops up.
You keep on sending messages about the carts but why would I want to have them? I collect PAL B and if you can buy 6 for 85 euro how rare can they be? Or how much have the rarity dropped? I mean the Caltron 6 in 1 "European Version" is not even in the NA database so it looks like I'm not the only one who gives it a few doubts?
The dispute is noth weather or not Caltron is a rare cart because I agree, the question is weither this is the real deal or not.
I'm not trying to convince people, if people want it they will buy it anyways I'm just trying to found out whats behind these companies. I think they are all something like daughter companies of Caltron maybe? If so did any of these companies made this version? And howcome a Korean? company has the same backside sticker? And as shown some Gluk games have them as well...
You told me that these keep popping up in the same plastic wrap, so i assumed you meant they are being produced as we speak and being sold off by the likes of other Europeans.
This same game (same back label) has also been found in Australia and from what I understand is a PAL cartridge,
Thanks for explaining this.
No I dont mean they are produced now but back then, it can even be re-productions because they sold more then they had? But if what you say is true: about the black backside label on Australian 6 in 1 (which is PAL A) Why wouldnt they use the same stickers on PAL B carts? NTSC/PAL A black sticker... Hmm Pal B lets make totally different ones?
As I said, the guy who sold them to me, has them for years in a box, he had a shop and he never sold them. He told me that he has some Caltron cart and I asked to buy them.
If you find 1 grey NWC for 5$ it means its a pirate ? I don't think so, lots of people found rare games for 10$ or even 1$, it depends if the seller knows something about its rarity or not.
I agree that we all find steals once in a blue moon, but you're not the only person who is selling this exact cart, in this exact plastic baggy, with the exact description "new". He must have sold more than the 6 copies you have. When that many hit the market at once, it hurts their value. The price you paid was still a great find I'm sure, I just wonder how many he sold as they are popping up.
My feeling is, it's legit. It's a legit company that ripped off (read pirated) other games, and made this game while they were at it. I doubt Robe is gonna want to take one of these outta the baggy and open the cart, because then it wouldn't be "new". No that it would devalue it much, but still, I probably wouldn't.
I think there is some confusion between the definition of pirate/liscenced/etc. Caltron pirated games, and the 6 in 1 is an original of theirs. No offence Robe, but it is unusuall that so many with the same plastic packaging have popped up suddenly. People wanting to "get rid of this fast" is a cautioning statement. I know you're not desparate to sell, but other people are. Maybe a crate of these were found some where, maybe some one is reproducing them, maybe Caltron is reproducing them knowing that is costs about $0.50 to make one of these and they're easily worth over $100. Your find is unusual and worth considering how it came to be.
Rubtux, did you actually ask for one for free?
Exactly my point there but I dont think they have produced more now but back then.
No he offered me one in trade for my Gluk F-15 City war boxed but I was not interested.
I dont want to bring this up because you get like he sayed she sayed and this is not what the goal is.
No he offered me one in trade for my Gluk F-15 City war boxed but I was not interested.
That's not true, and I won't answer you anymore, I'll answer the other people only.
As I said, the guy who sold them to me, has them for years in a box, he had a shop and he never sold them. He told me that he has some Caltron cart and I asked to buy them.
If you find 1 grey NWC for 5$ it means its a pirate ? I don't think so, lots of people found rare games for 10$ or even 1$, it depends if the seller knows something about its rarity or not.
True, but thats not 6 carts new in plastic bags.
If he had them for all those years new in box where are the carton boxes and manuals?
Alright, Robe24's FA thread was way off topic for that forum, so I locked the thread and I am bringing that debate here.
Thoughts on how these companies are all linked? solid evidence is a plus?
Also, is that Caltron a Pirate?
Rubtux says that he has solid evidence to suggest that, however seeing that NTDEC worked closely/produced their own pirate games I find this highly unlikely. More or less, those back labels, were made by Caltron.
Lets keep it civil with an open mind
Here is the thread in question for those who may have missed it:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&am...
If you could remove the part about what I sayed but didnt that would be nice.
People would read something as truth but is something I havent sayed but just your oppinion.
If more than anything, i think these back labels convince me that they were produced by NTDEC, simply because other NTDEC releases (pirated) carried these back labels. From what i have heard, the boards are identical. I don't know what other real proof you want and I think your argument is following a loop and becoming rhetoric. You have not produced any solid evidence to suggest that these ARE pirates and until you do so I am firm in my belief that these are legit Caltron's.
FYI, good deals are out there. A guy on the Digital Press boards found a BOX of sealed Caltrons in California at a thrift store for much cheaper than 85 Euro, so you can't really say that since Robe24 bought these for 85 Euro that they must be pirates. People are uninformed about rarity/price of games ALL the time.
