Anyone think that mods can be a bit lock-happy?
In regards to: http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=55478
Yeah I figured it would get locked, after a few pages most likely. Here, the discussion was stopped before it was even started, even with NP4ever basically admitting to backdooring me. Stealing profit out of my pocket is just the same as scamming, and shouldn't be tolerated on NA.
It's pretty bad when I get messages from at least 3-4 people saying "Why was that locked?" or questioning what the hell happened.
There is no HOS, there is no scammers thread. The purpose of outing someone publicly is to protect the community. I waited until I had proof of his antics and then called him out, only for it to get shut before many people could even chime in.
I get that NA isn't the place for a lot of name-calling or negativity. But it shouldn't be the place for people who scam on eBay then lurk here, just because "what happens on eBay stays on eBay". A great portion of this community uses eBay so there's bound to be overlap.
Yeah I figured it would get locked, after a few pages most likely. Here, the discussion was stopped before it was even started, even with NP4ever basically admitting to backdooring me. Stealing profit out of my pocket is just the same as scamming, and shouldn't be tolerated on NA.
It's pretty bad when I get messages from at least 3-4 people saying "Why was that locked?" or questioning what the hell happened.
There is no HOS, there is no scammers thread. The purpose of outing someone publicly is to protect the community. I waited until I had proof of his antics and then called him out, only for it to get shut before many people could even chime in.
I get that NA isn't the place for a lot of name-calling or negativity. But it shouldn't be the place for people who scam on eBay then lurk here, just because "what happens on eBay stays on eBay". A great portion of this community uses eBay so there's bound to be overlap.
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I just message Benihana, locking it that quick and stating 'what happens on ebay' was pretty lame.
And BELIEVE the hype, Jonas is 100% correct about this guy. 100%
I agree about the quick locks, and whole heartedly agree with bringing back the hall of shame. I agree that we should keep a section with ebay related scammers as well. Otherwise someone like Pedro! might still be on the boards.
I think a good compromise would be having a HOS just for ebay stuff. When jonebone's thread was locked one of the reason's given was that "what goes onin the Ebay realm is not always the concern of NA". I kind of disagree with this statement. Like or not eBay is a large part of this hobby, even the NA prices guides are based on eBay sales data.
I don't mean any disrespect to the locking mod, I think Benihana is a great guy, and I understand his reasoning behind wanting to lock the thread to prevent it form getting too ugly. I just think that thread should have been allowed to run it's course a little bit first to see where it went.
First if it was brought back, there would need to be 2 separate Hall of Shames. One for Ebay, and one for NA.
Second, who's going to run it? Everyone wants to see it brought back, but noone wants to volunteer their time to run it.
Any volunteers?
I agree about the quick locks, and whole heartedly agree with bringing back the hall of shame. I agree that we should keep a section with ebay related scammers as well. Otherwise someone like Pedro! might still be on the boards.
I think a good compromise would be having a HOS just for ebay stuff. When jonebone's thread was locked one of the reason's given was that "what goes onin the Ebay realm is not always the concern of NA". I kind of disagree with this statement. Like or not eBay is a large part of this hobby, even the NA prices guides are based on eBay sales data.
I don't mean any disrespect to the locking mod, I think Benihana is a great guy, and I understand his reasoning behind wanting to lock the thread to prevent it form getting too ugly. I just think that thread should have been allowed to run it's course a little bit first to see where it went.
That is so amazingly true. If eBay is not the business of NA, then we should not have any price guides what so ever.
I understand that we do have collectors here who avoid eBay like the plague. I get that, and I respect that. But that's certainly the minority, and the majority of the community would benefit from knowing who to trust based on eBay ethics.
I agree about the quick locks, and whole heartedly agree with bringing back the hall of shame. I agree that we should keep a section with ebay related scammers as well. Otherwise someone like Pedro! might still be on the boards.
I think a good compromise would be having a HOS just for ebay stuff. When jonebone's thread was locked one of the reason's given was that "what goes onin the Ebay realm is not always the concern of NA". I kind of disagree with this statement. Like or not eBay is a large part of this hobby, even the NA prices guides are based on eBay sales data.
