I hope Sony and Mirosoft don't rush out a console before the hardware is ready to be upgraded. At this time today, it is not ready. And since it's probably finalized right now, I don't have high expectations. I think Nintendo will regret this in the 2013-2014 years if Sony or Microsoft are pumping out their new consoles in the later, and with even better hardware proportionally I would bet. [Even better then 360/PS3 to Wii ratio of hardware. Although CPU power today doesn't mean as much as it used too. It's all about graphics in this next generation, and each on out.]
I dunno if you realize this, but Nintendo hasn't been hardware supreme, since the 90's and their last effort at it, the N64 saw them lose dominance of the market. They have been doing way better, working on weaker hardware. Getting the jump on the competition isn't a bad idea either. Having heavy hardware just isn't Nintendo, and I think it would kill them. They are not the Call of Duty, Gears of War people, they are the Mario, Smash Bros. people.
Back in the N64 days, I wouldn't say their hardware was that bad compared to Sony's. And SNES vs Genesis was good. The SNES had better graphics than the Genesis in a lot of cases, with more modes to play with, despite using a 65816 vs a MC68000 in the Genesis.
I dunno. I am happy that I can own a Nintendo console and play top-tier games for at least one year....
The N64 hardware minus the cart slot was superior to what the PS1 and Saturn did, it was the asinine carts and the high cost of ROMs that kicked their ass and that alone. Had they gone with the CD format even almost a year behind Sony they would have been doing some damn fine competition up against them and perhaps even got a bit ahead (I think it would have been a close battle like the 16bit era.) Gamecube wasn't weak either, actual output wise it as marginally the best, but again moron behavior with GB sized media vs DVDs and just the stigma from the N64 kicked their ass too. In both generations they got enough 3rd party support, and not the halfass kind the Wii got by any means.
I'm with enslaved though, the day systems go digital download I quit. I got a problem with not actually owning what I pay for and being at the whim of when they decided to stop having X game for download, turning the network off due to newer hardware, and so on. If DD existed in the 1980s the NES would have been wiped out in the mid90s and only those with systems that didn't eat it would be it, and no getting new games either...not cool.
Yep, no physical media is when I stop buying nearly any new games. Nowhere near $60 worth of game in ANY game out there without something to own and look at to me.
And yeah, 2rd party N64 support was great, they kept the N64 a float. Rare anybody? Man....that is probably the best system ever for exclusives.
My rule currently is $10 in general, but $15 is the absolute max and I really have to know it will be a game I love and would have zero ounce of regret going into it (which has been like just 1 or 2 cases in the last 2 years.)
Oh and N64 was a third party hole from late 97 into deep 99. Going in they had more T and M shit than PS1 did, and fantastic stuff like the iDgames (DOOM64, Hexen, Quake, etc) the MK games, and of course 2nd party Rare with Ki Gold and stuff. The problem was (and this I learned from my super at Midway a decade ago) Sony media put a slam campaign out to hurt Nintendo that worked like gold, the N64 kiddie box for the public, and in private talking about how infantile they were with censorship (using MK1 for one ignoring the sequels since) and their high costs of ROMS. It worked, media and companies ditched Nintendo almost cold, and it wasn't until later in 99 when Namco bedded down with NST for Ridge Racer and Capcom with Res Evil 2 and MM64(Legends) that it turned around but it was too little too damn late. Things got better on the GC as ported games if you read IGN etc reviews were the best on the GC in the play(unless you hated the pad or it was missing the 1 button PS2 had), audio, and visuals too...but it got lower scores in the end and shit on for no xboxlive Nintendo version going on. Nintendo got smoked by their own paranoia with shitty media formats they could control at the cost of size and pleasing third parties, and Sony destroying them in the media front.
Wii may be their highest moving hardware, but it came at the cost of having the best game:system ratio selling point, loss of third party games worth a crap, lies to release b-team trash, and being a gamers laughing stock of granny titles and other absurd junk. Wii may be a money maker, but game wise it is their largest failure outside of the Virtual Boy and that is sad. I think they realize it too so this new system will get them up to portability status so they don't get left out in the cold (same with going 1 friend code level per acct to ease network complaint bitching.)
Nope! GB/GBC is still far ahead, and the DS crushes them all. Wii+GB+N64 < DS.
Originally posted by: Tanooki
but it came at the cost of having the best game:system ratio selling point
Maybe you are referring to something else, but did you miss the numbers previously in this thread where the Wii wins on games sold per console?
Originally posted by: Tanooki
loss of third party games worth a crap
They are probably crap games but the Wii has more third party million sellers than either 360 or PS3 have total. Guess that's not too surprising because MS/Sony don't make many games, but it isn't like everything is Nintendo only.