Alright, Robe24's FA thread was way off topic for that forum, so I locked the thread and I am bringing that debate here.
Thoughts on how these companies are all linked? solid evidence is a plus?
Also, is that Caltron a Pirate?
Rubtux says that he has solid evidence to suggest that, however seeing that NTDEC worked closely/produced their own pirate games I find this highly unlikely. More or less, those back labels, were made by Caltron.
Lets keep it civil with an open mind
Here is the thread in question for those who may have missed it:
messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=19928&r=1825326
If you could remove the part about what I sayed but didnt that would be nice.
People would read something as truth but is something I havent sayed but just your oppinion.
what part exactly? You told me that you had evidence that these were pirates and that other people didn't want to speak up because they were afraid and that you don't have any problem sharing your piece of mind even if the majority disagree with you.
No he offered me one in trade for my Gluk F-15 City war boxed but I was not interested.
That's not true, and I won't answer you anymore, I'll answer the other people only.
Great thats the good direction trying to solve this.
How about a photo of the printboard inside the game?
The plastic bags are not sealed right? Perhaps with just regular tape?
Maybe they will be more rare without plastic just like Shockwave
Just kidding not only stuff faces
well then, simple as this. Caltron made both PIRATES and UNIQUE games. They had some back labels from their pirated games left over and ran out of Caltron back labels. They stuck them on these.
If more than anything, i think these back labels convince me that they were produced by NTDEC, simply because other NTDEC releases (pirated) carried these back labels. From what i have heard, the boards are identical. I don't know what other real proof you want and I think your argument is following a loop and becoming rhetoric. You have not produced any solid evidence to suggest that these ARE pirates and until you do so I am firm in my belief that these are legit Caltron's.
FYI, good deals are out there. A guy on the Digital Press boards found a BOX of sealed Caltrons in California at a thrift store for much cheaper than 85 Euro, so you can't really say that since Robe24 bought these for 85 Euro that they must be pirates. People are uninformed about rarity/price of games ALL the time.
Ok so they made both you say, so is this a Pirate or Unique games? Thats what this is all about?
I have noted some points why I think that... From you I only get: "From what I've heard the boards are identical" I'm posting a From what I experience.
No I have not produced solid evidence that they are, but neither have we seen evidence that they are not. Its more easy if the people who have actually got a Caltron 6 in 1 could help in this matter, right?
I'm not saying they cannot be the real deal because of the low price but I say it should be one of the rings going off if you dont think so thats fine with me. But why? If the guy has loads of these games in a box shouldnt he by one time think hmm people want these games bad lets check it out?
One way or the other, these "European Versions" are much less rare then the ones with the Black Stickers because this guy already had a big box full of them, no manuals no boxes...
Alright, Robe24's FA thread was way off topic for that forum, so I locked the thread and I am bringing that debate here.
Thoughts on how these companies are all linked? solid evidence is a plus?
Also, is that Caltron a Pirate?
Rubtux says that he has solid evidence to suggest that, however seeing that NTDEC worked closely/produced their own pirate games I find this highly unlikely. More or less, those back labels, were made by Caltron.
Lets keep it civil with an open mind
Here is the thread in question for those who may have missed it:
messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=19928&r=1825326
If you could remove the part about what I sayed but didnt that would be nice.
People would read something as truth but is something I havent sayed but just your oppinion.
what part exactly? You told me that you had evidence that these were pirates and that other people didn't want to speak up because they were afraid and that you don't have any problem sharing your piece of mind even if the majority disagree with you.
Here is the E-mail I have send you, so... Where is the part I told you I had evidence?
Removed for Qixmaster
I dont think you can speak for me if you are incorrect:
I have posted a HMM... I dont think an admin can post something I didnt say. All of this was to see IF based on:
Backside sticker same as on Pirated games
Price you've payed (85 euro shipped for 6)
Plastic bags, only as new carts
More of them popup in a short time
Basically I have sayed all I wanted.
I know I would have liked to know that there is an IT COULD BE THAT:
When I would be thinking about spending a pretty amount of money.
But I think its not possible to debate about this because there are to much kids around here who cannot just try to work this out.