I don't mean any disrespect to the locking mod, I think Benihana is a great guy, and I understand his reasoning behind wanting to lock the thread to prevent it form getting too ugly. I just think that thread should have been allowed to run it's course a little bit first to see where it went.
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The mods will help you with Ebay transactions involving other NA or SA members. They helped me!
I just message Benihana, locking it that quick and stating 'what happens on ebay' was pretty lame.
And BELIEVE the hype, Jonas is 100% correct about this guy. 100%
I did the same as soon as I read the other thread.
Everyone wants the Hall of Shame back. Here's my take on that:
First if it was brought back, there would need to be 2 separate Hall of Shames. One for Ebay, and one for NA.
Second, who's going to run it? Everyone wants to see it brought back, but noone wants to volunteer their time to run it.
Any volunteers?
I'm not sure that I saw the problem of having one universal hall of shame.
I thought that was kind of the point... that nowhere was outside the reach.
I'm not sure that I saw the problem of having one universal hall of shame.
I thought that was kind of the point... that nowhere was outside the reach.
The problem is it gets too large and one person can't keep up with both the Ebay and NA HoS.
Hence why they should be split. It would be much much much easier for one person to maintain the NA HoS and another to maintain the Ebay HoS then one person trying to do both.
Everytime someone has tried to maintain both, they burn out and sometimes they burn out fast.
It really just needs to be a single page that's stickied. Give it a table, with a column for NA-usernames, a column for known-aliases, and a column for offenses.
Before, it was a pain-in-the-ass to handle because things were matters of debate and discussion. Some of the woulda-coulda-shoulda's went on for pages.
If it's a locked page, then the mods can simply add people as offenses occur.
People never come off the list.
The mod that adds somebody can simply append a post at the end of the thread stating who was just added, and why.
Seems pretty cut-and-dry, to me, since you guys already have to listen to the complaints anyway.
The lock was okay. We didn't want a shit storm between you too, which I know you can understand
We like to be up to par with a post of that caliber BEFORE it gets made. We are all about protecting our members here, both you and the involved party.
I think the facts speak for themselves in this instant and you have made a very valid point that this guy is a complete shithead and yes, people need to know this.
We have been working on a VERY objective HOS and it is near ready - we do not want it to turn into a he-said/she-said thread ever again as it breeds too much negativity and people end up saying mean things (guilty!).
I am sure most everyone here thinks we can be a bit "lock-happy", but it is and never has been our intent to cause anxiety or piss people off. We really are looking out for the good of the community. As much as the guy might be a scammar, this is the first any of us have heard about it. We have to treat everyone as equal until we know the situation and come to a realization of who is right and who is wrong.
I'd be pissed too, trust me, and I'd let everyone know. You didn't do anything wrong, we just need to make it easier for our members to voice frustration.
Hence why TWO threads would be best, especially given your scenario where the mods lock and unlock the topic.
We have to listen to NA complaints. I personally do not deal with disputes if it's regarding Ebay.
Hence why TWO threads would be best, especially given your scenario where the mods lock and unlock the topic.
I guess I fundamentally disagree with your opinion on this.
For it to be the most effective, it needs to be a universal thread, where all known aliases of offenders can be listed.
If it's one page, a person can go there, do a quick in-browser search, and see if anything pops up that should give them pause.
it is and never has been our intent to cause anxiety or piss people off. We really are looking out for the good of the community.
Yes you are and I hope my support of this thread does not indicate that I think Beni had any ill will. You guys do a thankless job.
Jonas,
The lock was okay. We didn't want a shit storm between you too, which I know you can understand
We like to be up to par with a post of that caliber BEFORE it gets made. We are all about protecting our members here, both you and the involved party.
I think the facts speak for themselves in this instant and you have made a very valid point that this guy is a complete shithead and yes, people need to know this.
