Paypal help

I have a situation atm, I very well might have been screwed.

How can you tell if you paid for goods, or if you gifted someone?  I am pretty sure I paid for goods, since he got fee'd (Germany), but I can't tell for sure from my Paypal page.

If I paid for goods I think I am safe right? (if nothing arrives, or if it is damaged)


thanks

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  • Originally posted by: robin

    I have a situation atm, I very well might have been screwed.

    How can you tell if you paid for goods, or if you gifted someone?  I am pretty sure I paid for goods, since he got fee'd (Germany), but I can't tell for sure from my Paypal page.

    If I paid for goods I think I am safe right? (if nothing arrives, or if it is damaged)


    thanks


    Should say in paypal type of payment sent. If you paid for goods you are better off than for personal, but still not a guarantee you will get money back
  • It doesnt say exactly what kind of payment. Some say payment for... and some say payment to.... does that indicate which kind?
  • I believe if it says "Payment", that means you paid for goods. Otherwise, it would say "Gift".

    So, looks like you are in the clear.
  • How long has it been? I've bought things from europe that showed up about a month late. I start communicating about three weeks. I can get caught up. We where talking about refund. Just kept saying I'd wait another week. He did have very good communication. Then it showed up hella late. Had the same kinda issue from Australia.
  • Its been 15 days, but I won a lot of games off ebay 9 days later and those got here yesterday... packed like hell (opened) and not as described. He is accused of shill bidding on his big sell out, and if other packages are like mine came, I think it's safe to say he doesnt care anymore about his customers. If i start a claim and it comes a month later, i can always send him back his money correct?
  • Originally posted by: robin

    Its been 15 days, but I won a lot of games off ebay 9 days later and those got here yesterday... packed like hell (opened) and not as described. He is accused of shill bidding on his big sell out, and if other packages are like mine came, I think it's safe to say he doesnt care anymore about his customers. If i start a claim and it comes a month later, i can always send him back his money correct?

    Mark and I just got shafted out of $3,800 from a transaction with a German seller.  Biggest hit we've ever taken, and it looks like there's no recourse for the "Seller."  On the plus side, he did send us some German magazines in the box that was supposed to contain our items!

  • Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: robin

    Its been 15 days, but I won a lot of games off ebay 9 days later and those got here yesterday... packed like hell (opened) and not as described. He is accused of shill bidding on his big sell out, and if other packages are like mine came, I think it's safe to say he doesnt care anymore about his customers. If i start a claim and it comes a month later, i can always send him back his money correct?

    Mark and I just got shafted out of $3,800 from a transaction with a German seller.  Biggest hit we've ever taken, and it looks like there's no recourse for the "Seller."  On the plus side, he did send us some German magazines in the box that was supposed to contain our items!



    What!  How did Paypal let that kind of ball drop?  That's into the territory of a felony, where if this dude ever decides to take a trip to the states he gets intercepted at the airport and arrested with an outstanding warrant.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: robin

    Its been 15 days, but I won a lot of games off ebay 9 days later and those got here yesterday... packed like hell (opened) and not as described. He is accused of shill bidding on his big sell out, and if other packages are like mine came, I think it's safe to say he doesnt care anymore about his customers. If i start a claim and it comes a month later, i can always send him back his money correct?

    Mark and I just got shafted out of $3,800 from a transaction with a German seller.  Biggest hit we've ever taken, and it looks like there's no recourse for the "Seller."  On the plus side, he did send us some German magazines in the box that was supposed to contain our items!



    What!  How did Paypal let that kind of ball drop?  That's into the territory of a felony, where if this dude ever decides to take a trip to the states he gets intercepted at the airport and arrested with an outstanding warrant.

    Paypal pretty much told Mark and I that their hands were tied.  As long as something made it to our doorstep they did their part.  Same goes for Mastercard.  We filed a claim, but both parties told us that we're essentially screwed.  You live and learn I suppose.

  • No kidding...I would have expected Mastercard to do something about it, at least.



