Decisions, decisions
I have a functional toaster, but unfortunately due to its size and quite frankly the inconvenience of size and other factors I don't like using it.
I own two top loaders, and a few famiclones, but none of my famiclones take actual NES controllers. I'm considering doing one of two things. Option #1 is to buy a cheap retrobit famiclone that takes NES controllers. Option #2 is to find someone to AV mod the top loader. Any suggestions considering the circumstances?
I own two top loaders, and a few famiclones, but none of my famiclones take actual NES controllers. I'm considering doing one of two things. Option #1 is to buy a cheap retrobit famiclone that takes NES controllers. Option #2 is to find someone to AV mod the top loader. Any suggestions considering the circumstances?
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I highly recommend the RetroN 3 system. Plays NES/SNES/Genesis, and takes original controllers for all 3. Has the same limitations as every other clone out there, but I love the thing.
Size and space is an issue. How big is it?
Don't screw with a toploader unless you absolutely have to. They're great to own and have solid resale value in a pinch. I'd go for the famiclone and preserve your toploader.
The reason this is coming up is setting up RF on some TVs is a pain, and the video quality on the top loader does bother me.
It's a beautiful picture once done, and you can play all your games, and if you ever get a Powerpak it will work on a toploader.
Only one clone and only certain revisions of it work with the Powerpak. Just a thought.
I would personally recommend AV modding a toploader.
It's a beautiful picture once done, and you can play all your games, and if you ever get a Powerpak it will work on a toploader.
Only one clone and only certain revisions of it work with the Powerpak. Just a thought.
This brings me to the next question if I choose to go in that direction, who can AV mod it (I suck at sodering). Where to find someone who would do the mod, or should I see if I can find a pre-av modded one.
Dan, have you seen my comparison photos of the AV mod versus reg toploader?
Nope
3rd post from the bottom.
Yea you have to get it modded. Looks great.
I was waiting for you to chime in. I should be your spokesman!
What's a mod of a top loader cost anyway?
That I can't answer sorry. Depends on who you find willing to go it, how much the materials cost them, and how much their time is worth to them I suppose.
And the mod will add significant value to the toploader, where as a clone has like no resale value...
i already built the one on GamesX, minus hooking the RF back up. and i could not get it to work on my frontloader.
i even did a one up on their instructions and i hooked my composite straight up to the ppu. it works fine, without the resistors/transistor, except its too dark just like they said it would be.id like some advice on what the best one would be, and id also like to be able to hook it up in my toaster first.
I dont care if something goes awry in the toaster.
Besides Nostalgia i only see 2 mabeye 3 reasons to want a toaster and its not the Zif socket.
#1 some way to hook it up besides RF.
#2 Price
#3 Retrousb
sofar the best topload mod that i have seen, is taking the rgb ppu out of a playchoice 10 and using that in the toploader. I would guess you could also use one from an AV famicom. but does anyone have a better solution than taking it from one of those two?
The only ones that are jail bar free are AV famicom and Famicom Titler. NES 001 Toaster doesn't show them nearly as much as original Famicom, Sharp Twin Famicom, and Top ader. Our Top Loader design copied the original famicom, so that is why it has the same problems.
AV famicom also supports regular NES controllers. Only thing that sucks is you lose light gun support, which can be fixed via modding or buying the overly expensive, but awesome looking revolver light gun.
Also keep in mind, the intensity of the jail bars depends greatly on your display. Commodore monitors do not display it, as well as really old TVs. Do you see them now with RF?
Only thing I hate about the Top Loader is, even when modded with composite, it will show jail bars. Even with the best AV mod, they are still there.
The only ones that are jail bar free are AV famicom and Famicom Titler. NES 001 Toaster doesn't show them nearly as much as original Famicom, Sharp Twin Famicom, and Top ader. Our Top Loader design copied the original famicom, so that is why it has the same problems.
AV famicom also supports regular NES controllers. Only thing that sucks is you lose light gun support, which can be fixed via modding or buying the overly expensive, but awesome looking revolver light gun.
Also keep in mind, the intensity of the jail bars depends greatly on your display. Commodore monitors do not display it, as well as really old TVs. Do you see them now with RF?
If the AV mod is done correctly there will not be jail bars.
Only thing I hate about the Top Loader is, even when modded with composite, it will show jail bars. Even with the best AV mod, they are still there.
The only ones that are jail bar free are AV famicom and Famicom Titler. NES 001 Toaster doesn't show them nearly as much as original Famicom, Sharp Twin Famicom, and Top ader. Our Top Loader design copied the original famicom, so that is why it has the same problems.
AV famicom also supports regular NES controllers. Only thing that sucks is you lose light gun support, which can be fixed via modding or buying the overly expensive, but awesome looking revolver light gun.
Also keep in mind, the intensity of the jail bars depends greatly on your display. Commodore monitors do not display it, as well as really old TVs. Do you see them now with RF?
If the AV mod includes a rebuilt video circuit the jailbars are eliminated. I've got pics posted in another thread showing the difference in the jairbars between toploader and one with rebuilt video circuit and AV jacks.
Only thing I hate about the Top Loader is, even when modded with composite, it will show jail bars. Even with the best AV mod, they are still there.
The only ones that are jail bar free are AV famicom and Famicom Titler. NES 001 Toaster doesn't show them nearly as much as original Famicom, Sharp Twin Famicom, and Top ader. Our Top Loader design copied the original famicom, so that is why it has the same problems.
AV famicom also supports regular NES controllers. Only thing that sucks is you lose light gun support, which can be fixed via modding or buying the overly expensive, but awesome looking revolver light gun.
Also keep in mind, the intensity of the jail bars depends greatly on your display. Commodore monitors do not display it, as well as really old TVs. Do you see them now with RF?
If the AV mod includes a rebuilt video circuit the jailbars are eliminated. I've got pics posted in another thread showing the difference in the jairbars between toploader and one with rebuilt video circuit and AV jacks.
I looked over the thread you posted on, and wow, those jail bars are bad. The jail bars im talking about are not the ones you experience, but ones you see with certain palette colors.The best way to see them is in Super Mario Bros. level 1 or Excitebike.
Both these have very bright colors in the background, blue and green
respectfully. Other than those bright palettes, it is impossible to see the jail bars.
I am not saying Top Loader with av mod won't look good, just saying at best, it will look on par with the NES 001. NES 001 has jail bars as well, just not anywhere near as severe as Top Loader/Famicom. They are hard to tell depending on your monitor, and non-existent on commodore type monitors.
Also all RGB mods i've seen done on anything other than AV famicom have jail bars.
I can take comparision pics of a toaster also, if you want.