Dusty tribute was awesome. I didn't know he was 69, which puts him in his 1989 WWE run at about 44 years old (wow). That package gave me goosebumps and Renee Young cried on-air. One of the most touching moments in a WWE broadcast ever.
Enjoyed the PPV even though they totally botched the booking of the main event. Ambrose should have been stretchered out with the narrative being Rollins has a mean streak and can win definitively on his own. Instead, they had Ambrose revive himself and get back up the ladder. Incredibly stupid booking and goes in line with what JR is saying... the lack of selling is killing the business. It's getting to the point where people have to ask what will it take to hold someone down? I'm also not a fan of the kick out of people's finishers spot. We see it in multiple matches too often, and it's getting annoying.
Cena's AA makes sense though since it looks weak and always has.
But yeah, it's annoying and we're seeing it way too often. Should be reserved for Wrestlemania only and MAYBE Summerslam (bigger events where "athletes reach down deeper than normal")
Owens and cena do it again, what great chemistry and what a great match
Dude their match was bitchin! I'm more of a casual fan now but I turned on MITB on a whim and that match was incredibly entertaining. I was very surprised to see the moveset that Cena and Owens were using. That crowd was jacked!
Owens vs Cena was great no doubt although Cena totally missed the Stunner and Owens had to sell it anyways... Always hate that, there should be a contingency more than just King saying well it looks like that was only about half power or something along those lines.
Surprised no one has mentioned Kofi taking that power bomb, although not so hard onto the ladder. Then getting Neville power bombed onto his back on top of the ladder. That had to hurt big time, not like he was on his stomach to catch him.
Also looked like Paige actually nailed Brea in the mouth big time with that last kick, notice how she was covering her lips the whole way out to the curtain and then Nikki grabbed her hand and she looked like she had a mouth full of blood and they almost instantly cut away from her and never showed her again. Stupid that they couldn't play up a Diva being tough instead of just hot.
The Diva's match was THE single-most ridiculous use of booking/logic I have ever seen in any match, EVER.
Someone please explain to me HOW the ref:
1. Noticed it was Brie instead of Nikki
2. Rang the bell, signifying the match was over
3. NOT call a DQ right there
And wait for it - my absolute favorite part of the whole night:
4. Continue the match without ever having the bell re-ring to signify it starting over, and then continue to count the pin after ALL of the above happened.
By this logic, are all titles now 24/7 Hardcore rules?
Owens/Cena was match of the night for me. Main event was a let down, despite the sweet spots. MiTB match was a joke IMHO; everyone was out of the ring and it was a one-on-one between X and Y for 85% of the match. Add to that another Bray interference (which he'll get absolutely crushed by Reigns for at SS I'm assuming), and a Lame-Us victory = WTF happened here. I feel like MiTB is the chance for them to really have big pay offs with match endings and feuds; it's like every single PPV now we get some lame set up for the next one. This truly felt like a throwaway PPV (minus a few key spots, and the Cena/Owens match) rather than one of the company's staples!
Mitb match wasn't that bad, I agree it was 1 on 1 which is fucking stupid, but there were some great hype spots in that match.
The main event was fun, Rollins and Ambrose deff had better showings against each other and the end made me pretty sad, Ambrose in the ring without the title was upsetting. Jesus though, the end of that match? Rollins fucking killed Ambrose, that dood took some brutal spots, that second power bomb was intense
Divas match wasn't that bad until the reatrded booking at the end, who's fucking call was that? Has that person ever booked wrestling befor or know the rules to a match?
MiTB had some of the best spots of the night for sure, I just wished they had more people going at it at once in the ring. I hate how they book it like they did, it's so redundant lmao.
Page calls spots louder than Cena; I heard her several times over the announce team lol: "Ready...? Ready...? 1...2...3..." OH AND A GREAT KICK FROM PAIGE!, lmao.
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Run ins are the absolute worst thing in wrestling, and it happens on just about every single raw and smackdown and ppv, garbage booking
I guess what I was trying to get at was, that when wrestlers came to the ring they didnt just come down to pummel who ever was in the ring. They came down to take care of whom ever had come down before him to interfere, stuff like that. Now days, its way too common that a wrestler or diva holds on to a championship waaaaay too long. I guess I just miss the old school ways of wrestling.
PS I must give credit to both John Cena and Keven Owens, they put on a really good match, besides the over use of their finishers. It called a finisher for a reason....
It's sad when the part of WWE anymore is the surprise returns of someone. When the rock showed up in Brooklyn I got goosebumps and rewound it to watch it three times. If SCSA starts coming around to hype the Texas Wrestlemania next year the pop would blow the roof off a place when the glass breaking sound que'd up!