    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.

    It won't amount to much now...but it potentially makes the guy an international fugitive.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.




    What's the first step in filing charges?  I wouldn't even know who to contact about it.
  • Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.




    What's the first step in filing charges?  I wouldn't even know who to contact about it.


    Contact the local post office inspector, and probably the local police.

    It will escalate from there, until you get to the right place to file charges of mail fraud.

    Also, I'm pretty sure $3k cash is the magic number for grand theft, nowadays.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.




    What's the first step in filing charges?  I wouldn't even know who to contact about it.


    Contact the local post office inspector, and probably the local police.

    It will escalate from there, until you get to the right place to file charges of mail fraud.

    Also, I'm pretty sure $3k cash is the magic number for grand theft, nowadays.

    Do I go to the local post office inspector if it was delivered by DHL?  Also, should I contact the local police here or in Germany?

  • Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.




    What's the first step in filing charges?  I wouldn't even know who to contact about it.


    Contact the local post office inspector, and probably the local police.

    It will escalate from there, until you get to the right place to file charges of mail fraud.

    Also, I'm pretty sure $3k cash is the magic number for grand theft, nowadays.

    Do I go to the local post office inspector if it was delivered by DHL?  Also, should I contact the local police here or in Germany?


    I'd start by contacting DHL, then, and see what their management says about mail fraud.

    This isn't their first time around the block on something like this, I wouldn't think.

  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    You need to file charges, since you were defrauded.




    What's the first step in filing charges?  I wouldn't even know who to contact about it.


    Contact the local post office inspector, and probably the local police.

    It will escalate from there, until you get to the right place to file charges of mail fraud.

    Also, I'm pretty sure $3k cash is the magic number for grand theft, nowadays.

    Do I go to the local post office inspector if it was delivered by DHL?  Also, should I contact the local police here or in Germany?


    I'd start by contacting DHL, then, and see what their management says about mail fraud.

    This isn't their first time around the block on something like this, I wouldn't think.


    DHL kind of F'd me over here too.  They delivered it to my door without me signing for it.  I wouldn't have if I had the option.  Grrr.

    I'm going to be out of town for the next few days so I'll have to see if Mark can spearhead it from here.

  • Wow, that is shitty all around.



    Honestly, you might want to get a free consultation from a lawyer, locally.

    It sounds like you've had multiple companies acting in bad faith, and they're likely all responsible in some way or another to make you whole.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Wow, that is shitty all around.



    Honestly, you might want to get a free consultation from a lawyer, locally.

    It sounds like you've had multiple companies acting in bad faith, and they're likely all responsible in some way or another to make you whole.

    Mark and I have entertained the idea, but I honestly just don't know if it's worth the effort.  The money is essentially an accumulation of all the repros/releases we've done, so it doesn't hurt as bad as you'd think.  Between work and grad school I have little time to breathe let alone attack something like this.

    It's certainly something to consider though, and I (as always) appreciate the help.

  • Losing over $3k is still losing $3k regardless of where the money came from.



    It's worth getting a free consultation just to see what your options are.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Losing over $3k is still losing $3k regardless of where the money came from.



    It's worth getting a free consultation just to see what your options are.

    You're right.  I'll see what I can do.

  • Good luck, and keep us posted.



    Any way this turns out, this will be an important lesson for everybody.
  • Hey guys, i got a response from the seller. I might not be screwed after all. Apparently the package i won on ebay (9 days after i paid for the missing package) was sent airmail, while my pricey one was sent by i dont know what.... german joggers. He claims he boxed it nicely, but also claims he packed the other one safely and it must have been customs that put it in a crap bag. I will match the handwriting to know for sure I guess.

    Strange thing is we made the deal over gmail IM and he "unfriended me" or whatever... I thought that was weird, like he was erasing all traces. But he is answering my freak-out ebay messages, so that's a good sign.

    sorry to hear about your germans beagle. it aint fun at all. image
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