Nintendo "Project Cafe"
I know this is just a code name. But anyone have thoughts on this?
http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1162045p1.html
Controller with touch screen? Café? Hmm... a Café is a place where a person can selection a number of goods and services. Maybe this will be Nintendo's philosphy for their next console. A selection of downloadable titles, old and new, ect. who knows? I'm excited though, I'm ready to see whats next.
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but you forgot the Gamecube in your family tree list....
I could understand forgetting the V-boy, but the GC was not THAT bad. I actually still like it...
I hope to see this be real, I actually like the controller design. It's the 360 controller without the crappy D-Pad, that's a win. Now we can play real modern games and Nintendo/Wii games in one! If they'd of done that in the first place, they'd of owned the console market easily.
This won't be more powerful than a 360 or PS3, They're using a tri-core broadway processor that is basically that came out for the Gamecube. But with how games are made today with C/C++, It doesn't matter. The graphics, meh. You probably won't be able to tell 360 from Wii 2. They know how to use 360/PS3 graphics processors correct today. By the time to get the code fine-tuned for the greatest use of the hardware, it'll be the time for REAL next-gen consoles.
I hope to see this be real, I actually like the controller design. It's the 360 controller without the crappy D-Pad, that's a win. Now we can play real modern games and Nintendo/Wii games in one! If they'd of done that in the first place, they'd of owned the console market easily.
No they wouldn't. You fail to mention/realize that their lack of actual good titles is very poor. To be on top, you need good software. Wii has very few good games when compared to the library of crap.
If they'd of done that in the first place, they'd of owned the console market easily.
Worldwide sales figures
I don't see how they can say Wii Sports is that high in sales when it came bundled with the Wii. Any game that came bundled should have those stats adjusted for games that you had no choice to get with a brand new wii. It's like saying Mario 1/Duck Hunt is the most sold game ever because it was that good, but the fact is that it came bundled with every NES (aside from the ROB release, and possibly another version?).
Still, that's pretty insane that the Wii has that much dominance over the other 2 contenders.
Whatever the next gen Wii is the specs will still be pitiful compared to a plain computer. 1080p is old news even on laptops. CPU/GPU are very bad benchmarks for a console comparison.
Not to dispute the dominance, but to be fair, I have both a wii and ps3 and I have those wii games (because as everyone knows, they are the only wii games worth getting) but not those PS3 games.. Basically, xbox and ps3 have to spread their game sales across several games people like whereas the wii has like 4 games worth getting in the library.
Doesn't say anything about console sales though
Edit: What I mean to say is:
I think total game sales would be a better indicator on the game side.
Yes but do you want to be buying $100+ controllers? 6" blacklit lcd touch panels aren't exactly cheap.
Yes they are. You can replace both DS screens for around $20. I would imagine if you are making millions of them at once the cost would be even less.
But the idea of a touch screen on a controller is really silly. I have 2 of those giant Sony remotes with the touch screens, and they are not very fun to use.
Mog maybe they are $20, maybe they're not. It depends what they're paying, not the third party replacements you get online. Also when you figure in all the other standard parts, motion sensors, gyros, and the rest, then marketing, packing, shipping, their profit margin. They're as is asking $50 for the 2 Wii controller pieces as is (Sony/MS are there or a little higher as is too), so even if they were $20-25 or so screens that's coming up pretty high for a stupid controller.
Yes but do you want to be buying $100+ controllers? 6" blacklit lcd touch panels aren't exactly cheap.
I would assume the system would come with one. Then you could buy standard $20-$30 second player controllers alongside optional say $80-$100 touchscreen controllers. Similar to the classic controller, the Wiimote, and the Wiimotion Plus.
dra00n; They can use those figures because only here they give it as a freebie, other regions paid full price for it. You know you were right about the shitty games though, and that's a fair mix of Nintendo going non-HD, and greatly more so the childish crybaby grade school bullshit mentality of the third party companies which decided to play bully and give Nintendo b-team crap titles and the rare 'good' game to usually either halfass a good idea into a shitty rail shooter (dead space, res evil.) The other was the usage of lying to the consumers who did get informed and care how if they bought X turd to prove they cared their next game would be a major A franchise which never happened even when stuff did move. The Wii was fucked by grade school bullying and childish behavior combined with Nintendo's own ignorant advertising that insulting 'core' players and embraced granny all when going 'cheap' (no-HD) in a generation where the other two decided to sell overly powerful hardware at bad losses which made Nintendo look stupid.
Mog maybe they are $20, maybe they're not. It depends what they're paying, not the third party replacements you get online. Also when you figure in all the other standard parts, motion sensors, gyros, and the rest, then marketing, packing, shipping, their profit margin. They're as is asking $50 for the 2 Wii controller pieces as is (Sony/MS are there or a little higher as is too), so even if they were $20-25 or so screens that's coming up pretty high for a stupid controller.
umm , I think it would also help if they hadn't cheaped out on the HW quite so much.. Even in non-hd, it just can't run most of the big third-party titles without significant sacrifices if you are talking about 3D games.. It just can't handle what developers want to do for the higher end titles and that was an intentional choice by Nintendo, they knew they wouldn't be able to run the intensive 3d games that others could. Plus, I don't know what there is to get upset about. Nintendo is doing awesome with their choice to not follow the others by basically not supporting 3d games at all and therefore solidly choosing to compete with mostly 1rst party titles and "less cutting edge" games.
Not to dispute the dominance, but to be fair, I have both a wii and ps3 and I have those wii games (because as everyone knows, they are the only wii games worth getting) but not those PS3 games.. Basically, xbox and ps3 have to spread their game sales across several games people like whereas the wii has like 4 games worth getting in the library.