I was speaking home units, but yes Gameboy/Color still is higher and DS blew it away between versions. And when I was talking of the ratio I meant the attach rate when people got the hardware as a lot were just casuals who would just screw with Wii Sports forever and maybe grab a Smarty Pants type game.
Yeah they are crap games, and yes they do have more million sellers due to volume for sure, but I was specifically targeting third party titles as few of them bother to try much at all. I just wish the Wii had turned out better in that respect as I hit a wall a year ago where I just stopped buying almost anything for it due to losing a ton of cash on false promise turds and even some of Nintendo's stuff like Kart and Brawl were pure shit compared to the last versions so I don't trust them anymore to deliver the goods entirely which is sad.
even some of Nintendo's stuff like Kart and Brawl were pure shit compared to the last versions so I don't trust them anymore to deliver the goods entirely which is sad.
Probably a different subject entirely to discuss, but I think people have same major rose-colored glasses with respect to Mario Kart.
The Wii release was better than any other version of the game I've seen. Going back and playing the original Mario Kart, I have no idea why we ever thought it was a good game. It's damn near unplayable by comparison to the modern standards of racing games.
It's a triple core IBM processor, basically 3x what was used in the gamecube. So it isn't going for raw performance power apparently. My guess it will be backwards compatible with Wii controllers, too. Since it will be backwards compatible with the Wii and it's obscure controllers, thats why I think that.
Since it's not going for raw power, the graphics processor is supposed the same one in my laptop. Mine is the portable version, and works darn good. But the desktop one better be in the console, because this thing isn't anything great.[The mobile version] It's very stable, though. I'd like to see what this can really do though...although it's already [severely] outdated.
If the Wii games aren't made by first/second party developers, they're not worth it. The 360 indie games section puts most 3rd part titles to shame!
Pinball Hall of Fame was one of the best $20-bills I threw down on games for the Wii.
Damn I totally agree with you on that. The flipper action using the two part controller and the ability to really shove the table just put its coolness on top of any other release out there. It also was my best $20 purchase that system ever had.
Not to dispute the dominance, but to be fair, I have both a wii and ps3 and I have those wii games (because as everyone knows, they are the only wii games worth getting) but not those PS3 games.. Basically, xbox and ps3 have to spread their game sales across several games people like whereas the wii has like 4 games worth getting in the library.
Doesn't say anything about console sales though
Edit: What I mean to say is:
I think total game sales would be a better indicator on the game side.
only wii games worth getting?????
Games not mentioned in that list
Zelda Twilight Princess Mario Galaxy Mario Galaxy 2 Punch Out Kirby Epic Yarn Smash Bros Brawl Resident EVil 4 (yes the wii port is better IMO) Wario Land Shake IT Metroid Other M Mario Super Sluggers Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles Donkey Kong Country Returns No More Heroes
There are several other titles solid for the system as well. 4 good games my ass.
I dont play this but apparently those Just Dance games are pretty damn popular
Yeah, in my opinion, the Wii definitely has more than 4 games that are worth getting. I think you should open yourself up to other games there, chief.
Regardless, Nintendo has got me pumped up for this new console. I do call BS with the screens in the controllers, for me, I can't see it happening. I think all these mock-up images are total crap as well. Some of them are pretty good for laughs, I saw one that had a screen built into the DK bongos.
I think the controller with the screen in it is a nifty idea, but not yet. But I like the idea somehow....It adds the ability to add buttons. That's a great thing. But as for it being in it, I also doubt it.
And that list has nearly no 3rd party titles in it. Why?
i could probably rattle off 10 games or so 3rd party that are good. My point also is what other system has that many good 1st party titles....Other than Gears of War and Halo what 1st party exclusives does 360 really have that are great? Nintendo has better 1st party, the rest have better 3rd party. Im not some Wii homer.....i hate motion controls. i wish theyd leave them completely out of games like donkey kong and super mario bros, but im sick of hearing how the wii has no good games.
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
I think Nintendo fir party titles aren't any better than 360. Only half way there at best. Multiplayer is the other half of the game!
well i work at a game store and i get to play pretty much every game. 360 and ps3 developers put zero time into campaign.....its all in the multiplayer. which i think is very crappy. I am so glad i didnt go out and spend 60 bucks for these games. I beat them all in less than 4 hours, and they are waaaaay to easy. They dont even try to make the single player any good. That equals crappy games if you ask me.
