I was hooked as soon as I heard that wonderful tune....
Stan seriously, it was the very first console RPG, so give it a break, it obviously sucks in the alternate universe you're stuck in, where also, no one can get below 21 in Archon....
Dw is one of my all time favs as it was awesome (for it's time!) I still go back and play through it for fun...always great! A sealed copy is cheep too for your collection if it is a favorite! You wouldn't even feel bad opening it for that old time feeling
Dw is one of my all time favs as it was awesome (for it's time!) I still go back and play through it for fun...always great! A sealed copy is cheep too for your collection if it is a favorite! You wouldn't even feel bad opening it for that old time feeling
I read something recently about this game that I feel is spot on. A large part of the enjoyment of the game comes from "gambling". How far can I go without dying? I am deep in a dungeon and running low on herbs and MP, should I head back up or push on to the end? I just bumped into my first Goldman, should I run or hope that Sleep sticks?
The death penalty in this game is perfect for this style of play. Death in Dragon Warrior simply puts you back in the starting castle, taking away only half of your gold instead of hours of your life. Being a successful "gambler" still has a huge payoff, but "losing the bet" isn't a disaster. Death is meaningful and to be avoided, but not excessively punitive.
Contrast it to the similar gameplay of Final Fantasy. In Final Fantasy, dungeon crawling usually involves heading inside with 99 potions and going as deep as you can before they run out. However, you absolutely must get back to the surface before they run out or you will have wasted hours of your time. Death means the game is literally over and you must reload from a save. This leads to overly conservative play.
One of the most enjoyable segments of my current play-through involves both this gambling quality and the maligned "stay in one area and fight" aspect. It was the grave of Garin. I had just spent my last two keys getting into it. I knew that leaving the town would close the doors again, forcing me to spend the time and gold getting new keys. I was determined to get through this dungeon.
At first, I was able to take out any enemies on the top level without trouble, but the skeletons and wolves on the second level were deadly. I had to sleep absolutely everything. I would push myself as far as I could, using all of my herbs and MP before running back to the surface for a stay at the inn. I repeated this process many times.
Eventually, I looted enough gold to buy the Hand Axe. Then the Large Shield. I gained two levels. I was then able to fight the skeletons and wolves without sleep and survive through encounters with the denizens of the third dungeon level. Finally I was able to find the key item in the grave and climb out successfully. It was actually this experience that prompted me to create this thread.
Yeah that's DQ/DW for you entirely, it's all a crap shoot if you win or eat it and lose half. I did enjoy that aspect more than the crap thing FF did pull as you really had to potion up, and that game should have been more maligned than Enix's series because FF required far more leveling in one area since you really did need to buy all the new gear for sale before the dungeon, and you had to get a crap ton of potions, antidotes too if it was an area poisons were around (and on a first play through you just bought a bunch in case, softs too eventually.) FF1 was poorly balanced in that respect, FF2 and 3 got a little better but it didn't really truly level out until the 4th. DQ was a consistent game, but it does still deserve to be ripped for the leveling too, but only looking forward since they stuck with it until it did get grating.
The death penalty in this game is perfect for this style of play. Death in Dragon Warrior simply puts you back in the starting castle, taking away only half of your gold instead of hours of your life.
I have to agree, this is definitely a potentially cool feature. It always annoyed me when I lost half of the gold I built up, however, so I would usually just reset and start from where I was. Wasn't much difference anyway other than some experience you may have acquired, which in certain cases (because you may have been gold building anyway), you'll pretty much get back.
Hahahah, boy you are TOO easy to prod. Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about.
Coming from a guy with a picture of a frat boy puking and a sig thing with a penis ejaculating on breasts he's never touched in his life, I guess I should be offended.
Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about. It's probably worse in that respect than Pokemon, because Pokemon is still culturally relevant to most people.
Yeah you nerds! Only topics that are relevant to >50% of the population have any merit and should be discussed on the internet! Haven't you seen the comments on Youtube videos?
In the spirit of Stan, I'm re-purposing this thread for greater mass appeal:
Do you think Justin Bieber would think Dragon Quest IX was amazing?
Coming from a guy with a picture of a frat boy puking and a sig thing with a penis ejaculating on breasts he's never touched in his life, I guess I should be offended.
Versus the man who draws the cartoon skeleton? C'mon, noone here is "cool," why even post in a thread about how much people like Dragon Warrior with nothing more than the intent to start a fight? And seriously, what is it to you what's in someone's picture or signature, just bow out of the thread and pick a fight somewhere else.
Dragon Warrior is absolutely brilliant. No RPG I can think of gives the same satisfaction you get when leveling up. Greatest NES RPG in my opinion.
+1 for face. -1 for greatest RPG comment. Really? I mean, I like playing it, sure, but it's not aged well. Hell, Exodus is somewhat better than it in certain respects. No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES. Soundtrack is awesome.
Hahahah, boy you are TOO easy to prod. Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about.
Wow.
I just kinda laughed it off as another sly troll jab taunting people. As if I don't walk into Walmart, Target, and many other mainstream retailers daily and see NES era merchandise. As if Dragon Quest doesn't have a huge following loving the entire series. As if NES era games weren't still being sold with great success on modern consoles, and every Flea Market didn't have a knock off NES in some booth. I dunno what he is trying to accomplish with all the negativity towards his own hobby.
