Normally I wouldn't do this but since i feel so uncomfortably about this guy making money off of other people's hard work (not to mention overpricing)feel free to drop by thecoverproject.net and i'll make you all the top labels you want for FREE!!!!
I'll explain how to print them off yourself and i'll provide all the actual competed top label images.
Good, i'm glad you provided your labels for free. Thats the way it should be as the image property rights do not belong to us, thus we have no right to sell them.
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
Right on! .....well anyways, I don't want to heavily debate this issue, but I will say...it's not someone making tons of money off someone else's work because this person will have to work a crap ton of hours to make a full set of these, I for one...think the price is just right!
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
Right on! .....well anyways, I don't want to heavily debate this issue, but I will say...it's not someone making tons of money off someone else's work because this person will have to work a crap ton of hours to make a full set of these, I for one...think the price is just right!
Well, technically all he's doing is cutting out the ready-made graphics from the cover project and having them printed on stickers. I know this isn't any of my business, but it just doesn't seem right.
Hello everyone! I decided to join this site so I could defend myself! Since shenske was nice enough to join JUST to slam me, and to point out the few labels that YES I took from his site, rather than e-mail me or talk to me directly... But I want to make everyone happy, I wish for no enemies! What
"And when I'm done with the end label designs, if shenske agrees, I'll upload all the finalized artwork to thecoverproject.net so EVERYONE can download and make their on end labels! But if you don't want to print your own labels, come see me!"
I don't know how you can argue with that. I mean, regardless if anyone thinks he is scamming people or charging too much, that is a pretty cool thing to do! I would be very interested in this! I can't afford the $100 labels, and I don't have all the N64 games yet, so this would be incredible for you to do.
I am excited to get your 32x label set (got one from GameGavel). Has anyone talked to you yet about potentially printing out NES controller overlay decals? AllYourBase has designed some awesome ones....
Hello everyone! I decided to join this site so I could defend myself! Since shenske was nice enough to join JUST to slam me, and to point out the few labels that YES I took from his site, rather than e-mail me or talk to me directly... But I want to make everyone happy, I wish for no enemies! What's really funny about all this is... None of this label printing was my idea!
sean @ sega-16.com Hi, I need someone to make me a label for super mario bros for sega genesis. I got the games yesterday in its mega drive form. But i put to much force on the cart and it shattered but, the board survived.
And then after I did that ONE LABEL. I started getting slammed with people asking... "can you do SNES carts, can you do Everdrive labels, can you do 32x end labels... so on and so on..." I have the ability, people were asking for someone to do it for them. So I offered and all I ask is to cover my media, time, and shipping! If you think my prices are too high, then don't order from me! Easy enough. If you have the ability to print them yourself, great! I appreciate thecoverproject.net resources. And they are free to use as we want, correct? Even more so, I had a customer point me to that site to use the artwork! "hey man can you make end labels for the n64, here's a good site where you can get the artwork!" I never knew it was such a big deal! And when I'm done creating the n64 end label full set (USA set) you'll see that 90% of the labels don't look like the spin of the designs on thecoverproject.net the other 10%, YEAH! I like the design and based it on those 10%! And when I'm done with the end label designs, if shenske agrees, I'll upload all the finalized artwork to thecoverproject.net so EVERYONE can download and make their own end labels! But if you don't want to print your own labels, come see me! I have plenty of happy customers! Here's my feedback thread for Sega-16.com http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11545
And yes, for the small order that someone requested, I pull the artwork directly from thecoverproject.net (so that's the samples I have) but I'm working on the full set, and I want everything to be uniform (which I cannot get on thecoverproject.net)
And just to help prove that I'm actually not just (downloading, copy & pasting) here is a sample of the line art that I've made for this full set project!
