According to one of the earlier pages in that article, it was common practice for the Japanese to not bother listing American names in the credits, no matter what their role in the development process. I'm betting even in strictly American-developed titles, if a Japanese company was in charge you don't see a single American name in the credits.
This series of articles give a message: those japanese bosses were pricks... like many other white/latino/etc bosses.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Japanese people are EXTREMELY racist, though they characterize it differently.
I had a social psychology class in college where the professor was talking about social norms in different cultures and countries. He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Well, about this time a Japanese kid stands up and says (in a heavily affected accent) "Excuse me, but I am Japanese"
The whole class does an "OOOOHHH" kind of gasp.
The kid goes on to say "We don't hate people because they're not Japanese...we hate everybody else because they're different"
Uhh...isn't that EXACTLY what the prof said
But yeah, they're probably the most xenophobic country in the world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Japanese people are EXTREMELY racist, though they characterize it differently.
I had a social psychology class in college where the professor was talking about social norms in different cultures and countries. He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Well, about this time a Japanese kid stands up and says (in a heavily affected accent) "Excuse me, but I am Japanese"
The whole class does an "OOOOHHH" kind of gasp.
The kid goes on to say "We don't hate people because they're not Japanese...we hate everybody else because they're different"
Uhh...isn't that EXACTLY what the prof said
But yeah, they're probably the most xenophobic country in the world.
At least some japanese devs were able to admit that japanese gaming scene was going down the tubes, and that western games were better in this era.
According to one of the earlier pages in that article, it was common practice for the Japanese to not bother listing American names in the credits, no matter what their role in the development process. I'm betting even in strictly American-developed titles, if a Japanese company was in charge you don't see a single American name in the credits.
Really? That sucks, not got get credited for a game that you have worked on Is there any reason for this? There is one english first name in the Bayou Billy ending, and that is "Michael", but his last name (Maezawa) seems to be japanese.
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Isnt that a pretty bold statement that your professor made, to say that pretty much all Japanese people are racists? I am sure that there are many racist people in Japan indeed (unfortunately there are racist people all over the world though, but i wonder how Japan compares to other countries when it comes to having most racist people), but there are like 127 million people that live in Japan, how can he know how pretty much all of these people are racists?
But i am under the impression that Japan are getting more accepted to foreign people because now a new generation of japanese is growing up, and that this generation is more "open" (or what i shall say) to foreign people
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I'm sure not all japanese are racists, and I know that absolutist statements are logical fallacies, and should be avoided. Should I know, being mexican...
But as well as I'm able to say, from first hand experience, that impunctuallity is a trait that the majority of mexicans exhibit (while I'm not like that), it's also correct to say that, according to several sources of information, anecdotes, and even academic literature, there's a degree of xenophoby ingrained in the japanese culture. That is different from the statement that professor made.
Another piece of evidence is the complete failure of the XBOX in Japan, and quoting a japanese gamer "japanese gamers only see the XBOX as the machine to play Dead or Alive" (from www.qj.net)
He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Isnt that a pretty bold statement that your professor made, to say that pretty much all Japanese people are racists? I am sure that there are many racist people in Japan indeed (unfortunately there are racist people all over the world though, but i wonder how Japan compares to other countries when it comes to having most racist people), but there are like 127 million people that live in Japan, how can he know how pretty much all of these people are racists?
But i am under the impression that Japan are getting more accepted to foreign people because now a new generation of japanese is growing up, and that this generation is more "open" (or what i shall say) to foreign people
The point of the statement was that, as a country, Japanese people are encouraged to be xenophobic. "Racist" is probably not the choice term, and while the generalization obviously doesn't apply to ever person...it is true for culture in general.
He "knows" because he's a social psychologist that had some significant body of work that involved studying groups like the Japanese.
They're a country that has a strict 3% immigration rate. Effectively, that means the average Japanese person has VERY little exposure to anyone who is not Japanese. That inherently breeds a culture of disliking those who are different (as stated by the Japanese guy in our class).