No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES.
We must just have different ideas of what makes a good game. I couldn't play Pool of Radiance more than a couple minutes with the painful fake 3d interface and zero animations. By 1992 DW3 was out with a far bigger storyline/world, plus the graphics that easily tops Pool of Radiance. Even Miracle Warriors has better graphics =]
No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES.
We must just have different ideas of what makes a good game. I couldn't play Pool of Radiance more than a couple minutes with the painful fake 3d interface and zero animations. By 1992 DW3 was out with a far bigger storyline/world, plus the graphics that easily tops Pool of Radiance. Even Miracle Warriors has better graphics =]
Pool of Radiance, on the computer, is a classic.
Pool of Radiance, on the NES, is pretty awful by comparison.
If the system is dead, why are you wasting your time here? And why would I be wasting my time programming it? For a dead system, it's had quite a few "new" releases in the past few years.
By dead, it means it's no longer a publically active system. Just because people homebrew doesn't mean anything, because it's not like the games are getting wide distribution or distribution in Walmart. There's an underground scene just like for the 2600, but it's not a market like the Wii, PS3, etc. That's what dead means. Most people other than us losers would know DW by anything other than name. If you were really laughing, GBiatch, you wouldn't even respond to my "trolling" in the first place. Yes, Pool has horrid graphics, but that's not what's good about it. It's really the only "adult" RPG for the NES. Color scheme is god awful, the graphics are pretty much nil, but man, great game. It's only real D & D game for the system. Follows the standard rules pretty well throughout.
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Stan seriously, it was the very first console RPG, so give it a break, it obviously sucks in the alternate universe you're stuck in, where also, no one can get below 21 in Archon....
Stan seriously, it was the very first console RPG, so give it a break...
Actually, it wasn't, that award goes to Dragonstomper.
I have to agree, this is definitely a potentially cool feature. It always annoyed me when I lost half of the gold I built up, however, so I would usually just reset and start from where I was. Wasn't much difference anyway other than some experience you may have acquired, which in certain cases (because you may have been gold building anyway), you'll pretty much get back.
Hahahah, boy you are TOO easy to prod. Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about.
Wow.
Dragon Warrior is absolutely brilliant. No RPG I can think of gives the same satisfaction you get when leveling up. Greatest NES RPG in my opinion.
Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about. It's probably worse in that respect than Pokemon, because Pokemon is still culturally relevant to most people.
Yeah you nerds! Only topics that are relevant to >50% of the population have any merit and should be discussed on the internet! Haven't you seen the comments on Youtube videos?
In the spirit of Stan, I'm re-purposing this thread for greater mass appeal:
Do you think Justin Bieber would think Dragon Quest IX was amazing?
Coming from a guy with a picture of a frat boy puking and a sig thing with a penis ejaculating on breasts he's never touched in his life, I guess I should be offended.
Versus the man who draws the cartoon skeleton? C'mon, noone here is "cool," why even post in a thread about how much people like Dragon Warrior with nothing more than the intent to start a fight? And seriously, what is it to you what's in someone's picture or signature, just bow out of the thread and pick a fight somewhere else.
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Dragon Warrior is absolutely brilliant. No RPG I can think of gives the same satisfaction you get when leveling up. Greatest NES RPG in my opinion.
+1 for face. -1 for greatest RPG comment. Really? I mean, I like playing it, sure, but it's not aged well. Hell, Exodus is somewhat better than it in certain respects. No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES. Soundtrack is awesome.
Really? I mean, I like playing it, sure, but it's not aged well.
No, but that doesn't make it any less fun to me.
Hahahah, boy you are TOO easy to prod. Let's remind ourselves that, though not a Pokemon forum, we're a bunch of 20-something or older men and women (sometimes) talking about a dead system. In this particular thread we're arguing about the merits of a game most people could give a shit about.
Wow.
I just kinda laughed it off as another sly troll jab taunting people. As if I don't walk into Walmart, Target, and many other mainstream retailers daily and see NES era merchandise. As if Dragon Quest doesn't have a huge following loving the entire series. As if NES era games weren't still being sold with great success on modern consoles, and every Flea Market didn't have a knock off NES in some booth. I dunno what he is trying to accomplish with all the negativity towards his own hobby.
No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES.
We must just have different ideas of what makes a good game. I couldn't play Pool of Radiance more than a couple minutes with the painful fake 3d interface and zero animations. By 1992 DW3 was out with a far bigger storyline/world, plus the graphics that easily tops Pool of Radiance. Even Miracle Warriors has better graphics =]
No way it can hold a candle to Pool of Radiance. Other than the horrible graphics, that's hands down the best RPG for the NES.
We must just have different ideas of what makes a good game. I couldn't play Pool of Radiance more than a couple minutes with the painful fake 3d interface and zero animations. By 1992 DW3 was out with a far bigger storyline/world, plus the graphics that easily tops Pool of Radiance. Even Miracle Warriors has better graphics =]
Pool of Radiance, on the computer, is a classic.
Pool of Radiance, on the NES, is pretty awful by comparison.