^That's not very honest of you, at least with Sony. I'd argue a LOT went into the campaign of various games their first party units work on with examples going into God of War series, Sly Cooper and Jack/Daxter titles, Uncharted, the upcoming Last Guardian from the Ico/SoTC makers, and various others. You're probably right though on the 360 front since they really do push their pay to play online service hard backing it with a lot of MP on the forefront type experiences but that really is just playing to the crowd on both systems.
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
You're the same arch_8ngel I zergling rushed 3 times in a row, then followed to an evolves match, and turned off allied settings, on? Sorry man, didn't know you'd still be bitter to this day.
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
The usually have a ladder system now, which helps a bunch to give you reasonable competition so you don't have to be the world champ to have fun online
^That's not very honest of you, at least with Sony. I'd argue a LOT went into the campaign of various games their first party units work on with examples going into God of War series, Sly Cooper and Jack/Daxter titles, Uncharted, the upcoming Last Guardian from the Ico/SoTC makers, and various others. You're probably right though on the 360 front since they really do push their pay to play online service hard backing it with a lot of MP on the forefront type experiences but that really is just playing to the crowd on both systems.
yes i was speaking more of 360 but the big titles lately have been 3rd party for both systems. PS3 def has better campaign games, and i dont know if id call God of War III a game of length, but if i can beat a game in one or two sittings, its too damn short. Lately it seems that everything is geared online and thats sad to me. Online shouldnt be half the game. It should be something extra added on for bonus after you play through. I hate it when i ask people what they thought of the game and they say they dont know because they only played the online. Seems like thats backwards to me.
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I dunno. I am happy that I can own a Nintendo console and play top-tier games for at least one year....
I'm with enslaved though, the day systems go digital download I quit. I got a problem with not actually owning what I pay for and being at the whim of when they decided to stop having X game for download, turning the network off due to newer hardware, and so on. If DD existed in the 1980s the NES would have been wiped out in the mid90s and only those with systems that didn't eat it would be it, and no getting new games either...not cool.
And yeah, 2rd party N64 support was great, they kept the N64 a float. Rare anybody? Man....that is probably the best system ever for exclusives.
Oh and N64 was a third party hole from late 97 into deep 99. Going in they had more T and M shit than PS1 did, and fantastic stuff like the iDgames (DOOM64, Hexen, Quake, etc) the MK games, and of course 2nd party Rare with Ki Gold and stuff. The problem was (and this I learned from my super at Midway a decade ago) Sony media put a slam campaign out to hurt Nintendo that worked like gold, the N64 kiddie box for the public, and in private talking about how infantile they were with censorship (using MK1 for one ignoring the sequels since) and their high costs of ROMS. It worked, media and companies ditched Nintendo almost cold, and it wasn't until later in 99 when Namco bedded down with NST for Ridge Racer and Capcom with Res Evil 2 and MM64(Legends) that it turned around but it was too little too damn late. Things got better on the GC as ported games if you read IGN etc reviews were the best on the GC in the play(unless you hated the pad or it was missing the 1 button PS2 had), audio, and visuals too...but it got lower scores in the end and shit on for no xboxlive Nintendo version going on. Nintendo got smoked by their own paranoia with shitty media formats they could control at the cost of size and pleasing third parties, and Sony destroying them in the media front.
Wii may be their highest moving hardware, but it came at the cost of having the best game:system ratio selling point, loss of third party games worth a crap, lies to release b-team trash, and being a gamers laughing stock of granny titles and other absurd junk. Wii may be a money maker, but game wise it is their largest failure outside of the Virtual Boy and that is sad. I think they realize it too so this new system will get them up to portability status so they don't get left out in the cold (same with going 1 friend code level per acct to ease network complaint bitching.)
Wii may be their highest moving hardware
Nope! GB/GBC is still far ahead, and the DS crushes them all. Wii+GB+N64 < DS.
but it came at the cost of having the best game:system ratio selling point
loss of third party games worth a crap
Yeah they are crap games, and yes they do have more million sellers due to volume for sure, but I was specifically targeting third party titles as few of them bother to try much at all. I just wish the Wii had turned out better in that respect as I hit a wall a year ago where I just stopped buying almost anything for it due to losing a ton of cash on false promise turds and even some of Nintendo's stuff like Kart and Brawl were pure shit compared to the last versions so I don't trust them anymore to deliver the goods entirely which is sad.
even some of Nintendo's stuff like Kart and Brawl were pure shit compared to the last versions so I don't trust them anymore to deliver the goods entirely which is sad.
Probably a different subject entirely to discuss, but I think people have same major rose-colored glasses with respect to Mario Kart.
The Wii release was better than any other version of the game I've seen. Going back and playing the original Mario Kart, I have no idea why we ever thought it was a good game. It's damn near unplayable by comparison to the modern standards of racing games.