I'm not here to get my right, I'm here because I thought it was an interesting find and because I want to know if there is really a "European Version" and I think every real NES collector would like to know the same. So if people who are not adding anything beside curses to this message please also let the people who think it could be true give there space. What a big boy/girl you are going with the crowd not all people who think someone is right dare to tell because they are affraid of the response. Just here trying to learn new things about NES, weather I'm at the right end or not. I dont care being wrong or right, I just want to know. So please if someone has good info tell us, maybe someone with a photo from the inside of the print of the European game and also someone with the inside print of the black sticker version? Thanks
A pirate copy (game) is a copy wich has been made without permision of
the author of the original copy. An unlicensed item is an item that has
in some way something to do with another copyrighted item but that the company behind of that unlicensed item decided not to paid a fee to the author of the copyrighted item just to sell
his creation using the name of the copyrighted item. Caltron/Ntdec/megasoft produced both things: pirated games and unlicensed games, so it's not only an unlicensed company, it's also a pirate company.
Since the beggining it seems to me you've been trying to say that this copies we're selling are pirate copies (that is someone made copies without caltron permision) and that it's suspicious that more copies have popped suddenly and that's why you think we're trying to cheat people. Well, we are not trying to cheat people. It's only been a coinciende. I don't know when did robe got his copies, but i found mine in april. The seller was very lazy and until last monday i didn't get all the games i bought form him wich include the copies i owe of this game. As i needed some money and i knew this game was well paid i inmediatly posted here a thread about a sale and as i saw everything wasn't going the way i wanted i decided to list it at ebay. That means that when i sell my copy and robe 24 sells his remaining copies it will take an undetermined amount of time until one of this copies appears and is sold by some one from spain, and that will happen that way because no one is producing again this carts. In fact, if some one was doing that it's quite possible that he would use "epoxy ic's" instead of standard eproms because epxoy ic's are cheaper.
As you say that these are only words i'll post some scans of the stuff i have right now:
This is "pirate" master figher 2, although it could be that megasoft resold this unlicensed game. Now the back:
as you can see is the same label that you say other pirate games use. Well, it's the same label because those pirate games you've seen with that label are made/sold by caltron/Megasoft/ntdec.
The following scan is an example of a pirated game by ntdec/megasoft/caltron
and here's the back of the case:
and now the prove that the caltrons 6in1 we're selling are not pirated copies (copies made without permission form caltron/megasoft/ntdec):
on the left side there's a scan of war in the gulf (gluk version), please note the code on the mask rom begins with ND and that there's a custom chip named kc53xxx. If you take a closer look to the pcb on the right side (wich is from of my caltron 6in1) you'll notice that the custom chip is also there and that the mask roms begin with ND. I guess now is proven that we're not selling pirate copies of Caltron 6 in 1 and that some have appeared at the same time by coincidence.
About the plastic bag used i think it was placed by the spanish reseller of this games in spain. Dont know why it did this, but it could be because they released them too late in nes life and as didn't expect to sell big quantities of this game, found that making a custom box was a waste of money. I also think that the reseller of this games was not gluk video, it was another spanish company that resold megasoft/ntdec products (like the kid niki shown above) in Spain. I think so because i both games came from the same seller
p.d. gluk games have no labels on their back.
edit: corrected some typos
You stated in the other thread that you were waiting for evidence... i assumed that it meant you had the evidence and were waiting for others to post about it. That's all. No need to bring our PMs into this debate. First post edited for accuracy.
Nope sorry, it's not fair to assume things in a conversation.
PM deleted.
Thanks for editing but it's still wrong, I think its better to let people speak for themselves?
"Rubtux believes these specific Caltron's to be pirated carts simply because of the back label"
I have mentioned a few reasons why, you cannot speak for me.
"Rubtux thinks that "European Version" Caltron's could be pirated carts"
Thats the truth.
and yes, although they made pirate games, the caltron 6-1 is a UNIQUE game. is that too hard to understand?
I dont think this is solving anything, this is your oppinion and you cannot force people to say what you think. "Is it to hard to understand" is just childish.
If that statement is NOT true then you have a case against me, but seeing that "thinking" and "believing" are very similar and that your facts are based solely on the back label theory then my post is true.
and yes, although they made pirate games, the caltron 6-1 is a UNIQUE game. is that too hard to understand?
I dont think this is solving anything, this is your oppinion and you cannot force people to say what you think. "Is it to hard to understand" is just childish.
Listen buddy, I have all day to reply to you.
"is it too hard to understand" is not childish, it is a question since i know english isn't your first language.
EDIT:
and it is not my opinion, it is a fact. Caltron 6 in 1 is a unique game. This company made both,we have shown evidence of this.
DOUBLE EDIT:
if you have any other questions, send me a PM. I do not have to justify myself to you publicely.
het spel is een zelfgemaakt spel door Caltron, geen hack of kopie van iets anders.. dus een uniek spel (Dutch to explain to rubtux)