Hopefully, newer generations of Japan will change the norm, because they need it. Otherwise they'll collapse economically, since they're dying faster than they're breeding.
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
That wasn't what I was implying. I just made an off-the-cuff remark to enhance the point...or something. I actually agree that there is a certain degree of racism in the Japanese heirarchy, from the top down. Eventually it will change, but only if the newer generation wants it to, as they will eventually be the leaders of said social heirarchy. I also feel that generalizing by race is not inherently wrong. Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite, Kenyans are fast runners...all of them are generalizations, not all are negative, not all are positive, but all are true for a fair majority, and unless they actively pursue change, those generalizations will persist. I don't feel calling a Mexican lazy is inherently racist, especially if it's true. However, if Jorge came and applied for a job with me and I decided not to hire him because he's Mexican and likely lazy because of it, THEN it's racist. Sorry to use you as an example Jorge, it was just an easy negative stereotype to use for the example.
Now, I gotta get going...Cousin Vito needs me to break some legs...I MEAN...to enforce repayment of a loan...yeah...
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
That wasn't what I was implying. I just made an off-the-cuff remark to enhance the point...or something. I actually agree that there is a certain degree of racism in the Japanese heirarchy, from the top down. Eventually it will change, but only if the newer generation wants it to, as they will eventually be the leaders of said social heirarchy. I also feel that generalizing by race is not inherently wrong. Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite, Kenyans are fast runners...all of them are generalizations, not all are negative, not all are positive, but all are true for a fair majority, and unless they actively pursue change, those generalizations will persist. I don't feel calling a Mexican lazy is inherently racist, especially if it's true. However, if Jorge came and applied for a job with me and I decided not to hire him because he's Mexican and likely lazy because of it, THEN it's racist. Sorry to use you as an example Jorge, it was just an easy negative stereotype to use for the example.
Now, I gotta get going...Cousin Vito needs me to break some legs...I MEAN...to enforce repayment of a loan...yeah...
Technical point, but none of these are generalizations by "race". These are generalizations by nationality.
Japanese isn't a race either, but we call it racism just the same
That's why I said "racism" probably wasn't the right term, but it's one most people "understand".
Actually, it's a catch-all term for racial/national differences. There's no separate word, at least to the best of my knowledge, so it is in fact the correct term
Originally posted by: buttheadrulesagain
Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite...
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
Out of curiosity, what was a kid doing in a college class?
If you are referring to what i said, I meant it literally. There were two 12 year olds, twins. I don't know why a parent would let their kid finish high school and go to college so young either. They had no business being in advanced calculus. Well no one did. I was the only one who knew WTF was going on, and that was about half the time. One day the professor exploded for no apparent reason. I had to supress laughter.
Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite...
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
I disagree with that. People from Canadia are COLD!
No, the weather is cold. The people are pretty warm
Well, that's what I meant WIZ ... you always to sharp for me. I guess it's getting toward summer, so you'll be getting back to luke-warm before too long.
Thread has gotten way off topic, first we talked about Flight Simulators, Calculus, Lazy People wearing Sombreros, Canadian weather, now underwear wearing
Obviously there's not enough that can be said for a game called Silent Service
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Best part of Bone's post- "#2 guy in my graduating class of 400 behind the Valedictorian".
It didn't really jump out at me until you quoted it...but that is pretty priceless.
From here thither, the Bone shall forever be remembered as NUMBER TWO
Austin Powers: "Who does #2 work for?"..."Who's #2's boss!"
Random Guy: "You tell that turd!"
@ gullavoie: Don't forget Bayou Billy.
Isnt Bayou Billy originally a japanese developed game? I mean to remember to have seen japanese names in the ending credits of Bayou Billy at least.
EDIT: I remembered correctly
I just checked a YouTube video and there are many japanese games in the ending of Bayou Billy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC3xn_zhMHU
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Japanese people are EXTREMELY racist, though they characterize it differently.