Hello everyone! I decided to join this site so I could defend myself! Since shenske was nice enough to join JUST to slam me, and to point out the few labels that YES I took from his site, rather than e-mail me or talk to me directly... But I want to make everyone happy, I wish for no enemies! What's really funny about all this is... None of this label printing was my idea!
sean @ sega-16.com Hi, I need someone to make me a label for super mario bros for sega genesis. I got the games yesterday in its mega drive form. But i put to much force on the cart and it shattered but, the board survived.
And then after I did that ONE LABEL. I started getting slammed with people asking... "can you do SNES carts, can you do Everdrive labels, can you do 32x end labels... so on and so on..." I have the ability, people were asking for someone to do it for them. So I offered and all I ask is to cover my media, time, and shipping! If you think my prices are too high, then don't order from me! Easy enough. If you have the ability to print them yourself, great! I appreciate thecoverproject.net resources. And they are free to use as we want, correct? Even more so, I had a customer point me to that site to use the artwork! "hey man can you make end labels for the n64, here's a good site where you can get the artwork!" I never knew it was such a big deal! And when I'm done creating the n64 end label full set (USA set) you'll see that 90% of the labels don't look like the spin of the designs on thecoverproject.net the other 10%, YEAH! I like the design and based it on those 10%! And when I'm done with the end label designs, if shenske agrees, I'll upload all the finalized artwork to thecoverproject.net so EVERYONE can download and make their own end labels! But if you don't want to print your own labels, come see me! I have plenty of happy customers! Here's my feedback thread for Sega-16.com http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11545
And yes, for the small order that someone requested, I pull the artwork directly from thecoverproject.net (so that's the samples I have) but I'm working on the full set, and I want everything to be uniform (which I cannot get on thecoverproject.net)
And just to help prove that I'm actually not just (downloading, copy & pasting) here is a sample of the line art that I've made for this full set project!
It was not my intention to flame you or try and post a discrepancy about the quality of the product you are offering. Like i said before I've used vinyl before and the quality is VERY VERY good. I was upset about some of the images used and the price.
Images: I was upset that some of the images you used were recreations by myself. Like it was pointed out before that we spend a lot of time cleaning and recreating logos from scratch to make them appear retail (or close to it). Sometimes it can take hours in illustrator and photoshop to recreate a logo or an image so it looks just right. If we take all this time to create something free for the public and we see someone using the exact recreated images/logos for profit it can kind of get under my skin.
Price: I have no problem with you using the recreated images i have made or anything you can find on thecoverproject but when i saw the price thats what got at me. I understand that labor is not factored and its not exactly convenient for you to offer the label printing service. I just have my mind completely set in the "free mode" since I've been making covers for years out of the kindness of my heart for anyone at no price. I've been offered commission money to create a cover or print off a cover for people many times but have always turned it down. I have printed some for some dedicated members but i didn't charge them anything outside of the cost for the print and the shipping cost. I just get their covers printed put next time i'm at office max getting my own printed. Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
As far as your offer goes for hosting the labels on thecoverproject.net, i think that is a great idea. As long as they pass quality control and we as a site decide that we will host top labels then i have absolutely no problem with it. We are currently discussing if it is appropriate for thecoverproject.net to host top labels (since they were not officially used) so if we decide to do that then i look forward to adding your labels to the site.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I've joined TCP. And that Unclebob, Shenske, and I are working things out!
Most of you guys have my back on these issues and I appreciate it! But most of this on both sides was a misunderstanding one way or the other! So thanks again for everyone's support!
Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
If you were to go down to the same sign shop, and have the batch of labels printed on vinyl, it would probably cost you more than what is being asked here. Despite the fact that he makes a little money for the benefit he's offering, the buyer is still getting a discount relative to what they would otherwise pay for the same service.
His access to the service in question should be worth something.
Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
If you were to go down to the same sign shop, and have the batch of labels printed on vinyl, it would probably cost you more than what is being asked here. Despite the fact that he makes a little money for the benefit he's offering, the buyer is still getting a discount relative to what they would otherwise pay for the same service.