Well I didn't know until the moment before posting that thread. Yeah I knew he was bad mouthing me to others, but what can I do? I know mods don't want to hear he-said she-said drama, and I don't want to be a part of it either. I just let it go at that point and told him off over PM thinking that was the end of it.
But then he crossed the line and interfered with a deal of mine. It's one thing to not like someone, it's quite another to try and backdoor them out of their deals. When I got confirmed proof that he did, enough was enough and I went public.
I think it's better for the public to know what's going on rather than have someone just mysteriously disappear. That way they can make their own decision on the situation.
Jone, have you ever back doored or attempted to back door a person before? If you can say honestly that you haven't then you didn't deserve it. Regardless of answer, what the guy is doing is pretty fucked up but do we really need a HoS section for backdoorers? If you list every person that attempted to back door or backdoored a person we might need another server.
Is this a serious post? No, I don't backdoor on completed deals. It's never been tolerated on NA for as long as I've been here.
Now making offers on a live item is a completely different story. Of course I've done that. Sadly, with certain "rare" items you almost have to these days... or you'll watch it magically get pulled without ever having a chance to bid.
*Shakes fist angrily at someone in this thread* Well not really, but damn I would have side-dealed on it too if I knew it'd be such a long drought between copies.
I'm all for bringing the HOS back. It was a very valuable asset on this site. It included exceptions like bad ebay sellers and all sorts of solid information to help members of this site.
I very much agree with this. I am currently having an issue with a member of this site who has screwed me twice and I am having trouble getting anything done about it.
The goal of NA should be to keep the collecting community informed in all aspects including those who seek to do others harm. I consider NA a part of my family and I don't want other family members crapping on any of us or taking advantage.
Personally I have bought a few items from jonebone and had a great experience with dealing with him. He has never hid the fact of where he has picked items up or what he paid for them so I do not feel that he has done anything wrong. I've bought items at a steal before and resold them for a profit and there isn't anything wrong with that. It's a service. It's wrong to have created a contract with someone by winning an item and then to have the individual turn around and cancel it because they think they could have gotten more after the fact. Seller's remorse is no excuse. I feel bad that other members of NA have taken advantage of people like jonebone and really hope that we can get the HOS fixed in a way that the mods can handle the complaints.
On a side note, I don't see anything wrong with a mod locking a thread due to things getting out of hand or violating rules on the forums. I've had a few of my threads locked and benihana has locked a few of them. I don't see anything wrong with that if I'm indeed violating one of the rules or if they are doing it to protect the members from a problem arising. Frankly, the mods are working very hard and doing this for free out of the love for NA. I don't think we should ever get mad at a mod for locking a thread, they are taking the brunt of a lot of agression for the purpose of helping the community. Sometimes we just have to bite our tongues and move on.
On a side note, that was pretty messed up and mean to do Nintendopower_4_ever
Everyone wants the Hall of Shame back. Here's my take on that:
First if it was brought back, there would need to be 2 separate Hall of Shames. One for Ebay, and one for NA.
Second, who's going to run it? Everyone wants to see it brought back, but no one wants to volunteer their time to run it.
Any volunteers?
Having been the person to run the Hall of Shame longer than any other member here, I would love to take back the responsibility of the HOS.
It was the most thankless job I've ever had, and after a few years I decided to pass the reigns. If I had known it would lead to the HOS being completely removed, I never would have given it up.
If someone runs the new Hall of Shame(s) and don't have the balls to out ANYONE who mistreats members of our community, regardless of where the wrongdoing occurs, they aren't fit to do it.
Everyone wants the Hall of Shame back. Here's my take on that:
First if it was brought back, there would need to be 2 separate Hall of Shames. One for Ebay, and one for NA.
Second, who's going to run it? Everyone wants to see it brought back, but noone wants to volunteer their time to run it.
Any volunteers?
So far there has been all sorts of clammor for a return, yet I don't see a single volunteer. The last person who took over the HOS lasted about a month before he disappeared.
It is a ton of very thankless work. That is also the main reason why we would want to split it up between NA and non-NA, to lesson the load of keeping it maintained.
Edit: Hey a volunteer!