I had a social psychology class in college where the professor was talking about social norms in different cultures and countries. He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Well, about this time a Japanese kid stands up and says (in a heavily affected accent) "Excuse me, but I am Japanese"
The whole class does an "OOOOHHH" kind of gasp.
The kid goes on to say "We don't hate people because they're not Japanese...we hate everybody else because they're different"
Uhh...isn't that EXACTLY what the prof said
But yeah, they're probably the most xenophobic country in the world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the general impression (from this story, and other sources) that japanese tend to be racist and xenophobic, and won't touch american games with a 5 meter stick.
Japanese people are EXTREMELY racist, though they characterize it differently.
I had a social psychology class in college where the professor was talking about social norms in different cultures and countries. He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Well, about this time a Japanese kid stands up and says (in a heavily affected accent) "Excuse me, but I am Japanese"
The whole class does an "OOOOHHH" kind of gasp.
The kid goes on to say "We don't hate people because they're not Japanese...we hate everybody else because they're different"
Uhh...isn't that EXACTLY what the prof said
But yeah, they're probably the most xenophobic country in the world.
At least some japanese devs were able to admit that japanese gaming scene was going down the tubes, and that western games were better in this era.
Anyway, it's their loss.
According to one of the earlier pages in that article, it was common practice for the Japanese to not bother listing American names in the credits, no matter what their role in the development process. I'm betting even in strictly American-developed titles, if a Japanese company was in charge you don't see a single American name in the credits.
Really? That sucks, not got get credited for a game that you have worked on![:\](https://connect.gocollect.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Is there any reason for this? There is one english first name in the Bayou Billy ending, and that is "Michael", but his last name (Maezawa) seems to be japanese.
He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Isnt that a pretty bold statement that your professor made, to say that pretty much all Japanese people are racists? I am sure that there are many racist people in Japan indeed (unfortunately there are racist people all over the world though, but i wonder how Japan compares to other countries when it comes to having most racist people), but there are like 127 million people that live in Japan, how can he know how pretty much all of these people are racists?
But i am under the impression that Japan are getting more accepted to foreign people because now a new generation of japanese is growing up, and that this generation is more "open" (or what i shall say) to foreign people
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I'm sure not all japanese are racists, and I know that absolutist statements are logical fallacies, and should be avoided. Should I know, being mexican...
But as well as I'm able to say, from first hand experience, that impunctuallity is a trait that the majority of mexicans exhibit (while I'm not like that), it's also correct to say that, according to several sources of information, anecdotes, and even academic literature, there's a degree of xenophoby ingrained in the japanese culture. That is different from the statement that professor made.
Another piece of evidence is the complete failure of the XBOX in Japan, and quoting a japanese gamer "japanese gamers only see the XBOX as the machine to play Dead or Alive" (from www.qj.net)
He gets to the end of a sentence saying basically, that pretty much all Japanese people are racist, though I think his exact words were "Japanese people hate pretty much everyone that's not Japanesse".
Isnt that a pretty bold statement that your professor made, to say that pretty much all Japanese people are racists? I am sure that there are many racist people in Japan indeed (unfortunately there are racist people all over the world though, but i wonder how Japan compares to other countries when it comes to having most racist people), but there are like 127 million people that live in Japan, how can he know how pretty much all of these people are racists?
But i am under the impression that Japan are getting more accepted to foreign people because now a new generation of japanese is growing up, and that this generation is more "open" (or what i shall say) to foreign people
The point of the statement was that, as a country, Japanese people are encouraged to be xenophobic. "Racist" is probably not the choice term, and while the generalization obviously doesn't apply to ever person...it is true for culture in general.
He "knows" because he's a social psychologist that had some significant body of work that involved studying groups like the Japanese.
They're a country that has a strict 3% immigration rate. Effectively, that means the average Japanese person has VERY little exposure to anyone who is not Japanese. That inherently breeds a culture of disliking those who are different (as stated by the Japanese guy in our class).