His access to the service in question should be worth something.
That's absolutely true! Even if someone walked in my shop with all the artwork for the 289 labels ready to go! I would still have to import all the artwork and setup die cuts for all 289... On top of the actual printing and lamination and diecut time! I would at least charge him $289 ($1 per label) which personally I think is a bargain! But I got an offer from a customer to do the full set and he would get a preorder going so we would at least have 4 sets of these labels to print, and he asked if $100 would be ok, I agreed, and that's the deal!
Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
I'd be willing to do that! So lets say $100 with 4 preorders $90 with 8 preorders $80 with 12 preorders
so on and so forth...
How low does it go?
If you can get it down to $50 with 24 orders I'll take 2. Perhaps those already commited at 100 would also be on board for 2 sets? If so that is 10 sets already. It shouldb't be hard to get another 12 sets at half the price.
new member and new fights! i miss being around! oh, by the way... mrn, your package will be delivered this week (i think tomorrow or thursday). welcome to the site, fighters!
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I don't totally feel comfortable with this guy taking custom cover artwork he didn't make so he can make a quick buck.
Check out some of the spines from the covers that thecoverproject.net provides for free.
Look familiar? The only reason he is able to make a complete set for the N64 is because we have a complete set of all the covers on our site.
Diddy Kong Racing
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=10874
Super Mario 64
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=10032
Legend of Zelda
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=10876
Super Smash Bros.
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=10311
StarFox 64
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=11154
Shall I continue?
Normally I wouldn't do this but since i feel so uncomfortably about this guy making money off of other people's hard work (not to mention overpricing)feel free to drop by thecoverproject.net and i'll make you all the top labels you want for FREE!!!!
I'll explain how to print them off yourself and i'll provide all the actual competed top label images.
Cheers!
-Shenske
Good, i'm glad you provided your labels for free. Thats the way it should be as the image property rights do not belong to us, thus we have no right to sell them.
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
Right on! .....well anyways, I don't want to heavily debate this issue, but I will say...it's not someone making tons of money off someone else's work because this person will have to work a crap ton of hours to make a full set of these, I for one...think the price is just right!
I was going to just leave this alone because I thought it was obvious, but the seller asked me to post something about it.
First, FTR, NA doesn't support the plagerism implied in your posts. That said, I personally scaned, organized, and uploaded 99% of the NA N64 database...and I consider those images fair game for who ever wants to do whatever with them (as long as it's not making "fake" shit). In my personal opinion, anything that you post on the internet, and freely claim no copyrights to, is up for grabs to whom ever wants to use it for whatever.
The seller says:
"All artwork is customer provide and/or copyright to their respective companies. All artwork provided is free of charge! The cost for these labels cover the vinyl print media, UV lamination, electrical cost to run these machines, and shipping cost. These decals are high quality vinyl (not paper) self-adhesive decals with a UV lamination."
and not to mention the hours and hours that go into compiling, formatting, and organizing these things.
If you have further issues with this, I suggest you take it up with the seller, not me. Respect.
Right on! .....well anyways, I don't want to heavily debate this issue, but I will say...it's not someone making tons of money off someone else's work because this person will have to work a crap ton of hours to make a full set of these, I for one...think the price is just right!
Well, technically all he's doing is cutting out the ready-made graphics from the cover project and having them printed on stickers. I know this isn't any of my business, but it just doesn't seem right.
What
I don't know how you can argue with that. I mean, regardless if anyone thinks he is scamming people or charging too much, that is a pretty cool thing to do! I would be very interested in this! I can't afford the $100 labels, and I don't have all the N64 games yet, so this would be incredible for you to do.
So lets say $100 with 4 preorders
$90 with 8 preorders
$80 with 12 preorders
so on and so forth...
Woohoo! We just need 40 more people and we all get 'em free!
Right... hehe..
I am excited to get your 32x label set (got one from GameGavel). Has anyone talked to you yet about potentially printing out NES controller overlay decals? AllYourBase has designed some awesome ones....