Doesn't say anything about console sales though
Edit: What I mean to say is:
I think total game sales would be a better indicator on the game side.
Isn't that what the million sellers list shows? Sure there's TONS of crapware on the Wii, but also far more high selling games. 360 has ~80% as many games total, but only ~68% of the million sellers as Wii. PS3 does worse with 66% of the games but only 31% as many top sellers. So as a percent of all the games, the good sellers for Wii are more common.
Same with touch panels/LCDs. You CAN get both DS screens for around $20. You can also get a replacement iPhone screen for around the same price, or any other similar touch screen I would imagine. Really don't know if there is a "3rd party" for this type of stuff, but I know the cheap replacement iPhone screen looks and works 100% like the original. Same with the DS ones i've herd. And that price is the end user cost, if you are the manufacture buying millions of them, im sure the actual cost of these would be a fraction of that.
Also, that is for high res displays. I would think if it's on a controller they wouldn't need anything nearly as fancy as that. 256 color display would be just fine I think.
Not to dispute the dominance, but to be fair, I have both a wii and ps3 and I have those wii games (because as everyone knows, they are the only wii games worth getting) but not those PS3 games.. Basically, xbox and ps3 have to spread their game sales across several games people like whereas the wii has like 4 games worth getting in the library.
Doesn't say anything about console sales though
Edit: What I mean to say is:
I think total game sales would be a better indicator on the game side.
Isn't that what the million sellers list shows? Sure there's TONS of crapware on the Wii, but also far more high selling games. 360 has ~80% as many games total, but only ~68% of the million sellers as Wii. PS3 does worse with 66% of the games but only 31% as many top sellers. So as a percent of all the games, the good sellers for Wii are more common.
Isn't that what the million sellers list shows?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean.. The numbers only show console sales and then specific game sales. All I was saying is a total game sales (for all games for the system) I think would tell more than specific games. What I was saying is if the 360 for example (completely making this up hypothetically) has 300 titles that sell 900,000 copies each and the Wii has 10 that sell 20 million copies each, then they are quite a bit closer in reality than if you just look at the top games.
I gave up on real computer titles, it's too much grief just to meet the requirements and get the stupid thing to work.
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Same with touch panels/LCDs. You CAN get both DS screens for around $20. You can also get a replacement iPhone screen for around the same price, or any other similar touch screen I would imagine.
Isn't that what the million sellers list shows?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean.. The numbers only show console sales and then specific game sales. All I was saying is a total game sales (for all games for the system) I think would tell more than specific games. What I was saying is the 360 for example (completely making this up hypothetically) has 300 titles that sell 900,000 copies each and the Wii has 10 that sell 20 million copies each, then they are quite a bit closer in reality than if you just look at the top games.
Guess you missed my post right above your first post ~80 Wii games have sold over 1 million copies, ~55 games for Xbox 360, and only ~25 for PS3. Wii games are more likely to be top sellers, and the best of those sell many times more than the other systems. Just the top 2 Wii games (again ignoring Wii Sports) beats the top 20 PS3 in total sales.
Isn't that what the million sellers list shows?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean.. The numbers only show console sales and then specific game sales. All I was saying is a total game sales (for all games for the system) I think would tell more than specific games. What I was saying is the 360 for example (completely making this up hypothetically) has 300 titles that sell 900,000 copies each and the Wii has 10 that sell 20 million copies each, then they are quite a bit closer in reality than if you just look at the top games.
Guess you missed my post right above your first post ~80 Wii games have sold over 1 million copies, ~55 games for Xbox 360, and only ~25 for PS3. Wii games are more likely to be top sellers, and the best of those sell many times more than the other systems. Just the top 2 Wii games (again ignoring Wii Sports) beats the top 20 PS3 in total sales.
No, I saw your post, I just think it leaves some to the imagination (what if 360 had hundreds of games just below the 1mill mark?) . Where as the total game sales leaves nothing unacounted.
Anyone else think them releasing the "next-gen" console 2-4 years early will kill them, too? I think this is a terrible idea, unless they do put out only the best.
Highest selling Microsoft game ever: Halo 3 8.1 million.
Highest selling Sony game ever:GTA San Andreas 17.3 million.
Nintendogs: 22.7 million sold
Wii Play: 27.38 million sold
Now add in the budgets to create those titles. Ill bet the ds/wii games cost like 1% of the cost to make.
Its just different audiences. Nintendo caters to hipsters and kids, and sony/Microsoft caters to hyperactive dorks
Cradelit I did rip them too as they went with the granny market and I did note the lack of HD type hardware, but Nintendo also isn't one to ever sell at any form of a loss and have been clear about that. It's why I brought up thinking the 6" touch screen otherwise fairly standard type controller probably is bs as it will add up. I know the system can't do what developers want, and that's be able to do easy cheap ports between systems, but it also can do far more than they gave it credit for and just laughed it off which sucks (that was the point.) The thing to be upset over is the fact that while they're doing fantastic cash wise, they created a system on a lie to start (it never was right until motion plus came out on how they sold it as a 1:1 motion tracker essentially.) They also sold it as their next big system to expect the expected goods and great third party support and they failed moderately on one and totally on the other. They did succeed in their other big push, the non-gamer types for whatever the need as they gobbled it up and put them on top. Had the Wii maintained the quality the Cube had, and the developers treated it well with good games I probably would still not own a PS3 but the Wii these days gets use every few months as it's a shitbox with a blue led I disabled. I got the 3DS as their handhelds aren't treated as a joke, but until I see third party honesty and efforts on their home front it'll be a hard pill to swallow buying any more of their home console shit.