I guess what I was trying to get at was, that when wrestlers came to the ring they didnt just come down to pummel who ever was in the ring. They came down to take care of whom ever had come down before him to interfere, stuff like that. Now days, its way too common that a wrestler or diva holds on to a championship waaaaay too long. I guess I just miss the old school ways of wrestling.
PS I must give credit to both John Cena and Keven Owens, they put on a really good match, besides the over use of their finishers. It called a finisher for a reason....
True enough, but if you notice matches don't go on as long as they used to. ADD I think nowadays. It's all about how fast do we get to the setup calls for the finisher and then the finisher. Matches don't go on and on like Macho Man and Dragon Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3 anymore. That's why a match like Cena Owens was so awesome. Hell I thought Ryback was gonna pin Bigshow in 15 seconds last night. Hit him with meat hook upon entering ring, got him up for shell shock, he'll I thought it was done. Although I gotta admit I loved Ryback actually suplexing Show even if you could see Show jump up for him. Was still rare to see Show straight up in the air like that.
Wrestlers in wwe don't hold onto belts long at all lol I have no idea what you are talkkg about. Are you referring to the hardcore title where it would change nightly? Having a long good title run is the essence of a great champion
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Not to start a quote wall...but I agree with you. The chaos makes it interesting. However, the WWE doesn't see it that way and really never has. Hence why in the Rumble, half of the participants are just sitting in the corner faking being injured or being lackadaisically faced into the turnbuckle by another sideline participant while the main action takes place in the middle between 2-4 guys. They want the focal point to be the center of the ring with a couple of guys at a time. I'm not saying I like it either, but it's the way it is.
Yeah my dad always complains during Rumble and PPV's about the fakers laying around the whole time. It's the thing he hates the most.
But hell even in Braveheart if you look in the background in the monster battle scenes you can see the guys totally faking it. Can't have the cameras on everyone at all times and have it all look great. Still can't get over the powerbombs onto the ladder. Or poor Neville getting RKO'd from the top of the ladder.
Yeah, when Orton started RKO'ing people and then saw Neville climbing the ladder.... called it out "Another RKO!"
@wesofthedead - Not necessarily a good champion. The champ is whomever Vince wants a champ. Me personally I dont care for Seth as champ. It feels like alot of time has passed because they have so many PPV's now. That yes Seth has been champ for less than a year since Wrestlemainia but since Wrestlemainia they've had what feels like 2 years worth of PPV's. There isnt really any substanial build up between them because they are so close together, I know recently we had 3 PPVs in 30 days give or take a week?
HA, no doubt, as a WWE Network subscriber it's cool. But since I put on a party with food and drinks for each one and there were 3 all within 5 weeks time my G/F was like that's enough. She was cool with 1 per month, but not 1 every 2 weeks. Glad Battleground is 5 weeks out. Hopefully some buildup and a good setup for SummerSlam!
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
It seems to me that they pander too much these days, or don't even attempt to make it look like it is happening naturally. I mean, I may be wrong here, but everything here makes me think that peopel are expecting genuinely unexpected things to happen. As long as people eat it up, it'll fly.
I think they should go back to simpler times, where one wrestler doesnt like another wrestler (insert reason here) and then have the babyface fight up the ranks, to become number one contender. All be it the feud cant go from Raw on Monday then fight at the PPV on the following Sunday, and boom move on. I cant stand when they do that. Meaning feuds only last a month or two and whomever they are giving the push to gets the strap.
And I wished my friends were into wrestling, LOL they all dont care for it. And well its just me and my wife that like it, so its like a little party all too ourselves and well the dogs. lol
I think they should go back to simpler times, where one wrestler doesnt like another wrestler (insert reason here) and then have the babyface fight up the ranks, to become number one contender. All be it the feud cant go from Raw on Monday then fight at the PPV on the following Sunday, and boom move on. I cant stand when they do that. Meaning feuds only last a month or two and whomever they are giving the push to gets the strap.
They probably do not want to repeat the same thing over and over, not that there is that much they can do these days, haha. All be it?
Yeah, when Orton started RKO'ing people and then saw Neville climbing the ladder.... called it out "Another RKO!"
@wesofthedead - Not necessarily a good champion. The champ is whomever Vince wants a champ. Me personally I dont care for Seth as champ. It feels like alot of time has passed because they have so many PPV's now. That yes Seth has been champ for less than a year since Wrestlemainia but since Wrestlemainia they've had what feels like 2 years worth of PPV's. There isnt really any substanial build up between them because they are so close together, I know recently we had 3 PPVs in 30 days give or take a week?