ETA: This thread- http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=38783
Hello everyone! I decided to join this site so I could defend myself! Since shenske was nice enough to join JUST to slam me, and to point out the few labels that YES I took from his site, rather than e-mail me or talk to me directly... But I want to make everyone happy, I wish for no enemies!
What's really funny about all this is... None of this label printing was my idea!
sean @ sega-16.com Hi,
I need someone to make me a label for super mario bros for sega genesis.
I got the games yesterday in its mega drive form. But i put to much force on the cart and it shattered but, the board survived.
And then after I did that ONE LABEL. I started getting slammed with people asking... "can you do SNES carts, can you do Everdrive labels, can you do 32x end labels... so on and so on..." I have the ability, people were asking for someone to do it for them. So I offered and all I ask is to cover my media, time, and shipping! If you think my prices are too high, then don't order from me! Easy enough. If you have the ability to print them yourself, great! I appreciate thecoverproject.net resources. And they are free to use as we want, correct? Even more so, I had a customer point me to that site to use the artwork! "hey man can you make end labels for the n64, here's a good site where you can get the artwork!" I never knew it was such a big deal! And when I'm done creating the n64 end label full set (USA set) you'll see that 90% of the labels don't look like the spin of the designs on thecoverproject.net the other 10%, YEAH! I like the design and based it on those 10%! And when I'm done with the end label designs, if shenske agrees, I'll upload all the finalized artwork to thecoverproject.net so EVERYONE can download and make their own end labels! But if you don't want to print your own labels, come see me! I have plenty of happy customers! Here's my feedback thread for Sega-16.com http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11545
And yes, for the small order that someone requested, I pull the artwork directly from thecoverproject.net (so that's the samples I have) but I'm working on the full set, and I want everything to be uniform (which I cannot get on thecoverproject.net)
And just to help prove that I'm actually not just (downloading, copy & pasting) here is a sample of the line art that I've made for this full set project!
Cool. Thanks for joining and showing us your face
Hello everyone! I decided to join this site so I could defend myself! Since shenske was nice enough to join JUST to slam me, and to point out the few labels that YES I took from his site, rather than e-mail me or talk to me directly... But I want to make everyone happy, I wish for no enemies!
What's really funny about all this is... None of this label printing was my idea!
sean @ sega-16.com Hi,
I need someone to make me a label for super mario bros for sega genesis.
I got the games yesterday in its mega drive form. But i put to much force on the cart and it shattered but, the board survived.
And then after I did that ONE LABEL. I started getting slammed with people asking... "can you do SNES carts, can you do Everdrive labels, can you do 32x end labels... so on and so on..." I have the ability, people were asking for someone to do it for them. So I offered and all I ask is to cover my media, time, and shipping! If you think my prices are too high, then don't order from me! Easy enough. If you have the ability to print them yourself, great! I appreciate thecoverproject.net resources. And they are free to use as we want, correct? Even more so, I had a customer point me to that site to use the artwork! "hey man can you make end labels for the n64, here's a good site where you can get the artwork!" I never knew it was such a big deal! And when I'm done creating the n64 end label full set (USA set) you'll see that 90% of the labels don't look like the spin of the designs on thecoverproject.net the other 10%, YEAH! I like the design and based it on those 10%! And when I'm done with the end label designs, if shenske agrees, I'll upload all the finalized artwork to thecoverproject.net so EVERYONE can download and make their own end labels! But if you don't want to print your own labels, come see me! I have plenty of happy customers! Here's my feedback thread for Sega-16.com http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11545
And yes, for the small order that someone requested, I pull the artwork directly from thecoverproject.net (so that's the samples I have) but I'm working on the full set, and I want everything to be uniform (which I cannot get on thecoverproject.net)
And just to help prove that I'm actually not just (downloading, copy & pasting) here is a sample of the line art that I've made for this full set project!