If the Wii games aren't made by first/second party developers, they're not worth it. The 360 indie games section puts most 3rd part titles to shame!
Pinball Hall of Fame was one of the best $20-bills I threw down on games for the Wii.
The Neo Geo pack from SNK was worth it, too.
If the Wii games aren't made by first/second party developers, they're not worth it. The 360 indie games section puts most 3rd part titles to shame!
Pinball Hall of Fame was one of the best $20-bills I threw down on games for the Wii.
The Neo Geo pack from SNK was worth it, too.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=xbox+360+pinball+hall+of+fame&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=17046191450768058048&sa=X&ei=ywi2TffIDYuDtgf8jfHpDg&ved=0CC8Q8wIwAQ#
Since it's not going for raw power, the graphics processor is supposed the same one in my laptop. Mine is the portable version, and works darn good. But the desktop one better be in the console, because this thing isn't anything great.[The mobile version] It's very stable, though. I'd like to see what this can really do though...although it's already [severely] outdated.
If the Wii games aren't made by first/second party developers, they're not worth it. The 360 indie games section puts most 3rd part titles to shame!
Pinball Hall of Fame was one of the best $20-bills I threw down on games for the Wii.
Damn I totally agree with you on that. The flipper action using the two part controller and the ability to really shove the table just put its coolness on top of any other release out there. It also was my best $20 purchase that system ever had.
Not to dispute the dominance, but to be fair, I have both a wii and ps3 and I have those wii games (because as everyone knows, they are the only wii games worth getting) but not those PS3 games.. Basically, xbox and ps3 have to spread their game sales across several games people like whereas the wii has like 4 games worth getting in the library.
Doesn't say anything about console sales though
Edit: What I mean to say is:
I think total game sales would be a better indicator on the game side.
only wii games worth getting?????
Games not mentioned in that list
Zelda Twilight Princess
Mario Galaxy
Mario Galaxy 2
Punch Out
Kirby Epic Yarn
Smash Bros Brawl
Resident EVil 4 (yes the wii port is better IMO)
Wario Land Shake IT
Metroid Other M
Mario Super Sluggers
Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles
Donkey Kong Country Returns
No More Heroes
There are several other titles solid for the system as well. 4 good games my ass.
I dont play this but apparently those Just Dance games are pretty damn popular
Regardless, Nintendo has got me pumped up for this new console. I do call BS with the screens in the controllers, for me, I can't see it happening. I think all these mock-up images are total crap as well. Some of them are pretty good for laughs, I saw one that had a screen built into the DK bongos.
And that list has nearly no 3rd party titles in it. Why?
Multiplayer is the other half of the game!
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
I think Nintendo fir party titles aren't any better than 360. Only half way there at best. Multiplayer is the other half of the game!
well i work at a game store and i get to play pretty much every game. 360 and ps3 developers put zero time into campaign.....its all in the multiplayer. which i think is very crappy. I am so glad i didnt go out and spend 60 bucks for these games. I beat them all in less than 4 hours, and they are waaaaay to easy. They dont even try to make the single player any good. That equals crappy games if you ask me.
Multiplayer is the other half of the game!
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
You're the same arch_8ngel I zergling rushed 3 times in a row, then followed to an evolves match, and turned off allied settings, on? Sorry man, didn't know you'd still be bitter to this day.
Multiplayer is the other half of the game!
While I'm sure online multiplayer with friends is fun, playing with random people just serves to reinforce the notion that no matter how good you think you are, there's some loser living in his mom's basement playing the game 80 hours per week, and they will win (at least, that was the lesson I learned early on in the days of Battle.net )
The usually have a ladder system now, which helps a bunch to give you reasonable competition so
you don't have to be the world champ to have fun online
^That's not very honest of you, at least with Sony. I'd argue a LOT went into the campaign of various games their first party units work on with examples going into God of War series, Sly Cooper and Jack/Daxter titles, Uncharted, the upcoming Last Guardian from the Ico/SoTC makers, and various others. You're probably right though on the 360 front since they really do push their pay to play online service hard backing it with a lot of MP on the forefront type experiences but that really is just playing to the crowd on both systems.
yes i was speaking more of 360 but the big titles lately have been 3rd party for both systems. PS3 def has better campaign games, and i dont know if id call God of War III a game of length, but if i can beat a game in one or two sittings, its too damn short. Lately it seems that everything is geared online and thats sad to me. Online shouldnt be half the game. It should be something extra added on for bonus after you play through. I hate it when i ask people what they thought of the game and they say they dont know because they only played the online. Seems like thats backwards to me.