I could totally agree with cutting the ppvs, we keep getting more and more. Seth's title reign has been a hirt as hell though, and yea it's been lackluster, they basically turned him into a sniveling little shit who can't get it done, but when he was in the shield we always got it done. I hate what they have done with him
Wow, Raw was pretty crazy. No Cena. Brock is back, and taking on Rollins for the next PPV, and Owens-Ziggler was an amazing match. Plus Owens powerbombed MGK off the stage in a HOLY SH!T moment. Very surreal.
In regard to the neville RKO, when I saw they were both in the match my first though was the one spot I wanted to see would be Neville go up for a red arrow and have orton catch him into and RKO, granted stupidly dangerous spot that requires perfect timing.
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Enjoyed the PPV even though they totally botched the booking of the main event. Ambrose should have been stretchered out with the narrative being Rollins has a mean streak and can win definitively on his own. Instead, they had Ambrose revive himself and get back up the ladder. Incredibly stupid booking and goes in line with what JR is saying... the lack of selling is killing the business. It's getting to the point where people have to ask what will it take to hold someone down? I'm also not a fan of the kick out of people's finishers spot. We see it in multiple matches too often, and it's getting annoying.
Cena's AA makes sense though since it looks weak and always has.
But yeah, it's annoying and we're seeing it way too often. Should be reserved for Wrestlemania only and MAYBE Summerslam (bigger events where "athletes reach down deeper than normal")
Owens and cena do it again, what great chemistry and what a great match
Dude their match was bitchin! I'm more of a casual fan now but I turned on MITB on a whim and that match was incredibly entertaining. I was very surprised to see the moveset that Cena and Owens were using. That crowd was jacked!
Surprised no one has mentioned Kofi taking that power bomb, although not so hard onto the ladder. Then getting Neville power bombed onto his back on top of the ladder. That had to hurt big time, not like he was on his stomach to catch him.
Also looked like Paige actually nailed Brea in the mouth big time with that last kick, notice how she was covering her lips the whole way out to the curtain and then Nikki grabbed her hand and she looked like she had a mouth full of blood and they almost instantly cut away from her and never showed her again. Stupid that they couldn't play up a Diva being tough instead of just hot.
Someone please explain to me HOW the ref:
1. Noticed it was Brie instead of Nikki
2. Rang the bell, signifying the match was over
3. NOT call a DQ right there
And wait for it - my absolute favorite part of the whole night:
4. Continue the match without ever having the bell re-ring to signify it starting over, and then continue to count the pin after ALL of the above happened.
By this logic, are all titles now 24/7 Hardcore rules?
Owens/Cena was match of the night for me. Main event was a let down, despite the sweet spots. MiTB match was a joke IMHO; everyone was out of the ring and it was a one-on-one between X and Y for 85% of the match. Add to that another Bray interference (which he'll get absolutely crushed by Reigns for at SS I'm assuming), and a Lame-Us victory = WTF happened here. I feel like MiTB is the chance for them to really have big pay offs with match endings and feuds; it's like every single PPV now we get some lame set up for the next one. This truly felt like a throwaway PPV (minus a few key spots, and the Cena/Owens match) rather than one of the company's staples!
The main event was fun, Rollins and Ambrose deff had better showings against each other and the end made me pretty sad, Ambrose in the ring without the title was upsetting. Jesus though, the end of that match? Rollins fucking killed Ambrose, that dood took some brutal spots, that second power bomb was intense
Divas match wasn't that bad until the reatrded booking at the end, who's fucking call was that? Has that person ever booked wrestling befor or know the rules to a match?
Page calls spots louder than Cena; I heard her several times over the announce team lol: "Ready...? Ready...? 1...2...3..." OH AND A GREAT KICK FROM PAIGE!, lmao.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
Originally posted by: GamingEsquire
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Originally posted by: GamingEsquire
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Run ins are the absolute worst thing in wrestling, and it happens on just about every single raw and smackdown and ppv, garbage booking
PS I must give credit to both John Cena and Keven Owens, they put on a really good match, besides the over use of their finishers. It called a finisher for a reason....
I guess what I was trying to get at was, that when wrestlers came to the ring they didnt just come down to pummel who ever was in the ring. They came down to take care of whom ever had come down before him to interfere, stuff like that. Now days, its way too common that a wrestler or diva holds on to a championship waaaaay too long. I guess I just miss the old school ways of wrestling.