@MrBigRedDog
It was not my intention to flame you or try and post a discrepancy about the quality of the product you are offering. Like i said before I've used vinyl before and the quality is VERY VERY good. I was upset about some of the images used and the price.
Images:
I was upset that some of the images you used were recreations by myself. Like it was pointed out before that we spend a lot of time cleaning and recreating logos from scratch to make them appear retail (or close to it). Sometimes it can take hours in illustrator and photoshop to recreate a logo or an image so it looks just right.
If we take all this time to create something free for the public and we see someone using the exact recreated images/logos for profit it can kind of get under my skin.
Price:
I have no problem with you using the recreated images i have made or anything you can find on thecoverproject but when i saw the price thats what got at me. I understand that labor is not factored and its not exactly convenient for you to offer the label printing service.
I just have my mind completely set in the "free mode" since I've been making covers for years out of the kindness of my heart for anyone at no price. I've been offered commission money to create a cover or print off a cover for people many times but have always turned it down.
I have printed some for some dedicated members but i didn't charge them anything outside of the cost for the print and the shipping cost. I just get their covers printed put next time i'm at office max getting my own printed.
Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
As far as your offer goes for hosting the labels on thecoverproject.net, i think that is a great idea. As long as they pass quality control and we as a site decide that we will host top labels then i have absolutely no problem with it. We are currently discussing if it is appropriate for thecoverproject.net to host top labels (since they were not officially used) so if we decide to do that then i look forward to adding your labels to the site.
- Shenske
WOW Tighe.... Looks like you need some end labels!!
LOL, those aren't mine, those are on the shelf of my local used game store. I wouldn't buy them!
Most of you guys have my back on these issues and I appreciate it! But most of this on both sides was a misunderstanding one way or the other! So thanks again for everyone's support!
Price:
Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
If you were to go down to the same sign shop, and have the batch of labels printed on vinyl, it would probably cost you more than what is being asked here. Despite the fact that he makes a little money for the benefit he's offering, the buyer is still getting a discount relative to what they would otherwise pay for the same service.
His access to the service in question should be worth something.
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Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
If you were to go down to the same sign shop, and have the batch of labels printed on vinyl, it would probably cost you more than what is being asked here. Despite the fact that he makes a little money for the benefit he's offering, the buyer is still getting a discount relative to what they would otherwise pay for the same service.
His access to the service in question should be worth something.
That's absolutely true! Even if someone walked in my shop with all the artwork for the 289 labels ready to go! I would still have to import all the artwork and setup die cuts for all 289... On top of the actual printing and lamination and diecut time! I would at least charge him $289 ($1 per label) which personally I think is a bargain! But I got an offer from a customer to do the full set and he would get a preorder going so we would at least have 4 sets of these labels to print, and he asked if $100 would be ok, I agreed, and that's the deal!
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Since you already work at a print-shop then it shouldn't be that inconvenient for you to print them while you're already there. I understand that Ink costs money too (not $52 worth) but labor shouldn't be factored into at all. If you are already there and the customer is willing to pay for the print and the shipping then everything outside of that is profit. Since neither of us own the image rights i don't think it is ethical to make any profit on the images used at all.
People have there right to pay you for your services even if the price in my opinion is too high. Not everyone has the ability to go out and print the labels off themselves and you are offering that to them. Like i said many times before the main problem i have is the amount you charge ($100) exceeds the cost of printing the labels out, yes even on vinyl. I understand that you didn't come up with the idea of the labels or the amount you charge but you are still standing by that amount now.
I'd be willing to do that!
So lets say $100 with 4 preorders
$90 with 8 preorders
$80 with 12 preorders
so on and so forth...
How low does it go?
If you can get it down to $50 with 24 orders I'll take 2. Perhaps those already commited at 100 would also be on board for 2 sets? If so that is 10 sets already. It shouldb't be hard to get another 12 sets at half the price.