Need workable classic controller for Gamecube


Hi NA!,

I'm working on getting a record max-out run on Gameboy Tetris for TG/etc. TG rules are that it has to be on original gameboy/gameboy color/gameboy advance, or on the Gamecube Gameboy adapter. The SNES Super GameBoy isn't allowed because it runs slightly faster than original Gameboy (this would be a slight negative for Tetris actually, but oh well). I would record it on the Gameboy color I have, but that's pretty unfeasible due to lighting and the fact that my tapping on the thing while playing would give the poor viewers a seizure. It just doesn't come out right.

I now have the Gamecube and the GB adapter, but I've run into a problem.

The stock GC controller has a TERRIBLE d-pad. It's very small, it's very inaccurate, and basically it makes this run impossible, as it tends to go diagonal even when I'm trying to press straight left, right, or down. As you might imagine, this makes the run impossible.

So began a journey to try to find a controller I could use on the Gamecube with a decent d-pad. Ideally this would be the NES or SNES original controllers, so I ordered this :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KMWMOW

Which indeed works, but it has a fatal flaw for my purpose : lag. It lags enough to make it useless to me. It was a nice try, and not too expensive, but it failed me.

So now I don't know what to do. I've found some controllers listed on ebay that say they're for Wii, but look like they use the classic plug like the Gamecube. Like this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Classic-Video-Game-Controller-Nintendo-Wii-Remote-/150610849582?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item23111b2f2e

Unfortunately this has two problems. #1, I have no idea if it will even work on Gamecube. #2, for some weird reason EVERY_SINGLE_ONE of these listed is in Hong Kong, and the expected delivery date from there is ~1month+, which is insanely longer than I really want to wait. Especially if it's not going to work at all.

There are plenty of other controllers listed as 'Classic controller for Wii', but they all appear to have a different connector on them :

http://cgi.ebay.com/BLACK-Classic-Controller-Wii-Game-Remote-Control-02-/220763975707?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item33668ef01b

I don't have a Wii, but it looks like a little square connector rather than the rounded connector for the wii.

What do I do? Any ideas? Any experience trying to do something like this? I'm at a loss at present.

Thanks for reading NA!

Comments

  • You want a Hori controller. Looks and feels like the SNES controller.  It works great , I have one myself. Unfortunately they are a bit expensive nowadays, but I think it would be worth it for you.


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  • http://www.consolesandgadgets.com/catalog/hori-digital-controller-blue-p-1424.html?currency=USD



    I don't know if this is legit, but $30.


    ETA: Shit...nevermind, I see that it's on back order...
  • Originally posted by: B.A.

    Bunnyboy has these:

    http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&produ...

    It has the gamecube input





    Any idea if these have any appreciable lag? It looks great, but I'm worried now about adapters for NES/SNES controllers after my previous adapter turned out to produce lag

    It'd definitely be worth a shot though!

  • Originally posted by: Thor

    Originally posted by: B.A.

    Bunnyboy has these:

    http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_i...

    It has the gamecube input





    Any idea if these have any appreciable lag? It looks great, but I'm worried now about adapters for NES/SNES controllers after my previous adapter turned out to produce lag

    It'd definitely be worth a shot though!


    I haven't tried one, but it looks like Bunny is in chat now, you could hop in and ask him.

  • Yall rock!
  • Yes, I know my camera is terrible Anyhow, that's the guts of the 'gTron' thing.
  • Originally posted by: Thor

    Originally posted by: B.A.

    Bunnyboy has these:

    http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_i...

    It has the gamecube input





    Any idea if these have any appreciable lag? It looks great, but I'm worried now about adapters for NES/SNES controllers after my previous adapter turned out to produce lag

    It'd definitely be worth a shot though!


    I have one of his Gamecube to NES ports and there is no lag at all.  A very fine converter.  

  • I have 2 of the Hori GC controllers and they do indeed rock. At $130 they've been climbing in price of late. they were in the $80-$100 range.
  • Originally posted by: Aquanistic

    Originally posted by: Thor

    Originally posted by: B.A.

    Bunnyboy has these:

    http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_i...

    It has the gamecube input





    Any idea if these have any appreciable lag? It looks great, but I'm worried now about adapters for NES/SNES controllers after my previous adapter turned out to produce lag

    It'd definitely be worth a shot though!


    I have one of his Gamecube to NES ports and there is no lag at all.  A very fine converter.  



    Good to hear, I just bought one of each, so awesome. Really looking forward to their arrival.

    NA to the rescue! I love the hell out of you guys.