PS I must give credit to both John Cena and Keven Owens, they put on a really good match, besides the over use of their finishers. It called a finisher for a reason....
True enough, but if you notice matches don't go on as long as they used to. ADD I think nowadays. It's all about how fast do we get to the setup calls for the finisher and then the finisher. Matches don't go on and on like Macho Man and Dragon Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3 anymore. That's why a match like Cena Owens was so awesome. Hell I thought Ryback was gonna pin Bigshow in 15 seconds last night. Hit him with meat hook upon entering ring, got him up for shell shock, he'll I thought it was done. Although I gotta admit I loved Ryback actually suplexing Show even if you could see Show jump up for him. Was still rare to see Show straight up in the air like that.
Originally posted by: sokignano
Originally posted by: GamingEsquire
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
Not to start a quote wall...but I agree with you. The chaos makes it interesting. However, the WWE doesn't see it that way and really never has. Hence why in the Rumble, half of the participants are just sitting in the corner faking being injured or being lackadaisically faced into the turnbuckle by another sideline participant while the main action takes place in the middle between 2-4 guys. They want the focal point to be the center of the ring with a couple of guys at a time. I'm not saying I like it either, but it's the way it is.
But hell even in Braveheart if you look in the background in the monster battle scenes you can see the guys totally faking it. Can't have the cameras on everyone at all times and have it all look great. Still can't get over the powerbombs onto the ladder. Or poor Neville getting RKO'd from the top of the ladder.
@wesofthedead - Not necessarily a good champion. The champ is whomever Vince wants a champ. Me personally I dont care for Seth as champ. It feels like alot of time has passed because they have so many PPV's now. That yes Seth has been champ for less than a year since Wrestlemainia but since Wrestlemainia they've had what feels like 2 years worth of PPV's. There isnt really any substanial build up between them because they are so close together, I know recently we had 3 PPVs in 30 days give or take a week?
Originally posted by: sokignano
Originally posted by: GamingEsquire
Any time you have a multi-party match, 3/4 of it is spent with half the guys inexplicably incapacitated outside of the ring so that two of the guys can be showcased in ring. I don't agree with it, but it's done that way to kind of keep the chaos at bay.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night, but I'll be watching on the network tonight. I look forward to the Dusty tribute. As I said earlier, he was my favorite wrestler. His work on the mic was incredible, and he had a charisma that no one could explain or duplicate. Plus, that damned elbow man....I miss the days when finishers were something like an elbow or a drop kick...and when those moves were hit...you weren't getting up. Times have changed though. Oh for the "good old days."
But thats what we want; Chaos and excitement. Not sectioned off enviroment were two combatants cant safely punch each other in the face till its the next two guys turns to duke it out. I miss the old school battle royals and the days were wrestlers ran out to the rind unannounced like they do today. For me it was more exillerating to see a wrestler come out of the back suddenly with no ring music and either help or hinder the babyface in the ring.
It seems to me that they pander too much these days, or don't even attempt to make it look like it is happening naturally. I mean, I may be wrong here, but everything here makes me think that peopel are expecting genuinely unexpected things to happen. As long as people eat it up, it'll fly.
Originally posted by: sokignano
I think they should go back to simpler times, where one wrestler doesnt like another wrestler (insert reason here) and then have the babyface fight up the ranks, to become number one contender. All be it the feud cant go from Raw on Monday then fight at the PPV on the following Sunday, and boom move on. I cant stand when they do that. Meaning feuds only last a month or two and whomever they are giving the push to gets the strap.
They probably do not want to repeat the same thing over and over, not that there is that much they can do these days, haha. All be it?
Yeah, when Orton started RKO'ing people and then saw Neville climbing the ladder.... called it out "Another RKO!"
@wesofthedead - Not necessarily a good champion. The champ is whomever Vince wants a champ. Me personally I dont care for Seth as champ. It feels like alot of time has passed because they have so many PPV's now. That yes Seth has been champ for less than a year since Wrestlemainia but since Wrestlemainia they've had what feels like 2 years worth of PPV's. There isnt really any substanial build up between them because they are so close together, I know recently we had 3 PPVs in 30 days give or take a week?
I could totally agree with cutting the ppvs, we keep getting more and more. Seth's title reign has been a hirt as hell though, and yea it's been lackluster, they basically turned him into a sniveling little shit who can't get it done, but when he was in the shield we always got it done. I hate what they have done with him
Owens was great. Obvious he had to job. Also:
Lol and with his million concussions it's not looking too good for brie