Hopefully, newer generations of Japan will change the norm, because they need it. Otherwise they'll collapse economically, since they're dying faster than they're breeding.
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
Out of curiosity, what was a kid doing in a college class?
Hahahhaa.
"Kid" is kind of an all-purpose term (like dude, guy, etc)...in this case I was applying it to a guy that was probably 22.
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
That wasn't what I was implying. I just made an off-the-cuff remark to enhance the point...or something. I actually agree that there is a certain degree of racism in the Japanese heirarchy, from the top down. Eventually it will change, but only if the newer generation wants it to, as they will eventually be the leaders of said social heirarchy. I also feel that generalizing by race is not inherently wrong. Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite, Kenyans are fast runners...all of them are generalizations, not all are negative, not all are positive, but all are true for a fair majority, and unless they actively pursue change, those generalizations will persist. I don't feel calling a Mexican lazy is inherently racist, especially if it's true. However, if Jorge came and applied for a job with me and I decided not to hire him because he's Mexican and likely lazy because of it, THEN it's racist. Sorry to use you as an example Jorge, it was just an easy negative stereotype to use for the example.
Now, I gotta get going...Cousin Vito needs me to break some legs...I MEAN...to enforce repayment of a loan...yeah...
That's just because not ALL Japanese are xenophobic racists.
I don't mean to characterize every man, woman, and child in Japan as xenophobic or racist.
The point of the story was that a social psychologist was making a point that AS A CULTURE Japan encourages xenophobia. Then...a Japanese kid in the class stood up and confirmed it to be true.
That wasn't what I was implying. I just made an off-the-cuff remark to enhance the point...or something. I actually agree that there is a certain degree of racism in the Japanese heirarchy, from the top down. Eventually it will change, but only if the newer generation wants it to, as they will eventually be the leaders of said social heirarchy. I also feel that generalizing by race is not inherently wrong. Americans are fat, Mexicans are lazy, Canadians are polite, Kenyans are fast runners...all of them are generalizations, not all are negative, not all are positive, but all are true for a fair majority, and unless they actively pursue change, those generalizations will persist. I don't feel calling a Mexican lazy is inherently racist, especially if it's true. However, if Jorge came and applied for a job with me and I decided not to hire him because he's Mexican and likely lazy because of it, THEN it's racist. Sorry to use you as an example Jorge, it was just an easy negative stereotype to use for the example.
Now, I gotta get going...Cousin Vito needs me to break some legs...I MEAN...to enforce repayment of a loan...yeah...
Technical point, but none of these are generalizations by "race". These are generalizations by nationality.
Japanese isn't a race either, but we call it racism just the same
That's why I said "racism" probably wasn't the right term, but it's one most people "understand".
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
I disagree with that. People from Canadia are COLD!
Japanese isn't a race either, but we call it racism just the same
That's why I said "racism" probably wasn't the right term, but it's one most people "understand".
Actually, it's a catch-all term for racial/national differences. There's no separate word, at least to the best of my knowledge, so it is in fact the correct term
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
LOL!
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
I disagree with that. People from Canadia are COLD!
No, the weather is cold. The people are pretty warm
Out of curiosity, what was a kid doing in a college class?
If you are referring to what i said, I meant it literally. There were two 12 year olds, twins. I don't know why a parent would let their kid finish high school and go to college so young either. They had no business being in advanced calculus. Well no one did. I was the only one who knew WTF was going on, and that was about half the time. One day the professor exploded for no apparent reason. I had to supress laughter.
uh what? I'm sorry, I was sleeping under a cactus, and my sombrero didn't let me hear...
I disagree with that. People from Canadia are COLD!
No, the weather is cold. The people are pretty warm
Well, that's what I meant WIZ ... you always to sharp for me. I guess it's getting toward summer, so you'll be getting back to luke-warm before too long.
You know like the guy in the Silent Submarine who only brought one pair
Obviously there's not enough that can be said for a game called Silent Service