  • There's a hori gc on ebay right now with a few days to go. Looks like one went for $56 last week, so maybe you can get lucky on this one.



    http://cgi.ebay.com/Hori-Gamecube-controller-SNES-style-controller-body-/180674209336?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2a1105a638
  • I could use the RetroVision hardware to make a custom cart that only displays the Game Boy on the TV. You would still play on the GB screen but could record the TV one. Only problem is I don't know how long the cable between the GB and NES could be.
  • Damn TG and their damn goofy ass rules. Good luck finding the perfect controller and good luck with the record max-out run.
  • Originally posted by: gutsman004

    Damn TG and their damn goofy ass rules. Good luck finding the perfect controller and good luck with the record max-out run.



    Thanks

    Yeah apparently the Super GameBoy adapter runs about ~1% faster than a real Gameboy or the GC GB Player, which invalidates it as a certifiable platform for setting records. In reality I think it should only affect timed runs, as running slightly faster really makes everything slightly harder in real gaming. Imagine playing say gameboy contra and going for a scoring record, now imagine everything sped up 1%. If anything, it's more impressive to get that record while everything is moving slightly faster. Oh well, as soon as I get BunnyBoy's converter, I think I'll be set.

    I'm also shooting for the first SNES Tetris Maxout. The ultimate goal is to be the first player to max all forms of original Nintendo Classic Tetris, which is :

    NES Tetris

    SNES Tetris

    Gameboy Tetris

    As of yet there are 3 NES Maxout people. Zero official SNES or Gameboy maxouts, though there is a guy named Dan-Z that has done it on the Super GameBoy in unofficial fashion. Afaik, he hasn't maxed out the NES version though. The NES version is the hardest of the three to some degree, the Gameboy the easiest, and the SNES kind of an odd in-between. The piece movement and overall speed of the SNES version is ever so slightly milder than the NES version, so that reaching past level 29 isn't as epic. I hit level 31 on a casual game the other day at PSP's place, and that was the first time I've ever played the SNES version.

    I'll be streaming and taking videos

  • Came in to post Hori Controller, was pleased.
  • Originally posted by: Thor

    As of yet there are 3 NES Maxout people. Zero official SNES or Gameboy maxouts, though there is a guy named Dan-Z that has done it on the Super GameBoy in unofficial fashion. Afaik, he hasn't maxed out the NES version though. The NES version is the hardest of the three to some degree, the Gameboy the easiest, and the SNES kind of an odd in-between. The piece movement and overall speed of the SNES version is ever so slightly milder than the NES version, so that reaching past level 29 isn't as epic. I hit level 31 on a casual game the other day at PSP's place, and that was the first time I've ever played the SNES version.

    I'll be streaming and taking videos



    The Woz can supposedly max out GB Tetris, but it hasn't been validated with video evidence.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

    Originally posted by: Thor

    As of yet there are 3 NES Maxout people. Zero official SNES or Gameboy maxouts, though there is a guy named Dan-Z that has done it on the Super GameBoy in unofficial fashion. Afaik, he hasn't maxed out the NES version though. The NES version is the hardest of the three to some degree, the Gameboy the easiest, and the SNES kind of an odd in-between. The piece movement and overall speed of the SNES version is ever so slightly milder than the NES version, so that reaching past level 29 isn't as epic. I hit level 31 on a casual game the other day at PSP's place, and that was the first time I've ever played the SNES version.

    I'll be streaming and taking videos



    The Woz can supposedly max out GB Tetris, but it hasn't been validated with video evidence.



    That'd be awesome, and it would certainly be evidence of him being fairly good at tapping. I can't find anything about a maxout though All I can find with a vaguely specific score is this old interview from 2007 :

    http://pcworld.about.net/od/macs/Three-Minutes-With-Steve-Wozni.htm

    IDG: But again, do you have any unfulfilled dreams?

    Wozniak: To get 750,000 points on Game Boy "Tetris." [Laughs.]

    and an old TG-related post that shows ~500k level (back in 1998)

    http://nevalalee.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/you-are-a-tetris-master/twin-galaxies/

    Either way, hella cool, I hope to talk to him someday.

  • Got any electronic skills at all? You could build yourself an adaptor. Uses an atmega8 pic and a few minor components. Shouldn't be hard to do with masic skills.

    http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/x2wii/index_en.php
  • I have one that looks like a Pelican from the logo on it, in the same style as that Hori. The d-pad feels kinda like a genesis d-pad. I'm not sure if it's any good but I'll test it out and upload a pic tomorrow (yours for shipping if it turns out not to suck hehe).
  • What about using the tether cord for the GBA player to an SP? then you could use the SP as the controller?
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